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Buying Bonds

God forgive me for what I'm about to do, but I do think there is a good chance that the A's sign Barry Bonds now.  Heaven and earth might shake because I think I may have just agreed with Ray Ratto.  

I know two things about Billy Beane above all else and the fact remains that Beane is a businessman and he is as competitive as hell, as a good businessman usually is.  Since he views himself as a businessman more than anything else, he realizes that what the A's have done the past several seasons is to lose the casual audience.  The casual baseball audience (I would imagine that the large majority of the people that read AN do not fall into this category) comes to baseball games for the ambiance, the hot dogs and to watch a star player perform.  In other words, they're largely Giants fans.  That's what they were paying for in their experience over at SBC Park the last several seasons.  

In trading two extremely popular players that A's fans were just coming to love, the A's have largely alienated a good portion of the "hardcore" A's fan as well (that meaning many of the people here).  A bunch of people realize intellectually why it was a good thing, myself included, but I also loved Danny Haren in a way that would make Tinky Winky's purple skin crawl.  It's hard to remain above the fray and view things from an objective standpoint when you do get emotionally invested in seeing Haren drop a nasty splitter on a guy for another strikeout.

I think that ultimately what's happening is that the A's are going to realize how much their gate receipts will hurt this year.  The hardcore might still come out on occasion to see some of these young guys and their progression towards greatness, but you probably have little to no chance of attracting casuals with the current crop of players in the current stadium.  So why not sign Bonds?  Not because you're "going for it" in 2008, but because it makes a lot of business sense.  People love drama and intrigue and he will provide plenty of it.  And I think someone else brought this up in Rubin Sierra's diary, but Bonds could also be flipped to a team needing a big bat at the deadline for more of those prized prospects.

You can say, yeah, "Does the headache and circus that follows Bonds warrant that decision?" and it would be a legitimate question.  And it's probably only one that Billy Beane and Lewis Wolff can answer.  Do they really want to make A's PR director Jim Young's job a nightmare this year?  It depends on whether or not they're willing to play baseball games in front of 6,000 people this year and my personal bet is that they don't, not when you buy these teams to make money, not as a charity service.

Of course there are a couple of huge caveats in all of this.  How does Bonds legal case affect his availability and how much of a bargain does he present to the A's?  Because it doesn't make any sense to buy high on Bonds and then just break even or lose money.

NOTE TO READERS (AND BLEZ): Due to the recent storms, I have been without internet or phone since Sunday - both should be fixed later today and I should be able to post something this evening. Meanwhile, continue enjoying this thread!  -Nico

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a google search turned this up

http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/20...

112 names, including jack cust.  if pettitte, tejada, roberts, matthews, glaus, guillen and ankiel all get cut by their teams, the a's definitely should not sign bonds.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 7, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, in all fairness

the evidence against some of those guys (particularly Cust and Roberts) isn't even close to what's out there against Bonds. Roberts is "suspected" because Larry Bigbie said he overheard him talk about steroids once. Bonds is suspected because like 17 books have been written outlining virtually everything about the way he used steroids.

It may well be that Roberts and Cust used steroids, but the "evidence" currently available against them is utter garbage. Whereas the evidence against Bonds is excellent.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 7, 2008 12:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too bad most people

don't care, because we SHOULD KICK ALL THE CHEATERZ OUT 4 LIFE LOLZ!!!!1112

but i agree with your sentiments here.

"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 7, 2008 2:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOO HOO!!!!!

Oops, sorry. Never thought I'd be excited about that...but I am!

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 7, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

x2

Bonds does bring a certain level of excitement to the game despite all his baggage. But I do not see him improving our attendance as many think he alone will. Outside of having more people sit in the bleachers, a Monday night vs. the Royals will draw the usual.

by sf drift king on Jan 7, 2008 12:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dear. God. No.

As soon as I'd convinced my wife to turn to the green and gold, the one player she liked, Swish, gets traded. And now to add Bonds on that? That'll compel me to keep the A's as one of those "my hobbies only."

by sarchasmic on Jan 7, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

Overall, I just don't care anymore.  At best, Bonds will be a carnival sideshow that helps us win a few more games, generates publicity, and sells tickets both in the short term and in the long term. At worst, Bonds will be a clubhouse cancer, limit playing time for players that deserve at-bats (Denorfia, Sweeney), and cause the A's to lose hard-core fans that they may never get back while the casual fans move on after Bonds leaves.  We aren't going to make the playoffs in 2008 either with or without Bonds, so I'll leave it up to the A's to weight the other issues.

I would say, though, that the A's are stupid if they sign Bonds with the idea to flip him at the deadline for prospects.  Bonds is radioactive throughout the league, and if any other team wanted him than the A's wouldn't be considering signing him.  The A's also have to consider that Bonds would likely refuse to go anywhere else if he were traded.  Bonds has lived his entire life as if he is Will Smith in "I am Legend," and he is not going to do the A's any favors at the trade deadline.  

If the A's sign Bonds, they need to consider all the ramifications, and they need to make their decision based on the assumption that Bonds is untradeable.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 7, 2008 12:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally . . .

I think Sweeney is a fourth/fifth outfielder.  Not a fan.  Objectively, Sweeney is a guy that quite a few scouts still think will develop power, and he is at worst an above average defensive corner OF, with the potential to be an average to slightly above average CF.  I think Sweeney should start in AAA, but if his power starts to develop, he needs to come up quickly.  Sweeney has languished at AAA for three years now, and he was very pissed at being left at AAA by the White Sox.  

It would be a shame to see Sweeney (a potential part of the A's future) end up spending too much time in Sacramento because Bonds was in Oakland as a sideshow on a team winning 81 games instead of 78 in 2008.  

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 7, 2008 12:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sideshow Bonds?
cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 7, 2008 12:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's out of options isn't he?

So on that basis we need to see what we've got with him.

by OldhamA on Jan 7, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Low attendance solution

Just tarp the second deck.  That way it will make the Coliseum feel even more intimate and will drive up demand for the remaining 5000 seats.  Actually, let's tarp the whole place except for the sections behind home plate.  Think of the money the A's will save on security guards and janitors!  Then there will be no need to sign Pumpkin Head.

by EastBayTeam on Jan 7, 2008 12:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pumpkin Head?

Why would Beane sign Tim Russert?

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 12:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're signing "hey" arnold?

oh wait, that's football head. sorry.

"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 7, 2008 2:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Banjo man wouldn't have to walk around

...and a lot fewer of those dopey supervisors in suits that seem to just scamper about for no reason.

by Mark H on Jan 7, 2008 4:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less places for the kids to smoke weed though

But there's always the clubhouse restrooms for illegal drug-taking.

by EastBayTeam on Jan 7, 2008 5:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

More tarps = giant stadium hotbox!!

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jan 8, 2008 12:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah!

and if we're going to hotbox the tarps, we should sign Snoop Dogg, not Bonds!  That'll draw the fans!

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 8, 2008 11:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get out of here Curtis

I don't hear you unless you knock.

Anything to make it through a rebuilding year in which the only team rebuilding is in Sacramento.

by EastBayTeam on Jan 8, 2008 10:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another good thing about Bonds....

is what I would like to term the "Rich Aurilia" effect.  The person who hits front in Bonds will see his fair share of fastballs and may indeed have a career season like Rich's 2001 (obviously unlikely to be THAT good).    If we put a good fastball hitter there (mayhaps our own mid-20s SS?) we could then try to take advantage in this increase in value.  

Then again, I have no proof that would actually happen, but I'm now just dreaming of new ways to unload BoCro.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jan 7, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would be awesome!

we could bat Swisher in front of him!   Oh, wait...   dammit!

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 8, 2008 11:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree on outcome, disagree on motivation

I think Beane will likely sign Bonds -- but because he's the best FA available, a good replacement bat for Swisher, a likely (relative) bargain due to other teams being scared off, and because of the potential to spin him off midseason for prospects or potentially garner a Type A compensation pick in '09.

As I've said before when people impute PR/ticket-sales motivations to Beane, I can't think of a single move he's ever made designed with such motivations. I'm open to being convinced, but I've seen no evidence of it.

This also goes against the entire direction of the franchise during Beane's tenure -- the A's in recent memory have either (depending on how jaundiced one is) neglected to make successful overtures to casual fans, or actively discouraged casual (and longtime dedicated) fans to "artificially" depress attendance.

What's more, there are plenty of other cheaper and/or more effective ways that the A's could shore up and expand their current fanbase.

If Beane does sign Bonds, it'll be a 100% on-field performance-vs.-budget decision.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honest question

Why would the A's want to "actively discourage casual (and longtime dedicated) fans to "artificially" depress attendance"?

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 7, 2008 12:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yuck

I sincerely doubt Bonds would sign without a no-trade clause, so I don't think the idea of flipping him midseason would work.  

People will definitely show up to see him, I'm sure, but if they sign him,  I will be wearing a paper bag over my head for every one of his Coliseum ABs.

by Brian in 317 on Jan 7, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sure

but if he signs in oakland, and he wants a ring, why would he put a NTC in there, at least a full one? maybe if there was a handshake agreement, kinda like how piazza didn't get traded to the twins.

"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 7, 2008 2:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the point here being Bonds

desire for a ring.  I don't doubt that Bonds would want to be traded at the deadline....as long as it is to a contending team.  It's in his self interest, which in the world of BB's is paramount.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 7, 2008 2:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think you guys "get" Bonds

Maybe I don't either, but I've been watching this guy since the Pirates drafted him twenty odd years ago, and it seems to me  that the one thing Barry wants is to have control.  I just don't think "earning a ring" is a priority, or really ever has been, for Barry.  Now, if he had a trade veto option, that might be a different story, but I really don't think Billy would give him one, nor do I think Billy wants the "Historical Milo All Star LF" in his clubhouse either, so this whole conversation is probably  a waste of time (I hope).

by Brian in 317 on Jan 9, 2008 7:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question is, does Bonds still want to be an A?

If one of his stated goals for returning to play this season is the chance to win a ring, he has to know that he has practically no chance of doing so in Oakland.  And, as Brian in 317 points out above, there's little chance he will sign a contract that allows him to be traded to anybody.  Combine those two things, and I have to think he's more likely to end up somewhere like Anaheim or San Diego than he is Oakland.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jan 7, 2008 12:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's more ...

... I think sign-Bonds-to-increase-attendance is a canard, because by signing Bonds, Beane would alienate and lose nearly as many diehard and casual A's fans as he would gain.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 12:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I've never bought the Bonds-will-increase-attendance thing. There's really no way of knowing, though.

It starts with rule No. 1 from coach Don Nelson: Shoot the ball.

by mikeA on Jan 7, 2008 12:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sort of thing is simple to market-test

I would think that if Beane were to make any sort of PR/attendance-driven personnel decision, he'd want to mitigate risk as much as (or more than) he does with on-field performance.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 12:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cost/benefit

Each fan that comes to the Coliseum is worth $25 in revenue ($15 "adjusted" ticket + $10 concessions). Any player that would be brought in would have to at the very least break even from a revenue standpoint. Therefore a $10 million player would have to bring in an addition 400,000 fans through the turnstiles, fewer for a cheaper player. Putting aside hard-to-measure issues such as hardcore fan alienation, how many additional fans would Player X bring in?

There really isn't anything stopping Billy from going whole hog down the Marlins fire sale route except fan alienation. However, whether the A's have a $25 or $45 million payroll, their revenue sharing receipt won't vary much.

by vertig0 on Jan 7, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But seriously

How many diehard and casual A's fans would boycott the team permanently if the A's signed Bonds?  20 people, 100?  5% of the total fan base, 1%?

I'm pretty sure the worse case scenario for the end result is a wash.

by methodrampage on Jan 7, 2008 2:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would be very surprised,

shocked even (to use an expression favored by high level baseball executives) , if the A's sign Bonds.

It starts with rule No. 1 from coach Don Nelson: Shoot the ball.

by mikeA on Jan 7, 2008 12:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he probably doesn't take away ABs

from guys we want in the long run. cust will be an OF/DH (bonds doesn't play every day). barton stays at 1B. bonds also probably helps us win a few games cuz dude can hit a ton. DJ spells barton at 1b from time to time, and bonds/cust at DH, but since he isn't in our long-term plans, it doesn't matter that much. having bonds also helps us not rush up young guys before they're ready - i want gonzalez to spend most of the year in AAA getting his batting eye better. if he does really well, yeah, we can spin him off for some good prospects at the trade deadline. also, he almost certainly helps chavez (protection in the lineup), so he enhances his trade value as well if we really want to unload at the trade deadline. all in all, i suspect, like chavez, that if bonds plays in '08, it'll probably be in oakland.

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Jan 7, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of Chavez

If Bonds is signed, Chavy will get a ton more fastballs to hit instead of those sliders in the dirt.

by AAAAAces on Jan 7, 2008 5:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like to think

that "Hardcore" fans would still show up for games in 2008 because they are in fact "hardcore" fans.  You go to games because you're an A's fan, not because you're a bandwaggoner.  "Hardcore" means you still buy your season tickets even though the team may loose 90 games....THAT is HARDCORE.

"hunting for fresh meat"

by Masaryk on Jan 7, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds is everything I dispise about baseball

If you are one of those who annually purchases tickets to 81 regular season games and goes to over 90% of them my hat is off to you.  Some of us have lives other than the A's.  We still consider ourselves dedicated fans through the good and bad times, i.e. we go to 20+ games a year and follow the team religously.  Personally I fall into the later category.  One thing I will not do is root for the A's when Barry Bond's is a part of the organization.  As hard as it would be, I will never go to an A's game as long A's Barry Bonds is on the A's payroll.  I'm not the only one out there who feels that way.

by BHooves78 on Jan 7, 2008 2:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hardcore fans are masochists!

fair weather fans are much happier, because they're always rooting for a winner, whoever that winner might be!

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 8, 2008 11:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They raised ticket prices

and then gutted the team.  How about some bargain packages for those of us who are willing to come for a Tuesday night vs. the Royals?  I'd hate for it to be just me and the parents.  Still a no vote on Bonds, BTW.

"The worst day on a ball field is better than the best day in any office." - David Wright

by kkdaz on Jan 7, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds or no Bonds or

recent trade controversies or not...all rendered moot if we are competitive in 2008.

Hey,you gonna watch the A's, your team, in the AL playoffs tongight on Fox?
Nah, I am still pissed over Swisher's trade and I can't stand joe buck.
   right.

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Jan 7, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good business vs. Good Environment

Maybe this is just me being naive, but having a relatively cancer-free clubhouse atmosphere where the myriad of young players that will be coming up in the next 12-18 months can fit in comfortably and experience growing pains without the aura of the most hated man in sports lurking overhead seems like it should be a higher priority for this organization than simply winning a couple more games or selling a few more tickets during a non-competitive season.

I just hope Beane feels the same way...

by Taj Adib on Jan 7, 2008 1:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cancer-free clubhouse?

Why would Beane sign Jim Leyland?

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 2:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

albeit a morbid one.

"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 7, 2008 2:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim Leyland

is a hell of a manager...   A lot better than the chump we've got now...

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 8, 2008 11:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think some folks are making a little to

much out of the "clubhouse cancer" thing.  Look, Bonds the Giant chasing the HR record is not the guy who will be signed by the A's.  Does anyone doubt that if Beane were to sign him that he wouldn't spell out his role for him very clearly?  There's room for only one alpha ego on the A's....and it sure as hell isn't going to belong to Barry Lamar Bonds.  I can't imagine there is anyone in baseball who doubts that Billy Beane will do exactly what he says he will do with his team.  If Barry acts the fool he will be out the door in short order with nowhere left to go in baseball.  Bonds knows this, and more importantly, Billy knows this.

Bonds could very well be a tremendously positive influence on a core group of young hitters.  Does anyone doubt that he is the greatest hitter of his generation....maybe the best in all of baseball.  I'm okay with Bonds on the A's, as long as it's on Beane's terms.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 7, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

Everything about Bonds, the A's, and our love/hate of them - and him - changes if he comes over.

If he's knocking Barton, Buck, and Eric in all over the place, a lot of the Bonds boo-ers are gonna be changing their tune. If he bats .200 and goes to jail, we'll all at least have something to talk about. (Not to mention something to criticize Billy about, other than the Chris Singleton signing.)

A lot moralistic Anti-Bonds types seem to be letting him ruin the whole thing for them. I can't imagine Bonds making me like them A's less. That's seriously letting someone get to you, especially someone you don't even know personally. If Bonds comes over, I'm looking forward to A's fans lightening up on the whole thing.

C'mon guys and gals! This could be fun!

by Mark H on Jan 7, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like rooting for and against Bonds....

When Bonds comes up, I yell, "Hit it out, you arrogant jerk!" or "Smack one hard, you big headed circus freak!"

I can do that no matter what uniform he's wearing...

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 8, 2008 11:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

Perhaps I'm just too uncritical, but I don't believe all the negatives people project for BBonds being on the team.  There are no secrets about what he can and cannot do, at his age of 40+.  I heard the Gi-rants players talking him up in 2006 and 2007 as a "posititve".

And Beane is a very hands on guy.  I don't think he'd let Bonds run amok to the detriment of the team (see Bradley, Milton).

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 7, 2008 7:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bonds PR

Although he already broke the record, there will be plenty of bad PR about the pending legal issues that hang over his head.

But, bad PR is good PR right? I dont mind Bonds on the team if he makes a contribution to the hitting skills of some of our newbie young guns, or if he puts a few butts in the seats, or if he helps win a few games. I know there are so many players out there who use/abuse perf enhancing substances that are still under the radar; so be it.

Controversy is good for Baseball. The only thing I don't like about Bonds is his arrogance-- that's it.
That didn't stop me from rooting for Gretsky though.

by dtownmbrown on Jan 8, 2008 9:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds' arrogance

Bonds' arrogance did not stop you from rooting for Gretsky.  Well, good.

Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!

by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 8, 2008 12:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To the owner of this site

You're an idiot

by NewPosterMojo on Jan 7, 2008 4:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NPM -- we barely knew ye. Don't let the door, etc
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 7, 2008 4:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he comes to Barry Blez, not to praise him
Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 4:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, no, that's "Your an idiot!!!1"

You misspelled it.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 7, 2008 5:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

whatever that means...

by plrraz on Jan 7, 2008 5:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way on Bonds

I have supported the A's since 68 and I have been there for the good, bad and the truly ugly. I will go and suppot the A's no matter what their season looks like; but if BB signs Bonds, I will not go to one game! He is a cancer! The A's are like the little train that could. That has been their appeal. Signing Bonds puts them into the slimeball category. You should be at the forefront of what the A's are about, instead you are putting us into the gutter! Integrity matters.

by lostin1965 on Jan 7, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since 68?

I've been a fan since the early seventies, and while you liken the A's to "the little train that could", history says that the A's also had powerhouse steamroller teams in the early 70's and late 80's.

Team characteristics change, and hopefully the economics of baseball will change to the point where the A's can actually keep their players...forget JUST revenue sharing, I want a salary Cap & Floor, as well...

As far as "integrity" mattering, what do you say regarding BigMac, Canseco, Tejada, and others that played for the green and gold...

I'm not saying I necessarily want Bonds on the team, but to put him in the "slimeball" catagory as if he is the first and only to do roids doesnt strike me as the right reason, as so many have been fingered/accused and it just seems like Bonds is the convenient scapegoat, because he is an a**hole according to most accounts.

by plrraz on Jan 7, 2008 5:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's be honest with ourselves

We're the little team that could, and we're also the little team that helped popularize steroids throughout baseball, via our beefy Bash Bros Jose and Mark.  To act like the A's never had anything to with steroids and that signing Barry would be a step down is just forgetting our own history.  There may be good reasons for not signing Bonds, but we can't act like we have a pristine rep to besmirch.

by stormtown on Jan 7, 2008 5:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds is *not* a Cancer

He's a Leo. But he is only 2 days off of being a Cancer.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 5:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Giants fans will be in our stadium to

see their idol. I think more Giants fans show up than A's fans leave. So it is a plus for attendance and maybe some of those fans stay after the season ends.  It's something to think about but ...I no longer care one way or the other. I was excited for Barry because I thought we would be contenders for the division or wildcasrd this year. Not contenders for 4th place in the division.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 7, 2008 6:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blez... you're agreeing with Ratto?

God will not forgive.

You're so going to Hell!!!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jan 7, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RATS!

So basically you are saying is that Blez is going to get free passes to Angel Stadium?

Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!

by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 7, 2008 7:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

An all expense paid move to Fresno.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jan 7, 2008 7:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turlock

?

Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!

by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 7, 2008 7:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cudahy.

(said firmly).

Fresno and Turlock too close to Yosemite and environs.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 7, 2008 7:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thou darest mock the

bread basket of the world?  Not to mention the Raisin capital?  The Ag mafia will certainly be sending four giant singing raisins to pay you a midnight visit.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 8, 2008 3:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you hear that through the grapevine?
"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Jan 8, 2008 6:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

The bread basket of the world?

Fresno's a bit player in the San Joaquin Valley. They grow raisins because the grapes there can't compare to the vineyards around Bakersfield.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jan 8, 2008 8:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You certainly can't be implying

that the vintage of Nashville west is in any way comparable to the Northern Mecca of Fresno.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 8, 2008 2:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds at what price?

Bonds as DH for ~125 games - factoring in nagging injuries (and really, 125 games would be the upper end  of what he can do these days) and age, and the fact that he'll have to worry about the feds, and he's moving to a better league with a park less accepting of his "yank the ball down the line" home runs and he's not actually much better than Jack Cust.

Last season, Bonds' WARP3 (I know, some people don't like it.) was 7.0. Cust's was 6.2. Even if the .8 Win difference remains, why on earth would the A's pay Bonds to put up a performance that isn't really any better? He's not that much of a draw - especially in Oakland. People want Bonds to go away.

So unless Bonds is willing to sign for $4-5 million (and that's a bit of a stretch), he's not worth it.

And, again, that ignores the fact that many fans would rather see him in a real life Final Destination scenario than on a baseball field. From a baseball standpoint, it's not a good idea.

by thejd44 on Jan 7, 2008 7:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You brought up an interesting point

in that as a "lower-paid" player, instead of the highest-paid on the club, Bonds would have to take on a "less-privileged" outlook, and it might improve his production.

I say $3mill tops!

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 7, 2008 8:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds to boost Chavez?

Someone above mentioned that Chavez might see a lot more fast balls hitting in front of Bonds.

If we add Bonds we might gain a decent trading chip come the deadline but what would Bonds' presence in the lineup do for Chavez' value?  Chavez can't be in the teams future plans and his value is at an all-time low but could hitting in front of Bonds boost his value?  If so, we could be looking at another decent trading chip.

In any case if the addition of Bonds also makes someone else more valuable then I don't see what we've got to lose.

by methodrampage on Jan 8, 2008 8:04 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our self respect?
"The worst day on a ball field is better than the best day in any office." - David Wright

by kkdaz on Jan 8, 2008 8:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So over-rated

Self respect, I mean.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jan 8, 2008 8:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heck

I'd trade your self respect for a bag of baseballs!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jan 8, 2008 9:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This whole thread got me thinking

about the philosophies of "long term players" and "rooting for the uniform" once again.

The Yankees still have a "core" from their 1996-2000 run: Jeter, Rivera, Posada... Plus they've had a few long term players besides.  I think (IMO) you build up better attendance, better revenues, when you have long term players play for your team.  I've come around to that thinking.  After all, a "2006" type of winning season for the Athletics did not parlay into increased attendance in 2007.  Only KC and Tampa Bay did worse with home attendance.  I think, "Win or lose, these are my guys" builds more fan loyalty than simply "this year's winners".  And builds greater attendance, and especially, the all-important "bridging attendance", where sons follow the fathers as game attendees, and share the same passion for the team.  

Passion for a team, I'm beginning to formulate, starts with a certain collection of players.  If that collection stays intact, the "passion" gets more 'productive' for the team: more games attended, souvenirs, etc.  If that passion recedes into "let's go to a game, Ripkin is in town" type of reasoning, then ticket prices, seating, parking fees, costly beers, they all become reasons not to go to a game.

If you are "Passionate" however, those costs get ignored.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 8, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the reptile... followed by the egg...

...then the radiation, then the mutation, then the chicken...

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 8, 2008 3:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh I get it.

The reptile, being a sub .500 team being completely composed of AAAA players whom are easily retainable at the major league level, came first.  

And then the egg showed up.  The egg being, of course, a rabid-diehard fanbase just has just grown to love a sub .500 team that has been composed entirely of the same AAAA players for the last 10 years.

Ah, then the radiation (PEDs) come along.

These PEDs then "mutate" the reptile (or the egg (or is the reptile the fanbase and the egg the AAAA team?)).

Thus the end result of the mutation being the chicken or the Yankees, err wait, nevermind I'm pretty much lost at this point.

by methodrampage on Jan 8, 2008 3:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonds

So would Bonds replace Buck in LF, or Dan Johnson at DH?  Or a little of both??

Is there any concern about the great number of left handed bats that the A's have?  They are already loaded with left handed bats from the #2 thru #7 spots in their lineup.  I guess it could be a good thing in some cases as their aren't a whole lot of left handed starters in the AL West, but they are pretty suspeptable to the late inning LOOGY or left handed relief pitcher.

vr, Xeifrank

Author of: DodgerSims blog

by xeifrank on Jan 8, 2008 3:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DJ at DH?

What are we trying to do, field the worst hitting DH ever?  DJ shouldn't make the team.  Bonds would DH, which would push Cust to RF.

by methodrampage on Jan 8, 2008 3:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hear, hear!

Please, PLEASE don't let Dan Johnson be on this team.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jan 9, 2008 7:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It may be at least partially a consequence

of Anaheim's near-total eschewal of left-handed relief (and starting, for that matter) pitching in recent years.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 8, 2008 4:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Nico -- gotta light?

Better grab your, uh, woolies.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 10:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Light is the one thing I have -

but neither phone nor internet came back yesterday. Still hermitified as of this morning. Sigh.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 9, 2008 9:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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