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So Am I Wrong About Bobby Crosby?

Most of you have probably seen Mychael Urban’s article on the middle infield, but I thought it was worth taking another look at the Crosby section, especially when my personal position appears to be in direct opposition.

On the other side of second base for the A's this year will again be the unfortunate soul whose recent injury history has turned him into anything but a Sure Thing in the minds of many A's fans.

Shortstop Bobby Crosby, the 2004 American League Rookie of the Year, has made five trips to the disabled list over the past three seasons, limiting him to fewer than 100 games each year, and he bottomed out in 2007 by batting .226 with eight homers, 31 RBIs and a .278 on-base percentage -- all career lows -- before missing the final 62 games with a broken bone in his left hand.

As a result, Crosby, who turned 27 earlier this month, has been the target of some vicious criticism on blogs and Web message boards. Among the printable labels with which he's been affixed are "bust," "fragile" and "useless."

Well, I object from the get-go on behalf of my contribution to this blog. I believe I had the temerity to use labels such as "overrated", "undisciplined", and "for-the-love-of-everything-sacred-and-holy-in-the-game-of-baseball-should-not-be-batting-third".

Crosby's teammates, however, virtually jump to his defense, calling the criticism unfair at best. And Ellis is at the front of the line.

Mark Ellis is adorable, but an unreliable witness. What is he supposed to say? "You know, Crosby kind of sucks at the plate?"  

"I don't think it's fair at all," Ellis sternly offered when the topic surfaced in September. "He's out right now with a broken hand because he got hit by a 98-mph fastball. He's been on the DL with a broken ankle [2005] after a collision at home plate. He's been on the DL after getting drilled in the ribs [2005]. He's missed time after getting spiked at the bag [2006]. That kind of stuff happens in this game. It's not like he's sitting out with something you can't see on an X-ray or with your own eyes. It's not like he's dogging it in rehab. "He's just been super unlucky. Sooner or later, his luck's going to turn and he's going to be the player that everyone in this room knows he can be."

Okay, see, I agree with the injury portion of the article. I don’t blame Crosby for his injuries. If you can truly label someone ‘prone to freak, not reoccurring, injuries’, Crosby would have that stuck to his forehead. It’s not his fault that he’s been injured, and just to set the record straight, I am not objecting to Crosby as a baseball player because I feel that he’s an injury risk. However, I could have been the person who broached the logical follow-up inquiry:

When it was pointed out to Geren that Crosby wasn't particularly good when he was healthy last season, he bristled.

Why? That seems like a simple observation to me.

"For one thing, he missed out on most of last offseason because of back problems that cost him time in Spring Training, and that impacts you for longer than some people might realize," Geren explained. "I don't think anybody in the organization is down on Bobby at all, because we know he's had some freak injuries over the past few years, and we know how hard that can be on a guy's development. You get hurt, you come back, you start to feel like you're getting back on track, and then you get hurt again and have to start all over again.

"That's what it's been like for Bobby since his rookie year. He gets off track, he gets on track, he gets knocked off again. When you miss time with injuries and you're always coming back, you're going to struggle to find your way until you can get an entire healthy offseason, a full Spring Training and a healthy season all put together, one after another. That's all Bobby needs. I truly believe that."

"He's ready to go," Geren said. "I'll tell you what, he's a guy I'm really pulling for. He deserves a nice run of good health here, and when he gets it, you're going to see a pretty special player."

I realize that injuries (especially back injuries) will affect overall performance as a player tries to put together a full season of stats, but isn’t it illogical to assume that a player will be a superstar simply because he’s healthy? In my opinion (and feel free to disagree), Bobby Crosby, even during his healthy year(s), didn’t show even a flash of this quality, which leads me to believe that Crosby’s injuries may actually be unrelated to his baseline talent.

There is a reason A’s fans cling to the dream of Rich Harden--despite his very real (and very earned) label of "fragile"--when healthy, Harden is among the elite pitchers in the entire league. He hasn’t had much of a chance to prove it, but the talent is there, even as a faint memory over the last few years. I can’t put Crosby in even the same conversation, even though I think it’s a thousand percent more likely for Crosby to finish a full season than Harden.

Crosby not only hasn’t teased us with the promise of greatness; right now, many doubt he can even be a serviceable major league hitter, despite what the A’s party line is. I realize I am not a scout, nor a GM, nor a manager, nor in any real way connected to or employed by the Oakland A’s, but I have seen Crosby in probably two-thirds of his major league plate appearances. If there’s a tremendous amount of potential there, it is swallowed up by The Bases-Loaded Popup and the Slider Three Feet Off The Plate. And until I can get a real answer for fundamental batting problems, including a seeming refusal to adjust at the plate, I simply can’t buy the hard-luck injury smoke-and-mirrors story as explaining away what frustrates me about this particular player.

Yet at the same time, I am sad, because I want Crosby to be good. He looks great out there; all shiny in his uniform, with a body that fits the quintessential baseball mold, a dad who played the game and was a part of the organization, and a real, likable personality that would serve him well in the limelight.

I’m just not convinced he’ll ever be in it.

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You all realize, of course...

...that I have just set up Bobby Crosby to be the AL MVP, yeah?

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 22, 2008 11:42 PM PST   0 recs

comeback player of the year

Would be nice.  Something like 20Hrs, 85 RBI, 170 hits...

Thanks for not drinking the koolaid on this one BBG, but I want to be optimistic, if unrealistic.

by Brian in 317 on Jan 23, 2008 6:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

No KoolAid here...

...it's too much of a stretch, even for me, who very badly wants to be optimistic about this team!

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 8:37 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

hey, sit in the third deck

and drink all you can Koolaid, it's on the A's

;-)

by OaklandSi on Jan 23, 2008 11:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

It took us way too long to get there

in the other thread, but in the end Rene Descartes said it best:

                               Crosbito ergo suck

.

by green star oakland on Jan 23, 2008 12:02 AM PST   0 recs

I agrre with mos of what you said..

but.

"Bobby Crosby, even during his healthy year(s), didn’t show even a flash of this quality"

Isnt quite true. In 2005 after he came back in June he was hitting above 300 for a good 2 months. He got hurt again late in August and wasnt heard from again since then. But he has good for those two months.

by Syphon on Jan 23, 2008 12:17 AM PST   0 recs

I also remember that stretch..

and didn't the A's have a like a .900 winning % in games he played that year?

I seem to remember Macha gushing about him then.

I'm still waiting for a good long healthy stint before I pass my final judgement..  the poor guy hasn't had anytime to develope since that first season..

by tosk on Jan 23, 2008 4:56 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

If I had to guess...

...I'd say the winning streak had more to do with timing, teams played, and starting pitching than Crosby in the lineup.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 8:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Blasphemy
What are they going to do...send you to baseball jail?

by methodrampage on Jan 23, 2008 8:50 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The number of horrible, useless players to have 2

good months is exactly why "sample size" is such an important term in statistical analysis.

So Crosby's had 2 good months and, like, 4 years of medicore to downright below replacement level performance. Got it.

by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2008 2:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I didnt say he was good..

I was just saying he had the potential. Some people just didnt think that potential was even there.

by Syphon on Jan 23, 2008 2:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

when i grow up

I want to write like bbg.

good stuff.

This is a tough one for me, because I'll support a player unless he's flat-out dogging it (not to suggest that Crosby doesn't have your support, bbg).

At the same time I've cringed way too many times when Crosby has strolled to the plate in a critical spot of a game. Then again I've done the same with Senor Glove de Oro.

While I agree that a healthy Harden outdistances a healthy Crosby, and is more important to our overall success, I'd like to reserve judgement until BC can actually get in a full (for him) season.

Let's not forget what injuries can do to a player's confidence also. And surely Crosby knows what's being said about him; that can't help either.

Some players have the makeup to rise above such things. It doesn't appear that Crosby is one of them.

"Baseball- like movies, newspapers, and magazines- has fallen into the hands of rich, vulgar people who neither love or understand it." - Hal Crowther

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 23, 2008 5:41 AM PST   0 recs

I just wish Crosby would go away so we can

finally get over the "what if" questions (same goes for Harden).

by Bacon on Jan 23, 2008 5:47 AM PST   0 recs

Crosby

I voted with Geren's view.

I remember the stretch a couple of years ago when Crosby came off the DL mid season and hit very well for a couple of months, with some power, and helped the A's with a good run.  I've thought (and hoped) that was the real Bobby Crosby.  It is possible!  The A's currently need a good right handed bat.  The Crosby of 2005 would fill that role nicely.  

The A's player I was always uneasy with when he came to bat in critical spots was Swisher.  I'd think, I wish he'd learn to make contact!  We do have our differences in how we see it.

I'm encouraged with how the majority of the A's players and management see Crosby's potential.  Baseball is these guy's full time job, and supposedly they have some expertise at the game.  At least that's the theory.

by racodd on Jan 23, 2008 7:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The A's player I was always uneasy with when

he came up in the critical spot was all of them.

damn. last year was a frustrating season.

by tosk on Jan 23, 2008 8:07 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha!!!

That is one great line.

The A's player I was always uneasy with when he came up in the critical spot was all of them.

So sad...so true.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 8:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

For what it's worth

That "hit very well for a couple of months" was actually 1 month. June 2005. He went .337/.394/.568 over a 24 game span in June 2005. He returned to typical Crosbian levels of mediocrity with a .718 OPS the next month.

So now we're basing how good a bad player is based on one fluke month 3 years ago? Seriously?

by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2008 2:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hence the importance of a sample size
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 2:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Me too, actually.

I want to hear why; I really do.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 8:39 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

So true

I voted for Geren’s opinion because even when Crosby is healthy he still looks like a handycapper in the box.

What are they going to do...send you to baseball jail?

by methodrampage on Jan 23, 2008 8:56 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think Crosby may be one of those enigmas...

guys who look like they've got all the tools but somehow just never seem to be able to put it all together. I think maybe Crosby's major league lineage and all the support from the A's organization may be working against him, making him feel like he's destined to do well, instead of like a guy who's got to scratch and claw to hold onto his job. And remember this about about Geren and the orginization, if they ever publically give up on him he'll have no trade value at all, even though it's not like he has much now.

"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Jan 23, 2008 7:52 AM PST   0 recs

I'm probably the one referred to,

if anyone, in that probably no front page writer has been as negative about Crosby's past, present, and future as I have been. But I stand by the analysis because 1-2 good months scattered in among failure does not warrant a lot of praise or hope. Remember Kevin Maas? I didn't think so. How 'bout that Colby Lewis retiring 24 in a row? Uh-huh.

Crosby is a poor hitter with poor mechanics and a complete inability to adjust. As a result he consistently hits between .230-.245 with a putrid OBP. The guy's a good fielder. Unfair?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 23, 2008 8:22 AM PST   0 recs

Not at all.
Crosby is a poor hitter with poor mechanics and a complete inability to adjust. As a result he consistently hits between .230-.245 with a putrid OBP. The guy's a good fielder.

Couldn't agree more, honestly. He hasn't shown me anything differently, despite what they're trying to sell us.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 8:34 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Slight caveat

I mostly agree that Crosby has proven he can't adjust to a smart pitcher's approach.  I will, though, echo what Nick has said here a number of times:  in early 2007 it looked a lot like Crosby was trying to make the swing changes so many of us had been demanding:  shortened stroke, less violent flailing, don't chase low and away.  

Problem is, breaking down and re-making the stroke one had used for his entire life is a huge undertaking, not to be quickly accomplished.  Crosby sucked with the new approach for six weeks or so, then reverted to form, and sucked some more.  So i conclude he'll never fundamentally adjust, but I don't think it's quite accurate to suggest he hasn't tried at all.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 23, 2008 9:47 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with your observation, FSU

I think he has attempted to adjust.  But, there is a tendency, in all sports as well as in many other endeavors, to use "what it was that got me here."  Remember, Crosby had success at every level up to MLB with the violent swing, the stance away from the plate, etc.

And, he has had a few home runs in MLB.  Successes! So the tendency is to "revert to form".  I'm certain he attempted to "adjust" and take Todd Van B's advice, who commented "He's standing about a million miles from the plate."  You won't hear many coaches actually describe what they think about a particular player, so I take it as highly significant when such a comment leaks out.  To me, it indicates that the observation was made, passed to the player, who then did not act as if it was understood, comment made again... repeated, culminating in the "million miles" comment mentioned to the broadcasters (and passed on to the public).

When I hear about a player who is "potentially great, but has been hurt" I think of J.D. Drew. He had his ".242" and ".252" years.  Sure, his numbers are down when he's been hurt, but unlike Crosby he has shown enough to tell you that, without the injuries, he could resume a certain level of competence.  I don't think that's there for Crosby. At minimum, we just have not seen it beyond a month or two.  And IMHO a month-long episode doesn't cut it as demonstrable of  long term competency (ie hitting .270 minimum).

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 23, 2008 11:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Making those adjustments ...

is the kind of thing that could be greatly aided by a healthy off season/spring training.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 23, 2008 12:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Uggghh Crosby.

There are 30 guys playing SS in AAA.  I'd rather watch any one of them play SS for us than suffer through another year of BC.  Thankfully, I'm sure I won't have to suffer the entire year.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 23, 2008 8:23 AM PST   0 recs

His own worst enemy

He hurt his back the year before because he swings too hard. He proceeded to say that he wouldn't change his swing. Think "Downtown Brown" in the movie Major League 2.

by lostin1965 on Jan 23, 2008 8:39 AM PST   0 recs

+1 for BoCro

True, he has had high expectations and failed to deliver.  His defensive lapses to start last season combined with the spiking when he was turning it around at the plate definitely was the last straw for much of AN.  His inability to hit the ball all over the field or adjust to where he's pitched is a problem.  But, I do believe he's a team player.  We were devoid of power last year, and he clearly didn't want to adjust his approach.  You would think that Ty would teach the situational hitting, but for whatever reason, we never saw the results.
Would he benefit from a change a scenery?  Luckily, he didn't have to change teams in order to get it.  I still see talent to explode at 28.  Will new strength coach preach flexibility and will he develop a veteran savvy to not hurt himself on the field?  (Not sacrificing his bare hand, adjust his stride beating out a throw to first, swinging too hard).  In the post-steroid era, his 20 HR power at SS could be enough to scratch out a decent career even at a lowly .240 BA.

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Jan 23, 2008 8:50 AM PST   0 recs

Adjustments

You know, with all of Crosby's "Free-Time" over the past 3+ Seasons, you would think that he might learn something just by watching.  But he hasn't.

During the Angels series last year (When his hand/wrist was broken), I noticed he was FINALLY standing closer to the plate.  He also layed down a nice bunt to get something started.  It was great to see.

So, while most baseball players are making adjustments on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. Crosby makes an adjustment every 1600+ Plate Appearances, and 490+ Games.    

by Colorado Fan on Jan 23, 2008 8:51 AM PST   0 recs

And, of course,

getting his hand broken by a pitch probably won't encourage him to continue standing closer to the plate...

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Jan 23, 2008 9:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

FINALLY

is exactly right. I remember Fosse pointed it out with a genuine sense of surprise that Crosby was standing closer to the plate. I actually got a little excited to see this at-bat. Then, well, you know what happened next. I felt so bad for the kid. Finally getting up the courage to change it up a little like we all wanted, and then being rewarded like that. No good deed goes unpunished.  

by somebodyelse on Jan 23, 2008 6:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Crosby Hate Mail

So Crosby is the demonized player this year?  Got rid of Byrnes, Kielty the same way.  They suck!!! I know - I have the stats!  Pisses me off.
Consider this:  let Crosby play.  If he does poorly, so be it.  However, my hunch is that he will be a top SS in league, a power/glove player the real baseball experts have suspected for years.  AL MVP?  Not likely.  But could be best player on A's.

by nihilist on Jan 23, 2008 9:13 AM PST   0 recs

Say what you will

about the tenants of Crosbashing, but at least it's an ethos.

"He says lots of stupid things on the television set. He seems lazy and foolish to me." -Michael Lewis, on Joe Morgan

by BWH on Jan 23, 2008 9:17 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Tenants or tenets?

Tenants would be the people doing the bashing... tenets would be the positions/beliefs held by the tenants.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 23, 2008 9:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dude, it was a Walter Sobchak reference posted

at 9:15 am.

Just.

...

"He says lots of stupid things on the television set. He seems lazy and foolish to me." -Michael Lewis, on Joe Morgan

by BWH on Jan 23, 2008 9:32 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

When

you make a simple grammatical error, then get lectured on it via the internet by some guy who wants the world to know how smart he is.

Not that that's ever happened.

"He says lots of stupid things on the television set. He seems lazy and foolish to me." -Michael Lewis, on Joe Morgan

by BWH on Jan 23, 2008 7:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

hward8, this is not 'Nam. This is grammar.

There are rules.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 23, 2008 7:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Fucking language

has fucking papers.

"He says lots of stupid things on the television set. He seems lazy and foolish to me." -Michael Lewis, on Joe Morgan

by BWH on Jan 23, 2008 7:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, well, you know ...

... that's just, like, your opinion, man.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 23, 2008 7:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"i am the walrus?"

STFU, Donny.

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 24, 2008 5:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

jiminy cricket. It never fails ...

... in any post wherein I make a grammatical/spelling/typo correction, or defend the honor of doing so, I ... make one myself. Left out your "6" there, I did.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 23, 2008 7:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, as long as we're being pedantic

This really isn't a grammatical issue at all.  So long as a plural noun is substituted for another plural noun, perfect grammar is preserved.

The tenets/tenants slip above is neither a grammatical error, nor a typographical error, nor a misspelling, though it is still an error.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Jan 23, 2008 11:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

the tenants have buku cache
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 23, 2008 10:15 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

It's "beau poup"
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by JediLeroy on Jan 23, 2008 10:17 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Crosby deserves beau coup cash

Because every time he swings and misses it's a beautiful strike.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Jan 23, 2008 11:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

But based on what?

I'm fully willing and able to admit when I have made a mistake about a player, but Crosby has played poorly for years. That's all the A's have done, is let him play. He's had the starting job at SS since he came up to the major leagues, and IMO, the team has suffered for it.

But could be best player on A's.

All I want to know is where you see evidence of this, because I just can't.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 9:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Here's a situation in which that's true

Crosby, out 2-3 for ungular perspiration stays home while the team plane crashes, killing all. This leaves Crosby as the best player on the team--at least until any of the AAA players are called up.

LawDaddy's Signature

by JediLeroy on Jan 23, 2008 10:16 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jackie Treehorn
treats objects like women, man.

Evidence for a Crosby resurrection?  How about real basball people seeing Crosby as a player, not as a scapegoat.  Besides, who on 2008 A's is bound to have a great season?  Barton, perhaps.  Chavez?

by nihilist on Jan 23, 2008 10:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The A's can't afford to say anything else...

I don't see a lot of evidence from OTHER teams who think Crosby is the real deal.

Beane, Geren, the players, and the A's front office MUST stick to the party line of 'Crosby is special, just wait'. They have no choice.

I, on the other hand, can say what I see...and I see a really poor hitter.

And I can also freely say that I hope I'm wrong.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 10:50 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

of course

someone with the username "nihilist" made a jackie treehorn reference. brilliant.

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 24, 2008 5:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Top SS in the league?

There have to be at least 25 shortstops, including top prospects, who I'd rather have.

He HAS played. He's played a lot. He has 1597 at bats in the majors. He has 435 games played. He's 28 years old.

How long do you let guys who have shown they can't play continue to hurt the team?

by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2008 2:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Until 2010
What are they going to do...send you to baseball jail?

by methodrampage on Jan 23, 2008 3:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Crosby is to hitting

what Rick Ankiel was to pitching.

Obviously talented? Sure.
Briefly dominant? Check.
Unable to make adjustments? Yep.
Brittle? You got it.

Maybe he can convert to pitcher...

This is one of those cases where "athletic talent" simply doesn't translate into baseball success because of a player's mental demons. It's not much different from Beane himself, really.

At some point, someone needs to get ahold of Crosby and tell him that, you know, seeing as how he hits more ground balls per ball in play than anyone else on the entire frigging roster, maybe he should stop trying to hit home runs all the time and start actually trying to hit HARD ground balls instead of the standard three-hopper right to the infielder. It's not a problem of pulling the ball-- his hit chart is pretty even, actually-- it's just a problem of making bad contact.

Of course, maybe someone has told him this. It wouldn't surprise me a whole lot, since I wouldn't expect him to change anyway. I can't tell whether he's actually genuinely slow in the head or just so blinded by his own self-image that it mimics it, but it doesn't really matter. The effect is the same.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 23, 2008 9:14 AM PST   0 recs

Agree.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jan 23, 2008 9:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ground balls/hit chart

may be a bad thing in his case.  Every team in baseball, along with every fan in the stands, and every concession worker, and every Coliseum usher, and every player on both teams (except Crosby himself) knows that Crosby has a massive hole in his swing low and away.  So they pitch him..... low and away.  His groundball % could likely be caused by the way he's pitched, not because of his swing mechanics.  His hit chart should show a tendency to go to the opposite field more, since he's pitched almost exclusively away.  Maybe the hit chart, relative to the way he's pitched, is a negative, showing that he tries to pull everything.

Crosby is athletic.  He has power when he puts a good swing on the ball.  He's one of the top 3 fielding SS in the AL, probably.  But he's such a bad hitter not for lack of talent, but for lack of discipline.  By 2007, I actually laughed everytime he struck out on a slider low and away.  It's comical.  If, at age 28, he still doesn't know how to adjust, he'll never be anything close to a good hitter.

"He says lots of stupid things on the television set. He seems lazy and foolish to me." -Michael Lewis, on Joe Morgan

by BWH on Jan 23, 2008 9:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

"If,

at age 28, he still doesn't know how to adjust, he'll never be anything close to a good hitter."

Unless he's traded to a National League team like Eric Byrnes, then he may become the star we hoped for.

"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Jan 23, 2008 9:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Eric Byrnes having a slighty-above average

year in a big-time hitters park in a weak league doesn't make him a "star."

by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2008 2:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps not...
but if Crosby does the same thing we may wish we'd kept him.
"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Jan 24, 2008 7:36 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i don't think the park

made him steal 50 bases though...that would be him actually getting to run

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 24, 2008 5:23 PM PST