Dr. Joey Fever
I always hesitate to claim that a rumor is close to happening, but I've been surprised that the A's hadn't moved Joe Blanton yet. So it doesn't come as a surprise that now that Johan Santana is off the market and the choice of free agent pitchers left consist of Kyle Lohse and Livan Hernandez, the market for Joe Blanton's services appear to have picked up again.
It would be interesting that the Reds would want Blanton because they'd already scored nicely with Aaron Harang a few years ago and they have a few different prospects who are right on the verge of making a nice impact at the pro level.
I just recently got John Sickels' 2008 Prospect Book (the best in the business if you ask me, but I might be a bit biased). And Votto and Cueto are graded out as A- in the book and Bailey is a B+. For a baseline of how hard Sickels grades prospects, none of the A's prospects that they got in any of the deals earned anything above a B+. And while many have claimed that Beane should look away from another first baseman, my opinion is that if you can get a talent like Votto, you have to do it. Votto has a ton of power and that is one thing that Barton may or may not consistently show. I'm probably one of the few here who believes in acquiring talent based on how good they can be, not necessarily on organizational positional needs. Especially if the A's could move the talent for something else.
At the same time, if the A's could get Cueto AND Votto, then you have to pull the trigger on the deal. Even if that means a truly abysmal 2008. Cueto is an A- in Sickels' book and this sentence from the portion about Cueto is all I need to know about him to know that I would love to have him.
My one concern about Cueto after reading about him is that he's listed at 5'11" and Sickels says that he appears smaller than that. And having been through Tim Hudson's oblique issues and Rich Harden's various different ailments, a smaller power pitcher makes me nervous.
Ken Rosenthal speculates that the Twins and Rays might be the other destinations interested in Blanton, but the Twins don't seem to make much sense right now since they seem to be moving in the same direction the A's are. The Rays would make sense since they have a few left-handed pitchers who grade out as straight A's according to Sickels. They've also needed an established, veteran starting pitcher in their staff since...well, forever.
Any way, it will be interesting to see how long Joe lasts. I still think it makes sense to keep him for now, but if the A's get a great deal for him, you might as well go the distance with the rebuild.
Finally, this will likely be my last post before the brand new Athletics Nation debuts next week. I'm really excited for all of our users to get their hands on it. It's going to add a ton of functionality to the mix and AN gets to be the first community to take the new platform for a test drive. I'm really excited that this community will be the lucky ones to see what we've essentially spent the last year building.
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Not to the NL, please
I just drafted him in an AL only league!!
by ChuckBudd on Feb 7, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to get BB's hands ...
into the Rays' cookie jar. Would Brignac and Jennings be possible?
If Votto were younger, I wouldn't mind his position as much. Given that he's MLB ready right now, though, it's hard to see how it makes sense.
by devo on Feb 7, 2008 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think people may be overrating Jennings
based on his having one good season. I'm not buying into the hype yet.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Given that he's only had one full season
in the minors, that's a pretty damn good ratio.
He doesn't strike out much. He controls the strike zone well, hits for a reasonable amount of power and is among the fastest guys around.
What's not to like?
According to Baseball America, his only real weaknesses are that he gets poor jumps on the basepath and in the outfield. Goldstein echoes that. Sickels' only concern is his throwing arm.
There's no question that he has the tools. He only has one year of performance to back that up ... but there's no real chance of avoiding that with a guy who was only drafted a year and a half ago.
He's young -- which means there's plenty of time for something to go wrong -- but it also means that the sky is the limit and he hasn't become untouchable yet.
by devo on Feb 7, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was picked in the 10th round
Given that it was the D-Rays, I'm guessing that he wasn't exactly paid first-round money.
What changed in two years? Did all the scouts just cock up their evaluations?
I'm not willing to treat a 10th rounder as a top prospect based on a year and a half of intriguing, but statistically unspectacular, ball.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was picked in the 10th round ...
because he was a football player.
He's not just a guy with one and a half years of intriguing, but statically unspectacular, ball. He's a guy with one and a half years of intriguing, but statically unspectacular, ball and crazy good tools.
He wasn't drafted higher not for lack of performance but for lack of visibility.
by devo on Feb 7, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he wasn't very good at football...
since he didn't get a scholarship offer.
At least he didn't pretend he did and hold a fake press conference...
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
worst thing ever
by flipgatey3 on Feb 7, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings
He was signed to play football for Alabama and it took a $150K signing bonus, the equivlent of 6th round money, to get him to forgo college.
by grover on Feb 7, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I absolutely love this site.
At least 15-20 people who know an absolutely insane amount about baseball - I mean like a "should be making $100K a year to talk/write/analyze about this" level of knowledge.
Not to mention another few hundred people who, as a collective group, have a terrific broad base of general intelligence and knowledge to share, which I greatly appreciate.
Well done G. It says a lot about your knowledge that somebody can bring up a random minor leaguer a lot of us haven't heard of and you have enough knowledge to rattle off the equivalent of the Ace Ventura "soccer style kicker" speech.
Somebody brought up "Jennings" and I thought I'd have to look him up; instead the 3-4 of you gave a better synopsis than I'd find in an hour of looking.
Well played!
by notsellingjeans on Feb 7, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i know peter jennings is canadian
by xbhaskarx on Feb 8, 2008 1:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
But the real credit should go to my referrence material.
by grover on Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The A's signed another scout:
Google.
by gdub171 on Feb 8, 2008 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm
OK, now I'm REALLY confused.
How did he get drafted twice out of high school? I assumed he went to a community college in the meantime.
I don't see how you could turn down a scholarship offer at Alabama unless you've already got an offer in hand... if you ARE getting recruited there, it means you're an NFL prospect.
Also, aren't there some players who play college FB and pro baseball at the same time? I feel like one of the Oregon football players is also a minor league baseball player.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Community College = Yes
And there are some college FB players who also play pro baseball but they tend to be few and far between. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head. Now-a-days teams tend to buy out players talented enough to do both.
by grover on Feb 8, 2008 5:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Recent example
Cubbies prospect/former Notre Dame WR Jeff Samardzija was drafted in 2006 and played in SS-ball that summer. He went back to ND for his Senior year and played football.
by grover on Feb 8, 2008 6:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Dixon
Played Rookie ball for the Braves last year then returned to Oregon.
by train80 on Feb 8, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet we would get lower level prospects as
I believe we are pretty maxed out for our 40 man roster. Of course BB could let some go.
I would love to see us get 3B, SS and 2B prospects who would be ready in a couple years.
by Eastbayjim on Feb 7, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trading Blanton clears one spot...
so my current hypothetical trade would be Blanton for Cueto and a PTBNL which later turns out to be either Todd Frazier or Neftali Soto (both looked good last year, but can't be traded yet) and maybe one other low-level guy.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who do the Reds value more?
After Bailey's comand problems and lackluster professional debut he seems to have slipped a little bit. I wonder if Cueto has passed him in the Reds eyes. I agree that the most likely deal is Cueto/Bailey (who ever the Reds value less) and probably Frazier as a PTBNL with some C+, B- prospects to round it out.
by DiegoAsFan on Feb 7, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm in
if it's cueto/frazier. toss in someone else too and i'm ecstatic.
by flipgatey3 on Feb 7, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the Twins' direction ...
... seems, while not 180 degrees the opposite of the A's, at least to be oriented in a slightly different direction. Sure, they let Santana walk, but they just extended Morneau and Cuddyer (the latter far less explicably than the former), seem to be interested in extending Nathan (again, questionable), and got 4 near-MLB-ready guys from the Mets.
(It could be, instead, that the A's are moving in the Twins' direction -- with the Twins ahead of the A's timeline due to the proximity of their new stadium.)
Pitching -- in particular, a #3 workhorse type like Blanton -- isn't really their most pressing need. But, if they were to follow a Blez-esque strategy of moving some more of their young pitching for offense, Blanton could fit into their plans.
(This all, of course, disregards the fact that they have a tough battle trying to leapfrog the Tigers and the Indians.)
by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blanton
As much as I like Joe Blanton, I wouldn't mind seeing him traded if the deal was appealing enough. I'm not sure what the Reds have in their minor leagues as far as 2b/ss/3b prospects are concerned. These areas seem to be the most desperately needed at the moment. I know Tampa Bay has Reid Brignac, but i'm not sure if they would be willing to part with much of their young talent. As far as the Joe Blanton to the Twins angle, i'm not really buying into this one. It appears that the Reds are the best match-up.
by OrlandoAsFan on Feb 7, 2008 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully a good deal
I feel pretty confident that if a deal for Blanton is made before the season it will result in a pretty big haul for us. From past rumors it's pretty obvious that Beane places a high value on Blanton. I don't think that about a week before spring training Beane decided to drop the price to get our projected #1 starter out the door. If Blanton talks are picking up for real I would bet that it is other teams that are starting to move their offers up to match Blanton's high price tag.
by DiegoAsFan on Feb 7, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Reds...
make so much sense for so many reasons.
For one thing, politically, the Reds can do a deal with Beane with utter confidence that it will be looked on favorably by the majority of fans, for two important reasons:
Because the Reds have four elite prospects - Bruce, Votto, Homer Bailey, and Cueto - the A's can "spare" the Reds their top three in negotiations and make Krivsky look good, because he got the best starter available and didn't give up his perceived top three.
When, in reality, Cueto is the guy Beane and Forst would prefer to have over all of them. (Cueto is the most accomplished statistically of that group).
That makes it a perfect match for both teams. Add in the fact that the Reds are less gun-shy of Beane than several other organizations because of how well Harang has turned out. (My point being, the Reds certainly don't think of Beane as a snake oil salesman).
Any chance that the A's would be interested in Jeff Keppinger? To me, he's the epitome of a Moneyball guy (I mean DePo's definition, not the "slow/fat/OBP" definition). If the Reds aren't booking him to be their starting SS, he becomes what Cust is to DHs and Hannahan was to 3b - the best neglected player out there at his position.
Keep in mind the A's collect those.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 7, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Career .300 hitter in the majors AND minors and he can't find a job at middle infield?
The guy must be unwatchably bad on defense.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
i never understood why no one will give keppinger a chance...
by flipgatey3 on Feb 7, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
According to RZR
he was approximately as good as NL Gold Glove winner Jimmy Rollins at shortstop last season.
And had an OPS+ of 123. (Rollins's was 118.)
Huh. Is Alex Gonzalez really a better option here?
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
the guy can hit, plain and simple. he can play ss, 2b and 3b, and if i remember right, the mets played him in right for a few games a couple years back. he's a good player.
by flipgatey3 on Feb 7, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ther perception when he was with the Mets
was that he's not a SS. True? Who knows?
That's why he was played all over the place. He was seen as Joe McEwing, mark 2.
The caveat with those RZRs are that they came in a fairly small sample.
by rfloh on Feb 9, 2008 1:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Can you send me an email?
blez - at - athletics nation-dot-com.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Feb 7, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sent you 387 emails real quick.
They all just say "hi" though.
Not what you were looking for?
by mikev on Feb 8, 2008 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blanton to Red Sox?
Maybe the Red Sox will be interested in Blanton now that they may have to replace Schilling.
one of these guys: Lowrie, Ellsbury, Bucholz (sp), Lester & Mid-range prospect?
by athleticsBB4life on Feb 7, 2008 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately,
this means we will inevitably be subjected to a dozen "Crisp for Blanton + Embree??" posts on every national website...
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that trade's ridiculous
It would take at least Blanton + Embree + Street.
by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget Buchholz - too good
Untouchable, methinks.
by Nico on Feb 7, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
If the A's got Cueto AND Votto I'd crap my pants. I mean I won't completely rule it out because, hey, it's Wayne Krivsky, but at the same time Cueto and Votto for Joe Blanton is about as much of a dream as any scenario can be.
by walk off bunt on Feb 7, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What about Queto and Votto for Blanton/Barton?
by asfan777 on Feb 7, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems pointless
I suggest Cueto/Votto for Blanton/Duchscherer. The Reds need pitching.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about George / Kuato?
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Start the reactor, Quaid!
by OaklandInvader on Feb 7, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent movie reference!
"Come on, Cohaagen! You got what you want. Give those people air!" <Arnold Schwarzenegger voice optional>
by franks a lot on Feb 8, 2008 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even AN is being rebuilt.... is nothing sacred?
by asfan777 on Feb 7, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can we trade...
The old AN site for a PTBNL?
by gdub171 on Feb 7, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re
Cueto, Belisle, and Stubbs...buff up Belisle for a year (components will play well in the Coliseum) and then swap him out.
by 31Boots on Feb 7, 2008 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cueto and Votto
That ain't gonna happen, the A's would have to think themselves thankful just to get one or the other. Also, in the rumor article from Cincy it mentions the Dodgers as possible suitors for Blanton. I think that is farfetched. The Dodgers don't need another starting pitcher.
vr, Xei
by xeifrank on Feb 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They will need another pitcher sooner than later
Schmidt and Loaiza are penciled into the rotation currently.
by mikev on Feb 7, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sooner or later
If Schmidt and Loaiza go down we can cross that bridge when it happens. Even if it did happen, let's see what other options are there. First off Schmidt/Loaiza is pencilled in as the 5th starter, there are four others ahead of them.
Billz
Penny
Lowe
Kuroda
Schmidt/Loaiza
If the Schmidt/Loaiza monster gets beheaded then the Dodgers still have the options of...
Guo
Stults
Meloan
Kershaw
Even if they lose two pitchers, they don't need Blanton. Not from the standpoint that they would give up any talent for him. Now, if they lost three starting pitchers you MIGHT be on to something, which makes the Dodgers probably one of the least likely matches for Blanton, unless LA is trading one of their starters for him, which is also unlikely.
Carry on!
vr, Xei
by xeifrank on Feb 7, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone on minorleagueball
claims to have a concrete source telling him that the Dodgers are talking trade.
Take your skepticism up with him.
by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because a guy on the internet
talks to a sidewalk about trades doesn't give it credibility ;)
by DMOAS on Feb 7, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
brilliant!
by CrackBaby on Feb 7, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blanton is a "veteran arm" compared to the last 4
What is the likeliness that 'ol Ned and Joe Torre decide that it's not prudent to go with a rookie starter to make a playoff run?
by mikev on Feb 8, 2008 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
obligatory self-promotion
A WKRP reference in a post about trading Blanton?
2007 Poetic Interlude #20: Big Blanton
2007 Poetic Interlude #15: CANCELLED
by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2008 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if the Reds wouldn't deal Bailey or Cueto plus
Votto for Bedard, I doubt they'd do it for Blanton. (But is for some reason they would that sounds like a good deal.)
There's no reason to trade Blanton at this time unless Beane can get a good haul for him.
by OaklandSi on Feb 8, 2008 5:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's incorrect, sir
The Reds were willing to deal either Bailey or Cueto plus Votto for Bedard but the Orioles wanted BOTH pitchers PLUS Votto. Of course, the birds originally wanted Bruce but I think they backed off that stance.
by grover on Feb 8, 2008 5:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not that Jocketty listens to the blogger fans
but it seems that they're pretty insistent that it's way too much for Blanton.
I certainly could remember the Bedard to Reds story wrongly. I do recall that the Orioles wanted Jay Bruce.
by OaklandSi on Feb 8, 2008 7:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds Blog - John Fay
John Fay is an idiot. He is the Reds beat writer for Cincy. I would have to guess one of his comps would be Ray Ratto.
Keppy (Keppinger) would actually be a good 3rd player to a Cueto-Blanton deal. Plus, Cueto would fit well in the A's new timeline. FYI, Frazier is not going to stick at SS by all reports, but Soto probably will if there is any consideration in that regard. The A's have been stocking up on SP and Matt Maloney is another guy that they could really consider, if the Reds would as well. Actually, a player that is not listed high on any prospect list, but could be at least an interesting 5th player from Cincy is Daryl Thompson. Plus, the Reds could always use bullpen help... even though they just signed Mercker...
So:
Johnny Cueto
Jeff Keppinger
Matt Maloney
Daryl Thompson
PTBNL (when eligible - Neftali Soto)
for
Joe Blanton
Alan Embree
The Reds just are not focused on obtaining a hitter. There is a reason Wayne Krivsky traded Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez other than their pending bloated arby salaries: They needed bullpen help. Sure, they got Francisco Cordero, but they still need help and getting a quality bullpen guy and starter is just what they need.
It is totally unrealistic to think the Reds would trade Jay Bruce. Similarly, it is unrealistic that the Reds would trade 2 of their extremely high top 4 prospects. They are top heavy in that regard and if they were to trade 2 of them... they should be getting a SP better than Blanton, cheap and all. Throwing a 1B like DJ for basically Votto is silly. Blanton going to GABP and the NL negates any league effects. Well... anyway, that is just my 2 cents.
by bjk15 on Feb 9, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More international signings for the A's
According to the team page on scout.com, the A's spent $350k for a 17 year old CF prospect and also signed four other prospects.
I don't recall the A's ever being this active in procuring Latin American prospects. It's certainly promising...
by franks a lot on Feb 8, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
how active were the A's in the 1990's
when they had the A's baseball camp in the DR, and (among other players) signed Tejada?
by OaklandSi on Feb 8, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada is from the DR?
I thought he was from Nebraska.
by franks a lot on Feb 8, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
other sites really trash blanton
its pretty comical, actually. people whose teams are interested in trading for him see him as, at best, a #3/4 pitcher in the NL. hysterical. blanton isn't flashy, but may actually have been more consistent than haren last year (i actually don't think this is true, but a valid argument could be made). at worst, i'd see him as a great #3 and probably a #2 or even a lower #1 in the NL. i get that people don't think he's an ace, but they just drop him an extra rotation spot or two with no real reason. put blanton in the NL, i'd bet you'd get 200+ IP, a sub-4.00 ERA and a WHIP around 1.3. plus he's gonna be cheap for a few more seasons. AND he's basically the last good pitcher out there. if we trade him, he's gonna fetch us quite a bit.
by guy incognito on Feb 8, 2008 10:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You think he'd get worse in the NL?
230 ip, 3.95 era, 1.22 WHIP last year.
by devo on Feb 8, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
i was saying those numbers as a general ballpark of what i think he'd do in the NL, worst-case scenario. personally, i realistically would expect blanton to post a sub-3.50 ERA, throw at least 220 IP, and have a 1.15-1.20 WHIP. those are FAR from numbers people expect from #3/4 starters, which a bunch of people somehow think blanton is. put blanton in the NL, you'll get a legit #2 and maybe even a #1.
by guy incognito on Feb 8, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why I'm looking forward to the Blanton trade
- Team that much closer to being renamed the "Oakland Rivercats" for the duration of the 2008-09 seasons. I don’t think anyone denies just how awesome that would be.
- Lenny DiNardo set to make history by becoming the first man ever to leap from unreliable fifth starter to staff ace from one season to the next without, you know, getting noticeably better or anything.
- Oakland may be getting someone named "Homer Bailey" in the trade, who, apparently, is a professional athlete and not a Kansas pig farmer.
- The expression "innings-eater" no longer to be heard on Oakland broadcasts.
- Oddball NL rules will lead to Joe Blanton running the bases every fifth day. I can’t wait.
That said, I love Joe Blanton with all my heart and soul, and will always look fondly back on the days when the deli guy from Safeway took off his smock to play professional baseball in Oakland.
by CurveballKing on Feb 8, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome post! hilarious!
The Deli guy from Safeway! Hah! I agree with you and I second it.
by A'sfansince1970 on Feb 8, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard trade finalized...
soCupcakes is the last remaining MLB-quality SP on the market. That alone could raise his value a smidge. Basically, the market has been set with the Santana and Bedard deals. Blanton is not an ace like Santana or potential ace like Bedard, but he would be a solid #2 for a good NL club. His numbers might jump in CIN, because it's a launching pad, but he is so dependable and durable--he's just what they need.
CINis the ideal trading partner--they have a loaded farm system and are oozing solid prospects. We throw Joe a bone by basically sending him home (Kentucky is just across the river). If we get Votto in the deal, that's fine--you can never have too many guys who can swing the bat, regardless of position. If there's a logjam later, we can trade a stick for an arm--when's the last time we were in that position? Bailey looks great, so does Cueto. BB will be like a kid in a candy store with Cincy's potentially outstanding AAA crew.
I really hope this deal goes down, and soon. What a great offseason for BB, the A's, and all A's fans. Basically, we shipped players who in the best of all possible worlds were only going to help us finish 8 games back in '08 and '09, and in return we are getting the cream of AZ, CHW, and CIN's farm systems. BB will reaffirm with the next rebirth that he is the best in the business, and I really think he will be hoisting a WS trophy within maybe 5 years. Good luck, Joe, thanks for the memories (and gobs of innings), and GO A's!
by kitoko on Feb 8, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There'd be a logjam now ...
Votto is MLB ready, right now.
by devo on Feb 8, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Johnson could be the key to this deal.....
I know it sounds crazy....... but adding Johnson to the deal who would be a safe bet to produce 25 hr's in the reds ball park, and produce a good OBP, would make it easier for the reds to include votto in the deal...
As Well, people are forgetting, or don't know, that Votto could also be a capable corner OFer- which would put Gonzalez in CF and Buck in LF.....
Blanton & Johnson for Cueto, Votto, and a third throw in prospect would not be so far fetched then because Blanton is a player who could serve as there number 2 for them this year in their pursuit of the playoffs- and a strong number 2/3 innings eater long-term. Cueto's ceiling is as a strong number 2 long-term but there is definatly some uncertainty in that and he could turn out to be better suited as a closer.....
No one can dispute that Votto's ceiling is higher than Johnson's. However, Johnson has more power potential than Votto, he's only average in that regard, and while he wont hit for an average nearly as high as Votto, he would post an OBP that is not too far off from Votto... and is only 4 yrs older
There is potential that the reds give up players that are better in the future than what they are getting... but if you go by the a buck is more valuable today than a buck in the future philosophy, and also factor in that they are in poss. there best position to make the playoffs in yrs but also have a lot of uncertainty 3-5 in the rotation.... this deal is very plausible....
by DeMatha on Feb 8, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If DJ
never improves, ie he continues to play like he did the last 2 years in the majors, he is basically a Josh Phelps, Russ Branyan type.
Josh Phelps signed a minor league deal with the Cardinals. Branyan is till an FA.
Despite all the talk of team valuing OBP, 1b / DH who hit like league average batters, and who have little defensive value, are not "name" players, are still disdained by teams.
by rfloh on Feb 9, 2008 2:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Make this happen please
Blanton + DJ
for
Bailey, Votto, Keppinger, and Frazier (as a PTBNL)
thanks Billy.
by mikev on Feb 8, 2008 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not bad
This doesn't sound like a bad deal, but what if we were to setup a trade like this:
Reds get:
Blanton
D. Johnson
Braden/Windsor/Komine
Athletics get:
Cueto
Votto
Keppinger
Frazier
We could play Daric Barton at 1st base, and have Votto as the DH. This would make Jack Cust expendable, allowing us to sell high on him.
Does this sound like a reasonable trade to you guys? If so, what could we possibly get back in a Cust trade? I would assume that he would be most appealing to another AL team.
by OrlandoAsFan on Feb 9, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not reasonable
Think about this trade in reverse for just a second: sure, Blanton coming to the A's in their park is a good matchup, but would you want DJ to split time with Hatte as your 1B versus Votto who could play right now?
I mean, that would be like trading Barton (if you knew that Barton could mash consistently), Gio, (for arguments sake: Jack Hannahan), and Joshua R Horton except Horton would have been a 1st rounder who might be MLB-ready in 2009 and was rated the top prospect by BA in the short-season Pioneer league.
and the A's would get Blanton, DJ, and Braden/Windsor/Komine
I don't think you would be that excited.
by bjk15 on Feb 9, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok so.....
What about if you were to subtract Johnson and Votto from the proposed trade. Does that seem more reasonable?
by OrlandoAsFan on Feb 9, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
as I had replied above, the A's could get a couple of more useful players, I would think, if they added a bullpen guy like Embree:
Keppy (Keppinger) would actually be a good 3rd player to a Cueto-Blanton deal. Plus, Cueto would fit well in the A's new timeline. FYI, Frazier is not going to stick at SS by all reports, but Soto probably will if there is any consideration in that regard. The A's have been stocking up on SP and Matt Maloney is another guy that they could really consider, if the Reds would as well. Actually, a player that is not listed high on any prospect list, but could be at least an interesting 5th player from Cincy is Daryl Thompson. Plus, the Reds could always use bullpen help... even though they just signed Mercker... why? I dunno.
So:
Johnny Cueto
Jeff Keppinger
Matt Maloney
Daryl Thompson
PTBNL (when eligible - Neftali Soto)
for
Joe Blanton
Alan Embree
The Reds just are not focused on obtaining a hitter. There is a reason Wayne Krivsky traded Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez other than their pending bloated arby salaries: They needed bullpen help. Sure, they got Francisco Cordero, but they still need help and getting a quality bullpen guy and starter is just what they need.
It is totally unrealistic to think the Reds would trade Jay Bruce. Similarly, it is unrealistic that the Reds would trade 2 of their extremely high top 4 prospects. They are top heavy in that regard and if they were to trade 2 of them... they should be getting a SP better than Blanton, cheap and all.
I mean, let's be honest, Blanton is a #3 pitcher. Yes, his ERA is nice, his WHIP is good, but his ability to strikeout a guy just is not there. His career K/9 is 5.2 (last year was 5.5). He obviously is a good player, but when it comes down to it, I would want a guy who can strike a guy out when needed. Blanton going to GABP and the NL negates any league effects. McAfee had a 3 yr park effect (for runs) average of 0.939 versus 1.125 for GABP. An AL to NL transition just is not as strong when going between these two places. Well... anyway, that is just my 2 cents.
by bjk15 on Feb 10, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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