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Milton Bradley: DFA

When I log onto AN, I always expect to see that one of our players is DOA, but not DFA. Milton Bradley, future-former-Athletic, gone someway somehow in the next 10 days. Here's my take:

First off, it is in transactions like this where I most trust Billy Beane. I am confident that this move was not made out of any subjective emotions or rash action, but rather out of good business sense, and I am confident that it is the right move--I'm not yet sure why, so I'm going to speculate, but I do not believe Beane would have made this move unless he knew it was the right move. For one thing, you don't DFA your #3 hitter without giving all your options a whole lot of thought.

What I have to think, first and foremost, is that Beane calculated that Milton Bradley was not going to play very much between tomorrow and the end of September. I think it's clear that when Bradley plays he helps the team win. He may have a temper, heck he may be a "malcontent," but he was not a "cancer" (on the contrary he was the best hitter's best friend) and his presence on the field made the A's a much better team. Whether Bradley reinjured himself--yet again--yesterday, or whether all signs just pointed towards a never-ending "seven days on, seven weeks off" pattern that has been Bradley's career, I have to believe that Billy Beane did not see Bradley playing much the rest of the season.

So Beane will probably try to trade him for a bucket of balls just to get Bradley's salary off the books. Meanwhile, the A's have their backup infielder up in Kevin Melillo. If there are no takers in the proposed Bradley-Bucket deal, Beane may be forced to eat Bradley's salary in exchange for opening up a spot on the 25 and 40 man rosters. Perhaps this is where Piazza and Cust can both fit in. Maybe we'll see Cust in LF after the All-Star Break--hopefully following daily 5-hour practice sessions between now and then.

All I know right now is that as with the Mulder-Hudson deals, I'm surprised now and expect to be appreciative later. The A's do know what they're doing--even if we don't know what they're doing.

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My gut feeling...

...to be either confirmed or blown out of the water as details come forth... is that this has everything to do with Bradley's injuries and realistic playing time and nothing to do with Chavez or any other players.

by UncleLeo on Jun 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We may never know...

But I see no way they DFA'd him for injuries/playing time.  I bet he flipped a lid at some point yesterday and said or did things that couldnt be fixed.  Just my gut feel too of course, but I don't see it being plausible the other way.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jun 21, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

injuries, lack of production or roster flexibility wasnt the reason. Milton must have misbehaved in the clubhouse or with Beane/A's management for this to happen.

Still its a loss for both Milton and the A's whichever way you look at it.

by oak1 on Jun 21, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I agree with Nico that Beane surely had some good reason for this. But the explanations that Nico proposes - lack of faith in Bradley's health, or clearing a roster spot for a backup infielder - are exactly the kinds of things that don't constitute a "good reason" for such a sudden move.

It just has to be something related to off-the-field issues.

What stank flatulist.

by andeux on Jun 21, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sudden to us...

...possibly not "sudden" to the team, i.e. Beane, Geren, etc.  It wouldn't surprise me if they've been discussing this privately for some time.  Especially once they were satisfied that Buck was the real deal.

by UncleLeo on Jun 21, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my question, andeux,
is, "If the A's believed Bradley was going to play in 70-75 of the last 90 games, would they still have gone the DFA route (due to whatever incidents may have happened)?"

I suspect no. But it sounds like you and OaktownPower suspect yes. Depends on what may have happened, I suppose.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to answer....

I think it all depends on the severity of any incidents.  The timing of it all with his reported possible tantrum and just coming back off the DL.  I have a hard time believing some off the field actions did not play a major part in this decision, especially considering his past incidents.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jun 21, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetically, if Swisher
approached Beane and said, "Hey man, do whatcha gotta do," I suppose that would be pretty powerful.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what does that have to do with the

price of tea in china?

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by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swish is Bradley's best friend on the team

and Swish is central to the team's future.

If Swish has reached a point where he's ready to see Bradley go, then that means it's time.

(Not that I have any information whatsoever about this hypothetical. I'm just explaining why it's relevant if Swish and Beane did have such a meeting.)

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

M-m-mmm...Yunnan Black <drool>
If even Swish felt Bradley was a "tired act" that would say something.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that Bud's little brother? (joking!)
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 21, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree as well.

I can't believe he was dumped for performance reasons, nor because of injuries. It's not like Oakland is full of injury-proof players and he was the outlier. (Rich Harden anyone?) Bradley is too good not to play when healthy, and Oakland is smart enough to realize that. Sure, he gets hurt from time to time...that's what the DL is for, you put him on it and play someone else. You play him when he's healthy and get what you can out of him. And when healthy, Milton is a legit corner-OF hitter who can play respectable defense in CF. You simply DO NOT release players like that for any reason other than personal ones, injury-prone or not.

Milton did something that pissed someone off. It couldn't be more simple than that. Period.

I like Milton a lot. I've followed him since his days in LA, and will fully acknowledge that he's a bit, uh...surly, at times. But you know what? I'd much rather cheer for a guy who plays hard and gets upset when he loses, than cheer for a guy who is simply showing up to collect his paychecks. Plenty of people don't like him, and I'm not sure why. Last I checked, "playing hard" was a quality people tended to get behind.

by rageon on Jun 21, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure....but that's it

"too good not to play when healthy" and it looks like, with this year at least, the "when healthy" part was the deal buster.

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by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Playing hard" is an oxymoron when refering to

Milton (unless you're talking about something other than baseball).

by Bacon on Jun 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here to discuss the price of tea in China

is my pal Ying.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ying is a ripoff artist!

And if Bradley could stay off the damn DL for more than a couple of days at a time, he'd still be here!

"The problems in the world today are so enormous they cannot be solved with the level of thinking that created them."- A. Einstein

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 22, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Milton Bradley plays hard
To play hard, you have to play, even sometimes when you have an owie. Eric Chavez, Mr. no-discernible-emotion-or-fire, plays hard. Milton Bradley pouts hard.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

... and I hate hard

< /Fred Astaire >

That's not such a bad idea ... but it's a strange inference. ~ mikeA @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 21, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I strongly disagree!

Milton played hard when he played, and I don't think anyone, except maybe the A's training staff(and who trusts them?), and Milton himself knew how much pain he was in and how well he could perform while injured. Chavy played with sore forearms and was absolutely worthless at the plate. Milton had leg injuries, which means he couldn't run, and that makes him worthless in the field AND at the plate, except for maybe an occasional pinch hit.

"It is very important while building a toy of chaos to include a light." - margret@live-evil.com

by McFood on Jun 21, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being worthless in the field and at that plate

=worthless as a ballplayer. Good riddance, Milty!!!

by Bacon on Jun 21, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played against Detroit in the playoffs

on one leg, essentially.  I doubt he's been coming up with bogus injury excuses to avoid playing.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 21, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

non-playoff games = practice?

c'mon, we're talking about practice people.  practice.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This just in . . .

Bradley has been traded for Allen Iverson.

by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jun 21, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So long Uncle Milty

I'm wondering if his little tirade yesterday helped himself out the door?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

"A's outfielder Milton Bradley had a mini outburst after Tuesday's batting practice.
On his way from the field to the clubhouse, he emphatically proclaimed his injured calf completely healed and showed frustration that he still isn't playing."

Fire Macha Yesterday!

by dboysick on Jun 21, 2007 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, my inference re Tuesday
is the A's informed Bradley that even though he was finally ready, he'd have to wait a day to be activated and that Bradley was miffed. Which probably miffed the A's to the tune of "You make us wait a month...again, and again...and now you can't a day?"

But I don't believe that this "conflict" or his clubhouse outburst yesterday, was the driving force behind the DFA (it looks to me, anyway, as if Bradley threw the chairs in reaction to meeting with Beane, not before).

If the A's felt he was going to get 200 more ABs this year, they would, IMO, have kept him. They must not feel that way, and given his track record who can blame them?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my feeling, also

Any meltdown was a reaction to something else, maybe being told what was going happen, or given an ultimatum of some sort, not the reason behind the DFA.

by UncleLeo on Jun 21, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley

Wow, my guess is that the A's indicated that he will not be a full time player.  Too many guys not enough AB's to go around.  That Bradley probably went off at being a part time player.  (I think he had similar problems in the past)And gave the A's no choice but to cut him.

ogallalabob

by ogallalabob on Jun 21, 2007 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That sounds like a good guess to me. n/t
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 21, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just surprised that

a trade couldn't be consummated without the DFA.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 21, 2007 10:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't say that I am surprised at all

Too bad....move on.  Next.

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by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's right.

Milton has not been a help this season...and the injury go round clogs up the rest of the team.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 21, 2007 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The injuries just meant

we had to put worse players out there. Now we are guaranteed to continue to put worse players out there.

My last sig was about Doyle.

by mikeA on Jun 21, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shannon's homerun

yesterday was the turning point.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 21, 2007 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stewart

has a 5.000 OPS in his last AB. There's no way you can leave that kind of proven production out of the lineup.

What stank flatulist.

by andeux on Jun 21, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shannon Stewart:

devastating counterexample to the Moneyball-is-racist theory.

My last sig was about Doyle.

by mikeA on Jun 21, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thougth shannon stewart was a devastating
counterexample to the moneyball-as-a's-theory theory?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beane was worried about the

moneyball-is-racist theory, so he kicked Forst and Zaidi out the room and signed Stewart.

My last sig was about Doyle.

by mikeA on Jun 21, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You meant to say "Frank Thomas"

But really, if Moneyball undervalued a player due to race, it would contradict it's entire rational of seeking market inefficiencies, and evaluating players by clear eyed statistics rather than gut feelings.

If Beane is racist in application of 'Moneyball' he has failed his own test.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 21, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

geren was in th loop

knew there was something strange about geren quickly responding that swisher would not be spending more time at first base, now know why

by pieful35 on Jun 21, 2007 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's take a moment to appreciate

the human resources gal in the A's front office.  
She has not had one break from the players' paperwork all season! I don't remember her name, she was on one of Robert Buan's preseason shows.

I hope she has a strong constitution, cause I'm sure her inbox will be overloaded in the next month or so. Not to mention the clubhouse manager Vusivich (sp?), his head must be spinning.  

Nature's first green is gold...

by prana160 on Jun 21, 2007 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pam Pitts?
"Kots went yard. With a pink bat. Stud."

by Jennifer on Jun 21, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zazu Pitts?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 21, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arm Pitts?
"Kots went yard. With a pink bat. Stud."

by Jennifer on Jun 21, 2007 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

busy day in office?
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by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

slowest day i have had in weeks

and naturally, no game thread to follow.

subject to revision pending next issue and there are too many issues

by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate off-days

this one in particular

"San Jose A's of Fremont" validates the Halo's stoopid name

by ArakSOT on Jun 21, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

william pitt the younger
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by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Pitts?

Shakespeare? The Bard Pitts?

"It is very important while building a toy of chaos to include a light." - margret@live-evil.com

by McFood on Jun 21, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lord PALMERSTON!!!
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and one of my personal favorites

Lord Curzon.

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by ak_A on Jun 21, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree with Boggs

Assuming the question is who was Britain's greatest prime minister, my vote really does go to Pitt the Elder.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pitt the elder

i agree

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Bradley Bobblehead joins my Tejada one

What will my bobblehead be worth now? It isn't that badly damaged and shakes it's head at least once a month.....

Morada Mudshark

by Morada Mudshark on Jun 21, 2007 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd say a Milton Bradley bobblehead
is now worth about as much as a Jairo Garcia bobblehead: So-o-oooo yesterday.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see:

Jairo Garcia day at the Coliseum, where they fly up Jairo Garcia so he can throw out the ceremonial first pitch and he and Mr. Casilla can stand arm and arm on the mound in front of the people.  That would be fun.

"The problems in the world today are so enormous they cannot be solved with the level of thinking that created them."- A. Einstein

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 22, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree it was probably the right move

for whatever reason. just sucks we had to give up ethier to get him in the first place.

http://westcoastmediabias.blogspot.com

by blasefaire on Jun 21, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but

We also got Anthony Perez for Ethier.

... that really doesn't make it better, does it?

by kirbyk on Jun 21, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's Gotta Be More....

Remember Mychael Urban's article from last season?

by richwol on Jun 21, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a shame

Like Nico, I trust Billy ... just really sad to see Bradley go -- I thought the team was considerably better with him in the lineup.  I guess that's the thing though -- just couldn't stay in the lineup.
It'll be interesting to see what the "real reason" was.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Jun 21, 2007 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think more will come out

I think Bradley did something very "anti-team" beyond just throwing the chairs.

Beane had a "private" conversation with him.  Then they DFA'ed him.  Throwing chairs is what you do when you cannot help your situation.

Beane never reveals all.  And won't, ten years later.   Nonetheless, someone will talk a little.  Then someone else, and a picture will emerge.

For right now, we just trust in Beane.  After all, do we know the operator on the rollercoaster before we get in? No but his "track record" says we trust him anyway.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA. All East Bay printing cos. support this idea!

by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BB will speak

A's vice president and general manager Billy Beane were to discuss the Bradley move in a conference call with reporters at 1 p.m. PT.

link

by gotgreen on Jun 21, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope we get some real info

though, i'm expecting "we made a roster move to designate milton bradley for assignment.  it was a decision we made collectively and we feel it was the best move for the team.  thanks for coming.".

by Eric in Atlanta on Jun 21, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe so

but I hope somebody that can hear/see this will take notes

"San Jose A's of Fremont" validates the Halo's stoopid name

by ArakSOT on Jun 21, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to say I'm upset

It's a little surprising, but I can't say I disagree.

by sprtsnwyn on Jun 21, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's always another shoe.

And when it drops, we'll better understand.  

Intrigue abounds in this situation with pennant races sharpening toward the trading deadline, our suddenly over-crowded roster, the speedy development of several prospects, etc.  I suspect that MB went-off in some unfortunate direction that precip'd this move, but I bet it was coming, anyway.  

Time to sit back and chant the AN Motto as a mantra.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jun 21, 2007 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

on the positive side

we could see Piazza on the field next week with Cust playing more OF to get both bats in the lineup.

by oak1 on Jun 21, 2007 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean we get Ethier back?

  Do overs would be nice but Bradley's intensity in the playoffs probably bought him time. His words about the "best clubhouse atmosphere he's ever played in" will not help his chances elsewhere. Too bad he squanders his talent b/c many have been willing to overlook his idiosyncracies.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 21, 2007 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it

When he's healthy he's on of our best players.  So you're eating his contract when he's hurt but if you can't trade him you're going to have to eat it without the 30 games he might have helped the A's during the remainder of the season.

by methodrampage on Jun 21, 2007 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

30 games he might have helped,

while getting paid to play every game, and taking up a valuable roster spot in the process...

Bye bye, Miltie...

"The problems in the world today are so enormous they cannot be solved with the level of thinking that created them."- A. Einstein

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roster spot
We're most likely going to have to pay him no matter what.  And he's not taking up a roster spot on the DL.  So what legs are you standing on now?

by methodrampage on Jun 21, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you so sure this wasn't a rash decision?

Remember BB traded Jeremy Giambi for some scrub named John Mabry back in 02 cause he was pissed at Giambi's partying and whatnot (of course that move actually worked but it was due more to luck than anything). Look, Billy isn't some totally objective baseball god capable of making completely rational baseball moves every single frickin time. He's human just like the rest of us and prone to irrationality. I'm pretty sure this move had nothing to do with salary issues, injury issues, roster space issues whatever you wanna throw out there to defend the move.

Bottom line, Milton did something to piss off Billy (a lot) and Billy irrationally DFA'd him in another Jeremy Giambi move.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that was a great move
for an "irrational" decision.  
i wish all my irrational moves worked out half that well.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the John Mabry one?

The A's got lucky it worked out.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 21, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, the team performed better without giambi

than with him.  
the a's got lucky that mabry put up an OPS similar go giambi, but they didn't get lucky that the trade worked out.
meanwhile giambi, with all his partying, drug problems and admitted steroids use, was out of the majors a year later.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking closer at the stats...

Giambi put up some pretty damn good numbers (.435 OBP .538 SLG) with Philly after he got traded (better than Mabry's). The team performed better because the starting pitching got hot and Chavvy and Miggy started hitting like beasts, not specifically because John Mabry joined the team. Sure Giambi was out of baseball in a year, but hey, Mabry was off the team too after that year, and for the rest of his career, performed like the scrubs he is (well except for 04, dude was pretty good in 04).

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 21, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he signed the paperwork in a fit of anger?

Sorry, but he's thought this through. Whether the deal works out for us is another matter, but this isn't a rash decision.

by OldhamA on Jun 21, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So basically

It's rational to DFA a player capable of putting up an .800 OPS along with great defense? You could talk about injury issues all you want but still that's not enough to warrant a DFA.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor were Jeremy Giambi and
Menechino's departures. There was good reason to expedite their departures and (allegedly--my knowledge is second-hand) it had to do with drugs and young teammates, not OPS.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point being, a decision
can be made quickly without being "rash".
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going by Moneyball here

In the book, if I remember correctly, Lewis pretty much stated that Beane was pissed as hell at Giambi because of the partying so he traded him for basically nothing. Depo tried to convince Billy not to do the move but Billy said it was the "best people decision he made, but the worst baseball decision."

What I'm saying is that the more Billy tries to make "people" decisions, the more it'd probably bite him in the ass. Trading Giambi (even though he was a very good hitter) because of the partying issues might have been a good decision, but DFAing Milton right now makes no sense. Look, from what we found out so far, Milton was angry because of the rehab and not being activated soon enough. Is that enough to warrant a DFA? IMO no, but you might think otherwise. Is a little discontent on the level of excessive partying and drugs? Definitely not. Maybe Milton did something truly aweful (and if he did, I'll change my mind) but from what we got right now, I don't think this was a good decision.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 21, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lewis pretty much stated

a lot of things that were roughly based on truth but told in a way that has more to do with the theme of his book's theme than the real situation. This could easily be one of them.

Anyway, here's hoping that other GMs agree with you, lenscrafters.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Sabean will take him ...

... and quadruple his salary.  Or give us Randy Winn so he can be closer to home in Dandyville.  

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by The Dogfather on Jun 21, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BAR ROOM TALK.......

FUCK THE GUY. 65 at-bats since the start of the year, it is almost July. Three DL stints--bull shit. Has he really helped the team a lot this year??? NO. Will he perform well if healthly elsewhere? YES. The move may come back to haunt us, but the outfield is getting crowded any way, if everyone were healthy. There is Stewart, Cust (liability defensively), Kotsay, Swisher, and Snelling whenever he may come back. If we could trade him for a pitching prospect or an immediate impact reliever--do it. IN BILLY WE TRUST!!!!!!!!! Thank you AN

You motorboating son of a bitch

by bigmacattack on Jun 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no Buck?
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Jun 21, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clear over sight

on my part in my angry typing. I also forgot about Lord Kielty

You motorboating son of a bitch

by bigmacattack on Jun 21, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Latrell Sprewell

Personally, I thing Milton went Latrell Sprewell on someone.  Anger issues are a tough thing to harness for some people.  

by Colorado Fan on Jun 21, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Contra Costa Times...

Bradley went 0 for 3 with a walk. He took a called third strike in his final at-bat and appeared to have some heated words for home plate umpire Tim Timmons until Geren came out to pick up the discussion.

Bradley was still upset about something as he left the A's clubhouse after the game. As he climbed the stairs just outside the clubhouse, Bradley threw a couple of plastic chairs down the stairs and shouted expletives General Manager Billy Beane said he and Bradley had a discussion but described it as a "private thing."

"He wasn't that upset when he left (the meeting)," Beane said. "You just never know. We'll check on him (today)."

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 21, 2007 11:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"I'm healthy and on the bench"

"Asked Tuesday how he was feeling, Bradley curtly responded, "I'm healthy and on the bench." Bradley was activated from the DL the following day and went 0-for-3 with a walk."

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/...

Just a little more from the usually hours-behind Oakland Tribune.

"He could run for mayor of Oakland! I hope he never wakes up" -Korach on Cust's GW 3 run HR

by popcornjames on Jun 21, 2007 11:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Snelling

Dont underestimate Snelling in all this.  He was hitting well when he went down.  They need roster space to keep him

by jmaloney2000 on Jun 21, 2007 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

underestimate snelling in all this

i'm a big doyle fan, but he has only played in four games down in sacto, and none since june 9.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was good in 20 AB's

he's the man.  we should probably disregard his .240/.357/.380 career for the 20 ABs he's had as an A.

by the way, i enjoyed you in the west wing?. i'm assuming you're janel maloney?

by inbillywetrust on Jun 21, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this gives Buck more AB's

then im happy.

We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Jun 21, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

buck gets as many ABs

as his elbow and wrists allow him to get.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good riddance. Uncle Milty's a head case just

wating to explode. And he sets a terrible example by not plying unless he's 100% healthy.

by Bacon on Jun 21, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

bradley? 100% healthy?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no doubt that this has to

do with a season long problem in the clubhouse.  It was not a one day thing.  I have played with guys like Milton before who only play when they want to play.  Horrible attitude and can kill a team.  Personally his ambivalence was starting to piss me off.  I am glad he is gone and I am sure there is a reason.  We won't get to know aside from media friendly euphemisms this afternoon either.  Remember we still will be trying to get something for him in the next 10 days.  We won't ever know the full story, but I can't help but feel very confident in knowing he had a terrible attitude and the A's were done with it.  

by marco magic on Jun 21, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this though flies in the face

of his tuesday quote..
where he said he's healthy but sitting on the bench.

by NYC on Jun 21, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DL'd outfielders

Snelling will have to be on the roster when he is healthy.  This just gives the team the flexibility when that time comes.  What happens to Kiely?  Does anyone care?

by jmaloney2000 on Jun 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

mrs kielty cares.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 21, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Post of the day!

Quick draw, McGraw!!  L'edOL!!

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his mother or wife?

mom's always care

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely forgot Kielty was even on this team.
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Jun 21, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG.

I just remembered about 'hop on the treezy' =[ Now im sad....

We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Jun 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Random:

Melhuse just hit a bomb.

We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Jun 21, 2007 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay, Adam!

I'm so happy he's doing well.  We always say that, but is it ever more true than now? I mean Texas sucks anyway, so it's not like it's going to hurt us.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW!

Ummm... We're going to Cleveland for 4 games and we get rid of our best batter against them before the road trip! WTF! Yeah, we have a lot of outfielders but that's better than being down to two with all of these injuries. Then again, three trips to the DL and yer out...

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by OaktownRajah on Jun 21, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not wait a couple of hours to get

some actual substance??

First, if he can't bat, who cares that the club goes to Cleveland.  "Our best batter" was then, not now...if that is even the case vs Cleveland!

"Three trips to the DL, and "...

Is that why Milton is gone?  Three is the "magic number"?  

I would speculate, but never put things in "no uncertain terms, WTF" without information.

I speculate that it is unrelated to on-field abilities.

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

woah

that limb yer out on is gettin creaky.. might wanna ease your way back a step or two. dont forget your safety line!

by NYC on Jun 21, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

specifics?

Breaking news!
"Earth Still Spinning!"

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll prolly end up on the Giants...
Take my love, take my land/ Take me where I cannot stand/I don't care, I'm still free/You can't take the A's from me!

by OaktownRajah on Jun 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My bet

is that he'll end up with the Angels.

I think religion is a neurological disorder that prevents people from thinking on their own.--B. Maher

by sf drift king on Jun 21, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it.
I don't think Milton is exactly Scioscia's type.

by Faust on Jun 21, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT:

Larry Davis was named as head athletic trainer to the AL team in the All-Star Game... {cue the evil music}

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releas...

Take my love, take my land/ Take me where I cannot stand/I don't care, I'm still free/You can't take the A's from me!

by OaktownRajah on Jun 21, 2007 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's brilliant!!!!!!
Injure all the best players on all the other teams!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 21, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll drive him there

(one-way offer only)

One thing about HRs, ...they don't stop for defenders.

by A s Eh on Jun 21, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then

When they're down,

In addition, Hall of Famer Al Kaline will be with the American Leaguers as a special guest of Leyland throughout All-Star festivities.

pour salt on their wounds.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

by Bronx A's Fan on Jun 21, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

Back into rehab in the other thread...

Flatten Your Thirds.

by LawDaddy on Jun 21, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whaaa? I thought you were in "rehab"??

and then, another LD photo??????

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I..just..can't..helpmyself...photo so good....

[sneaks post]

Flatten Your Thirds.

by LawDaddy on Jun 21, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try this:

Just turn off the electricity feeding the building within which your computer is powered.

Problem solved!

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swisher...

better get a new dance partner.  Maybe Stebby.

by CyZito on Jun 21, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man

That teaches me to have a doctor's appointment on A's off days from now on.  

This is wild, wild news.  But at the same time, after ruminating on it for a while, I kind of disagree with Nico.  I'm guessing that this became something that Billy Beane couldn't have in the clubhouse anymore.  I would not be surprised if it all stemmed from the fact that Bradley felt ready to go a day earlier than the A's were going to put him in there.  I'm not sure how much behind the scenes stuff we're going to hear about it, but I would bet that it had a lot to do with the fact that Bradley felt he was ready and the A's didn't put him in.

Although I wouldn't call it a rash decision just because you have to protect the atmosphere in the clubhouse.  The A's have proven that they can win without Bradley.  Are they a better team with him on the field?  Definitely.  But the problem is that he's proven time and time again that he just can't stay healthy.  I mean ultimately the best scenario would've been to get him back into the lineup, have him prove that he can stay healthy and hit and then trade him, but it appears like they were past the point of no return.  That's what you do when you DFA someone.  You just need that problem gone and gone now.

That being said, I feel similarly in that I trust Billy.  He makes the right decisions for this franchise time in and time out and I have no doubts that getting rid of Milton will be the right thing.  I still like Snelling a lot and Cust is proving that he can make adjustments when major league pitchers try and pitch him differently.

What's in store for Bradley?  You have to wonder if anyone is willing to take a risk on a chronically injured guy who has serious anger issues.  I honestly felt like this was Milton's last chance.  But then again, I thought Baltimore was Sosa's last chance two years ago.  Bradley did give us quite a few good memories for his short time here, the biggest one being the home run off BJ Ryan last season.  But he was also unbelievably frustrating in the fact that he couldn't stay healthy (in a Rich Harden kind of way).

I suppose the one person feeling rather vindicated today would be Mychael Urban.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 21, 2007 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

speaking of Urban ...

... another possible speculative scenario is that Kotsay Urban's unnamed sources from last year approached Beane after getting finally fed up, precipitating the whole affair.

That's not such a bad idea ... but it's a strange inference. ~ mikeA @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 21, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I've not seen addressed ...

... in any organized way is Milton's weight this year.  He looked a good 15 lbs heavier to me, and not in a good way -- just sort of pudgy.  Is it possible that his injuries were concluded to have stemmed from inadequate training and professional preparation?  That would be the kind of signal Management would hate to see sent.  Of course, anything like that won't come out 'til the dust settles, if ever.

I've been a Milton fan since his interview with Tom and Ralph before last season.  His message was: Judge me by what I do here.  But for the blow-up at the ump in the Angels game last year, it all seemed good.  That Anger Issue must be a very big and ornery  primate to carry around on your back.      

 

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jun 21, 2007 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until we know better...

My fantasy is BB needed to show Detroit MB could play then DFA'd Bradley before a leg, arm, or head fell off.

Why?

...to obtain Nate Robertson of course;

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...

Why?

Because Loaiza went down and Harden will join the pen and remain there until August-September.
(Why blow Harden's starting career?)

Originally I was thinking BB might offer Cassilla or Jairo (or both) for Nate. (Have you looked at Detroit's pen this year? I think they earned every Tiger loss so far!)

...Todd Jones is still pitching???!!!

...he's the Tigers closer!!!???

So I'll just continue with this little fantasy and my other fantasy too!

.
Oh! The other fantasy?
...a BB trade that has Kendall + a LHRP going to Sandy Alderson for Suzuki's mentor: Barrett + a RHRP to replace Duke.
(Linebrink would do but so would 2-3 other SD RPs)
.
.
PS
Can BB insert some contract language indicating the person is expected to play?

One thing about HRs, ...they don't stop for defenders.

by A s Eh on Jun 21, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beane Over-reacted and now pays the price

..."Something had to give" was a title of one of my diaries. Very simply, before we discuss ego's etc. Beane picked up a multitude of outfielders who were not to just stock up the farm system but to fill in the holes due to an outfield that was completely decimated.

  We had traded for Denorfia, Snelling, and Cust in an outfield that already had injuries sustained by Buck, MB, Kielty, Stewart, and even Swisher for a couple of games. Denorfia, I understand was a long range move. Snelling was a huge gamble given his history and Cust was picked due to the DH situation.

  But really, what was Beane thinking? We still have issues with Kielty and Snelling who both might be out of options. Another DFA or trade? Stewart isn't going anywhere b/c I believe you can't trade a player within the 1st year of his FA signing. MB was the logicial choice given his lack of productivity. Call it "bad luck". The truth, however, is that his body can't keep up with what he demands of it. Hopefully, He can sit out get healthy and in shape and start again next spring. That would be his wisest move. Too bad it won't be in Oakland.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 21, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stewart can be traded

A free agent may be traded on June 15th.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 21, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
  I knew there were restrictions.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 21, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what you see as a problem ...

... Beane sees as an opportunity. This is yet another area where Beane's gaming of the roster/DL rules provides an advantage: yes, the organization needs to make some roster decisions -- but it also has more spare parts to deal than do other teams.

That's not such a bad idea ... but it's a strange inference. ~ mikeA @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 21, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we needed to call up a middle infielder

I think Bradley was DFA'd to create a roster spot so we can carry another infielder while a trade that has been in the works is completed.  With chavez day-to-day, we don't have any backup middle infielders at the moment.  Presumably, Bradley was already going to be moved, and this is the roster manipulation that made the most sense.  I doubt there was a culminating incident, which caused him to be DFAd.  He was likely upset after his AB yesterday, and I don't think anything he did after that would result in a DFA.  Also, if there was some kind of incident, you would expect the A's to downplay it to buoy his trade value as much as possible.  A rash dismissal just doesn't seem to help anyone.

What has been troubling to me is that Bradley has been hopping on and off the DL this season with a rather nebulous set of injuries.  Notice how we'd never get any timetable reports from him - he would just suddenly show up in the lineup.  Something was have been going on behind the scenes, which was cause for management wanting to trade him.

It is too much of a coincidence that at the same time that we must call up an infielder our best hitter would get involved in a sudden incident leading to dismissal.

by panchopunch on Jun 21, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not too much of a coincidence

Three things: his remark about "healthy and on the bench".  Going to Sacto and going through the motions.  Showing the possibility that he is not healthy, but proclaiming he is.  The only coincidence is that Chavvy got a ribcage pull.

I speculate that Bradley has been doing his own work to have made this a "no brainer".

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the rigcage pull is the coincidence that matters

we needed to make a roster move today.  I'm pretty sure the DFA has to do with that, but will likely eat my words.

by panchopunch on Jun 21, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this point

I don't think Bradley did anything he hasn't done before, and if Chavez didn't come up lame, nothing would have happened.  At least not until Kielty or Piazza was ready to come back.  This just made it necessary to accelarate what was going to be a tough call.  Beane made the decision (prescient, I think) that Stewart and Cust were going to have more value for the remaining 90 games.

by boilerdan on Jun 21, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy's ego

If it looks like the decision is personal and unfair, and Billy let his ego get the better of his judgment in order to DFA a guy who pissed him off personally, that's a plus in terms of trading him.

If Billy's move is purely rational, it means Bradley, in spite of his good numbers when he plays, is a net negative for the Athletics -- and that in turn suggests that he probably wouldn't be any good for another team either. On the other hand, if Billy is acting irrationally for personal reason, some other GM might reasonably think Bradley is worth picking up, and thus might make a decent deal for him.

Although Beane excels at evasion and misdirection, one rarely if ever sees him engage in outright deceit, so I don't think he's going to pretend an incident just to trick other GMs.  On the other hand, if rumor gets out that Beane is just being an egotistical ass about Bradley, he's probably not going to go out of his way to defend his name either, at least not for the next ten days.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

we don't even know why Milton was DFA though,

so to say it's unfair is ridiculous at this point. and the when he plays is a big when. he's never healthy, and I don't see that changing this year.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Jun 21, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or

there team is so crappy that anything helps.. maybe thats just no longer the case for us with our crowded OF

by NYC on Jun 21, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I'm really surprised that ESPN isn't all over this.  They love guys who are perceived troublemakers like Pacman Jones, Rickey Williams and Ron Artest.  Milton would seem to fit right in there.  Yet yesterday they have splash all over the place about frickin' Curt Schilling on the DL.  

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 21, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wake up, Blez

No one gives a shit what happens to the Oakland A's. And, believe me, I'm as big a fan as you are and love this team and this organization a whole, whole lot.

by RLangford on Jun 21, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word

and the "word" is, "notBostonorNewYork".

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by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Performance wise, milty isn't in the same league

those four. And considering he's been pretty much useless all year, milty's being DFA'd ain't the same as Shilling's DL.

by Bacon on Jun 21, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tipping Point

My guess is the incidents of thee last few days was the tipping point to making a decision about how to deal with Bradley's chronic unavailability. The decision was to turn the page.

Bradley is either incredibly injury prone or a malingerer. My uniformed opinion is the latter. His health issues appear to be similiar to former Giants' third baseman the late Chris Brown.

by NoeValley on Jun 21, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Always the green tops

for my uniformed opinions.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jun 21, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

odd that I had that thought

at the exact same time

I am not HH

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good bye and good riddance

Maybe the A's can trade him for Andre Ethier.

by Gitz on Jun 21, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope this doesn't mean Kendall in LF

LF Kendall
C Piazza/Suzuki

I might require expensive therapy if that were ever our lineup for more than one game.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like two possibilties are emerging

1. There's a trade in the works and this lets us get the infielder we need up. That would be a good thing, though I don't remember it ever happening in my history of watching baseball (doesn't mean it hasn't happened, of course). This isn't the process by which you trade someone.

  1. We just cut him. This isn't a good thing. It might be what we need to do, who knows. But believe me, no one woke up this morning thinking we should just cut Milton Bradley and eat his salary, no one woke up thinking that somehow not having him would make us better. Cutting a player of this caliber is also something I can never remember happening. If anybody can remember it happening--on the A's or elsewhere--please supply the team and the names.

For me, this move is as shocking as it gets.

by RLangford on Jun 21, 2007 12:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley as a 4th OFer on a set playoffs team

Is more realistic than 4th OFer on the A's.

In my opinion, ...It's a trade.

One thing about HRs, ...they don't stop for defenders.

by A s Eh on Jun 21, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

susan slusser speculates

There was a good chance of more discontent in the future, with an increasingly crowded outfield in the offing. Chris Snelling is likely coming off the disabled list soon and he is out of options, while Bobby Kielty is also expected to be available by the end of the month. Bradley, who will be a free agent after this season, would have seen a decrease in playing time, according to a source, largely because most of the rest of the outfielders are part of the team's future, while Bradley was not.

"He wasn't going to be happy playing a couple of times a week," a team source said.

link

by gotgreen on Jun 21, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I still don't buy that.

As chronically injured as this outfield has been the chances had to be good that there would have been playing tinme for anyone able to swing a bat and catch a ball.

by green star oakland on Jun 21, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would he be the odd man out in the OF?

He's more talented than all but Buck. And, at this point in their careers, he's better than Buck.

The argument Slusser is floating for the A's makes no sense. You don't sit guys in the final year of their contract because they're not in your future. That's plain nonsense. We didn't sit Tejada at the end of his contract. Or Giambi. Or Damon. We didn't pitch Zito less to make room for Windsor. That's insane. If Bradley is one of your best players and you're paying him, you play him.

Given this lame argument, why aren't we cutting Shannon Stewart in that case. He certainly isn't part of our future.

by RLangford on Jun 21, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They might have told him

that they'd rather rest him regularly to avoid all these DL and nearly-DL episodes, which isn't a crazy approach to a chronically injured player.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 21, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not more talented
because he doesn't play.  It's a pure calculation of who will bring more value the remainder of the year - Stewart, Cust, or Bradley.  There was no other move to make since they need to bring up an infielder.  Because of Bradley's likelihood to be reinjured, Beane decided that Stewart and Cust will bring more value.  It think it was a smart move.

by boilerdan on Jun 21, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy it either.

There's no way, if Milton is healthy, that he's the guy to get cut down to two days a week. There's allocation of playing time you could come up with where that makes any sense. And while it may be true that the other outfielders are part of the longer-term plans (except Kielty and Stewart), this year's playing time would be based on who gives us the best shot at the postseason this year. And that criterion means playing Milton surely no less than 5 times a week.

Besides, assuming that everyone was going to get and stay healthy the rest of the season is a stretch. Billy acquired depth precisely because to handle the inevitable injuries; you don't jettison depth just because a few people happen to (temporarily) get healthy at the same time. Which hasn't even happened yet.

by Faust on Jun 21, 2007 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People bagging on Milton now? WTF...

Other than injury problems Milton has never received criticism around AN.  Everyone was eager to comment about how he was a model citizen until today.  I can't believe how quickly everyone changes their mind about a guy plus chalk up BB's decision as a great one.  Totally unbelievable.

Where were all these statements before the DFA?

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jun 21, 2007 12:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

forgive me for my use of "everyone"

A MAJORITY of AN defended Milton and thought he was a model citizen with the A's.  SEVERAL people changed their minds today.

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jun 21, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The groupthink, in Beane we trust mindset is sometimes pretty weird.

by RLangford on Jun 21, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point. I think Beane is a great GM

but I believe there is also a little too much "Jim Jones" from time to time.

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jun 21, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is...

most teams' most intelligent and astute fans are smarter than the GM and if they just had access to the inside informaton the GM had, they could do a better job.

I tell you right now the guy that runs the Nationals' blog on SB Nation could be ten times the GM that Bowden purports to be.

However, the A's have a strange situation in that the GM is just as intelligent as the most intelligent fans, and has access to inside information, and years of experience of properly interpreting and using that information, thus earning the trust of those intelligent fans.

If Mr. Beane started making stupid move after stupid move, the "In Billy We Trust" stuff would be out the door in a heartbeat.  

"The problems in the world today are so enormous they cannot be solved with the level of thinking that created them."- A. Einstein

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 22, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall trade

Kotsay extension

Hatteberg extension

T-Long extension

Dye extension

Ginter acquisition

Perez acquisition

Rhodes acquisition

Bradley DFA

That's not such a bad idea ... but it's a strange inference. ~ mikeA @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 23, 2007 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turtles...

All the way down. The amount of rampant speculation here is amazing.

Personally, I think Billy was forced by aliens to either DFA Gameboy, or undergo another probing. Billy hates probing....

by Bronx A's Fan on Jun 21, 2007 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nice reference
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DFA

There are only two reasons a team DFAs someone.

  1. The team believes the player is a useless bum who can't play baseball anymore.
  1. The team believes the player is an unhinged lunatic, a divisive force or clubhouse cancer, who must be sent away immediately.

We know it's not #1, because Bradley remains a very talented baseball player.  It's not about injuries.  It's because A's management regards Bradley as an unhinged lunatic who can't cope with whatever he can't cope with.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was the news that he won't play every day, but who knows?

You can't go throwing tantrums in the clubhouse, attacking management.  That sounds like what he's been doing the last few days.

Unfortunately, the end result is the A's are a less-talented team than they were yesterday.

 

by bear88 on Jun 21, 2007 12:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This pretty much gets it right, I think

And is much more accurate in its logic than the original post by Nico that somehow suggests this is how you go about making a trade.

Trade or not, you don't DFA someone before you trade him, do you?

by RLangford on Jun 21, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you don't

The only other semi-plausible explanation I can come up with would be a confluence of three separate circumstances:

  1. The A's were already planning on trading Bradley within a few days - perhaps for the reasons that Nico gives - and had a tentative deal in place that's being held up for some other reason.
  1. Chavez aggravated his injury enough to miss a few days, but not enough to be placed on the DL, and the team really needs another infielder for this weekend.
  1. Bradley also aggravated his injury enough to miss a few days, but not enough to be placed on the DL, so he won't be missed for the few days before the already-pending trade is completed.

But, of course, I still think some sort of clubhouse meltdown is a more likely explanation.

What stank flatulist.

by andeux on Jun 21, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His trade value is pretty much zero

There may be teams interested in Bradley, but they will offer Nico's bucket of balls or just wait until the A's have to release him.

I'm unhappy at this turn of events, because there's no way to spin this into a positive.  Beane may have been right to cut him loose, based on his behavior, but a healthy Bradley is still a much better outfielder - right now - than anybody else on the team.

by bear88 on Jun 21, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley is a valuable add-on to a roster

already expecting to be in the playoffs.
.

  1. He may already be traded since he is proven healthy. (And DFA'd to quarantine him from team mates)

.

  1. BB could be dangling MB to a few teams and quarantined ...

.
.

One thing about HRs, ...they don't stop for defenders.

by A s Eh on Jun 21, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about 25 roster positions?

They DFA'ed Todd Walker and he certainly was a useful "bum".  And not "unhinged".

Walker, a player for many years, says he's expecting a WS championship ring out of the experience with the Athletics.  Guess he doesn't buy your DFA analysis.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA. All East Bay printing cos. support this idea!

by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm..

Is Todd Walker really a good example to cite as a useful bum?  We got Walker because the Padres DFA'd him and we were the only team interested (and only becasue of the injury to DJ to start the season).  Then after Walker was DFA'd by us, no one else clamied him on waivers or asked him to play for them once he was released.  So, at least in the opinion of every other MLB team he was, in fact, no longer useful.

by AsFanInLA on Jun 21, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, useful in that
if he didn't get  hits in two different ABs, the A's would have lost those games.

Walker made it clear he preferred to being at home in Louisiana at this time, with his kids.  No team was willing to take an unwilling player in place of a kid in AAA wanting to play in the Majors.

Beane no doubt got two wins out of the guy.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA. All East Bay printing cos. support this idea!

by One won lost won on Jun 21, 2007 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two wins is worth a ring, right

I'm glad that he took the attitude of wishing no ill will toward the A's.

"The problems in the world today are so enormous they cannot be solved with the level of thinking that created them."- A. Einstein

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 22, 2007 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Billy Beane is happier

being GM in Oakland than in Boston.  Exhibit A.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 21, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because he won't have 50 reporters
from the local and national media asking him about this for 2 weeks.

He's far, far out of the spotlight in Oakland.  Imagine what ESPN alone would have done with this story if it had involved the Red Sox.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 21, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boston fans also may have killed Theo

if he dumped their best outfielder.

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jun 21, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

other blogs interested

I'm too lazy to post all the links, but perusing the blogs of other teams a lot of people seem interested in taking a flyer on Milton.  Not that bloggers and GMs are one and the same, but I can't help but think that this bodes well for getting a non-Ginter return on Milton.

by sec119 on Jun 21, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley's value

now, this isn't the best measure of value, but he was owned in only 0.3% of MLB leagues in ESPN fantasy baseball.  That shows that either:
a) the vast majority don't believe he'll ever be healthy enough to play a lot of games and/or
b) nobody thinks he's good enough to waste a roster spot waiting for him to heal.  

Just another point of view.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fantasy is different

Bradley doesn't put up big counting stats.  In 5x5 fantasy leagues, Bradley is never going to have much value.  Not sure we can conclude much from this.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 21, 2007 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just a "wisdom of the crowds" point
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly...

no one thought he was good enough to hold on the team even though he was injurred.    

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jun 21, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...........

Well I haven't read any of the above, but I just want to say that I'm disappointed.  I understand the DL issues with MB and also the supply/demand issues regarding the outfield position for the A's.  That all having been said, I was at the game just yesterday and a guy asked me who my favorite A's player was.  Without hesitation I said "Milton Bradley."  I'm a big time fan of the A's who has been to 30+ games already this year, and I know the team very, very well.

I wish things had worked out with MB and the A's, because he is one of the most exciting players in MLB to watch.  Just Tuesday, for instance, he apparently hit a BP fastball into a window of the luxury boxes in dead CF, so it was a seriously monster blast.  Anyway, I just wanted to cry a little bit about this DFA, though I suppose it will make the A's better in the long run (hopefully).  I'm presuming this will mean a forthcoming trade.

by Baseball Equals Life on Jun 21, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Take a look at the giants

SF giants hanging on to Bonds they can't bear to let go and going and are slowly rotting from within. So if there is a silver lining the A's can get some fresh blood and continue on as a winning team. But I really liked having Milton and will miss him terribly. So much style and passion. And Swisher's hr dance..who can replace?

by davestewart on Jun 21, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So much for my extra MB Bobbleheads

I was waiting til he gets hot and then put them on ebay.  Oh well.

by What Would Rickey Do on Jun 22, 2007 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The going rate (from what I hear)
I'll trade you a (bobblehead-sized) bocket of balls for one of 'em!

by PositionPlayerProd on Jun 22, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops!
"bocket" = "bucket"

(That'll teach me to preview every time...)

by PositionPlayerProd on Jun 22, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a couple of Beanie Babies is

about what you'll get.  And no "bird" beanies.

People get these things and think they'll make a fortune later on, in spite of (1) no redeeming social value and (2) the creation of 20,000 of the same thing.

I have a 1961 Mickey Mantle Topps baseball card.  In 1989 it was worth $3000... now it's worth $700-$1000.

When it comes to collectibles, it's eBay and other "transacters" that make the money.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA. All East Bay printing cos. support this idea!

by One won lost won on Jun 22, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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