Daric Barton is coming up tomorrow!!!
by gotgreen on Sep 9, 2007 5:52 PM PDT
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The most highly anticipated callup this year for the A's will be joining the team in Seattle: Daric Barton, the smooth-swinging first baseman.A source close to Barton confirmed the callup to The Chronicle on Sunday evening. Earlier in the day, Barton smacked a three-run homer to give Triple-A Sacramento a comeback victory over Salt Lake City and send the River Cats on to the Pacific Coast League finals. Now, Sacramento will head to New Orleans for Tuesday's playoff opener without Barton.
I am VERY excited about seeing Barton up with the A's but why bring him up right now if the A's are out of it and the Rivercats are advancing to the next round of the playoffs??
(barton at spring training '07)
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Ditto- why not wait?
here's the link...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...
by pam5981 on Sep 9, 2007 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NP
you were all over it in the game thread...i was just too disturbed by the game to stay in there :)
by pam5981 on Sep 9, 2007 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as far as im concerned shut down DJohnson and
marshall and scuturo and gudain and embree and dinardo and anyone else who has already proved what they are going to do this year and does not need the stats like a swisher or haren. we want to see what others can do. third, forth whatever.
Barton, Perry, Meyer, Ziegler, and anyone else from AAA or even the few AA's who deserves it should all be getting playing time after Sept.1st. better late than never on a lost season.
mabey AAA should play more double headers/get less days off and get in all there games in less days so the AAA playoffs dont conflict with callups on sept 1st. otherwise the extra few weeks in the majors is worth more to the A's than a AAA championship
by Anarch on Sep 9, 2007 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perry?
He was traded for Hannahan a month ago.
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because minor league playoffs don't matter...
..to the parent club.
And sometimes to the players, who just want to get home to their families after a long season (or two, if they're recent draftees).
by Ozzz on Sep 9, 2007 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game today
and his dinger was thrilling. It had huge moment written all over it.
I as hoping to see him again next weekend at the PCL championship series....
I think that he will be starting tommorow night.
Anyone else?
by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 9, 2007 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely ...
he'll start at least 3/4 of the games from here on out.
by devo on Sep 9, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not want to see Barton
sitting on the bench tomorrow, except when the A's are at bat and it's not his turn to hit.
by OaklandSi on Sep 9, 2007 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's did the Rivercats a favor by letting
them have Barton for the first round. He would have been up on 9/1, otherwise.
I was at Friday's game and he was sick -- absolutely hammering everything -- I would have loved to see him again this weekend ... but then again, I might be in Oakland, so maybe I will.
The future is now.
The Rivercats have been dealing with this all year and managed to make the playoffs and advance to the PCL Championship despite it, they'll figure out a way to keep it going.
by devo on Sep 9, 2007 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the reason Barton needs to be up now is ...
... so he can maximize the amount of time that he gets to be mentored by Dan Johnson.
by monkeyball on Sep 9, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he mentored enough every time DJ, gets
sent down to Sacramento each year.
by theblackpearl on Sep 9, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it called 'mentoring someone' when...
..he's up, swinging, and you're on the bench?
by Ozzz on Sep 9, 2007 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few years ago, Billy Beane said he liked to
keep the players in the minors so they can enjoy winning, and getting a minor league ring would keep them hungry, now when Daric is one series away from the PCL championship, he brings him up to a losing team. That doesn't make sense. The Rivercats could play no more than 5 more games, so why not just leave him alone.
by theblackpearl on Sep 9, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it makes sense
if barton thinks he should get called up to the a's.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 9, 2007 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...from his point of view, any player
would rather spend an extra week with the big club instead of participating in a AAA playoff series.
Also, the RiverCats season could go as late as Sept. 18. There is the best-of-5 series vs. New Orleans; then, if Sacramento wins that, there is a 1-game playoff in Oklahoma City on Sept. 18 vs. the International League champion for the "2007 AAA Championship" (the "Bricktown Showdown").
by Soaker on Sep 9, 2007 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems very unfair
to the players who played all year for the Rivercats. But congrats to Barton...I imagine he's very excited for the pay hike.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 9, 2007 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems overly sucky for Sacramento to me--
As excited as I am to see him in Oakland, I don't like this move--why not let him play one more week and call him up on 9/16?
by Nico on Sep 9, 2007 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure whoever gets his spot...
..will think it's an awesome move.
by Ozzz on Sep 9, 2007 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i think i will ask Ziggy that question!
by gotgreen on Sep 9, 2007 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ask ziggy if you should add a poll
by xbhaskarx on Sep 9, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes Sense...
Billy wants to see what he can show him right now ... it might be the most important call upof the year, ironically, in terms of impact next spring.
by Carlos1118 on Sep 9, 2007 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is,
the sole reason for the Rivercats existence is to feed the A's talent. So in that regard I can see the logic in bringing him up. I'm happy that they beat SLC. If I'm not mistaken, they are the Angel's AAA affiliate. I want our guys to be accustomed to beating the Angels in all their vile manifestations.
Still, it sucks for him to have played all year and not get the prize. But then again, I imagine he's thrilled to get the chance to make his MLB debut no matter the Cat's standings. Go Cats!
by alox on Sep 9, 2007 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Could we at least send Dan Johnson down?
He can actually hit AAA pitching.
by Nico on Sep 9, 2007 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meanwhile...Bonds to A's?
for Jack Cust? LOL
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/0...
Scott Ostler has a suggestion in today's San Francisco Chronicle: some kind of Barry Bonds for Jack Cust trade.
by closetasfan on Sep 9, 2007 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the only way this goes down
is if the Chargers throw in Baron Davis.
by Nico on Sep 9, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell. No.
Why on Earth would we give up Cust who actually has a future in baseball for a guy who is playing out the string?
Now DJ for Bonds? Let's talk.
by alox on Sep 9, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bigger problem is
the trade deadline has passed and bonds is a free agent next year.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 9, 2007 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he'll be indicted.
And he's a cancerous asshole.
by Ozzz on Sep 9, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be a dumb move.
Bonds may well be the only guy in the league who plays worse outfield than Cust.
And Cust is hitting better.
So who do we get on top of Bonds if the deal is done? Lincecum?
by Ozzz on Sep 9, 2007 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee says hi
And Cust is not hitting better.
by rfloh on Sep 9, 2007 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer to this is: Screw Facts
by Dusty Baker on Sep 10, 2007 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to adjust for league ...
Jason Kendall's OPS has improved by .218 points since he's been on the Cubs. You should expect to see similar deflation from Bonds, leaving him at a good, but not great, .841. It's science -- the National League sucks -- you can't argue with science. Well, except that whole evolution thing, since it's just a 'theory'.
by devo on Sep 10, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you know
that science can't prove anything? And that creationism is the only possible explanation?
(Sorry, tangent. Mom was watching "Jesus Camp" last night; I watched about 20 minutes of it and didn't have the heart to go on.)
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he is.
2. Bonds has an extra month of plate appearances over cust, but only 5 more jacks in that time. Give Cust another month, I'm thinking he can hit 1.5 dingers per week and tie that up.
3. Bonds has only 14 more total bases than Cust (189 to 175), despite that extra month of plate appearances, and the propensity of weak ass NL pitchers to intentionally walk The Drug Dog.
Cust is hitting better. And he's not inviting a posse of dealers into the locker room.
by Ozzz on Sep 10, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds has an 80 point gap
in OBP and 50 points in Slg.
Bonds only has 30 more PAs than Cust.
Bonds also does not have an unsustainable BABIP or HR/FB rate.
by devo on Sep 10, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have an extra month of PAs
It's 467-425, because Bonds sits out all the time, (which of course reduces his value.)
Bonds has clearly done better per PA. If you remove his 42 IBBs (which are valuable), he's hitting .277/.429/.576 to Cust's .259/.403/.515. The league difference is important, but the NL West is by far the best pitching division in the NL.
by mikeA on Sep 10, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for making our argument?
Walks aren't included in Total bases. This is pretty obvious considering Bonds has 175 Total Bases and 129 BBs.
by Dusty Baker on Sep 10, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be 189 TB, but point stands.
by Dusty Baker on Sep 10, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds
174 OPS+ in 462 PA. Jack Cust 145 OPS+ in 432 PA.
by rfloh on Sep 11, 2007 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough to do
since Bonds only signed a one-year deal...
Scott Ostler is an idiot.
by jubjub on Sep 10, 2007 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds for Cust? NO!!
Bonds for Chavez or Kotsay?
Keep talking...
by oaklandSMASH on Sep 10, 2007 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Savior is Here!!!!
by BruceBochte on Sep 9, 2007 10:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
It's what they did with Swisher and with Crosby, bring them up at end of season and let them get some of the jitters out now. Let them go into the offseason with a visualization of how to be a Big Leaguer.
by jakarta on Sep 9, 2007 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why trade for Bonds
When Lowry is supposedly available via trade and a top three of Haren, Blanton, and Lowry with a hopefully healthy Harden in the mix would be more useful to us.
by AsWin on Sep 9, 2007 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
right handed SS or CF what be most usefull
we had absolutly sick starting pitching the beginning of the year from all spots and we didnt win.
we need to do what we have to to get at least 2 more right power/OBP bats and there is no better place to start than with our biggist weaknesses.if you can trade Crosby/Kotsay for $1.oo, and eat the rest of there salarys do it and lets move on.
as far as Harden and Healthy, that train left years ago
by Anarch on Sep 9, 2007 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Available for trade" =/= "free for the taking"
The Giants are going to be asking for a king's ransom for Lowry (and rightly so, IMO, given how valuable young pitching has become). Do you want to give up, say, Travis Buck and Gregorio Petit for him? Because that's the kind of thing they're going to be asking for.
Apart from which, Lowry really isn't that good. He was very lucky this season (both in terms of run support and in terms of his peripherals). He's basically Zito without the curveball. His fastball barely tops out at 90 on a good day.
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a 4.03 career ERA in 618 innings...
he's had an awful lot of sustained luck.
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2007 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he sucks
I said he isn't worth the price they'll be asking. Significant difference.
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read "isn't that good" differently, I guess.
I wouldn't want to give up the farm for him, either.
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see him as an average starting pitcher
for which the asking price will be significantly above average. I also see the A's farm system's strengths as lying in the area of pitching and not hitting, for the most part. Guys like Cahill and Rodriguez really look like potential All-Stars a few years down the road, and except for Corey Brown (and Barton, I guess) I just don't see a lot of that from the hitters in the system.
I do think the Gigantes will find a taker for Lowry, and I think they need to trade him for hitting. I've been rather impressed with Nate Schierholtz so far, but their infield is just a wasteland right now. If I were Sabean, I'd be looking at trading Lowry for Brent Lillibridge of Atlanta, with appropriate spare parts thrown in on whichever side to even out the values involved.
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's significantly better than average ...
He has a career OPS+ of 108 -- which means he's 8% better than the average pitcher -- the average pitcher being significantly better than the average starting pitcher -- he's actually 18% better than the average starting pitcher.
by devo on Sep 10, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you mean ERA+
but I'd be concerned about his peripherals. His ERA this year is (IIRC) freakishly low given the number of baserunners he's allowed. He also has some history of injury and his velocity seems to be down this year.
Probably he'll be fine, but he seems like a classic candidate for a Pavano-like fiasco. The Giants ought to sell high on him, and I'd prefer the A's weren't the buyers.
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, ERA+ ...
You're right, his k:bb is pretty ugly ...
Pavano was a good pitcher, he just can't stay healthy. A better comp might be ... Bary Zito ... a pitcher with a good amount of success, despite declining peripherals.
by devo on Sep 10, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that Zito
is a good comp. Zito is ridiculously durable, while Lowry has had some injury issue. For example, he has been shut down for the year with "fatigue" and a mild elbow strain.
Also I this is probably just semantics, but I disagree that Pavano was / is good. IP totals: 134, 104, 97, 42, 136, 201, 222, 100, 11. Career ERA+ of 100. 1049 IP in 9 years. So, a slightly better than league average pitcher who can't stay healthy, and who averages about 116 IP per year.
Would you say that Kris Benson is a good pitcher? career ERA+ 101. And despite his occasional issues with durability, 1207 IP in 7 years.
by rfloh on Sep 11, 2007 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll grant you ...
that Lowry hasn't shown Zito's durability ... regardless, I still prefer that comp to Pavano.
Pavano had a ton of talent -- he just was rarely healthy enough to show it. His peripherals have also always been strong. Clearly he was a bad investment -- but for entirely different reasons from Lowry or Zito.
by devo on Sep 11, 2007 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question
So let's say that "the future is now" and the AAA playoffs shouldn't come into consideration if the A's feel Barton is ready to develop at the MLB level.
The question is, then, why didn't they call him up on September 1st? Or September 5th? Or anytime before this? It's not like his HR sealed the deal and made them say "Oh ok, we believe in him now."
by black beane and rice on Sep 9, 2007 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let Barton finish it out with the Cats
Let young players taste what success is flavored like (even at a lower level), and they will crave it when they get to the big show.
by oaklandSMASH on Sep 9, 2007 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barton's playoff line
since I can't actually find it anywhere on milb.com:
24 PA
4 BB
20 AB
11 H
4 HR
23 TB
.550/.625/1.150/1.775
That, my friends, is HOT. His final season line is:
.302/.398/.465/.863
If I had to hazard a guess as to why he was brought up right now, it's that they figure he's on such a tear that he'll be super-confident in his first taste of the bigs. Well, that and so he doesn't have to go across country to New Orleans first. Saves money on the plane ticket!
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2007 12:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and that if he continues that hot streak @ MLB
... it'll make him all the more valuable as a trading chip in the offseason.
by monkeyball on Sep 10, 2007 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
The A's like Barton and think he's ready. (and I agree) But if they can get a similar player who might be a RH bat and play a good corner OF, they'd have to listen.
by jakarta on Sep 10, 2007 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
Or, say, package Barton with Blanton or Gaudin for a really big haul.
by monkeyball on Sep 10, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they called him up
so that he wouldn't drop his ba below .300 so they could say "hey, he hit .300 last year" when they try to trade him this winter.
by jubjub on Sep 10, 2007 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Was At Yesterday's River Cats Game......
And I can tell you that the A's are placing the River Cats championship hopes in jeopardy. Without Barton, it will be really tough for the Cats to beat New Orleans. All summer long I've been thankful for the River Cats in the face of the A's losing season. Please let us A's/ River Cats fans have a championship rather than waste Barton on a losing team for really no good reason. It's obvious that he's going to be a major force on the '08 A's, but there's really nothing for in Oakland in '07. Keep him down here and give us Sacramento folks some hope.
by may7 on Sep 10, 2007 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anything that impacts the A's future
is more important than anything related to the River Cats. If Daric Barton can have three hot weeks that entrench him as the first baseman next year, and ensures we get rid of Dan Johnson in the offseason, it's a no brainer. The River Cats should be thankful they had him for the first round, let alone the last couple of months.
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2007 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have happened two months ago.
If Dan Johnson plays a single game the remainder of the year, it will be one too many.
I have no doubt Barton will start tonight. The only question is whether he hits second or third.
Daric, please mash so nobody thinks having you as our starting first baseman next year is even a question worth asking.
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2007 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be rooting for Daric to mash...
If he's the first baseman next year, Swish can play one position all year and the team will be better.
Now, if only Denorfia or Snelling can replace Kotsay in CF, we'll be set in the outfield. Not holding my breath on that one, though.
by FoolshGame22 on Sep 10, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only centerfield were an operating table...
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "give him a taste of winning" philosophy:
Meh. So, people have to win in order to want to win? People seriously think that all the other players have no desire because they haven't experienced the playoffs?
by JediLeroy on Sep 10, 2007 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's more a mentality thing. If you sign with
the Yankees as a free agent, you have a different attitude than you would, say a Royal free agent, just like if you have won in the minors, and you know your ML team is used to winning, you maintain that winning mentality, like Yogi said the game is 90% mental, the other half physical.
by theblackpearl on Sep 10, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you're A-Rod:
100% mental, 100% physical.
Yogi Berra may be great for quotes, but I'd hardly take his wisdom as anything more than good one-liners. I believe that every batter goes up wanting to get a hit, regardless of his team's record. Some people would even argue that when a player puts pressure on himself to help the team win, it can hinder his performance.
by JediLeroy on Sep 10, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO matter if the A's take Barton...
He deserves it, he's played big leaguer and now he is one. Best of luck to him.
The rivercats have survived 175 plus roster moves, they will scratch and claw for a championship.
GO RIVERCATS!!!
by baseball4life on Sep 10, 2007 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet Barton wants to be with the A's
If I had to choose between earning a quick $30k and having the opportunity to experience feelings of triumvarance, camraderie, liberty, fraternity, and ultimately love, I would take the money every time.
by scromulus on Sep 10, 2007 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take the feelings of triumvarance,
camraderie, liberty, fraternity and love. He's going to earn his money throughout his career regardless.
by OldhamA on Sep 11, 2007 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one will remember the 2007 PCL Champion
Except the players... That's why.
by Colorado Fan on Sep 10, 2007 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree. The purpose of the minor leagues
is to groom players for the majors. What player's life long dream is to win the PCL championship? I'd think Barton would be ecstatic about the call-up.
It's like having to ditch Kirsten Dunst for Jessica Alba, right before you do the deed. No matter how good it might've been, it's Jessica-freaking-Alba.
by JediLeroy on Sep 10, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only three championships that matter
- Little League World Series
- College World Series
- World Series
anything else, including an Olympic baseball Gold Medal, has to be subordinated to a player's larger career goals.
by vk on Sep 10, 2007 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what about the WBC?
i think they care about that, at least in other countries.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 10, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton is needed now
In case anyone thought we had already hit an all time low for the 07 season back in July or something: Wrong! This is it. I've never felt worse this entire season than I did yesterday (except maybe the 4 game sweep by the Twins). I even broke out the Dylan Thomas for a new sig line. I don't think it's just me.
This team needs something to play for, and if Barton can provide some energy and enthusiasm for the next three weeks, then maybe the A's need him more than the Cats do right now. I know I do.
by AintEasyBeinGreen on Sep 10, 2007 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
honestly
if you asked every minor leaguer playing today, and asked that question, I would be surprised if even one player said they'd rather stay in the minors.
Lets be real now. The Majors is what is about.
by closetasfan on Sep 10, 2007 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barton in the starting lineup
Oakland
S. Stewart lf .282
M. Scutaro ss .266
N. Swisher cf .263
J. Cust rf .259
M. Ellis 2b .268
D. Johnson dh .227
J. Hannahan 3b .266
D. Barton 1b .000
K. Suzuki c .248
Seattle
I. Suzuki cf .351
A. Beltre 3b .283
R. Ibanez lf .285
J. Guillen rf .289
B. Broussard 1b .283
J. Vidro dh .313
K. Johjima c .287
J. Lopez 2b .260
Y. Betancourt ss .285
by OaklandSi on Sep 10, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barton batting second in his second MLB game
jumping up from eighth to second...here's the A's lineup:
Oakland
Stewart, LF .281
Barton, 1B .667
Swisher, RF .263
Piazza, DH .276
Ellis, 2B .271
Scutaro, 3B .266
Murphy, SS .227
Suzuki, C .248
Thompson, CF .192
by OaklandSi on Sep 11, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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