A Bigger Issue?
For the past several seasons, AN, the A's and everyone around the team has focused very clearly on the injury issues. Rightfully so. The injuries have derailed a team that could've had potential to be very good for a while.
Everyone has said that the A's needed to revamp their medical staff and procedures to try and stop the issues from repeating year in and year out. And they were right. Beane did that, but he also made the drastic move of essentially getting all new players (if the Kotsay deal is finalized sometime today as expected I also expect Huston Street to be dealt soon after).
I would argue that at least as important as the injury problems to the decision to completely rebuild and possibly more important was the A's lack of good minor league prospects. The A's drafting process and the proposal to try and make it better came to prominence in Moneyball, but the A's have not had great drafts at all. They've found the occasional gem that has been able to make a quick leap to the pros and have an impact. Nick Swisher, Huston Street and Joe Blanton are a few that come to mind. Yet there have been way too many Cliff Pennington's and Richie Robnett's. Guys who were high draft picks given a lot of money who haven't come close to panning out.
I would say that has to be an area of grave concern to Billy Beane as he's trading away the few successful players that the A's have drafted to try and restock a barren system. That should be an area that the Oakland A's focus on extensively. Yes, they've had Ethier and used him to get Milton Bradley and Travis Buck is turning into a great pick as well. I'm not saying that the A's scouting and drafting department hasn't done a good job. That's not it at all. They just need to be better than the other teams out there in order for the A's to remain a viable and competitive franchise. The A's rely on getting a player like Bobby Crosby to replace a Tejada when he leaves for a greener wallet (Crosby is another one who hasn't worked out as expected thus far). And if it doesn't work out, you wind up with a team that can't compete with Yankees West down here in Anaheim.
So while Beane is in the process of reviewing nearly everything organizationally, he might as well look at their drafting and evaluation process. The A's must be better than the other teams out there and yet the Angels are constantly restocking their system nicely. It's a trend that absolutely must change. Having a higher pick in the 08 draft should help, but if the A's don't want to be in a similar situation again in three or four years, then their drafting must consistently be excellent. Now before everyone jumps on me saying that the A's have Cahill and have drafted and developed a lot of the talent they're now dealing away, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that in order for the A's to continue to be excellent down the road, the A's should dedicate a ton of resources to making sure their drafting department is one of the best in baseball. For a small market, it is what will ultimately mean success. Or failure.
0 recs |
57
comments
Read Related
Comments
the a's need to spend more money
on their draft picks.
by xbhaskarx on Jan 14, 2008 1:07 PM PST 0 recs
I've made it fairly clear
that I don't agree with the sentiment that the A's drafting in the past has been bad. (I'm getting mixed messages from Blez's post here as to where he rates the A's past several drafts vis a vis the average team.) I think it just hasn't been "enough better" than other teams to compensate for their financial advantages (and, in some cases, their pick-order advantages-- see Rays, Tampa).
I do, however, heartily agree with the sentiment that the A's should devote a ton of resources to drafting talent. The "draft by computer" philosophy seems mildly ridiculous at this point-- there's still a major role for the minor-league scout, especially at the high-school level.
And there's the rub. I don't think Oakland is really in a position to pay over-slot for bonuses; I would like them to, but I don't see it happening as a realistic possibility. But there's no rule against hiring extra scouts. Double the scouting coverage and you double the number of opinions on players. It's the convergence of opinion and objective analysis that produces the best candidates.
I'd like to see the A's do exactly that-- commit to doubling team expenditure in all areas of the minor-league system (except for signing bonuses in the draft). If you're watching a guy's game, watch a full weekend series instead. Signing 2 Latin American prospects? Sign 4. Overseas academies in 3 nations? Make it 6.
A side note on over-slot bonuses (somewhat off-topic): After the 10th round of the draft (if not earlier), the A's should immediately start drafting the best available player in every round. Regardless of whether he's going to sign or not. Why? Because even if he doesn't sign, picking him will keep other teams' hands off of him. For HS picks, it'll knock him out of the draft for three entire years.
There's no excuse for Lars Anderson to make it to the 18th round without a team spending a pick to block him. The odds of a typical 11th rounder working out are minimal at best. Far better to keep a first-round talent pick out of enemy hands-- and available down the road.
by PaulThomas on Jan 14, 2008 1:24 PM PST 0 recs
Agreed on (nearly) all counts.
Until actual real penalties for paying over slot are instituted, I say pick the best player you can get with every pick you have and pay the money to sign them -- to a point, of course. Porcello's money was pretty crazy last season, but if that could be signed without being a major league contract I think that's the sort of thing that money should be spent on.
by mikev on
Jan 14, 2008 1:41 PM PST
up
0 recs
The A's will/should never be the Yanks/Tigers...
in terms of offering absurd over-slot bonuses for draft picks, but I think a little extra here and there, maybe on a risky but potentially high-yield draft pick might be a nice way to supplement a more low-risk draft pool.
Two names I think fit into this category in recent seasons are Justin Smoak and Gary Brown. The Smoak Incident has been discussed ad naseum I know, but he was a unique talent that was only going to be available to the A's and in the 16th round for that one year in 2005 before having to sit out several drafts due to league rules. If the A's offered him 100-grand initially, and he wanted a million don't you think a compromise could be made in the 750K range..just throwing out figures out there, but spending an extra 500K on a risky pick makes sense to me. Ditto for Gary Brown, he seemed like a real high-risk, high-reward talent in this year's draft in the 12th round.
If the A's only did this once every draft or so, and only in the later rounds, then I don't think it would even really draw the ire of Selig and Co. since it will be somewhat isolated and likely not in the Yankees range of 2-3+ million bonuses for 29th overall picks!
by Taj Adib on
Jan 14, 2008 1:45 PM PST
up
0 recs
Not to beat the Smoak Incident to death more...
but didn't Beane flat out say that when he talked to Smoak, there was no intention of signing whatsoever and Smoak was 100% committed to going to school?
I could have sworn that was an interview that Blez did.
by mikev on
Jan 14, 2008 1:52 PM PST
up
0 recs
Found it.
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story...
They never even made an offer because Smoak was committed to school.
by mikev on
Jan 14, 2008 1:53 PM PST
up
0 recs
Interesting.
Still seems like Smoak had a certain number in mind. We'll never know what it was, but I still think paying a little extra for a high risk/high reward type has its merits.
by Taj Adib on
Jan 14, 2008 2:02 PM PST
up
0 recs
Probably a crazy high number
that everybody knew wouldn't be met.
The kid wanted to go to school. No big deal.
I just wish that we would have lost 10 more games last season so that we could pick him again :(
by mikev on
Jan 14, 2008 2:07 PM PST
up
0 recs
I guess you take the best player available...
but first base hardly seems like an area of need right now.
by PaulThomas on
Jan 14, 2008 2:59 PM PST
up
0 recs
Problem solved?
Don't you then have the separate problem of "not having a catcher who can actually catch the ball"?
I'm pretty sure that if the team felt there was any chance of getting Barton's offense into the catcher's spot in the lineup, he'd still be there.
by PaulThomas on
Jan 14, 2008 3:41 PM PST
up
0 recs
But do keep
Jessica Alba in.
by alox on
Jan 14, 2008 4:29 PM PST
up
0 recs
But no Derek Jeter
nor any of his leavings.
by iglew on
Jan 14, 2008 5:14 PM PST
up
0 recs
increasing the raw number of scouts might help,
but i don't think more opinions are as valuable as more information.
in short, gobs and gobs of video. now you might have to double your scouts anyway just to sift through all that info, but that's real advantage. of course there are logistical obstacles (mainly, recruiting that much manpower to get quality video) but it would be worth attempting at least on a small scale.
by rebus on
Jan 14, 2008 2:26 PM PST
up
0 recs
Blez,
ultimately the Wolffster will have to open up the bank to sign some quality players via trade or free agency. If the playoffs can be a crapshoot, then so can a boat load of B+ prospects. No one knows how these players BB acquired will eventually pan out. If they wind up being the same prospects from the Hudson trade, this team is screwed for years to come.
by sf drift king on Jan 14, 2008 1:24 PM PST 0 recs
Blanton Update
Not sure how trusted, but "a source" expects him to remain with the A's.
by ET90210 on Jan 14, 2008 1:39 PM PST 0 recs
doesn't "an A's source"
= Forst or Beane?
by rebus on
Jan 14, 2008 2:01 PM PST
up
0 recs
New Direction
My main concern is that when do the A's invest in a team they field? Rebuilding from the ground up doesn't always work when you could enhance the process by adding to your core players at the major league level.
This current restocking again sticks it to the fans (since 1968) who stay with the franchise. Wolf and company needs to invest in major league players at some point and quit the constant savings on contracts. A's have had weak drafts during Beanes tenure so why do we think this process of rebuilding using the same guidelines for young players will work any better?
by Morada Mudshark on Jan 14, 2008 1:47 PM PST 0 recs
Depends a lot on team's revenue
Say you can spend $1 million on maybe 3-5 prospects, and 1 of them pay off, you basically get 1 good player for $1 million, but there is a chance that none of them can play, and leaving you with a hole on the team.
You can also go out and fill a team with proven major league players, but they will likely cost you $3-5 million each, say $4 million average.
Say you need to fill out a 25 man roster, so you are looking to spend $25 mil to fill a team with young guys with a chance to compete, or spend $100 mil on a team with more certainty to compete.
On a small market team, where the profit margin is small, the difference between $25 and $100 mil payroll could be huge. If you pay $100 million to players, the team will lose money for sure. Even if your $100 million team wins the world series, the club still loses $. So the club has to take a chance on the $25 million team because they have to. the $100 mil team is not an option.
On a large market team, where the profit margin is much higher, they make $ even if they field a $100 million team. In Yankee's case they probably make hundreds of millions, so the $75 million payroll difference is not that significant. Why take the extra chance with the $25 mil team when you don't have to?
by asfansince1989 on
Jan 14, 2008 4:25 PM PST
up
0 recs
Quality > Quantity
My other team, the Reds, are considered to have one of the better farm systems. They got it right on a couple drafts in a row, but only with 1 pick, ending up with Votto (2nd round '02), Bruce (1st '05), Bailey (1st '04)at the top of their drafts. But there isn't much else in those drafts - Denorfia is the best player from any draft between '01-05 other than those 3. Their other top talent came from a non-drafted free agent (Cueto).
I'm starting to wonder if 'playing it safe' is the way to go, or if it isn't time to start playing for the higher ceiling players as we've seen in the offseason moves.
I'd like to see a couple international non-draft FA signings looking for high-ceiling players, and the much-discussed paying over slot draft picks.
by JJ on Jan 14, 2008 1:59 PM PST 0 recs
A's Draft History
The A's have been all over the map on their recent Amateur draft picks. The A's have historically been hit & miss. Does anyone remember the A's drafting the 4 Aces back in 1990? Ariel Prieto? The A's have also lost their First Round Pick for signing of all people, Mike Magnante. The A's have also drafted Mark McGwire, Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, etc. Just about every team in every professional Sport has drafted someone that didn't pan out. When it happens to a middle of the pack payroll team like the A's the repercussions are serious.
Looking back at the A's draft history, IMO, one of the best Scouting Director's the A's ever had working for them was Grady Fuson. I believe his staff made a few astute picks. The A's can start off by keeping their scouts happy & rewarding those who have success. Oakland needs to be the type of organization that quality Scouts & talent evaluators want to work for. Cutting corners & paying hamburger wages is not going to work.
Overall, every corner of the baseball world has been mined searching for that diamond in the rough. Baseball Academy's etc are everywhere. When you look at the draft position the A's have held, with the exception of Ariel Prieto, the picks have been quality. Mark Mulder was a # 2 overall pick.
There have been discussions on holding a world wide amateur Baseball Draft. This would be of immense help to the A's. Right now when it comes to signing undrafted & free-agent foreign players, the odds are in favor of the money teams. The A's are also following slot $ as per Bud's & MLB's suggestion. I would have taken a few more dollars & signed a player like Justin Smoak. Just my opinions.
by alpine26 on Jan 14, 2008 2:16 PM PST 0 recs
You couldn't have said it better
Van Poppel is an excellent example of the risk you take when paying big bucks to sign draft picks. This is particularly true for high school kids. DePodesta was quoted in 2004 that it was extremely difficult to predict what a 17 year old will do in six years facing very high quality competition.
by jarforcefatherofforce on
Jan 14, 2008 6:38 PM PST
up
0 recs
The 4 Aces & other tidbits
The 4 Aces were generally thought of as the future staff of the A's. It was unfortunate that mainly due to injuries, Todd Van Poppel, Don Peters, David Zancanaro & Kirk Dressendorfer didn't pan out. Dressendorfer was all-world at the University of Texas. He was lights out. He was basically overused at Texas. It is important to note that the stigma that short-statured right handers are more likely to not succeed was influenced & reinforced by the selections of Peters & Dressendorfer. It is also important to note that our own Huddy, truly broke that stigma.
I believe J.P. Riccardi, at the time a mere cross-checking scout, played a big role in their selections. The 1st Round of the 1990 Amateur Draft produced some quality players that included Chipper Jones at # 1 & Mike Mussina at # 20.
In general, between 1986 through 1996, the A's 1st round Draft picks were mediocre. Change for the better occurred when Billy Beane became more of a force within the A's front office, & when the A's held a better draft position in specific drafts.
2002 was an important year that really blew up for the A's. Drafting Jeremy Brown at # 35 , Ben Fritz, etc was a huge mistake. To have 7 picks in the top 50? & to only really have Nick Swisher make the perceived grade, caused a brutal backlash in the A's farm system.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The toughest draft to predict in all of professional sports is the Amateur Baseball Draft.
by alpine26 on
Jan 14, 2008 11:56 PM PST
up
0 recs
What Am I Thinking.
Joe Blanton was drafted in 2002 at # 26. It was & is a fantastic pick. It's late. My thinking is clouded by the guys who haven't made an impression.
by alpine26 on
Jan 15, 2008 12:04 AM PST
up
0 recs
What Am I Thinking X2
Blanton was # 24. John McCurdy was # 26. Actually Mark Teahan can also be considered a success. He made it.
by alpine26 on
Jan 15, 2008 12:08 AM PST
up
0 recs
on one minor point ...
... a significant part of the stigma against wee power righties was/is that they would break down under the physical strain of generating a lot of torque without adequate strength and mass.
Huddy's oblique problems didn't exactly contradict that theory, n'est ce pas?
by monkeyball on
Jan 15, 2008 10:47 AM PST
up
0 recs
Great point!
I remember watching the Indians Redsox series, the commentators were commenting on how much scouting the Indians do in Latin America. The end result is that they have a crop of good young players, with the same payroll as the A's, they have built a team that can contend now, and for years down the line. International scouting is more expensive, but even if it costs $500K to scout a top prospect for a year, and only 1/3 of your top prospects eventually contribute, that still only costs $1.5 mil to get a good player that the club has control over for 3-5 years, peanuts comparing to free agency.
by asfansince1989 on
Jan 14, 2008 4:13 PM PST
up
0 recs
Beanes draft picks
Mulder, Zito, Hudson, McGwire, Giambi, Tejada were all drafted before Billy's tenure.
by Morada Mudshark on
Jan 14, 2008 7:47 PM PST
up
0 recs
Not correct
Mulder was drafted in 1998, Zito in 1999. Alderson left after the 1997 season.
Also, Tejada wasn't drafted.
by PaulThomas on
Jan 14, 2008 8:48 PM PST
up
0 recs
And, where was Beane working prior to 1997?
I assume he was assistant GM to Alderson before bing promoted to GM.
by Donner on
Jan 15, 2008 11:54 AM PST
up
0 recs
Tim Foley says Hello.
How is the Muli-level Marketing Business now these days?
by alpine26 on Jan 14, 2008 2:28 PM PST 0 recs
A's draft history
I tend to agree with PaulThomas that the best thing the A's can do is start to shift more resources back to traditional scouting. In the recent years it seems draft resources have gone more to statistical analysis rather than hands on scouting. The stat work has been good but I think more hands on analysis needs to be mixed in.
I think the A's get bashed a little too hard for their drafts because even Callis had to admit at BA that as far as first-round and sandwich picks go the A's have done better than average over the last few years, especially when you consider where they have been picking. The problem is that we're not finding the occasional gem in the late rounds or from international signing. This combined with our many recent promotions has lead to a very thin minor league system.
by DiegoAsFan on Jan 14, 2008 2:32 PM PST 0 recs
What kind of hands on analysis do you suggest?
You can look at a guy and see he has all the tools. Does that predict success? The answer is no. The A's use stats that are not even available to us. Even then when your highest pick in late in the first round it is difficult to recognize an elite player.
Do we know that the A's are not putting enough staff and competitive salaries into scouting?
by jarforcefatherofforce on
Jan 14, 2008 6:48 PM PST
up
0 recs
Rich Harden 17th round
Yes, injury plagued. But, we have seen that he has the skills.
by Donner on
Jan 15, 2008 11:56 AM PST
up
0 recs
You are so wrong, Blez
The problem is Oakland does not commit enough financially towards their draft picks, they don't go over-slot recommendation. The A's have done a pretty good job of converting their 1st round picks into starting caliber players in recent years but what your essentially asking is that they be perfect in order to compete with the AL powers.
Let's look at some of the stronger AL farm systems and how they acquired their talent.
2008 top 10 lists via BA
Bold print = over-slot signing/trade acquisition
Red Sox
#1 Clay Buchholz (Sup 1st, 2005)
#2 Jacoby Ellsbury (1st, 2005)
#3 Lars Anderson (18th, 2006 Signed for $825K)
#4 Justin Masterson (2nd, 2006)
#5 Jed Lowrie (Sup 1st, 2005)
#6 Ryan Kalish (9th, 2006 Signed for $600K)
#7 Michael Bowden (Sup 1st, 2005)
#8 Nick Hagadone (1st, 2007)
#9 Oscar Tejada (FA, Signed for $525K)
#10 Josh Reddick (17th, 2006 Signed for $140K)
Yankees
#1 Joba Chamberlain (Sup 1st, 2006 Signed for $1.1 million)
#2 Austin Jackson (8th, 2005 Signed for $800K)
#3 Jose Tabata (FA, Signed for $550K)
#4 Ian Kennedy (1st, 2006 Signed for $2.25 million)
#5 Alan Horne (11th, 2005 Signed for $400K)
#6 Jesus Montero (FA, Signed for $1.6 million)
#7 Jeff Marquez (Sup 1st, 2004)
#8 Brett Gardner (3rd, 2005)
#9 Ross Ohlendorf (4th, 2004 Acquired in the Randy Johnson trade)
#10 Andrew Brackman (1st/30th overall, 2007 Signed for $3.35 million)
BA doesn't have the Angels 2008 list up but in 2007 their Top 10 included 3 1st round picks, 2 FA signings and at least 3 over-slot signings. Heck, their #5 prospect was a 40th round pick they dropped $800K on!
Yes, the A's should do everything they can to have a well funded and expert scouting staff but if they aren't willing to spend extra cash... and I'm talking about no more then $3-4 million a year in addition to what they already spend... the A's don't stand a chance to keep up with the big money teams.
The Red Sox hit a gold mine in the 1st round of 2005, but aside from that 4 of their top 10 prospects were acquire by spending money. The Yankees top 10 has 2 prospects that they spent slot rate on.
The A's have almost never gone above slot on a draft pick unless it was a draft-and-follow and it's catching up the them. Teams like the Angels, Yankees and Red Sox are essentially buying extra 1st round picks and you're asking the A's scouting department to be perfect to compensate.
That's misses the point completely.
by grover on Jan 14, 2008 2:37 PM PST 0 recs
A bigger problem is the A's always take
somebody who has high probabilty of making it to AAA or the Majors, but whose ceiling is limited to being a "solid" (see M. Ellis, S. Hatteberg) player.
by Bacon on
Jan 14, 2008 3:10 PM PST
up
0 recs
Solid works
Solid puts a starter in the line-up. Considering where the A's draft (traditionally) getting a guy that has a good chance of being a legit big league starter is a plus.
by grover on
Jan 14, 2008 3:23 PM PST
up
0 recs
Solid works to ensure a team that hovers
The whole draft process ought to be re-evaluted for the A's to get past being a solid, but unspectacular team.
by Bacon on
Jan 14, 2008 3:42 PM PST
up
0 recs
I wasn't clear enough, I apologize
I just figured after my lengthy post my intent was clear.
Once you're out of the 3rd round, you've basically got a 5% chance of drafting someone who'll end up being at least a starting caliber player. So in the later rounds I'm all for going after the best raw talent you can find, not "safe" picks. I'm all for spending $750K on a 10th round pick who has a 1 in 10 chance of developing into a star.
But in the 1st round, I think signing a guy who you think is a 50/50 chance to be a solid big league starter is a better deal then going after a guy with a 1/5 chance of being a star... especially if the other 4/5 option is BUST.
by grover on
Jan 14, 2008 3:50 PM PST
up
0 recs
???
Neither Mark Ellis nor Scott Hatteberg was drafted by Oakland. Ellis was drafted in 1999 in the 9th round by Kansas City. Hatteberg was drafted in 1991 in the 1st round by the Red Sox.
Aside from your examples being non-examples, are you saying Ellis and Hatteberg weren't good picks? I think Ellis was a great pick for K.C., and an even better pick-up when Beane nabbed him in that four-way trade. I thought signing Hatteberg on the cheap and converting him to 1B was an excellent move, too.
by iglew on
Jan 14, 2008 5:23 PM PST
up
0 recs
They're examples of the type of players the A's
seek to draft (i.e. solid and cheap), not literally the guys who they drafted. The guys who they've drafted recently in the first round have met the cheap, solid, low-ceiling player to a tee (Simmons and Pennington).
Picking up Ellis and Hatteberg were good moves on there own, but to make up an entire team of this type of player will ensure mediocrity.
by Bacon on
Jan 14, 2008 7:54 PM PST
up
0 recs
Putnam?
Robnett?
Corey Brown?
The A's have made plenty of high-risk-high-upside picks as well.
For that matter, I don't see how one could characterize Pennington as "low-risk." His college numbers suggested star potential, and he plays a high-risk position (middle infield).
by PaulThomas on
Jan 14, 2008 8:54 PM PST
up
0 recs
Oh, OK
That would have been a lot more clear if you had written "(See J Simmons, C Pennington)" in the first place.
I still disagree, but at least it's a coherent argument that way.
by iglew on
Jan 15, 2008 10:25 AM PST
up
0 recs
Well, as I noted
Three of those guys should have been knocked out by other teams taking them just to knock them off the board-- in the card gaming world, we'd refer to it as "hate-drafting".
It's incomprehensible to me that teams could just sit around picking players who are incredibly likely to be irrelevant instead of preventing other teams from buying good players for cash. This isn't just the A's here-- it's every small-to-mid-market team.
by PaulThomas on
Jan 14, 2008 3:15 PM PST
up
0 recs
What would be more relevent . . .
. . . would be to look at players on the 25 man roster. Or you could look at the top ten 4-5 years ago and see if they paid off.
by jarforcefatherofforce on
Jan 14, 2008 6:55 PM PST
up
0 recs
The five suggestions I would have for the A's
- Continue doing what you have done in the 1st round, because it has worked well overall. Notice that your best picks have been where your picks were rated highly by scouts. Higher draft picks this year and next year should lead to good quality players. Take the best player on your board and you should do fine.
- Reevaluate your 2nd-10th round philosophy. Your 2002-2005 drafts skewed way too much towards college guys with good numbers that scouts hate, and your results with these picks is not impressive. Your 2006-2007 drafts appear to have abandoned this philosophy to a certain extent, and I think this is a good thing. Look for guys that have dropped because of signability, and pick them if you can sign them to reasonably above slot bonusues.
- After the 10th round, take the best player available in every single round, signability be damned. After you pick them, be willing to spend money to sign them. At worst, you prevent other teams from signing them. At best, you bring in a guy every year or so who covers for some of the inevitable failed 1st rounders.
- Spend money to acquire international players, and invest heavily in academies.
- Buy the very best scouts that money can buy, and trust their opinions. Don't be scared to occasionally go against your philosophies for the right player.
by BlameChannel53 on Jan 14, 2008 3:20 PM PST 0 recs
3 Names
Depodesta, Fuson and Ricciardi all combined their talents with Eric Kubota and Beane to evaluate players. When 3 of these guys moved on, their replacements (if any) brought as much to the table. Too bad b/c truly Beane's leverage was through the draft as well as some high draft choices that arrived when the team's record wasn't very good.
All of this goes in cycles and Beane correctly is trying to avoid mediocrity which is the regression (injuries and all) that we've seen. The jury is still out whether or not this team can draft as well as some of the other top five farm systems in the league.
by Gerard on Jan 14, 2008 4:35 PM PST 0 recs
Different plan
The thing to remember is that the A's go into the draft with a path of where the "bargains" will be. It is sort of a contarian investment strategy. Most teams focus on the drafts supposed strengths and bid against each other for those players. One year it may be college pitchers the next high school hitters. The expert lists are all basically similar in any given year. The A's have tried to find the hidden strength of the draft and focus multiple picks in that area knowing not all will work out.
It changes every year. Until we have enough money to play the same way Boston and NY does then it is as good a plan as anyone has come up with.
Billy can play this way because he has job security. That is something most of the others, including those with all the money, do not have. Billy can miss an entire year ans still keep his job. He can take risks. Until others can also Billy is at an advantage with this strategy.
No one has picked all gems. It is a numbers game.
by Thomas Walker on
Jan 14, 2008 6:21 PM PST
up
0 recs
Case in Point...
...was his drafting multiple HS pitchers a couple years ago. Whether ANY of those draft picks become successful remains to be seen. The window for their maturity is larger than, say a college pitcher. I guess my only criticism (and it realy isn't much of one) is the drafting of positon players and comparing the A"s with other organizations. Buck has yet to really prove himself durable and productive for a whole year. Swisher established himself but beyond Suzuki, there hasn't been too much more that came from our organization unless you go back to when Fuson, Depodesta et. al. were in Oakland.
PS I look forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks to continue our discussion about this MOST interesting off-season. Hope all is well with you and your family.
by Gerard on
Jan 15, 2008 10:11 AM PST
up
0 recs
I won't pretend to know enough
about scouting and projecting potential MLB players, so I'll ask a question from a business perspective.
What's wrong with what Beane is currently doing? Why not develop a couple of above average players and then trade them off to other teams and skimming off their potential MLB players? It would seem to make good business sense to let the other teams pay the draft bonuses and assume the initial risk. Then you can swoop in and restock your farm system with a plethora of players that others have assumed the initial risk on.
You end up with a fat minor league system with guys competing to make the show for a minimal cost compared to what it would take to draft those same players yourself.
by alox on Jan 14, 2008 4:40 PM PST 0 recs
Player scouting is a major problem...
other than the first few rounds, you never hear about the A's developing young international players. How do academies work? Do Int'l player participate in the draft the same way as American players? Don't some Latin American players sign in their teens. So are they drafted? Or are do they just sign w/ a team once their talent is recognized?
by EatMoreChicken on Jan 14, 2008 5:12 PM PST 0 recs
The A's Have . . .
. . . already stated that they are putting more money into signing Latin American players. Their signings this year show this.
by jarforcefatherofforce on
Jan 14, 2008 7:07 PM PST
up
0 recs
The A's were doing real well, but then other team
started paying more money. Tejada, Ramon Hernandez are just two that I can think of, they signed a lot, most didn't pan out, Jose Ortiz, that OFer they had, all came from the Academy.
by theblackpearl on
Jan 14, 2008 8:31 PM PST
up
0 recs
There's no draft for international players
although it's utterly ridiculous that there isn't.
I mean, could you imagine the NBA if the best European and South American players were all bought up by the Lakers, Celtics and Knicks because they weren't subject to the draft (or to the salary cap)?
by PaulThomas on
Jan 14, 2008 8:57 PM PST
up
0 recs
Do the A's have thier own Academy?
where is it?
A sad commentary on our talent pool. Despite trading away our most talented players, we still don't have the highest ranked prospects.
by EatMoreChicken on
Jan 14, 2008 9:22 PM PST
up
0 recs












