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Every year, many A’s fans decry the fact that the A’s aren’t aggressive on the basepaths and every spring training it would seem like reporters would almost always ask A’s manager Ken Macha the same question:  “Are you planning on being more aggressive on the bases this year?”  And Macha would seemingly always reply the same way, “I think so, I’d like to definitely be more aggressive and work on base running this spring.”

The A’s would then go out and not really do anything more than what they’ve done the year before.  As a matter of fact, it was much of that inactivity on the bases last year that led to the A’s hitting into double play after double play.

I asked the new A’s manager Bob Geren this very question the day before he flew to Phoenix to open his first spring training and this is how it went:

Blez:  A lot of A's fans get frustrated, especially the old school A's fans who saw Rickey Henderson and a lot of the stolen bases, hit and run style baseball, and just a lot more action on the bases.  What's your philosophy on that?  Do you plan on being more aggressive with stealing and hitting and running or do you plan on keeping the A's system over the last few years in place?

Geren:  If I had a 27-year-old Rickey Henderson, he would steal 100 bases, there's no doubt.  I don't have anything against that.  I know that there's a certain percentage of stealing a base that has to make it even worth trying it.  There's been all kinds of statistical studies done on that and I believe in that.  The hit and run can be a questionable thing because what you're doing there is starting a runner and you have to have a reason to do it.  Are you trying to stay out of a double play?  Are you trying to create something?


Blez:  Well, the A's hit into so many double plays last year it might make sense to be more aggressive.

Geren:  True, very true.  Also on the hit and run, my philosophy on that has to take into consideration: what if the hitter swings and misses and what are the chances that he's going to still steal it?  If the chance is like zero, it's not really worth it on the risk/reward factor.

Blez:  So you don't send a Dan Johnson on a hit and run then?

Geren:  Not too often, but if I had a 3-2 with one out and Jason Kendall hitting who is one of the lowest strikeout totals in baseball, he's going to run because you're putting it on the hitter and not on the runner.  My philosophy on sacrifice bunts is that statistics show that no outs and a runner on first, you're probably going to score more runs than with one out and a runner on second.  But if moving that runner into scoring position has a chance to win a game or tack on an extra run to help you win a game, I'll do it.  It's really difficult to talk about hypotheticals.  You have to manage the situation first and what is going to benefit the team on that day.  I'm not against anything, but right now we don't have the personnel to steal a ton of bases.  But if a pitcher is slower than normal in his delivery or a catcher is struggling or something, I would say sure, we'll be a little more aggressive than we've been in the past.

Geren has been pretty aggressive so far on the bases.  Yesterday’s hit and run with Kendall and Scutaro really wound up making that inning work for the A’s.  Because Kendall was in motion, the Aybar had a much harder time flagging down the ball that Scutaro hit.

The A’s have stolen eight bases in 15 games so far this season.  That’s stealing a bag in about 53 percent of the games the A’s played.  If you calculate that over a full season that would equal out to about 86 stolen bases for the season.  Last year, the A’s stole 53 bases in 162 games.  That’s roughly 33 percent of the games the A’s played.  Now I’m not saying that the A’s will continue to be this aggressive.  I mean who knows, perhaps they just felt like they could run wild on Mike Napoli and that’s why they had been so aggressive.  Remember when the A’s ran wild on the Padres with Piazza behind the dish?  

Now all statistical analysis with 15 games played in a 162-game season seems premature.  I just wanted to note that it seems like Geren understands this offense and how to try and maximize the number of runs it will produce.  He’s mostly made really good choices on the bases so far this year.  And if Billy Beane loathes the stolen base so much and he’s the egomaniacal control freak people would have you believe, why is he letting Geren implement it so often so early?

My guess would be that he has someone running the team that he trusts making the right decisions at the right time when it comes to playing the small ball game.  Geren said himself that you shouldn’t expect a lot because the A’s don’t really have the personnel for a lot of stolen bases, but this team can make smart choices that will increase their chances of scoring more runs and staying out of the dreaded, repeated double plays.  And if they do, then you can count me as one who is all for it.  I like what I’ve seen so far.

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Agreed Blez.

Definitely a little early for accurate statistical projections, but 8 for 10 (so far) is a superb percentage.  I think the key is smart base stealing; no we don't have any speed burners, but we have some guys who run OK and have good smarts, like Kendall, Chavez (74% career success rate), Bradley when he comes back, etc.  It seems like Geren has really picked the right spots to run or to hit-and-run, like against pitchers who are slow to the plate and/or catchers who aren't Pudge Rodriguez.  Sure we'll have the occasional caught stealing, but we'll also stay out of a few more double plays.  And one-run strategies make a little more sense when you have great pitching and defense and not a lot of thunder in the lineup (at least not yet ...)

"There's one word that says it all about baseball--you never know." - Joaquin Andujar

by TheBigO on Apr 19, 2007 9:24 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree also

the simple fact is that Beane's interference with how a manager runs the ball game has always been overblown.  It makes for good newspaper copy but nothing else.  BB does not make out the lineup, and never has.  If over a long period of time a manager keeps trying to steal bases and is unsuccessful leading to losses I have no doubt that BB would be talking to the manager about it, other than that I doubt if he says anything about it.
With this lineup, and lack of power the A's have to do something to manufacture a few runs, and I really like what I see from Geren.  

by china bob on Apr 19, 2007 10:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

billy's ego

I think you're right that a big reason why Geren is running more is because Billy's Ego won't overpower Geren the way it did Macha.

Then again, Geren can't beat Billy's Ego everytime.

Joe Kennedy will start, no matter what.

by fadedash on Apr 19, 2007 10:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if that were the case

they would have skipped gaudin,but they didn't

ALLEZ LES A'S!!!

by J Rod on Apr 20, 2007 9:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent

I too have been down with Geren's aggressiveness on offense. In fact, my only quibbles early on has been his over-reliance on the bullpen when the starters probably had 15-20 more pitches in them. Oh, and leaving Stewart at the helm of the lineup (though he's breaking out in the past couple games.

by riverchat on Apr 19, 2007 11:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fire Geren Now!... then rehire him for more $$!

I like the way Bob Geren plays smallball.  He's like a tight-aggressive player at a poker table who doesn't play a lot of hands, but when he does, plays them balls to the wall!

All we needed to add was the occasional high-percentage stolen base and the occasional high-percentage bunt or hit&run...

Plus, you have to take into account that being aggressive puts more pressure on the opposing pitcher and defense.  Being too aggressive runs you out of innings.  The Angels have already lost two games by having Erick Aybar attempt a steal with two out in the ninth (once against us, thank you very much), and I seriously hope the A's win the division by two games just to make it that much more ironically painful for Mr. Scioscia and company...  

Don't get me wrong... I respect Mike Scioscia and think he's a darn good manager, just like I respect Phil Hellmuth and think he's a darn good poker player...  Still, I root for both to lose...

Keep it up, Mr. Geren, and I have faith in you that you won't overdo the smallball...  A pinch of salt makes the casserole better.  A cup of salt makes it takes like Bobby Crosby wrung his sweatsocks out over the damn thing after a road game in Arlington!

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Apr 19, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scoscia's Aggressiveness ..

.. sometimes works in his favor, sometimes not .. and what is this letting his star sophomore hurler (Weaver) throw 100+ pitches in the bitter cold night weather here in Oakland right after coming back from rehab?  That is his business but I really wondered about that? ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 19, 2007 12:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couldn't agree more Geren is doing great
Go A's!!!! www.GamingDomination.com

by 3Chavy3 on Apr 19, 2007 1:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beware the Aybar!

He's not going to try to kill you, I'm just going to try to doink you. -Rex Hudler

by JediLeroy on Apr 19, 2007 12:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only problem

Is sending Crosby.  Can we please not send Breakable anyone more?  Did you see his head first slide the other night?  I thought he was going to break something for sure.

"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Apr 19, 2007 12:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was a big time belly-flop.
I don't think being overly careful with players on the basepath is the right way to do things, however. If we didn't run injury risks, we'd be pretty much left with Kendall and Swisher.

Obviously this is hyperbole, but if you've got guys like Crosby that can steal, and a good situation presents itself, you shouldn't preclude stealing based on health status. It's not Geren's fault Bobby thought he was coming off of the high dive.

by RenoTy on Apr 19, 2007 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You should have seen Klesko today ..

.. going in head first to third .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 19, 2007 3:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crosby

is made of glass.  He's the only guy I'd object to stealing, unless he works on his sliding.  I'd just hate to lose the guy because he did a face plant on the bag.

"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Apr 19, 2007 4:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF Blez?

I already read this on baseballnooz. (;

by mikeA on Apr 19, 2007 12:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven't really thought Billy Beane...

...loathed the stolen base.  Perhaps he has very high standards to who can be considered a "base stealer," and the A's haven't had anyone reach those standards -- hence, they don't worry about it so much.

If that's the case, I wonder who, if they were on the A's, would always get the green light.  Who's the closest to Rickey Henderson in that respect in the majors today?  Reyes? Crawford?  (gulp) Chone?  Anyone at all?

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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Apr 19, 2007 1:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrnes could have stolen more bases

70 for 80 lifetime.  Especially on the mediocre hitting teams in 2003-4.  He was 27 for 30 those years.  He's been 30 for 34 since 2006 with Arizona.  Other than that I don't remember a really good base stealer that the A's wouldn't allow to run as much as he could have.  Antonio Perez might be good but he's rarely been on first.

by WaddellCanseco on Apr 19, 2007 1:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell yea

that used to frustrate me so much about the 2003-2005 teams, is espically with burns there were a few players in the lineup who could steal. We had Ray Durham in 2002 when he was still a speedy contact hitter, and he was rarely aloud to steal a base. Byrnes was a blast to watch, and im glad to see he is still taking the total wrong route on the ball, and then dive head first three feet with full extension to field a routine foul down in Arizona....

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Apr 19, 2007 8:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the way Geren is managingn so far

He has been aggresive on the basepaths but not overly aggresive.  he has moved the lineup around a little to try and get things going.  I like that he is letting his starters stretch it out a little, but not putting them in a situation where they can be tagged with the loss.  The offense will pick it up a little, Stewart I believe will be around a 275 - 300 hitter by the time the season ends and so will kendall.  Chavy is lookig pretty good Swish is leading the american league in walks, Piazza will have a nice season. hopefully Bradley can get healthy, but please oh please do not bring Dan johnson back we already know what he can do and that is be average to below average.

Go A's!!!! www.GamingDomination.com

by 3Chavy3 on Apr 19, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT - so much for the Indians beefing up the pen

.. A-Rod hit another walkoff and the Indians' pen coughed up a 6-2 lead in the ninth ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 19, 2007 1:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which Reminds Me, maybe we aren't that bad?
  • Despite a sputtering offense, we played tough competitive ball against the Yanks and took two of three; they went back to NY and swept the Indians.
  • Look at Felix, who pitched a 1-hitter against Boston after beating us, and Buehrle, who pitched a no-no against Texas after keeping us from scoring except in the first inning.
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 19, 2007 1:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And (this is on topic) Geren has a lot to do with

.. our success .. agree wholeheartedly with judicious baserunning that keeps us out of the accursed rally-killing GIDP ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 19, 2007 1:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes indeed
Go A's!!!! www.GamingDomination.com

by 3Chavy3 on Apr 19, 2007 2:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geren and the "O"

nice write up tyler.

i'd agree that geren appears to understand and seems to be able to manipulate this teams offensive efficiencies/deficiences. What i'm particularly impressed with is geren's ability to actually manage in-game offensive situations. this is a nice change from the past 7-8 years with art, and then kenny, standing at the top of the dugout steps while the a's batted with their hands in their coat pockets playing pocket pool with a stupid grins on their faces. geren though seems to actaully strategize during games. and let's be honesty here, baseball isn't rocket science-unless there is a desire to confuse oneself with notations and hypothesis that are best left to best selling books written by dudes with their newly purchased  texas instructments calculators or maybe argued with your buddy on a barstool with your favourite pint after the ballgame.

anyway, bottomline is this-the a's will win (for now) with kickass starting pitching, a lights out bullpen, strong defense @ every position (move yor feet bobby c, move yor feet dammit!!!) and a very average offense. last yr the a's offense was putrid. this yr i'm hoping for, let's say, a mild case of acid reflux that comes and goes.

it's early but i've needed to reach for the "milk of magnesia" only a few times this yr...i can live with that.

go a's    

"Where you start is not as important as where you finish."- Zig Ziglar

by bigelephant on Apr 19, 2007 2:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, BigE

That means a lot coming from you.

by Blez on Apr 19, 2007 2:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geren

The major difference is that Macha was too predictable. The hit and run and occasional stolen base keep the defense guessing and opposing manager looking for plays that may or may not take place with our runners. Geren is employing the moves as tools to score runs with a very bad offense. It has worked but we need to score more runs to take some of the pitching pressure off Kennedy, Gaudin and Blanton who can give up some runs.
Geren is impressive so far.

Morada Mudshark

by Morada Mudshark on Apr 19, 2007 8:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody feel the similarities to last season...

pertaining to Harden and Loaiza?  Harden lasted only four starts until he was taken away and never seen again except for a brief cameo late in the season. Also, it might as well have been better if Loaiza had been out for the first half last season. I really hope that Harden's injury does not keep him out longer than next Tue and that Loaiza can come back before the All-Star break.

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by OaktownRajah on Apr 19, 2007 8:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know man...

It is to familiar for comfort. When I heard on the radio broadcast that Harden was coming out of the game, it was not a suprise to me at at all. Almost like an old episode of the "Twilight Zone...."

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Apr 19, 2007 8:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Really

So far, this year is nothing like last year.  Loaiza is about to begin a moderate throwing program.  Harden's Saturday start has been pushed back to Tuesday.

  • last year Harden was truly injured in a way confirmed by MRI.  The strained elbow ligament was serious, and we are fortunate he was able to recover from that without surgery which might have made him unavailable most of this year.
  • last year Loaiza cost us problems in unproductive real game time where he got bombed; this year his stiff shoulder, and then the bulging disk in his neck, was discovered before the season began and before he had any chance to pitch and make it worse {and hurt the team in unproductive real game time}.  

We are actually doing better than some teams like Toronto who has been seriously banged up {their closer bj-ryan gone, their 3B troy glaus on DL, their LF johnson having surgery, etc}.  The Angels are badly banged up as well.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 19, 2007 11:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angels

had a lot of injuries last year, too ... a fact commonly overlooked on this site, where we tend to imagine we're the only team plagued by that problem.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Apr 20, 2007 12:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crosby and the Stolen Bag

I was thinking...

Maybe Geren realizes, if he can keep a guy like Crosby into the game by letting him run a little, it may rub off in later AB's.

If Crosby is gonna get hurt, regardless... let him run.

...as well as... Make other teams know that we do have some guys who can and will run. This does lead to "better" pitches to hit, as well as pitchouts, as well as throw-overs.

and Milton is getting "extra" time to heal his hammy???

by Fort Knox Yellow on Apr 19, 2007 9:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The funniest thing about this season...

is that with our horrible offense and our incredible pitching, it doubles the chances that we might see a shutout. Either we throw one or they do. Either way, we are gonna see some good baseball.

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 1:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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