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Open Thread: Spring Training Game 13

Is number 13 the lucky one for Joe Kennedy?  You know, the spring training where his ERA stops climbing towards triple digits and starts heading south?  Kennedy and his A's mates travel to Peoria to take on the Seattle Mariners.

Sports psychology is extremely interesting to me.  The fact that many people speculate that a guy always steps up his game when he is entering a contract year is one of those long held beliefs that I tend to think is true.  So it wasn't surprising to hear Billy Beane and Bob Geren both basically saying that Joe Kennedy pretty much had the fifth spot in the rotation nailed down before camp ever opened in Arizona.  Kennedy is likely in his last season with the A's and about to hit unrestricted free agency.  The dollar signs are dancing around in Kennedy's head as we speak.  

At the same time, I also think there's another aspect to sports psychology that could be coming into play with Kennedy's horrific spring.  He should've probably been led to believe that he is in a dogfight between Jason Windor, Brad Halsey and Shane Komine for the fifth spot in the rotation.  Athletes, given the nature of what they do for their profession, often perform their best when they hear the knocks of youth at their financially secure door.  Competitive nature takes over and you get that extra ounce of focus and concentration that can make the difference between a Kennedy who is painting the corners with his fastball and slider and the one who is hanging sliders and serving up meatball fastballs.

The bottom line is that I know that spring training means nothing and that once Kennedy gets into the regular season and sees that huge green light of cash at the end of the tunnel, he will probably turn it on a notch.  But I still think it would've been good if he felt the hot breath of youth on his neck.  Windsor hasn't really provided that for Kennedy.  Neither has Halsey.  Komine had a good start yesterday, but that's the first time that any of the potential number five pitchers has really done anything good.  If Kennedy continues to struggle, the chances are that he will still wind up with the fifth spot simply because none of the other potential competitors have shown anything to make Geren, Beane and company to think otherwise.  And the fact remains that I still think that once the regular season hits, you will likely see a different Kennedy for the above-mentioned reasons.  Hey, it's human nature.

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I agree with what you're saying, but...

what's the significance of the number 13, exactly?

"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on Mar 12, 2007 11:20 AM PDT   0 recs

Nothing except it's

the A's 13th spring game.

by Blez on Mar 12, 2007 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ahhhh... I didn't think Kennedy was old enough..

to have attended 13 Spring Trainings (even though he's looking like Todd Van Poppel this Spring).

"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on Mar 12, 2007 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gameday
Is there a gameday link so those of us who are cheap and won't pay the $15 to the MLB to listen can follow along?

by Threepwood XX on Mar 12, 2007 1:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN the Magazine studied the contract-year thing

in its most recent issue. I don't remember all the details of the little study, but I think they determined that it was pretty much a myth. The whole study seemed off, though. They admitted that there was a small sample size and several outliers. Thank you, Adrian Beltre.

Kettlecorn! Swishercorn!

by TurnTwo on Mar 12, 2007 11:39 AM PDT   0 recs

FJM touched on this recently

    They said a Princeton study indicated "contract year" spikes in performance were illusory, but that a Baseball Prospectus study suggested a ~10% jump in performance among "prominent free agents" over the last 30 years.  I think BP's methodology is suspect though; if an otherwise non-prominent guy suddenly overperforms in his contract year, wouldn't he suddenly become "prominent" and get his spike included on the list?  And if an otherwise reasonably-prominent guy flops in his contract year, might he not plummet right of their "prominence" list and get his negative spike excluded?

(Visiting Cubs fan)

by Loon from Left on Mar 12, 2007 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Argh...here we go again!
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 11:43 AM PDT   0 recs

Dang time change!

I now have to go to class instead of being able to listen to the game at 12.

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idear to miss this one.

Kennedy vs Felix or President vs King?

Messenger from King Selig: "This is madness! There's no way this team can compete!" King Billy Beane: "Madness? THIS IS OAKLAND!!!"

by Oaktownmagical07 on Mar 12, 2007 11:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Whatever his thinking and motivation ..

.. I hope Joe_K steps it up come start of regular season .. we need him, or somebody, to give us decent outings in the fifth starting spot ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 12:37 PM PDT   0 recs

during my one diamond level game

Kennedy was the starter (second half 2005 season). I took advantage of the great seats to watch him closely. His pitching style (aiming to zip into the lower corners, mostly) was effective the first and part of the second time through the lineup. After that, however, his pitches flattened out and were very hittable. (The A's lost that game, lost the lead and couldn't get it back; however, Kotsay's two errors in that game were also a factor.)

As a reliever he has seemed to be much more effective. Of course,I realize that I'm just judging him based on that one game.

by OaklandSi on Mar 12, 2007 12:39 PM PDT   0 recs

You're not far off ..

.. Kennedy's performance as spot-starter in place of Rich Harden, in August-Sept of '05, wasn't too good ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

After one time through the batting order

as I recall from his Tampa Bay DRays days, he generally faultered.  I used to enjoy watching the games when he was pitching against the Athletics, because (it seemed) just like clockwork, 3rd to 6th inning, the A's would get a crooked number up on the board.
I like him only as a reliever

Rename Fremont to Philadelphia, and all's well with the new stadium location.

by One won lost won on Mar 12, 2007 1:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's not say ST stats mean nothing

because if they did mean nothing, jobs would not be won/lost based on them.  

And I don't know about the rest of you, but if Kennedy is sporting an ERA over 20.00 at the end of spring training, I would have him on a very short leash to start the season.

by fadedash on Mar 12, 2007 12:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed because we cannot afford ..

.. to fall something like 10 or 15 under at the end of May, like we did in '05 -- just makes the rest of the season an uphill climb.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

Did that radio commercial announcer really just pronounce "Thome" the way it's spelled?  Like it rhymes with "home"?

"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:02 PM PDT   0 recs

is this game on Bay Area radio?

and if so, is it supposed to be on 1550 AM or only on the new FM station (can't remember the number, help appreciated)?

I just turned on 1550 but the game isn't on.

thanks!

by OaklandSi on Mar 12, 2007 1:06 PM PDT   0 recs

it's on MLB Audio
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks, Randy, Poppy, others

I guess I'll just have to follow the game thread and Gameday...

by OaklandSi on Mar 12, 2007 1:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, just the MLB webcast...
"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

seattle has their 'A' team in there ..
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:06 PM PDT   0 recs

stop hitting our players!
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:08 PM PDT   0 recs

mlb radio link?

this one is on mlb radio, and I'm a subscriber, but I've been noodling around mlb.com trying to find the game link, and no f--ing luck. anyone have a direct link - i'm also on hold with mlb currently, I bet AN responds faster

by giambizombie on Mar 12, 2007 1:08 PM PDT   0 recs

I bet you're right.

Go to http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/scoreboard/20... and click the "audio" link that's above our scoreboard.

"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

here

http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index...

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

go here

http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index...

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks for the help friends

you were far faster than mlb on the phone - i just hung up - though I almost stayed on hold so i could complain

by giambizombie on Mar 12, 2007 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

nevermind

i finally went thru a few backdoors and found it  
mlb.com is such a lousy site, really, really lousy -

by giambizombie on Mar 12, 2007 1:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

XMers

it's on Ch. 178 as scheduled! Huzzah!

"San Jose A's of Fremont" is unseemly

by ArakSOT on Mar 12, 2007 1:09 PM PDT   0 recs

hehe ..
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But how are his obliques?
"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm...not good for Bocachica Wow Wow
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Do we know the lineups?

I think I missed it if Buan said it...

"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Sooooooooo...

who wants to do a play-by-play?

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Not it.

Doing (bad) data entry (badly).

"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rbi single from jose vidro, 1-0 seattle
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:16 PM PDT   0 recs

sexson rbi single 2-0 seattle
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Kennedy SUCKS!!!!
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Come on.

47.98 ERAs are underrated.

"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ST means nothing?

kennedy sure is doing a good job of throwing nothing.

2-0 m's, 2 men on, 0 outs

by fadedash on Mar 12, 2007 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

I can do a little PXP, if you want...
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

johjima retired, 2-0 seattle after one ..
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:20 PM PDT   0 recs

chavez out

3-1

dj up.

by Backspin on Mar 12, 2007 1:23 PM PDT   0 recs

anybody have the gameday link?

for some reason it seems to be harder to find this spring than it was earlier.

thanks!

by OaklandSi on Mar 12, 2007 1:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Bocachica K''s

2-0 middle of 2nd

by theblackpearl on Mar 12, 2007 1:28 PM PDT   0 recs

ANAGRAMS!!

Joe Kennedy:
Keen Joy Den
Ken Need Joy
End Keen Joy
Do Eke Jenny

Those are pretty lame.

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Gameday for those who want it.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2006...

I have a new philosophy. I'm only going to dread one day at a time

by athleticscatcher on Mar 12, 2007 1:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Eric Chavez:

Chive Craze
I Carve "Chez"
He Vice Czar

His name ain't too good either.

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Kennedy is not helping his case

Maybe using Windsor would be better. At the very least, he'll get MLB expirience.

by Zonis on Mar 12, 2007 1:34 PM PDT   0 recs

Kendall should charge the mound.
"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Komine & Hererra optioned to AAA
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:34 PM PDT   0 recs

Too fast.

For Komine, anyway.  Kennedy has done nothing to prove he would be any better as the fifth starter.  I guess Windsor's ahead of him in line.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Mar 12, 2007 2:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

did I just hear that right?

did someone just yell "Yo! Adrian!"

by Zonis on Mar 12, 2007 1:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Kennedy

throw some damn strikes.  

by sprtsnwyn on Mar 12, 2007 1:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Kennedy walks the bases loaded, Curt Young goes

to mound.  Maybe he should just pitch, can't be much worse.

by theblackpearl on Mar 12, 2007 1:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Ken Korach:

Ho Knacker (It just sounds funny!)
Hear Knock
Hare Knock
Hero Knack
Ark? Heck no!
Ken, Or Hack?

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:37 PM PDT   0 recs

yikes kennedy sucks ..

.. pardon my language ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Kennedy = not good

Supposed to get 'stretched out' to be a starter. At the current rate, if he goes five, he'll give up 10 runs. Awesome.

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Mar 12, 2007 1:40 PM PDT   0 recs

That'd be some stretching!
     At the current rate, if he goes five, he'll have to throw about seven hundred pitches.  Then we won't have to worry about having him in the rotation or the pen.
(Visiting Cubs fan)

by Loon from Left on Mar 12, 2007 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Stretching Kennedy out

"Everyone knows about it, but nobody's heard of it. Oh, it exists." ~ Dan Johnson

by Poppy on Mar 12, 2007 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jim Rome says, "Rack her!"
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Mar 12, 2007 2:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's repaying Seattle

for last season's generosity.

by Ray of Lite on Mar 12, 2007 1:43 PM PDT   0 recs

Curt Young:

Country Rug
Gun Outcry
Uncut Orgy
Gout N U Cry
No Curt Guy
Coy Nut Rug
Uncoy Trug

His name was much more fun.

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:43 PM PDT   0 recs

With those 2 runs the last inning, Kennedy saw

his ERA drop from 21.21 to 20.86.  How sad is that

by theblackpearl on Mar 12, 2007 1:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Joe Kennedy Sucks:

Dense Jockey Sunk
Seek Second Junkey

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:47 PM PDT   0 recs

offer still good for free counseling coupons

@philip -- .. free counseling, Kaiser at Redwood City psych dept has a specialist in anagram addiction .. reputed to have high success rate even with the most dysfunctional patients .. {g} ...

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 12, 2007 1:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Anagram Addiction:

A Diatonic Grandma
Among Radiant Acid
Mandarin Goat Acid
Cigar Ad Damnation
Timid Anaconda Rag
Antacid Airman God
Cannot Aid Diagram

by Philip Christy on Mar 12, 2007 1:59 PM PDT