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May The Best Ace Win

Frustration over a disappointing season, frustration over an anticlimactic trade deadline, was tempered by an A’s victory that had the full spectrum of everything that has made the A’s exasperating and encouraging in 2007.

The game that started with a routine fly ball that wasn’t caught finished with a base hit taken away by Travis Buck’s patented game-ending diving catch. The game that began with the A’s refusing to advance runners once they reached scoring position ended with a machine-gun like barrage of key hits to plate key runs. And when it was all said and done, Danny Haren was a 13-game winner and the A’s were 50-game winners, and we’ll take what we can get when we can get it!

I’m encouraged that every time Travis Buck takes the field I see a remarkably polished hitter and I see a guy who seems to make the team just feel more alive when he’s out there. And I’m discouraged that we have an organizational philosophy that would allow our #3 and #4 hitters to watch strike three to kill a promising inning. I’m encouraged that Donnie Murphy and Kurt Suzuki continue to have a lot of solid at-bats. And I’m discouraged that guys like Eric Chavez and Rich Harden can’t figure out a way to get out on the field and give the young guys some protection and leadership.

A final thought on tonight’s game: When the A’s rallied to tie the game, take the lead, and put the game away, they did it with hits, they did it by going first to third, they did it with productive outs, they did it by looking for pitches to hit, not pitches to take. They didn’t resort to relying on walks or saying things like “well, we’ve only scored one run in five innings, but we’ve made him throw 95 pitches.” A “batter” is anyone with a bat. A “hitter” is a guy who can get hits. The A’s need to start moving guys around the bases two at a time, and walks don’t do that. The last 3 innings were actually fun because it looked like good baseball. And for a change lately, it was my team playing it.

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great write up

the first 3 innings were frustrating as the a's continued their typically subpar play.  lots of opportunities, but the a's squandered these good oppty's with bad at bats and unproductive outs.

but man oh man, did the a's come alive in the middle 3 innings.  they hit, hit and ran, hit for modoest power, hit sacrifice flies, etc...and voila they scored bushels of runs.

still left too many guys on 3rd with less than 2 outs and stranded guys on second early in innings.  this offense can't squander hit percentage opportunities too often.

donnie murphy has to field easy ground balls and his sac bunt can't be directed right back to the pitcher.

other than that, a good win with a great effort by the bullpen.

by inbillywetrust on Jul 31, 2007 10:37 PM PDT   0 recs

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wha???! Huh!
Sorry,, it's late.
Too late.  G'night

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 31, 2007 10:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Suzuki

 Maybe if Kendal was still play its a different game (no base hits).  Haren had no problem with the catcher so if Blanton is having a problem its his pitching not the catching.  

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2007 10:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Speaking of which, I forgot to mention

this point: Verlander looked frustrated a lot of the night--possibly with himself, probably not so much with the umpire (there weren't a lot of questionable calls he didn't get), but also possibly like he was "not on the same page" with his catcher. Which is interesting in light of the fact that Pudge was out serving his one-game suspension.

I'm not big on the whole "I need Kendall" KME stuff, but I did wonder if it affected Verlander not to have his regular catcher behind the plate tonight.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 31, 2007 11:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Verlander called the catcher out to the mound

several times, including after a couple of 58 foot breaking balls, as if to suggest he hadn't wanted to throw the pitch in the first place.

I hope you packed a lunch.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 31, 2007 11:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of observations (insignificant, I hope)
  1.  After a ball got by Suzuki, a camera cut to Blanton, who was shaking his head, seemingly in disgust.
  1.  As the game ended, it looked like an enthusiastic Suzuki was trying to talk to Embree, who seemed to ignore him.

I don't remember seeing this sort of thing when Kendall was around.  

by Ray of Lite on Aug 1, 2007 8:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw the post-game Embree snub

That was a little weird, wasn't it?

It's like Suzuki was walking up to him, I think I saw him say "Nice job" and Embree literally kept his back turned, didn't acknowledge Zuki, and gave Swish the lo-five instead.

"He could run for mayor of Oakland! I hope he never wakes up" -Korach on Cust's GW 3 run HR

by popcornjames on Aug 1, 2007 9:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great way to help the kid develop into

being a catcher they all seem to want.

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 9:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"they all"

must not include many current pitchers.

I wonder if that had anything to do with the last minute trade rumors surrounding Blanton, if he really is one of the Kendall sympathizers still on the team.

"He could run for mayor of Oakland! I hope he never wakes up" -Korach on Cust's GW 3 run HR

by popcornjames on Aug 1, 2007 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought it did look like

Embree spoke to Kurt but Alan was chewing and talking.

"Whoa, are you saying... a testosterone-addled Rich Harden, in a fit of misplaced aggression after growing several extra pairs, ran over LAXile?" Poppy

by Jennifer on Aug 1, 2007 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chavez

I agree with everything you said except for the chavez comment. We can't get angry when Chavez plays hurt and doesn't produce as well as he should and then get angry that he "can’t figure out a way to get out on the field." The guy is busting his butt all the time. He plays hurt and doesn't complain about it. We shouldn't complain about him hurting so bad that he needs to sit out.

I love Harden but he needs to figure out what the problem is.

Ben "The Party" Hall GO A's

by benhall2121 on Jul 31, 2007 11:01 PM PDT   0 recs

Totally agree, benhall2121--

I think it's hypocritical to criticize Chavy when he plays hurt and then when he doesn't play hurt. I really meant it's just a shame that he can't play. We need him and he's not there. Not his fault, just discouraging--and, from a long-term point of view, a worrisome trend.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 31, 2007 11:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, that's ass.

If Chavez is hurt, and he's been hurt for a good three seasons now, he should get over his fear of the knife and HAVE THE FREAKING SURGERY ALREADY.

Since 2002, he's been worse every season. Right now, he's not even league average.

It's great that he's brave enough to play injured (all season long), but I'd take him NOT playing for three or four weeks and 1) fix his shoulder, 2) fix his back, and 3) see a sports psychologist who can hypnotize him to find out where he left his balls.

The Kendall Shift: 6 infielders and 2 catchers.

by Ozzz on Aug 1, 2007 12:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think someone else asked this in another thread

earlier today... but, what surgery?  Not all problems have a surgical solution.  I'm not saying that there isn't a surgical solution to whatever the hell is the matter with Chavy, but we shouldn't constantly be assuming that there's some surgery that will fix anything that ails a body.

"Don't make me he-bitch man-slap you!" ~ mkt STEALING FROM DEUCE BIGALOW!

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 12:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shoulder surgery for one thing

We know he's got an impediment in his shoulder that will only go away if he has surgery. A lot of people wonder if Chavez's shoulder issue could be contributing to other problems.

Although if my memory serves, Chavez said near the beginning of the year that his forearm problems were tied to doing too many curls.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 12:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Impediment?

I really shouldn't listen to Marilyn Manson while I post. I mean to say impingement.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 12:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

got word from Duke

in left field that Chavez has been begging the A's medical staff to let him have surgery on that shoulder of his for the "last three years!"

Now I don't know if Billy Beane has a say in this matter but I would like to think that he does. Is there anyone out there that knows the ins and outs of big leauge contracts and how medical procedures affect the guaranteed money in these situations?????

So, just saying that if what Duke said is true (and he is rather reliable with his inside sources) then would it not stand to reason at this point that the orginazation should just let Chavvy have surgery on his shoulder and be done with it???????

Just a thought.............

by mrod on Aug 1, 2007 1:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well... his shoulder IS impeding his play...

So it could be called an impediment...  ;)

I did remember that there was supposedly "an option" for Chavy to have shoulder surgery a couple of offseasons ago, and the way it was reported was that he decided to rehab without surgery.  In light of mrod's comment (above? below?) about LF Duke's info, now... who knows?  Regardless of which report is accurate, the shoulder probably does need surgery since that was the previously stated "option" and 2 years of rehabbing hasn't done anything for it.

But the forearms and legs and back could all just be falling like dominoes from poor mechanics created by the shoulder pain (or curls).  Or they could be independent problems.  Or a combination.  As long as the A's are out of contention, maybe Chavy should be shut down until at least next March to get all the body parts sorted out.  I don't know...  I just get annoyed with hearing people go with a simplistic "The guy is always hurt, he should get surgery!" about any player, any problem -- like surgery is magic, or always applicable.  Even things that do have a possible surgical solution won't necessarily be fixed 100% of the time, and the surgery & anesthesia always carry a variety of risks that are more serious than "the guy is just afraid of knives."

"Don't make me he-bitch man-slap you!" ~ mkt STEALING FROM DEUCE BIGALOW!

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 6:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, I'm afraid of knives!

Unless I'm holding them of course.

Then I have a gleam in my eye.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 6:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Then you're the perfect A's Official Surgeon!

When you're done indiscriminately carving Chavy, Rich Harden will be tied up ready for you...

"Don't make me he-bitch man-slap you!" ~ mkt STEALING FROM DEUCE BIGALOW!

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 7:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Edward Scissorhands

Freddy Krueger

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Aug 1, 2007 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would have to agree Poppy

And if I were Chavvy looking at the history of this mecical staff I'd be scared, too.

This little nugget from
SF Chronicle notes this morning regarding Loaiza's rehab status:

"I want to pitch on Monday at Texas, but I was told there were other plans," Loaiza said. "First, they told me to hurry up, then they told me to take it slowly. It's supposed to be the way I feel, but I guess now they have a program for me." S-Slusser

...............(rolls eyes)

by mrod on Aug 1, 2007 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying there's confusion among

the medical and training staffs, but I watched them play a game of Operation and they got into a fight over the location of the funny bone.

The docs said it was in the left leg and the training staff insisted it was in the chest.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great... LOL

I love how, now that the training staff can't talk to the media, we get to hear things like this from the players speaking for themselves...

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yup
tdwclark

by tdwclark on Aug 1, 2007 4:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

its not hypocrtical

its just that he's no good to us hurt.  You cant say that Harden is a non-issue , but Chavez is.  The players need to remain healthy to produce at the level that is needed.  I personally dont care if he's hurt or not...if he cant contribute at the level that is required, a decision to do something different is imminent (hopefully).  The world is full of potential, in all aspects of life.  Potential means nothing until put into practice.  Thats my 2 cents...

tdwclark

by tdwclark on Aug 1, 2007 4:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It did look like good baseball

Maybe not so much with the gloves, but certainly with the bats.  A lineup that had Ellis in the 5 hole and got less promising from there didn't auger well, but you're right, Suzuki and Murphy not only delivered, but looked good each time up.

My buddy the Alameda Aphid saw his first win of the year...after twelve straight losses.

Lew Wolff was in his fave front row seat for the whole game, surrounded by pre-adolescent boys.  You know, in a wholesome way.  He did seem to spend the whole ninth inning on his Blackberry, though.  It's OK, I can never beat that Tetris game either.

Oh, and the poker sets are cool.  Two decks of cards, one with Ellis backs, one with Scutaro, six dice, and 100 chips with A's logos.  Nice giveaway.

I hope you packed a lunch.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 PM PDT   0 recs

I'd trade the six dice

for one Dice-K, but I wouldn't trade the logo for a Lugo.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 31, 2007 11:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

do they give away the poker kits to children

i'm surprised no one has complained...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 31, 2007 11:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup

I even saw them give one for a kid who was probably less than 6 months old.

by anomaly_kat on Jul 31, 2007 11:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And now it's on eBay.

The kid, not the poker set.

"Woo hoo!" - mikeA

by McFood on Aug 1, 2007 8:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice win!

I was at the game tonight and I have to admit the first 3 innings felt like a typical 2007 A's game.  I was just waiting for the Tigers to break open a 3-0 game and bury the A's.  Leyland looked like the genius on the squeeze play as the A's stranded runners at 1st and 3rd with one out and a runner on 2nd with no outs.

Even when the A's scored one run, it felt like we had squandered the inning.  Walking in the run but not getting the key hit felt all so familiar.

Still, Haren held the Tigers down and the A's finally broke threw.  Verlander was struggling and I did feel he was vulnerable tonight.

Suzuki came through big time!  He looked shaky behind the plate as several in the dirt balls almost got past him but he hit with authority.  I'm a bit surprised the Tigers didn't run more on him tonight.

With the frustration of this season and the lack of activity at the trade deadline, it was a great release to watch the A's take it to the Tigers tonight!

No, we won't make the playoffs and yes, the Tigers will but for one night, it was a great time at the ole ballpark.

by Wolverine on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 PM PDT   0 recs

A's Win-Loss record

After trading Bradley: 10-25
Without Piazza in lineup since Bradley trade: 5-21

After activating Piazza in games Piazza has played: 5-4 in a tough schedule stretch.

After Bradley was traded we had a hole in the middle of our lineup that had to be filled with a consistent bat with pop. It took the A's front office 4 weeks to figure that out and that basically cost us the postseason race inspite of all the injuries.

We could have been playing .500 ball keeping our head above water and still in this race if the A's front office recognized the black hole in the middle of the lineup and made the right roster decisions.

by oak1 on Jul 31, 2007 11:18 PM PDT   0 recs

bradley was already hole in the lineup

The dude played in 8 games between April 22 and July 7 when we traded him.  Trading him was not the reason the A's went 10-25.  Activating Piazza did seem to mend things, and it seems like if that happened sooner we might be on the fringe of contention right now instead of the void of despair.

by panchopunch on Aug 1, 2007 7:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

All this assigning implied positive outcomes if Bradley stayed....we don't even know the REAL reason for the timing.  But bottom line, he was a non-factor on the field, because he wasn't on the field!

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 1, 2007 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just got back from the game

Wow!!!  And the poker set wern't too shabby either.  Dan looked good.  Murph made up for a couple of easy outs with a little good offense.  Suzuki, who are you?  He had an awesome night!  Swish could do only two things offensively, walk or K.  I would have liked to see him hit a good long ball just once, if only for his self-esteem.  The lack of a catch by Jack Cust, I thought, jeez we are done for the night but surprise, surprise, surprise, WE WON!!!  Yeah!

"I want to live and I want to love. I want to catch something that I might be ashamed of." SPM

by mlleaimee on Jul 31, 2007 11:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Most of that game was fun.

The scoring parts... and the guys catching stuff and not making errors parts...  and the little old ladies sitting next to me talking to each other about the trades Billy Beane didn't make today (sounding like they'd been reading AN... LOL)

And apparently it's no longer a losing curse for me to see ANers at a game!  So, just because of that curse being lifted, our chances for a win on Saturday are pretty good.

"Don't make me he-bitch man-slap you!" ~ mkt STEALING FROM DEUCE BIGALOW!

by Poppy on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 PM PDT   0 recs

A side note on organizational philosophy.

The A's don't have a philosophy to watch strike 3.

Strike 1? Sure.

Strike 2 if you're ahead, but not strike three.

The organizational philosophy is to protect the strikezone in a strike 3 situation. Yes, they want a walk if they can get one, but if it's close, you peel off a foul tip, or take a swipe at it.

Anyone watching strike 3 is the sole person to blame for the K.

The Kendall Shift: 6 infielders and 2 catchers.

by Ozzz on Aug 1, 2007 12:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Thank You!

This anti-organizational philosophy crap that is sprouting up all over the place is getting to be a bore.  The same philosophy that has lead to all the postseason teams that have filled the complainers lives with joy the past decade.

by The Hypocrite on Aug 1, 2007 12:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very True

and it makes you understand why the A's wanted Placido Polanco so much. (Entirely apart from the whole Coliseum Cobb thing. You know what, I think I'm going to start calling him that.) They showed a graphic in Monday's game-- league average batting avg. with 2 strikes is .190. Polanco is .360! He's actually a BETTER hitter with two strikes! Like Scott Hatteberg, he isn't afraid to hit with two strikes because he knows he has the discipline to lay off unhittable pitches and the bat skills to foul off borderline ones. Eckstein-- for all that he's sabermetrically loathed-- has the same skill, the ability to control the strike zone. If there's one thing the A's have lacked this year relative to prior years, it's that skill. Cust and Swish are good hitters with excellent eyes for balls, but they don't have the ability to consistently make pitchers throw multiple perfect pitches. And some of the other guys... Crosby is about as far from this ideal as you can get.

I believe that this is why the A's hitting doesn't seem to be "working" this year. It's not that they're walking too much, it's that they aren't getting the right kinds of walks. They're walking in at-bats they should be getting base hits in and making outs in at-bats they could be walking in. The walk rate stays about the same but the average goes down.

I think I'm going to do a diary about this at some point.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 12:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

2 problems this year:
  1. Bad players: .726 team OPS is terrible. Chavez and Kotsay are having bad years, Kendall and Crosby had nightmarish years. The rest of the team is not bad, but not good enough to make up for those guys.
  1. Low avg. with risp. Could be that the roster makeup enables opposing teams to pitch around the good hitters to get to the automatic outs. Probably just a fluke though, and that number varies from year to year.

by mikeA on Aug 1, 2007 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not true. I've never bought into

the philosophy that undervalues speed and batting average, and is designed to get lots of baserunners without actually getting very many of them home. The post-season teams were built on pitching, and sometimes had great natural talent (Giambi, Tejada), but I've NEVER thought the philosophy was sound.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That was a reply to The Hypocrite.

I think you nail it, PaulThomas, when you talk about the right and wrong times to try to walk and the right times to try to hit. One approach doesn't fit all, and a lineup needs balance and versatility. In other words, 9 Hattebergs would be a disaster, no matter what the metrics suggest.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me clarify a little bit

I don't think that there is a "right time" to walk vis a vis get a hit. (Well, clarification to the clarification: I do think that there is a right time to walk vis a vis put the ball in play, as hitters need to be more willing to swing when an out will record a run.) If you draw a walk with 2 outs and runners on second and third, I don't consider it some kind of "wasted opportunity" or "unaggressive." If they wanted to walk you, they'd have done it already.

That said, there is a right kind of walk and a wrong kind of walk. If a pitcher throws 4 straight out of the zone, that's a right kind of walk. If you battle back from 0-2 after two tough pitches to draw an eight-pitch walk, that's a right kind of walk. But if a guy throws you six pitches, 5 of them out of the zone and one of them fat and hittable, and you take the fat one and foul off one of the others, that's not a right kind of walk even though you "worked a 3-2 count."

The A's have been drawing entirely too many of the latter kind of walk against bad pitchers and entirely too few of the middle kind of walk against good pitchers. And I hypothesize that this is because the current lineup lacks hitters with bat control.

And unlike average qua average and speed, both of which are still clearly overpriced in the market relative to their actual value, bat control is not, except insofar as it ties into the pseudo-racialized "gritty/scrappy" stereotype which causes Darin Erstad to still have a job.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To Cliff Notes this post...

If they won't throw a strike, take the walk.

If they throw a meatball, rip it.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True enough

although I think a qualifier to your walk with runners on second and third line.  It is completely unagressive if you're Jack Cust and you're sent up to pinch hit in the 8th.  Especially if you take the first pitch right down the middle for a strike.  Pinch hitters are sent up there to hit not to walk.  Now if the other team pitches around him that's another story altogether.

by IndianaAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 3:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting line from Curtis Granderson's blog

When you are aggressive at the plate and looking to hit a pitch in your zone, you tend to lay off pitches out of your zone. When I try to wait and see the pitch and then make a decision, that's when I always find myself in between and either swing at a bad pitch or not swing at a good pitch.

In other words, looking for your pitch-- and pounding it when you get it-- actually helps you stay away from junk early in an at-bat. Interesting take on things.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That IS interesting

Thanks for the post.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm dating myself now
but Al Oliver said the same thing about 30 years ago.  You go up to the plate looking for your pitch and have to decide not to swing; if you have to decide to swing you're too late at the MLB level.  
I happen to think when guys are behind the fastball and in front of off-speed pitches it's because they are going to the plate without a plan, and are trying to hit what the pitcher is throwing instead of looking for a pitch and sitting on that with less than two strikes.
Thanks for the post PaulThomas, it allowed me to be a bit nostalgic for a minute.

by IndianaAsfan on Aug 2, 2007 8:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been dating myself for years now

I usually pick up the check.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2007 9:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

electronic strike zone anyone??

Piazza's been around, and he says Cust's ability to differentiate between balls and strikes is "phenomenal" (SF Chron).  Yet he gets more called strike threes than most.  The catcher and ump positioning (which he cannot control) cause him a lot of third strike calls.  No matter what, you can't win (i.e. if you fear a ball being called a strike, you will swing even with a poor outcome ensured).

An electronic strike call would allow hitters to refine their judgment...for themselves and themselves only.  Without a need for a "book" on various catchers and umps.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 1, 2007 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a reactionary writeup

Noone thinks it takes only walks to win games.  That is a straw man set for you to knock down.

That said, Cust doesn't knock in two if Swisher doesn't walk the second guy into scoring position and swings away as he had earlier the game.

Just sayin.  

Let's not have this fight over and freaking over.  Noone thinks Scouts are stupid and noone thinks walks are all there is to baseball. You are letting the mainstream media interpretation of Moneyball win the day with this post.

by The Hypocrite on Aug 1, 2007 12:12 AM PDT   0 recs

Nico, did you see Buck...

for what he is at the start of the season, or just now?  Did you see what Kotsay is versus Byrnes in 2005 or just now?

Seriously, do you evaluate talent objectively?  Or, do you just go along with whatever Beane thinks best?

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Aug 1, 2007 5:34 AM PDT   0 recs

To answer each question, Foolsh:
  • I liked Buck pretty quickly, because he knows the strike zone, hits to all fields, has speed, and plays with polish and confidence beyond his experience. I didn't think he'd be this good this quick, though.
  • I never thought Byrnes would hit this well, and I didn't think Kotsay would decline physically quite this fast. I still think Byrnes is a lousy defensive player.
  • I don't know what you mean by "objectively," but to  some extent no--I tend to trust my eyes more than I tend to look up anciallary stats. For example, I liked Rowand his rookie year when his stats weren't great, and my desire to see him in an A's uniform has partly to do with a subjective feeling that he's "the real deal" and can sustain hitting success for the next 5 years. I formed that opinion before his stats warranted it, based on watching him and projecting his career. I felt Crosby was a "head case" who wouldn't improve much back when he was all the rage, ROY, batting 3rd, and "about to put it all together," and felt Haren had what it took to be an ace when others were maxing him out at a decent #2. I think I'm objective, in that I don't favor or disfavor someone based on what team they're on or how I feel about them personally, but I'm subjective in that I trust my eyes and gut as much as this stat or that report.
  • I NEVER go along with whatever Beane thinks best. I have in fact been highly critical of Beane this year, so I don't know why you'd think that even for a minute. In general, I don't go along with anyone or anything; I think for myself and just say what I think, and why.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

other than that...

I agree with you completely.

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Aug 1, 2007 5:45 AM PDT   0 recs

To the batter, a lot of fast balls

taken for strike 3 look like breaking balls that will drop out of the zone.

Oh, and those called third strikes to Melhuse and T-Long were filthy pitches that initially looked like they were going to hit the batters, but then curved over the inside corner.

The real culprits in that game were not the PHers but the middle-of-the-order hitters Miggy and Chavy in the 8th inning for failing yet again to drive in the runner, against a lesser pitcher than Lowe. But I digress.

"We've been kicking other peoples' asses for so long I figure it's time we got ours kicked."

by Checkswing HR on Aug 1, 2007 5:52 AM PDT   0 recs

Suzuki -- did he cover the bunt properly?

It's interesting to read the comments inferring some sort of rift or nonacceptance of Suzuki by the vets. I'll keep my eyes peeled for that.

Also -- and I could be way off here -- but I thought if you had a runner at third and a bunt gets down the catcher's fundamental purpose is to at minimum obstruct the plate, not go for the ball, which Kurt did, leaving Haren with no option but first. That could be why a squeeze works so well, however. And Rabelo did a hell of a job with the high pitch Haren gave him.

All of that said, Suzuki was still the player of the game. He drew a key walk in the chain that got the A's first run in, and then tied the game with that hard single off Verlander. I'll take 3 RBI from the 9-hole any day.

by TacoBellManager on Aug 1, 2007 9:12 AM PDT   0 recs

I could be way off, too...

but that was a great bunt, and the runner was barrelling in.  From my vantage point, it looked like the ball was only a few feet in front of the plate, and even if Suzuki had stayed put, no one else could have picked up & thrown it in time to prevent the run.

(I just looked on mlb.com for a highlight, and of course, they don't have it.)

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Correct--if Suzuki doesn't field it

they don't get the out at first. Perfect execution by the Tigers.

BTW, anti-props to "old school" Leyland for his visit to the mound to "talk at" McBride with the count 3-0. McBride looked humiliated, and his pitching looked similar. There's too unengaged-looking (Geren) and there's too involved-micromanaging (Leyland). Just my 2 cents.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It also really

pissed off Swisher. He stepped away from the plate and started shaking his head in disgust.

The Suziki-bunt thing: I felt from my angle at the ballgame that Suzuky had a shot at the plate but just decided that he wanted to go with the safe bet instead.

I hate to say it and bring the wrath of all the you know who haters but......

Jason Kendall would have left a couple of his teeth at home plate on that play.

And he probably would have gone 0 for 4 stranding 7 runners......oh well you can't be perfect now can you?

by mrod on Aug 1, 2007 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There is no way Kendall, or anyone else could

have gotten Casey, he basically stepped on the plate as the ball hit the dirt, he had that huge a jump off of 3rd base.  Kendall may have left a couple of teeth, but he would have also left a runner on 1st base when he couldn't get the runner at home.

by theblackpearl on Aug 1, 2007 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was in sec. 122

I don't think he could've tagged him out at the plate.  Also, could it be Swisher was just pissed in general that the Tigers pulled that play off so well?  

Nature's first green is gold...

by prana160 on Aug 1, 2007 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What tbp and prana said.

If you were in the bleachers, I'm not surprised Kurt looked like he was close enough to the plate... but from 215 (behind & above), it was easy to see that as close as Kurt was, it still wasn't nearly close enough.

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 1, 2007 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can we release Bowen & bring-up...

Closser or Jeremy Brown

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 1, 2007 1:50 PM PDT   0 recs

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