2 Innings of Pleasure, 7 of Pain
by louismg
on Jul 29, 2007 5:03 PM PDT
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As A's games go, today's was fairly unusual. Prior to first pitch this afternoon, the A's offense had reached double digits on only 9 occasions so far this year. Similarly, the team's pitching had only given up double figures in runs in 7 contests. In none of those games did both happen.
Logically speaking, that should have meant the A's 10-7 lead in the top of the 7th inning would be considered "safe". But it wasn't any more "safe" than the Mariners 6-0 lead in the 2nd or 7-3 margin in the 3rd, because the A's bullpen dramatically collapsed, before our eyes, just as the Mariners' had, when Reitsma and O'Flaherty played the roles of punching bags. Santiago Casilla bottomed out after a questionable hanging pitch to Beltre, later giving a bomb to Ben Broussard, and Huston Street made us wonder what he'd done with the one-time rookie of the year who went by the same name. While he gave up only two "earned" runs in his 2/3 innings of work, two more scored due to a wild throw to first, which was his doing.
In fact, for those who track these types of things, you'd be interested to know the most similar game to today's was last September 25th, when the A's lost 10-9 to these Seattle Mariners, in Seattle. In that game, Street came into the game in the 9th, up 9-6, and gave up 3 runs. The winning pitcher in that game? Some guy named J.J. Putz.
The A's got off on the wrong foot in this game, when Lenny DiNardo didn't impress anybody with his three innings of seven run ball. And while the top of the A's order did their part to put runs on the board, and get on base, the 6-7-8 hitters were a complete washout, as most would expect, considering who we trotted out there.
In fact, while the A's 1-5 batters were a combined 9 for 22 (.409) with 10 RBI, the 6-9 hitters went 4-17 (.235) with no RBI, although Suzuki did score 3 runs following two hits and a walk.
Even in a game where the A's scored 10 runs, throwing out half a lineup wasn't enough to beat the healthy Mariners. While we've seen so many games this season where the hitters let down the pitchers, today, the shoe was on the other foot, and we've got the bootprint to prove it.
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Oh my god!
by mlleaimee on Jul 29, 2007 5:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Rotoworld suggests
the Angels as a trading partner for Piazza. That works for me, especially if they want to give us Joe Saunders.
by jeepers on Jul 29, 2007 5:05 PM PDT 0 recs
That deal won't happen, they need Saunders
Piazza for Pettit.
Book it!
by grover on
Jul 29, 2007 7:13 PM PDT
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Like I said
I hate how we can have so many great things happen in so many games while an aspect of our team has a total and complete meltdown.
Pitching was great yesterday, hitting was shitty
Hitting was awesome today, pitching was the pits
Add Fielding errors in these games and the fact that we are eating it in the season series against Seattle, it makes for an angry me!
This one was all on Geren and the arms!!
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 29, 2007 5:05 PM PDT 0 recs
Hey SMASH. You are finally saying that our
pitching was good yesterday? I guess today's game of DiNardo, Casilla and Street makes Gaudin look like a star now.
I'm just giving you a hard time so please don't consider this an argumentative post :-)
by ohtobe21likehuston on
Jul 29, 2007 5:23 PM PDT
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Yeah
I'm just steamin'
for the record, it is better by comparison though still longball shitty yesterday
no offense taken
ALL ARE PUNISHED!! (a la romeo and juliet movie style)
by oaklandSMASH on
Jul 29, 2007 5:28 PM PDT
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I feel your pain. This season has been tough to
endure and everyone has been tested. Happy AN is a more harmonic functioning entity than PO'd AN, which consists of petty arguments.
I think we should really look forward to the upcoming trades with the hopes that BB can do some magic. He really isn't holding a lot of cards but just think of the players we have traded away. One man's trash is, often times, another man's treasure.
by ohtobe21likehuston on
Jul 29, 2007 5:45 PM PDT
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Geren?
What did Geren do wrong?
The other night everyone blamed him from bringing in Kennedy but it turned out later that Street couldn't pitch so his choices at that point seemed to be basically Kennedy, Marshall or a tired Embree.
The manager can only mix and match with the players he has.
The real problem today was the Mariners righty-heavy lineup outmatched DiNardo.
by SA on Jul 29, 2007 5:10 PM PDT 0 recs
Geren failed with Casilla
I was at the game in Seattle on Sunday, and it was obvious from all the attention by Suzuki for Casilla, that he was upset by Ichiro's bunt and two stolen bases. Geren should have had someone else pitch with Suzuki at third and two outs. Instead, it was single, then HR, with a lefty bat and RHP situation ignored and results being a tie game.
I'd say this was all on the manager Geren.
He also should have left Brown in another inning or so. Mariners looked over-matched, and they had no "book" on Brown.
by One won lost won on
Jul 30, 2007 3:37 PM PDT
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is it next season yet?
by larrysgurl on Jul 29, 2007 5:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Word
To the motherland
by mlleaimee on Jul 29, 2007 5:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Its been a tough July
It would be nice to see what we can get for Piazza at this point. I think Billy has a few trades brewing before all is said and done
by Shippee33 on Jul 29, 2007 6:30 PM PDT 0 recs
googling directions to diva village
by ak_A on Jul 29, 2007 6:32 PM PDT 0 recs
So you think that we wont
See Barton untill the september call ups? or do you think that when Beane semi formally raises the white flag on 2007 and trades Piazza, that we see barton get playing time then. How many games does he have to appear in before his Arbitration clock starts, and he is considered a rookie?
by Shippee33 on Jul 29, 2007 7:21 PM PDT 0 recs
too many bad regulars on this a's team
lack of production from veterans and established players like Chavvy, Crosby, Kendall and Kotsay and injuries to key parts like Piazza, Street and Harden. Throw in a couple of poor front office decisions and a young rookie manager who is still learning to manage at this level and you have a recipe for failure.
the worst part of the failure this year is that the AL is going to be wide open this year. Every team has its flaws and if the A's had put together a healthy team we might have had a really good postseason run.
i just hope we dont repeat the same mistakes next year.
by oak1 on Jul 29, 2007 8:16 PM PDT 0 recs
This team seems flat without Travis Buck
I saw the game yesterday. Ouch. Awesome pitching by Gaudin but no support outside of Donnie Murphy (wow, what a great find!). I hope they keep Murphy and dump Crosby. What's wrong with Buck?
by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 29, 2007 9:38 PM PDT 0 recs
How does Murphy project out long term
for the A's? Any chance Crosby ends up being dumped and Murphy being given the starter job?
by alox on
Jul 29, 2007 10:32 PM PDT
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Really hard to say
Murphy was projected to become an offensive minded 2B, I have no idea how his defense will hold up at SS. There were questions about his range as a 2B, I can't imagine him being any better at SS.
Then again, most of my stuff on Murphy is a couple years old. KC rushed him, bumping him from A+ to the Show for his 1st cup of coffee in 2004. He missed a lot of development time in 2005 and 2006 being injured or shuffled from AA to KC.
His AAA numbers are a bit of an illusion. He started hot, got hurt, got healthy and was immediately called up to Oakland, got sent down again, played a little in Sac, got called up again and I think got sent back down and then called right back up when Crosby got hurt.
I can't project Murphy's long term chances with the stuff I have on hand. We'll just have to see how he performs in Oakland for the next couple months. That will give us a better indication than anything I could come up with.
by grover on
Jul 29, 2007 11:07 PM PDT
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I just hope
we will actually get to see how he performs in Oakland instead of seeing his facial expressions in the dugout as Chavy winces the ball over to first and Scutaro swims upstream at SS.
by mikeA on
Jul 29, 2007 11:57 PM PDT
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Elsewhere in A's alumni-land
Milton Bradley went 3 for 6 scoring 3 times bringing in 2 runs in the Padres 18-11 win against the Houston Astros.
What happened Billy?
by Hit4TheCycle on Jul 29, 2007 10:11 PM PDT 0 recs
seriously
there better be some deals in the next 2 days. There is no reason to hang onto Piazza, DJ, or Stewart for that matter. If you can get anything for any of them DO IT. Stewart and DJ are only signed through this year so why not get SOMETHING for them. I am going to be really angry if some deals don't go down really soon.
by marco magic on Jul 29, 2007 10:45 PM PDT 0 recs
Trade update for all
Looks like only piazza is wanted. Beane said there has been no hits on Kennedy. I guess they know he sucks too. DJ to the yanks deal is dead and done. There is a rumor about blanton but according to one writer the A's are asking salot for him. And they should.
by the way has anybody notice Jeremy Brown is playing third and hitting pretty good lately?
by Arcman on Jul 29, 2007 10:59 PM PDT 0 recs
Jeremy Brown
He's been playing 3B, 1B and C and I haven't noticed many errors.
by grover on
Jul 29, 2007 11:09 PM PDT
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Where did you hear this?
Links please.
And anything on Shannon Stewart?
by grover on
Jul 29, 2007 11:10 PM PDT
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on the net
Sfgate and foxsports had things about the a's. Some rumors are funny to read like kotsay for Damon? Like the A's can afford a bigger contract. Or Soriano for keilty?
As for Stewart I have heard nothing about the A's trying to trade him. If Beane is offering him in trade he is keeping it quiet. A texeiria deal is holding up a few teams. Other than that trade rumors has been very quiet.
by Arcman on
Jul 29, 2007 11:17 PM PDT
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Some links
The one about Blanton is by way of Ken Rosenthal. He says Mets inquired, but we wanted more than they were willing to pay.
The buzz that surrounded DJ a few days ago seems to have stopped, which might suggest interest in him cooled. I haven't seen anyone pronouncing the deal dead, though. It still gets a mention in today's Newsday.
I'm not hearing anything about Stewart. I don't think he's being targeted by anyone.
Piazza is the only A I still think is likely to move, though even with him it's not obvious who is a good trade partner. I really don't see the Angels trading for him. The Angels just aren't a trading team.
by iglew on
Jul 30, 2007 1:57 AM PDT
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Did Street look hurt still?
Anybody notice any issues with his mechanics?
by jubjub on Jul 30, 2007 7:14 AM PDT 0 recs
I was at the game, and I could not tell
if anything was different. Shoot, he gave up a double to Jojima, and he looked rattled from there. But he was still in the 90's and eager to pitch.
by One won lost won on
Jul 30, 2007 3:41 PM PDT
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Tex to Braves
Let the Piazza to Angels drive begin...
The Braves are on the verge of acquiring Rangers first baseman Mark Teixeira.
The deal is done, pending a review of the medical records of the players involved, according to major-league sources.
The Braves will receive Teixeira and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay.The Rangers will receive catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus and two pitching prospects.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7...
by jubjub on Jul 30, 2007 8:36 AM PDT 0 recs
my trade outlooks
DJ staying because the A's don't need to trade him for nothing and can use him for backup if Barton fails to impress during spring training or a injury
Piazza will be traded if the A's get a decent offer. Again why trade him because the A's could bring him back next year or get draft picks if he leaves.
Stewart stays since outfeilders are a dime a dozen this year. Like piazza keep him and resign in off season or lose and get draft picks
Blanton Joke offers so far he stays.
Kennnedy traded on last day for a player to be named later
keilty same as above
by Arcman on Jul 30, 2007 9:54 AM PDT 0 recs
Sadly, seems about right
What about packaging someone like Braden with DJ or Stewart or JoKe or Kielty to snag a higher level (maybe high ceiling) prospect? Maybe someone who can play, I dunno, SS or CF?
by Nico on
Jul 30, 2007 9:56 AM PDT
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One trade that would
kind of make sense is for the Angels to acquire Piazza and Joe Kennedy--who as a lefty reliever would actually be an upgrade over Darren Oliver--for either Joe Saunders or fallen-out-of-favor E. Santana. If the Angels think they can win it all in 2007, it might be worth it to them to make that trade even though it would make the A's better in 2008 and wouldn't make the Angels better in 2008.
by Nico on Jul 30, 2007 10:03 AM PDT 0 recs
would be a good trade but
Stoneman the angels GM is a idiot. Even angels fans will tell you that. Every year they are a about 1 or 2 players away from a great team but he doesn't trade any of his propects. I like both pitchers saunders and santana but I can bet you that stoneman doesn't want to trade them.
Brandon Wood is the next top prospect that the angels will hold on to long and watch his shinning star fade. The angels had a offer on the table for santana last year and nixed the deal to bring in a top player.
by Arcman on
Jul 30, 2007 10:29 AM PDT
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As fair a trade as my proposal may be
for the Angels, it is an excellent deal for the A's. Even if the Angels felt it helped them, they might reasonably not want to make a division rival better for the future. But with Piazza, I think LAA is a legitimate World Series contender in 2007--heck, without him they have a shot in a wide open field.
by Nico on
Jul 30, 2007 10:50 AM PDT
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