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As Is, The A's Offense Will Be Fine

No I don’t think it will be great, but I do think it will be fine (with the usual “health permitting” disclaimer). Today, I’m here to tell you several reasons why.

  1. Jason Kendall and Shannon Stewart may not progress their batting average to their career mean (which happens to be .300), but even if their batting averages do not begin with a 3, their averages are not going to begin with a 1. Those two are simply going to hit a LOT better in the last 90% of the season than they are hitting in the season’s first 8%. Do nothing and two of our hitters will jump their batting averages over 100 points each.
  1. Failure begets failure while success begets success. The hitters are pressing right now, the failures are in their individual and collective heads, and once the offense starts to come around, it will continue to come around as the players start swinging more freely without those monkeys on their shoulders. We saw it in 2005 and we’ll see it again in 2007.
  1. The A’s have a solid nucleus in Swisher, Bradley, Chavez, and Piazza, plus Kielty against LHP. That’s a perfectly good middle-of-the-order for OBP, slugging percentage, and HR production. Meanwhile, from among Kendall, Stewart, Ellis, Buck, and eventually Kotsay, there will be enough options to find #1 and #2 hitters who are swinging the bat well and who make sense in that slot in the batting order. Right now, Geren is in the fiddling stage, trying to decide the best roles for the hitters. He can’t win with any combination right now because not enough players are swinging the bat well. Eventually, the slumps will separate themselves from the “can’t hits” and the “progression to the means” will separate themselves from the “down years,” but right now Geren and the fans are just in a holding pattern. We won’t be for long.
  1. I can’t emphasize enough how thrilled I have been with Geren’s in-game managerial decisions around the offense, and in the long run his philosophy is going to pay off in a lot of extra runs. The A’s are not running into a lot of outs but they are stealing bases as opportunities present themselves—in the form of Kendall reading the pitcher’s high leg kick, or a forgotten Chavez. Geren has utilized Kendall’s excellent bat control to put on hit-and-runs with someone reliable to make contact. He has bunted at appropriate times with Ellis and Kendall, rather than allowing rally-killing DPs, yet he has also let guys hit away (Walker vs. Bruney on Friday night comes to mind) when a bunt would just give away an out while taking the bat out of a decent hitter’s hands. Geren’s instincts seem outstanding and it is not paying off because the players aren’t executing—many of the bunts have been “right call, wrong bunt,” Kendall has fouled off most of the hit-and-run efforts, and the stolen bases have led mostly to RISP failures. But if Geren keeps setting up the offense to succeed, the offense, as it progresses to the mean, will succeed.

The offense will be fine.

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I agree with this sentiment

I also agree with the call for Beane to add better hitters into the line-up. This can be considered both a short term and long term goal.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Apr 17, 2007 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy to Criticzse . . .

. . .the manager from our view.  However we have to consider matchups, who is available to pinch hit , and who is available to play in the field.  We also must consider who is hot and not hot.  As armchair managers, we don't have the instant information or assistant coaches to help.  Just because the decision doesn't work out doesn't mean it was not the best option at the time.  

Jim

by jarforcefatherofforce on Apr 17, 2007 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diary with too much patience & reason,

comments too agreeable...  this is going to be a boring day...  ;)

"It's not like I'm tearing the cover off the ball yet." ~ Kendall ("YET???" ~ me)

by Poppy on Apr 17, 2007 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

which is, of course, your fault
"San Jose A's of Fremont" is already being mocked by Angel's fans

by ArakSOT on Apr 17, 2007 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

late-game subs for Kielty

My one complaint with Geren is that he'll leave Kielty in to face a right-handed relief pitcher. And since all of our games are nail-bitingly close, it's always an important AB.

Maybe this is just because Bradley is out and he wants to make sure there is one backup outfielder still on the bench. But Geren seems to understand that Kielty should be used in a platoon, so why doesn't he stick to that late in the game?

by colin on Apr 17, 2007 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I second that motion.  Kielty should never be hitting from the left-side of the plate unless he's laying down a bunt.  

Buck should get (and has earned) AB's late in games vs. Right-Handed Pitching.

by Colorado Fan on Apr 17, 2007 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you answered your own question

games that are nail-bitingly close and that have the potential for extra innings don't call for late substitutions when your depth is lacking.  

When Bradley/Kotsay/DJ come back, I think Geren will be more inclined to make the changes.  

Then again, if Kielty is playing instead of Stewart, I have no problem letting Kielty play the entire game.  Geren might prefer giving up one AB late in the game than having Stewart's noodle arm be involved in any decisions.  

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Kotsay/DJ get back

Either Kielty or Stewart is getting cut with the emergence of Buck as a legitimate 4th/5th outfielder.  It'll be a moot point.

by baseb3383 on Apr 17, 2007 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you mean a moo point?

You know, like a cow's opinion?

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 17, 2007 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a funny episode / line
Then again, the show had a way of doing that.  I'm have way too many classic Friends lines stuck in my head.

by Rickeyfan on Apr 17, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kielty isnt going anywhere
he's valuable in more ways than one

1.  one of the few on the team that destroys lefty pitching

2. he knows his role as a backup player. there won't be any team chemistry issues with him (cough jay payton cough)

I'd expect DiNardo and Walker to be gone.  

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are probably right
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DJ returns--->Walker leaves

Kotsay returns---->Stewart leaves.

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

Not saying I don't want it to happen, but I expect Stewart to be here for the whole year.  I think he will hit for a decent enough average that we will be stuck with his weak defense and weak power.  

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it

it will be between Stewart and Buck when Kotsay comes back, and by the point it will be glaringly evident what the right choice is. Stewart sucks at defense and has no upside whatsoever on offense.

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there a real need for

dinardo though?

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They seem to want 12 pitchers regardless

Dinardo will surely be sent down at some point, though.

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, hadn't thought it through...

When DJ comes back, Walker will almost certainly be released. At that point DJ, Buck, and Stewart will be competing for two spots vs. RHPs. I think they will defnitely play DJ, so they would either 1)start DJ and Buck, or 2)start DJ and Stewart and send Buck to AAA.

When Kotsay comes back, assuming everyone else is still healthy, DJ, Stewart, and Buck would be competing for just one spot. If Buck continues to hit well, it is hard to see how they keep Stewart. But if DJ is doing well, they could easily go with DJ/Swisher/Kotsay/Bradley and send Buck down to AAA with Stewart as a backup OFer. If anyone is interested in trading for DJ, it seems like it would be good to do that.

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Analysis but ..

.. if the results of ST taught us anything, it's that we have no clue what the A's Brass will decide .. {grin}

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buck
Buck is leading the regulars in average(.300), slugging percentage(.533), and OPS(.966).  He's ranked second among the regulars in OBP(.432).  

Buck is currently the best hitter on the A's--Including Piazza--and if he is anywhere near this production when DJ/Kots return, there is no way the A's will send him to AAA.  The A's just need productive hitters WAY too badly.

by Threepwood XX on Apr 17, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back surgery is a big deal

There's no reason to expect Kotsay to come back and play 100% after his surgery. Back injuries take a long time to heal, and sometimes they don't. Look at Crosby (I dare you). All he had was a little hairline fracture in one vertebra, and he's way below 100% still. So I don't take it for granted that Kotsay will be able to produce this year.

...so I figured, you know, why not test him.

by BubbaDude on Apr 17, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade DJ

Absolutely. I like him a lot, but he seems to be the odd one out. I love Swish at first. If Kotsay does come back strong, we could have Buck in left, Kots in center and Bradley in right with Swish at first and Kielty and Stewart on the bench (meaning they each will play every other day since Kots and Milton seem hard pressed to play more than 3-4 times/week).

I like this scenario so much better than any that involve DJ. I don't want Buck to have to go back down, I don't want Swish to be in the outfield unless it's unavoidable, I don't want DJ to be a backup 1B when we need that slot for another IF utility guy, and I especially don't want him blocking Barton next season.

Of course, it will never happen because Kots will be a question mark until the end of the season no matter what and we won't be able to get anything remarkable for DJ until he proves he can hit well in the majors for an entire year.

by broaklyn on Apr 17, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swish

I was just thinking earlier today that I loved him in CF. With his bat, if he can play even average defence in CF, it would be huge for the team. It's so much easier to find offence from the corner positions and 1B.

by MrIncognito on Apr 17, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That thought was lost....

The was all the talk on AN before he went on the DL. Nice to hear it resurface. In my dream world we trade BCrob AND DJ and possibly plus one for a new multi purpose bat. Insert position here.

by norcalfan on Apr 17, 2007 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're assuming, of course

That Bradley and Co. will be healthy.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Apr 17, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was OK in the Yankee game

In that situation, you had a right-handed reliever with the bases loaded, one out, winning run at 3rd, and all the batter has to do is to put the ball in play - since we had a fast runner at 3rd (Buck) going on contact, anything other than a come-backer to the mound or a liner (on the fly) to an infielder will probably win the game.  Even granted that Kielty has worse numbers batting from the left side, percentages would say that a lefty-batter "sees" the ball better out of the hand of a righty-pitcher and is less likely to strikeout.  And indeed Kielty did not strikeout, he put the ball in play, and we won the game.  Others may argue with this but it was Geren's decision and it worked, we won. :)  Now, in the other situations I think it may have been as you suggest, because Bradley was unavailable and thus our options on the bench were limited.  In an extra-innings game, for example, as the home team you have no guarantee that you are going to win the game in the bottom of the inning even if you have good opportunity to do so - thus you have to consider the possibility of the game going on indefinitely {having to continue to play defense infefinitely}.  So you have to keep a backup outfielder, infielder, catcher if you can. :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you guys also need to realize is EVERY

manager has the same stats we do.  If you PH for Kielty, with say Buck, then they bring in a lefty, and Buck bats against a guy who specializes in getting lefties out.  Do you want Buck in that situation.  Who else do you plan on putting up at the plate.

by theblackpearl on Apr 17, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all

there is not always a lefty ready. Second of all, Buck vs. a lefty is no worse than Kielty left-handed. Kielty is horrible left-handed and there's no reason to ever keep him in there, especially when he's batting third.

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what mikeA said
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so would you pinch hit

Stewart for Kielty late in the game vs RHP?  

I don't think I would.  

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a personal rule against

saying anything good about Stewart.

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

{agree} Me Neither

Stewart for Kielty late in the game vs RHP?  I don't think I would.

Generally agree, but especially in that Yankees game, where about the only thing that can kill your chances is a strikeout.  All the A's had to do was put the ball in play.  A lefty batter sees the ball out of a righty pitcher's hand, IMHO less likely to strikeout.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Career K-rates

Kielty vs. RHP: 20%
Stewart vs. RHP: 12%

Career BA
Kielty vs. RHP: .229
Stewart vs. RHP: .297

Clutch exists

by mikeA on Apr 17, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK you got me stat-wise ..

.. Stew not hitting anywhere near his career averages right now, so .. hehe ... {grin}

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Managers . . .

 . . . have many more stats than we do.  For example, how does the batter do against a particularly pitcher or type of pitcher or type of pitch.  Matchups are so important.

Jim

by jarforcefatherofforce on Apr 17, 2007 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem batting Kielty third

even when batting right handed. At least twice last week I saw pitchers walking Swish (in the #2 spot) to get to Kielty.

I would much rather see Piazza moved to third and Chavvy to fourth, with Walker in fifth (the heck with lefty-lefty, he's a better hitter than Kielty or Crosby).

by OaklandSi on Apr 17, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

or i'd rather see swisher moved back to third

by Haren I mean Harden on Apr 17, 2007 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

third base?

Hey, that could be fun.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 17, 2007 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what do you mean by "fine"

obviously it's not going to be great, but how good will "fine" be?  

league average?
below league average?
better than last year?
worse than last year?

"fine" enough to help the pitching win 90+ games?

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I took Nico to mean something like...

Good enough to put the A's in contention in the AL West given our excellent pitching.

CAN U HIT? Dfdng Div Chmp seeks offense. Must b rep'ment lvl+ in field (SSs ex'd). Call Billy B @ 510-638-4900.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 17, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I was thinking of 2005 that Nico mentioned

If we stay near .500 thru May, I would settle for another 48-10 run in June thru August! :)  But that is just a dream right now, that 2005 hot streak of .800 ball through the summer may not be repeated in my lifetime ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why settle for .800 ball

let's shoot for .900!

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to point 4

I was not a huge fan of the Geren hire. But so far I've been very pleased, not only with his handling of the offense and the pitchers (about which he's received much deserved praise around here) but also with his general attitude toward managing.  

For example, on a number of critical occasions, we've seen him actively setting the defense.  At similar times, Macha would, frankly, just be chewing gum.

Geren is a more active manager without being an Ozzie-Guillen-like overmanager.  It's a very nice change after too many years of Macha passivity.

CAN U HIT? Dfdng Div Chmp seeks offense. Must b rep'ment lvl+ in field (SSs ex'd). Call Billy B @ 510-638-4900.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 17, 2007 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

an outgoing and assertive ken macha
AN dharma, where suffering is optional, except with kendall.

by ak_A on Apr 17, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I HEART Bob Geren!
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 17, 2007 9:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What gives you any indication that Kendall

will improve?  The guy is in a steady decline, and except for a two month aberration of seeing-eye singles last year, he has proven time and again that he can't hit.  He rarely gets the ball out of the infield, and almost never drives the ball hard.  He can't move a runner up more than one base at a time, as the outfielders play him so shallow because they know he can't hit it over their heads.  

His arm is also terrible - the only reason he thrown out a few runners this year is that potential base stealers take liberties on him that they wouldn't dare take on an average catcher.

by iceplant on Apr 17, 2007 9:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because even during the rough spots,

Kendall is a lifetime .300 hitter. He can hit. Will he? More than likely.

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 17, 2007 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall - hit .295 last year and ..

.. his lifetime is still at .300 - which {i think} gives Nico hope that he won't still be hitting on the interstate by the year's end? (profile)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall sucks, but . . .

he is not going to hit .150 for the year.  He will hit .280/.330/.330, which will lead many people on this site to say he should be extended because he's gritty, has magical defensive qualities, and is a .300 lifetime hitter that hit "almost .300" this year.  Thankfully, Beane will listen to none of them and Kendall will be gone.  

He will be better than .150 though.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't making fun of you Randy Bell

I was drafting mine while you posted, so I didn't see yours until after I posted.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or you baseballgirl, didn't see yours either
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree and have felt for years ..

.. We need a catcher with some power .. seeing Benjie Molina hit that ball over the left-center fence at Coors field last nite made me wish, you know, someday .. we get a catcher with some pop in his bat! :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as its not actually any of the Molinas :)
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having watched suZooky in ST, I'm intrigued.

I know nothing about his catchers' intangibles but the ball does jump off his bat--and into the second deck in that one case.  

Of course, that homer was against the Giaunts, so it's hard to know about how he'll respond to major league pitching.    

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Apr 17, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a pretty bold prediction

Right now I would be happy if he could replicate his 2005 (.271/.345/.321) or his 2001 (.266/.335/.358).

For the record, both those seasons suck. It's sad that my greatest hope for a player is a moderately sucky season.

by MrIncognito on Apr 17, 2007 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad, isn't it?

When I predict that a player making $13 million will "hit" for a .660 OPS, and it's deemed optimistic.  At least we're only paying $8 million.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melhuse

Why doesn't Melhuse get the chance to play 2 or 3 times a week...I'm not sure that Kendall is that better defensively that Melhuse shouldn't be playing especially right now when the offense is struggling so badly.  He provides pop that Kendall can't and right now it is desperately needed.

by shawzy on Apr 17, 2007 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall's defense is better, he calls better game

That is the main reason.  So far as offense goes, if you look at Jason's career stats you see that his slugging percentage (SLG) has declined markedly since he's been with the A's compared to his years with the Pirates. :(  Thus he is still hitting for average, but with little authority or power.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, except that he CAN hit some HRs ...

Melhuse's career offensive stats don't look that good.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

small sample size

The guy only plays once every 2 to 3 weeks, if he got regular playing time, he has shown the ability to hit 15 homers in a season...he did hit 11 homers in 04 in just 69 games so I don't see what the harm would be in playing him twice a week he can't be any worse than Kendall offensively.

by shawzy on Apr 17, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melhuse hits homers

Last year when he filled-in for Kendall during the suspension, didn't Melhuse hit like three homers or something? That guy needs more playing time, I don't care how improved Kendall's arm is.

...so I figured, you know, why not test him.

by BubbaDude on Apr 17, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but pitching is also likely to drop

off from the level we've been seeing, as ERAs rise toward career average type numbers.  

"robots with way too much intelligence, this chick, a healthy Eric Gagne..." ~cutthemullet

by LAXile on Apr 17, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Undoubtedly

The team era will rise (particularly the starters), but I feel confident because the hitters are farther below expected performance than the pitchers are above expected performance.  I am loving the fact that we are tied with the Angels at this point.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Apr 17, 2007 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You Boston!

I am loving the fact that we are tied with the Angels at this point.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Cleveland! :) /nt
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, I am off the ledge now...

When I step back and realize our boys are 6-7, when we VERY easily could be in the 4-9 range without our stellar pitching, things really arent so bad, after all.

by nfadil4 on Apr 17, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree about Geren's offensive moves except

never ever bat Kielty 3rd.  And I wouldn't put Bradley as part of that nucleus because he is hurt 50 percent of the time.

Go A's!!!! www.GamingDomination.com

by 3Chavy3 on Apr 17, 2007 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley is {to me} an Enigma ..

.. awesome talent but like our pitcher Rich Harden, seemingly made of glass or china .. easily broken and doesn't heal quickly when broken ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like Kielty batting third

against lefties.  It shows that Geren is paying attention to career stats when he puts together a lineup rather than giving someone a slot in the lineup just because they're a star like Macha did.  I mean how long did Macha leave Chavez is the third spot in the lineup a couple of years ago mostly because of his pedigree and not the fact that he was performing.

By the way, Kielty scares me in the outfield.  He often looks like he's as bumbling as anyone, so I'm not sure that he's a defensive upgrade over Stewart except with the arm, but if he doesn't get to the ball or slides and it gets by him, the arm becomes a non-issue.  I already miss the defense of Payton-Kotsay-Bradley in the outfield so very much.  I'm back to thinking we've got T-Long, Jeremy Giambi and Eric Byrnes out there.  

by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 17, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind "righty Kielty" batting 3rd at all

The problem arises when a reliever comes in and suddenly you have a .230 hitter in the #3-hole.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 17, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never thought I'd say it.....

I can't believe how much I miss EB doing 20ft headers into the outfield wall right about now!!

by norcalfan on Apr 17, 2007 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unrelated...

But glad to see that Zito pitched a winner for the Giants yesterday.  3 hits over 6 innings, no runs.  Personally, I still love the guy, can't really blame him for bolting for the big bucks.

by ClutchSteinbach on Apr 17, 2007 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Zito too

I dont love his fastball that topped out at 85 yestereday

Go A's!!!! www.GamingDomination.com

by 3Chavy3 on Apr 17, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

That's rough. Still, that big looping curve is a thing of beauty.  

His game against Santana and the Twins in the playoffs last year was veteran pitching...not a flashy or particularly impressive game, but he pitched smart.  That may just be the type of pitcher he has become.

by ClutchSteinbach on Apr 17, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

I think it's best if we don't mention that person any more. The history books should be revised to exclude all references to him. He is dead to me.

...so I figured, you know, why not test him.

by BubbaDude on Apr 17, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zito is a good pitcher
But he does not have number one stuff.  Over the years Zitos numbers have gone down as a result of the loss of velocity on his fastball and the loss of some bite on his curveball.  In 2001 when in my opinion Zito had his most dominant year even his cy young year.  Zito's fastball was an average of 89-91 and his curveball was near unhittable.  Its not about how big your curveball is it is the bite that is has.  David Wells has a big curve but it doesn't have that filthy bite that Zito's curve had and neither does Zito's anymore.  Zito's curveball is still decent but Zito is a shadow of what he was before.
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by 3Chavy3 on Apr 17, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Long as he doesn't do it against US ..

.. in the interleague games .. {grin}

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hated it

I absolutely loved his first two starts, such typical Zito outings.

He'll have his usual season with tons of walks, something like a 13-11 record, and an ERA of over 4

$126 million HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAH

the worst contract in the history of sport.  hopefully the giants will be begging somebody to take it off their hands (which nobody will)

by SongSong on Apr 17, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really love Billy Beane

but how can the moneyball man himself build a team that can not play money ball.  In 2000 we could play money ball with Giambi, Grieve, Staris (I think we should have kept him), Chavy, Miggy, Olmedo Saenz, T Long had a pretty good rookie year too.  That is 7 guys who are capable of taking you deep at any point.

Now we have Piazza, Chavy, Swisher I would put Bradley there but you have to play to hit bombs so I wont.  Thats really only 3 guys who can take you deep consitantly and I am not really sure about Piazza's power right now.  Any way it is just really frustrating for me to go to the games and watch guys work walks in front of Kendall so he can ground into a double play.  

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by 3Chavy3 on Apr 17, 2007 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they can play moneyball

because moneyball isn't defined by guys who can hit HRs and draw walks.  

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know but it really doesnt matter if
you have guys that are more adept at grounding into double plays than hitting the long ball.  I am just not sure what this team is built to do offensively other than ground into the double play.  We lack homerun hitters, we lack speed, and we lack clutch hitters other than Scutaro.  I hope that I am wrong and that our offense can find an identity.
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by 3Chavy3 on Apr 17, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubles

The column to watch this year is doubles. The anemic Oakland A's have 25 doubles in 13 games, which is good enough to tie Boston and Detroit for #7 in the MLB. Guys who hit doubles are cheaper than guys who hit homeruns, but still pretty effectively score runs.

The problem right now is that the A's OBP is a pitiful .295, which is #27 in the MLB. If the A's are on base a lot more when those doubles come, they'll score a lot more runs.

by GlassHeart on Apr 17, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goot Pt, {unfortunately} the A's offense ..

.. is barely enough to win .. we eke out enough runs to win, but with rare exceptions it is a struggle ..  we can relish the blowouts because they are so rare ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

& there's nothing wrong with having a bad offense

if your pitching can make up for it, which Oakland's seems to do year in and year out.  

They might not be an elite team (strong offense, strong pitching), but unless they strike lightning in the homegrown-bottle with another Big Three, Tejada and Giambi they won't have an opportunity to do so so long as they remain a lower-mid market franchise.  

This just isn't an offensive minded team.  Take Chavy, Crosby, Ellis, etc for who they are and you can hopefully leave the Rolaids at home.  

That is, until the next 13 inning pitching duel.  

by fadedash on Apr 17, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

organizations keep their sluggers... IF

they have the money to do so.  It's obvious that the most prized possession is POWER.  The Yankees continually purchase more and more of it, while ignoring their pitching.  Carl Pavano & Randy Johnson were not sensible decisions and had they thought more along the lines of a healthy, young, decent ERA guy (insert Ted Lilly) than the money spent on hitting might had made some sense.

Think of the Yankees with our rotation last year?  or this year?  Scary team.

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Apr 17, 2007 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We agree there

this team is all about pitching and when everyone is healthy, a stellar defense.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 17, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DJ

When DJ gets back we will get him some ABs and see what he can do and move Stewart to the bench (Assuming MB actually plays).

I really want nothing to do with Kotsay, best case scenario with him he will still have no power to speak of, I love the defense, but if MB is healthy then Kotsays defensive value isnt that great, though I still love it!

If DJ sucks, If Kotsay sucks, If Stewart still sucks, if Crosby is still Crosby, if Kendall still sucks....and if our pitching is still awesome...bring up Murphy, Barton, and Suzuki!

Ok, clearly a retarded idea, but it would be awesome to watch:

Ellis 2B
Swisher RF
Bradley CF
Piazza DH
Chavez 3B
Buck LF
Barton 1B!
Suzuki C!
Murphy SS!

by SwisherSweet on Apr 17, 2007 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We already know what we will get out of DJ

a AAAA player.

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by 3Chavy3 on Apr 17, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murphy couldn't crack the Royals lineup, I

wouldn't put him at SS.  The only way all those changes happen, you will be watching the last place A's, and they will have to be at least 10 games out, or there won't be anything that drastic.

by theblackpearl on Apr 17, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geren

Not sure the offense will be fine, but I'm very happy with Geren so far. You're right about his decisions: in terms of strategy, line-up, pinch-hitting, and handling the pitchers he's been excellent.

What's more, if you listen to his manager's show, he always talks sense. He's clearly behind his players, positive, and exceedingly reasonable. I imagine most players will see him as likable and fair.

Geren even cited a statistic about Mark Ellis' baserunning that he took from Bill James. That he knows something like that and appreciates it (and doubtless knows more things like that and appreciates them too) puts Geren far, far ahead of old-school managers.

by RLangford on Apr 17, 2007 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it nice not to want to kill the manager?

I like Geren a lot more than Macha already.  I always feel like bashing our hitting coach because our approach sucks quite a bit of the time.

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Apr 17, 2007 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the process

1st 2 months= see what ya got
2nd 2 months= see what ya need
3rd 2 months= see what ya can get for oct.

i'm not worried about the "o" like i was last yr. these guys will come around.

or, maybe, i'm just drunk with delight that kendell will be gone soon.

dunno.

"Where you start is not as important as where you finish."- Zig Ziglar

by bigelephant on Apr 17, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good point

Yeah the worse our O performs combined with us staying close in the division... gives us a better chance to leave 'em in the dust during the stretch run of .800 ball.

Last year it was obvious for 4 mos that a major-league assembled team COULD NOT BE THAT BAD on O and, in the end, they were only mildly pathetic.  We can only hope for the same "luck" as last year.  

Let's win 2-1 tonight!  

"Shitburger, Skip?"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Apr 17, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's always good to get the reminder of how

Beane and company break down the season.  Thanks, bige.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 17, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT - Westbrook got pounded in NY

.. I guess the yankees took our their frustration on him .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OT - {good news} MRI reveals no structural damage

.. for Rich Harden .. mentioned on Marty Lurie show ...

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 17, 2007 5:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

woo hoo!!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Apr 17, 2007 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding. Now I can't wait

to hear the results on the right shoulder.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 17, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall will be re-signed

horrible but true, soon

he's definitely the starting catcher on baseball's Most Overpaid team

The A's will not have a good season with stiffs like Kendall and Bobby Crosby, who is absolutely horrible, in the lineup.  Mike Piazza is old and will come crashing down to Earth.  Not good when he's been the big bat so far.

by SongSong on Apr 17, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really really liking Geren so far

I was mildly pro-Geren to begin with, but he's even better than I expected.

I think he's been great so far in knowing when to take the starting pitcher out.  I also think he's been really good on how often to rest players and give a chance to the bench guys.

Batting Kielty 3rd a few times didn't bother me.  And I like that he kept him in against a RH pitcher sometimes.  Obviously Kielty is used primarily against lefties, but I don't think it's a good thing to have him never see righties.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Apr 17, 2007 9:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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