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4 Score! And 7 Years Ago, The A's Last Won A Baseball Game

Perhaps the ultimate embarrassment came just a few minutes ago, when Mike Piazza requested to extend his stay in Stockton because he feels he needs a higher level of competition. OK, that didn’t happen but everything else did, such as:

• The A’s scored 4 runs in a game for the first time in 12 games—and they lost by 7 runs.

• The only time Joe Kennedy could find the plate was when he was trying to throw to third base.

And so on. But whether it was A’s pitchers giving up runs all 3 innings after the A’s had scored, or Suzuki unable to throw out a base stealer on a pitchout, or Crosby unable to handle a one-hopper to SS, or giving up triples to Vazquez, sacrifice flies to short RF, and a 5/5 to Michael Young, there is a bottom, bottom line and that is that the A’s tonight were not futile, they were utterly embarrassing.

And lifeless. I couldn’t help but note Chavez’ interview comment, aired at the start of the broadcast, about how Ron Washington brought tremendous energy and life to the field every day. I thought about how the A’s lost Wash in the off-season, then lost Milton Bradley three weeks ago, and now no longer seem to be able to show any life or win any baseball games. I’m not sure there’s any connection, I’m really not. I just know that the A’s look so bad, and so lifeless, right now that I can’t find words that could adequately convey how bad things have gotten in Oakland. Which is why I’m going to bed. G’nite.

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Ididn't think that they looked lifeless.

They just looked shitty. Lifeless can be fixed. Shitty can't.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 10:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Jul 17, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I am going to Las Vegas next week... the timing is great. Can't stand another week of thinking about this season. Anyone else need a break?

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was the first time

I thought they looked lifeless. Deer in the headlights lifeless, like they were waiting for bad things to happen and then making sure.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 17, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, in context

even shitty can be fixed, if players play at their potential.  Playing well below their ability could be fixed.  The trouble is, overlapping sub-par performances.  See Suzuki, not-Ichiro.  See pitching (pick any).

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 18, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After looking at LL's "Sinking Ship" logo...

I decided to try, with my own limited photoshop skills. This is just tongue in cheek, for laughs.

"My conclusion is that sportswriters just fucking love food." - Fire Joe Morgan

by JLaff on Jul 17, 2007 10:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL JLAFF

That was so cool. Love it.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, that is so funny!

Is Kendall on a life preserver, or was he so scared he crapped his pantalones?

A's Brand 2007 Titanic Baseball

Brilliant

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2007 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of the above...

He jumped ship, the lower half of his body was eaten by a shark, and his upper half gritted its way to the treeless island.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Jul 17, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice
"It doesn't even say that on Wikipedia!"-Meredith

by CTAsGirl on Jul 18, 2007 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Lookout Landing

already uses a sinking ship. The Titanic, in fact.

Instead, show a railroad train on its side, with various Athletic players either squashed, or with an arm or leg caught underneath the wreckage of tumbled, jumbled passenger cars.  Show Larry Davis suveying the various injured, standing there scratching his head saying, "Who's next?? ...!!"  Show Kendall leaving the scene saying the clever equivalent to "Huh? I wasn't there.  What wreck?"

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 18, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall...

...looks like he's in Southpark.  Only thing missing is an expletive.

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, the A's lost

Just a warning Nico, I shoot to maim.

Why do I always have to be the one to suffer through your exibition streaks?

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 17, 2007 10:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just hope

you shoot at my "member," so that if your aim is off by an inch I'm guaranteed to come out of it unscathed.

'k, NOW I'm going to bed.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 17, 2007 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did we trade Kendall for Cubs fans?

Because suddenly "wait 'til next year" seems so easy to say...

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jul 17, 2007 10:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or Brooklyn Dodger fans.

Even. Did anyone see the great show on HBO about them?

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

REAL FANS

Keep the faith.  

"Schilling is an A-hole. The End." Amnesiac727

by LilAnnieOaktown on Jul 17, 2007 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Real fans stick with the team...

and hope. But real fans don't have to be naive.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fan since 1968.

How many of you can say that.  So long you bunch of a-holes!

"Schilling is an A-hole. The End." Amnesiac727

by LilAnnieOaktown on Jul 17, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me.

I started watching when we moved to Cali in 1977. But they've been my one and only team ever since. The A's have been fun to watch ,,,for us longtimers ey?

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

raises hand
Okay, ASB come and gone...time to make the run...or not.

by ak_A on Jul 18, 2007 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me Too, Me Too

...But that won't stop me from raggin' on Crosby. I enjoyed my  A's then with the naiveté of youth, today I enjoy them with a hardened cynicism.

Oh yeah, uh...I was at the flower shop too. Yep. Getting drunk at the ol' flower shop. - Homer Simpson

by DCinWC on Jul 18, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real fans

can be realists

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between blind faith...

...and realism.

Bottom of the 9th - Baseball photojournalism by James Venes

by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2007 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is also a real difference between

being a real fans and being a long time fan. Most people who are long time fans can be considered real fans, but I have met exceptions.

As for me, I've taught myself to be an A's fan. Does that make me less of a fan than someone who watched the move from KC to Oakland?

I believe if you spend your time here on AN you are probably a real fan. Although I respect the Athletic Fan Elders, I never buy the whole because I was a fan physically longer than you I am a better fan than you explanation. And the A-hole comment to your allies is not appreciated.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2007 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
Bottom of the 9th - Baseball photojournalism by James Venes

by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2007 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

real fans will rag on their team but..

they will follow their team no matter the circumstances and care enough to talk about it no matter what the score.

"This guy threw at his own son in a father-son game." -Harry Doyle from Major League

by greenandgoldpolarbear on Jul 18, 2007 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's about it

This isn't about choosing sides in Bosnia, or Hutus versus Tutsis.  No gunfire involved.

It's about entertainment.  Right now, the A's are increasingly void of entertainment.  I'll direct my attention elsewhere, for an increasing fraction of my day.

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 18, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right.

Even when you're a big fan ...you don't get as excited over a losing squad as you would over a winning squad. Silly to think anything else.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 18, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Art Howe a bat

He's probably a better hitter than these stiffs. He'd be the most exciting guy on the team

"Flying a plane is like riding a bicycle...it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --Airplane!

by SalParadise on Jul 17, 2007 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL..now that was funny.

Ty for the smile. A good place for me to say NYtol.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2007 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we really missed huston street tonight.

you know, it would've been fun if cust's sac fly would have been a grand slam.  sure, we would've lost, but it would've been fun.  while all hope for the a's may be lost, i'd still like to see custy get hot again.

Hi ho.

by danh on Jul 17, 2007 10:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If it was a GS, then they would have

used the better relief pitchers, like
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uh
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who are they again?
Embr.. no
Cale... no
Bro... no
Jo.. no
Casillia .. OK - one inning.
How many more innings do I have to cover?

by MobiusKlein on Jul 17, 2007 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont want to waste energy writing a Crosby rant

So...

<insert mandatory Crosby rant here>

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 17, 2007 11:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good win today.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 17, 2007 11:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The A's lost but this pic still made me laugh...

[insert caption here]

"When they start the game, they don't yell, 'Work ball.' They say, 'Play ball.'" ~Willie Stargell

by alamedagirl on Jul 17, 2007 11:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I bet Craig Paquette is just hanging out.....

somewhere in need of a job, he could probably play SS...LOL...When do we ask for the return of Rickey....OH DEAR!!!!

There is no A in OFFENSE!!

by wacchampions on Jul 17, 2007 11:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ken Macha

is probably chuckling right about now. I liked what someone posted earlier about why was Crosby batting 5th? That is just bizaare why Geren would bat him 5th and not 9th. For gawd's sake put Lachemann in charge and put Geren on the bench where he can be the rah rah coach and not be allowed to make any serious game decisions.

by pedoman on Jul 17, 2007 11:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gaudin

When will it be time to remove Gaudin from the "untouchable because he's such an integral part of our future" club and realize that he's very quickly reverting to his pre-07 form. Namely, lots of walks, poor ERA.

Look, I'm not saying we get rid of him or anything, but let's call a spade a spade. The Gaudin we saw in April and May was not the real Chad Gaudin. I'm afraid this current Gaudin bears a much stronger resemblance to the Gaudin we picked up before last season. Even as a reliever last year, he had a low ERA, but the peripherals suggested a disaster waiting to happen.

It appears that this disaster might be upon us.

by Crosbino on Jul 17, 2007 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He just may be a reliever, not a starter.

At 24, it's far too early to throw in the towel.  His stuff is great, and command can improve.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jul 17, 2007 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not throwing in the towel

Just trying to slow down the "New Big 3" discussions a bit ...

As for command: what's troubling is that, yes, he's 24, but he's been pitching for a few years in the bigs and his command hasn't improved. It did spike a bit in April/May but he's back in what I would consider dangerous territory: walking for more guys than he strikes out.

I know he's got great stuff, but without control that's pretty worthless. I'm just thinking the league might have figured him out: not to bite on the wicked breaking stuff and let him walk you. It's like when teams realized that if they just laid off Zito's curve, they could rattle him and force a walk.

by Crosbino on Jul 17, 2007 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's too many innings

he only pitched like 80+ innings last year. He is over 120+ this year already. That jump in innings can easily explain his performance drop off. I thought as his innings climbed he would become less effective. That happens when you move someone from the pen to the rotation. They can’t expect 200 innings out of him. If they do he will not be effective next season or injured. He should start to be skipped in the rotation and limited in innings and pitch count from now on. I hope Curt Young reads Will Carroll.

In England all A's fans are "Athletic Supporters"

by Athletics Fan In London on Jul 18, 2007 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AAA talent, Major League prices.

Not a good mix.

Bottom of the 9th - Baseball photojournalism by James Venes

by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2007 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read an article

which states that the A's have used nine different center fielders this year.  Wow.

Trying to guess who they are...

Kotsay
Stewart
Swisher
Bradley
Snelling
Putnam
Langerhans
Buck?

That's only eight, if Buck is even right.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jul 17, 2007 11:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kielty,

not Buck, according the baseball-reference.com.

"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane

by day-to-day on Jul 17, 2007 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Buck finish in CF tonight?

Or are they talking about who's started there?

Bottom of the 9th - Baseball photojournalism by James Venes

by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2007 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's his first appearance there

he'd be number 10.  Somebody has to ride the bench on your all-CF team.  Plus, he'd be a good fit for the bench on your team made entirely of centerfielders, too.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jul 17, 2007 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, it was his first appearance there

I was at work so I didn't realize he'd played there tonight.

And that list is everyone who's spent any time in CF, Flashfire (Kielty's played only two innings there), but baseball-reference hasn't added tonight's games yet.

"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane

by day-to-day on Jul 18, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simple formula for losing...

(i know it's obvious, but still) Crosby at SS + Kennedy pitching in a close game = loss. If Billy Beane can trade Kendall for a major league player, why couldn't he do the same with crosby and kennedy? or at least get somebody for them.

by swisherroks33 on Jul 17, 2007 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're next

I think Kennedy, Stewart, Piazza are definitely gone. Crosby might be but we'd have to get something in return. We have no real replacement for him now.

by Crosbino on Jul 17, 2007 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

replacements...

The A's could try Murphy, Scutaro, or Furmaniak at SS. With the season mostly lost, barring a miracle, it doesn't look like it would hurt a whole lot to try those.

Maybe they could get a shortstop in free agency next year, except i really don't know who the a's could get, does anyone have a list of possible FA shortstops the a's could get?

by swisherroks33 on Jul 17, 2007 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to the Cot's Baseball Contracts website

Free Agent Shortstops after 2007:
David Eckstein(STL)
Cesar Izturis (CHC)
John McDonald (TOR)
Neifi Perez (DET)
Omar Vizquel (SF)

Juan Uribe(CHW)and Ramon E Martinez(LAD)have options for 2008.

"When they start the game, they don't yell, 'Work ball.' They say, 'Play ball.'" ~Willie Stargell

by alamedagirl on Jul 17, 2007 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind Eckstein.

The A's aren't going to do it, though, because Crosby makes too much money.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jul 17, 2007 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit.

We're screwed.

by Crosbino on Jul 17, 2007 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts exactly...

the free agent class of shortstops after 2008 looks better, but not sure we can wait that long...

Orlando Cabrera (LAA)
Alex Cintron (CWS)
Alex Cora (BOS)
Adam Everett (HOU)
Rafael Furcal (LAD)
Cristian Guzman (WAS)
Cesar Izturis (CHC)

Juan Uribe(CWS)and Ramon Martinez(LAD)if '08 options are exercised.
Edgar Renteria(ATL)and Craig Counsell(MIL)if '09 options are declined.

"When they start the game, they don't yell, 'Work ball.' They say, 'Play ball.'" ~Willie Stargell

by alamedagirl on Jul 17, 2007 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izturis

take a flier...lost his job in Chi this year, and rightly so, but for like 1.5 mill or something, he's gold glove-caliber, at least he can bring defense, and not have to torment us with offensive talent that will never materialize.

If not...Neifi!

by Cutthemullet on Jul 18, 2007 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just got back from the game...

crosby had an awful game.  during his last 2 at bats, the fans (what little were left) were booing loudly.  he wasn't just bad with the bat, but also the glove.  he muffed balls, made bad throws and made ill advised throws.  he looked totally lost in all aspects of the game.

johnson is the goat of the game.  how many guys did he leave on base?  end of story.

kotsay.  no place on this team any longer.

kennedy.  no place on this team any longer.

here's the game and the fans feeling a nutshell.  after the 5 run 7th inning, one fan in a section to my left (124) ran down the steps to the field and threw his A's cap onto the field.  he was SCREAMING AT CROSBY.  he was giving up.  security came and got him.  no worries.  as security was getting this fan, lew wolff was heading for the door.  he'd seen enough and was shrugging his shoulders as he walked up the stairs.

nice.

by inbillywetrust on Jul 17, 2007 11:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally sasw that guy too. I was sitting in

the second deck right above him and couldn't hear what he was yelling but was damn proud of him throwing his cap on the field in disgust and storming out.

He seemed to care about the loss 100x more than any of the players.  Seems like all the fans care more than the players right now.

You're killing me smalls!

by marco magic on Jul 17, 2007 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

best part was that

the guy got escorted out and then made his way back into the section somehow.  sure enough security found him again and escorted him out again...this time in cuffs.  awesome.

not sure i agree that the players don't care.  i do think they care.  they (crosby, kotsay, kennedy) just shouldn't be playing professional baseball.

by inbillywetrust on Jul 18, 2007 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure they should play

professional ball.  In Stockton.

Crosby should be back at Sacto, minimum.  Maybe the Double-AA team in Texas.

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 18, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too many goats

Name it, you got it.
(except Cust.  3 of 4 rbi, 2 walks.)

by MobiusKlein on Jul 17, 2007 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a few other heroes

scutaro had a good game and almost hit a huge 3 run bomb.

cust was clearly the star.

ellis had a good night.

stewart had a decent night.

other than that, nobody played worth a darn.

by inbillywetrust on Jul 17, 2007 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was there too and seen everything.

My season tickets are in section 124 the last two years. This was the first time I've ever ever left an A's game before the final out. I must have left before the fan snuck back in but did see him throw his hat on the field.

Now offering great deal...on a 2007 Chavy with no clutch. - Nico

by 66th ave tailgatter on Jul 18, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I spent money to watch this

excuse for a baseball team.........oh wait I didn't I just got a really cheap jersey :) WOOHOO Danny!

ps that was the worst game I have ever witnessed in person and yes I have been to little league games.

You're killing me smalls!

by marco magic on Jul 17, 2007 11:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you know if the team moms had the...

...CapriSun and orange slices ready for the team after the game tonight?

Bottom of the 9th - Baseball photojournalism by James Venes

by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2007 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just got back from the game too

A lot of people left...but a lot of people stayed to the bitter end.  

This was the first time I've heard a significant amount of booing by A's fans of our own players, directed at Kennedy and at Crosby.  As a rule, I don't believe that fans should boo their own players -- but in this case I'm prepared to make an exception.  I saw Kennedy wiping his eyes as he went into the dugout and I wasn't sorry that I had just suggested to my section that the next time we saw Joe in a uniform in the Coliseum it had better be Aramark.

I did enjoy seeing the all-Hawaiian, all-Nikkei battery.  And Komine wasn't bad.  

Some people in the left field bleachers had pro-Kendall signs...."Kravin' Kendall" and I couldn't read all of the other one (because I wasn't sitting in the LFB where I belong).

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by Englishmajor on Jul 17, 2007 11:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy in an Aramark uniform.

I think you're on to something--he does have a knack for putting things right in the middle of a plate.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jul 17, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i call joe kennedy...

the human gas can.  no conflagaration he can't make worse.

by inbillywetrust on Jul 17, 2007 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he might throw it onto the ground.

i propose him working as pitching machine feeder.(unless he manages to find a way to put balls through the machine incorrectly)

"This guy threw at his own son in a father-son game." -Harry Doyle from Major League

by greenandgoldpolarbear on Jul 18, 2007 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QOTM

That is a perfect observation.

Love the "Aramark" think!  True LOL on both remarks.

One thing about AN.  Invention and creativity are great here.  Not to mention the stats.  Thanks, one and all!

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 18, 2007 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were you in 119 by any chance?

Someone who fits my mental image of you was right behind us -- and stayed to the bitter end.    

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 18, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I was in 220

right behind the kids who were horsing around and threw the (mostly empty) cup down into 119 in the eighth inning.   Hope it didn't hit you!  They did not even get tossed for it (which I was fine with, because they didn't intend it to go over the railing).  

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by Englishmajor on Jul 18, 2007 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the 8th inning, I wouldn't have noticed.

Earlier in the game, my GF and I were reduced to competing to toss peanut shells into a discarded beverage carrier in the gap between rows 20 and 21.  

I officially had the third worst aim in the stadium last night -- and the very worst of anyone not a member of the A's.    

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 18, 2007 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a general rule

I, too, am against booing.  But I did boo both Joe Kennedy and Bobby Crosby last night.  I kept score for the first seven innings and then my daughter made me stop.  What a poor excuse for a game.

I would much rather see Marco play ss for the rest of the year.  I've had it with Crosby and Kennedy.

"There's not a moment of peace and quiet in this damn clubhouse." ~~ Nick Swisher

by luvsthecurveball on Jul 18, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good time to be an A's fan!

Well, it's better than about a month ago when we knew the A's were bad but they were hiding it. The reason: 2008! A month ago I was hurting during every loss. Now I don't care! Because I have given up on the season. I personally am excited about the trade possibilities, and how they can help the team for next year.

We've got an OK core: Haren, Blanton, and Gaudin starting (although Gaudin is still suspect), with Street, Duke and Casilla in the bullpen. I am hoping the front office gets smart and makes Harden a reliever; then the bullpen would be REALLY exciting. The offense is a different story: the nucleus is basically Swisher, Buck, Barton, and Suzuki, plus Chavez, who I'm sure isn't being shopped around. Plus Cust at DH. That's not as exciting as the pitching core, but Buck and Barton should be good players for years to come. If Beane can get a few good players in some deals in the next few weeks, 2008 could be REALLY exciting.

Also, if we drop a few more big contracts, like Kotsay's, we could have some real money to play with in the offseason. I don't really think we'll be big players or anything, but we'll have some options. Kendall's and Piazza's contracts will be gone, so that's $16 mil right there. That's not chump change at all.

To top it all off: if we keep playing this awful, we'll have a high draft pick next summer. A smart draft can help a team within a few years. Of course that won't help the 2008 season, but it's another reason for excitement.

In summary: forget 2007. If you're going to a game this year, enjoy the game of baseball. Hopefully, you'll see a new, younger team on the field by the beginning of August. Enjoy young players learning the game at the big league level. An A's win would be icing on the cake.

That's my take on things, anyway.

by Philip Christy on Jul 18, 2007 12:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely.

It's still a little hard to stomach the offense, but I'm getting better. Tonight was pretty bad though as right after Johnson's 1st inning DP I ran a red light and only realized about 30 seconds after.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 18, 2007 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robert Buan proposed on the radio

that Crosby misses Ron Washington the most on and off the field, but won't admit it.

My reaction: Quit with the excuses. He sucks.

"When they start the game, they don't yell, 'Work ball.' They say, 'Play ball.'" ~Willie Stargell

by alamedagirl on Jul 18, 2007 12:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

at first i was pro-geren

but now i think the players appreciate and respect wash much more and are starting to be impatient with "billy" bob geren.

"This guy threw at his own son in a father-son game." -Harry Doyle from Major League

by greenandgoldpolarbear on Jul 18, 2007 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ron Washington was a loss.
Meltdown Bradley not so much....

by atomopawn on Jul 18, 2007 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley

Say what you want about Bradley, but the guy played his ass off. Every day. You can't say that about everyone on the team right now.

Bradley is exactly the type of guy the A's need right now, to try to get some life into the team after this freaking losing streak.

by rageon on Jul 18, 2007 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyday? Bradley? More like once a month. I'm

sure the team misses Bradley's monthly tantrums.

by Bacon on Jul 18, 2007 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's been more talk about Bradley...

since he left than there was while he was here.  That's usually a sign of greatness...well, for authors and playwrights anyway.

by Cutthemullet on Jul 18, 2007 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley...
...didn't play enough to make any kind of impact. He should be thrilled there was a team to take yet another chance on a guy that makes a lot of noise - from the bench. He can play, and well, but was on the DL - what? 4 times in 1/2 a season?

Would live to hear what Lachman has to say about this team.

by doubleplayer on Jul 18, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kendall trade side effect

no, i'm not referring to poor pitch selection.

kendall was our own armando benitez style whipping boy.  and now, it seems that all the anger that was pointed to him has to be re-allocated to other players.  sure, people were pissed at others before, but i really believe that crosby and others just got bumped up the goat ladder.  if we could just lower our expectations for crosby from tejada-esque to .230, we'd all be happier.

as for go-dan, for someone who was supposed to be our 8th or so starter (haren harden loiza blanton kennedy komine braden...), maybe not big 3, but i'm still happy with him and he's #5 on my list of..

brightest spots on your 2007 A's season:

  1. haren
  1. the cust surprise
  1. the kendall trade
  1. blanton
  1. gaudin
  1. early season 9th inning magic moments
  1. buck
Hi ho.

by danh on Jul 18, 2007 12:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well I'm really glad

I stopped checking the score on my crackberry when it was still 3-3. Knowing the rest until now really saved my night.

Today was the first time all season I didn't care about missing the A's game.

OTOH, Harry Potter 5 was really good.

"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Jul 18, 2007 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know something that could make things worse!

C'mon, dare me to say it...

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 18, 2007 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well do it already

do you really need the bait?

"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Jul 18, 2007 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I'm wanting the attention. Besides, the build up makes it that much better.

Or worse in this case.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 18, 2007 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't get the attention I craved
Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 18, 2007 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We love you, grover.
"It was just about to happen, at long last, and then we saw the giant badger." ~ mikeA

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2007 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

But it's too late. I was willing to make things worse last night, now I'm on to bringing the happiness.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 18, 2007 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the warmth and fuzziness, as the case may be.
"It was just about to happen, at long last, and then we saw the giant badger." ~ mikeA

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2007 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That goes without saying

Well... it could have gone without saying but there you go saying it so now that its been said, you know, there you go.

Bask in it.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 18, 2007 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First time in 4 years

I have left a game before it was over. Before that, I didn't have any control, since my dad held the car keys. But since I have had my own season tickets, I have NEVER left a game early.

I almost made it to the end. Even though it was 10pm, I have to work tomorrow and I am SUPER tired, I didn't want to leave. But when the 11th run was scored, I just couldn't take it anymore and I left. I was slightly ashamed of myself, and held my head very low as I left, but I couldn't take the torture any longer.

On another note, I don't agree with the booing, and not just because a good chunk was directed at my boy, but because we are not Yankees Fans. But Kennedy, I will proudly stand and boo him any time he steps foot on the mound. He is horrific!! I don't understand why Geren continues to insist on sending that man to the hill when he obviously has no idea what he is doing! That man need to be removed from this team PRONTO!

I am exhausted. I don't think I can take much more of this. I completely agree that the fire has been taken from this team and given to the Rangers, Padres, and Cubs. I completely believe that by trading Kendall, Billy was telling the team, 2007 is over, there is no hope. And with Billy raising the white flag on the season, why should the guys bother to fight any longer? Why? There is nothing left to fight for.

I don't want to give up on the season, but if Billy has, why shouldn't I?

"I'm already in Barry's head! He doesn't want to play against ME!" - Kotsay on facing Zito, Fan Fest 2007

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jul 18, 2007 1:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yankee fans

I watched Tor-NYY tonight, and even in the midst of the Yankees' resurgence, even down by only one run in a game that they would eventually win in extras (really good game, mind you, though I was rooting for FT and co of course), fans were booing Johnny Damon...granted, he's slumping, but he's done a lot for them, and wound up scoring the tying run in the ninth, I believe.  I was surprised Abreu didn't also get booed after his fifth hitless AB; I guess he's at least earned a 2-week grace period or so.

As for giving up on the season, yeah, it's a tough pill to swallow if you have season tickets and such.  AN Day won't be quite the same.  But...I'll only be upset if the ONLY trade he makes is Kendall (and Bradley, though that was a gift, not a trade).  As long as some more rebuilding is done to strengthen the team for 2008 (this is the one time I really don't think Billy could even offer the "we're buyers and sellers" argument), well, that's what needs to be done.  If, however, he keeps Kennedy and especially Kotsay, with deluded plans to keep the latter as the starting CF for next year also, I'll be pissed.  

But no matter what, I already won my bet with FSU, I just remembered...the Kendall trade qualifies as a "big move", does it not?

by Cutthemullet on Jul 18, 2007 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy

I knew Kennedy had been bad recently, but I didn't fully understand it until I took at look at his game log:

0.2 IP, 2 R
0.0 IP, 1 R
2.1 IP, 1 R
0.2 IP, 2 R
0.2 IP, 4 R (in a freaking start!)

Just awful stuff.

by rageon on Jul 18, 2007 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I toyed with the idea of leaving

after the 7th inning.  I never leave games, either (except one I had to leave because my sister can't stay up late on weeknights and we were going into extra innings) (and I don't invite my sister to weeknight games anymore now), but last night I was tired, annoyed, bored, disgusted... the game was just dragging ON and ON and ON... so I thought I should probably just leave.  I don't know why I decided to stay.  It certainly wasn't because I thought they were going to be able to pull 8 runs out of thin air in 2 innings to win the game.  Or, better yet, 8 runs in an inning and a half and end it earlier!  Yeah!  No.

"It was just about to happen, at long last, and then we saw the giant badger." ~ mikeA

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2007 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: 34250 in PH2!

I'm on the "top scores" list!

"He did a great job. It was hot." -- Bob Geren on Dan Haren

by oblique on Jul 18, 2007 1:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of records

is there any doubt that this is the worst team in all of baseball?  By the end of the week we'll be in last place, and then KC and Tampa will blow by us sometime before September.  Gross.

by sprtsnwyn on Jul 18, 2007 4:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

right now...

they are the worst.  I don't expect that to continue for the rest of the season

by Cutthemullet on Jul 18, 2007 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As totally crappy as they're playing right now...

...it's not going to continue for the rest of the season.

This season should be a wake-up call to the "powers that be", however, about which players are dependable... both physically and skill-wise.

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2007 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dead Men Walking-Last place defines the worst

The Rangers have better players at almost every position. Our best offensive player came off the minor league dung heap---too flawed for any other team. Even starters--now that our three best starters are worn down and will play back to their historic averages this could be a very ugly second half. For most of the young players this will be their first meaningless season--Welcome to Pittsburgh.

by Aparicio11 on Jul 18, 2007 6:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Last couple years...

...many people would complain at times of lifelessness and complacency and blame it on Macha and his wet-towell personality, and Washington and Bradley were around then.

I do think that attitude and "intangibles" do play a part, but I don't think any one person can be wholly blamed or credited, especially as a motivator of others.  It has to come from within, and at some point players have to suck it up and be responsible for themselves.  I understand they're still human beings, and everybody has emotional ups and downs in their day-to-day lives, but this is the major leagues where that should be minimized, not little league with a bunch of immature 10 year olds.  They either want to win, and get excited about that, or they don't.

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2007 7:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The new Rincon

I liked Geren until he found his Rincon.  Why has Joe Kennedy been allowed to be so terrible in close games in the Majors.  Can't he go to Stockton to work things out or just get cut.

I know it is not really fair to look back like this but how does Tejada at SS, Teahan at 3B, and Andre Ethier in the OF sound about right now.  Ethier is the toughest one to think about because he went to the Dodgers and we now officially have nothing to show for it.

Another one we have nothing to show for is Hudson.  Boy would he look good in the rotation right now.  But I guess the Mulder deal cancels that bad decision out.  Speaking of the Mulder deal, can we call Barton up already so we have a reason to watch.

Lord I pray there are lots more trades coming.  Lets get what we can for Stewart, Johnson, Piazza, and Kotsay.  Hell, maybe even Crosby and Chavez.

by steeraw on Jul 18, 2007 7:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Off

I turned my MLB.tv off as soon as Kennedy threw that ball away.  This team is pathetic right now...I can't believe we just lost a series to the Rangers...and only scored 5 runs in 2 games so far against them (with Cust driving in all 4 last night)...

But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Jul 18, 2007 7:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

That's exactly when I turned MLB.tv off myself. Well, my first move was to utter something to the extent of "F___ing Joe Kennedy", and then shut it off.

by rageon on Jul 18, 2007 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops
my mistake, I thought Cust hit a 3-run homer for some reason...oh well
But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Jul 18, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time To Trade Stewart

presumably his value is high, right?

by solotar on Jul 18, 2007 8:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking ahead

 The fire geren chats will start next week.  Piazza comes back for bobble head day and then is traded.  A's ERA goes up and Beane rethinks signing Kendal in the off season.  Bobby crosby back goes out after a dancing with the stars audition.  Joe kennedy joins the service and causes a accident when he throws a gernade into the wrong building.  The A's signs Arod in the offseason but he is injured in a freak golfing accident and sits on the bench for the next 6 years.

by Arcman on Jul 18, 2007 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised the 'fire Geren' chants...

...haven't already started in earnest.  There are some things he's done that are questionable, but every manager does, and overall I think he's a big part of why they have done as well this year as they have.  I'm pleasantly surprised with him, so far.

I'm accepting that Crosby probably needs to go, probably just for a fresh start somewhere else, though I don't think Kotsay is as much of a liability as many others seem to.

Chavez is my quandary.  I love his defense, and it's not that I question his desire to win, but sometimes I just can't shake the feeling that offense isn't all that important to him, anymore.  Almost like he feels he's carved out his niche as a supreme defender and that'll have to be good enough.  I know that's not right, but I can't shake the perception.  Thing is, I want to like him...

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2007 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to change our focus--and it won't be easy

A's fans have been spoiled with winning--and fun teams in recent years.  Watching the mess that was on the field last night was not easy.  I was one who booed Kennedy and Crosby and left the game after the 8th--things I never do.  But thinking about it this morning has made me realize that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is a long tunnel right now.

I am ready to focus on 2008 and I think that will still make for some good baseball in 2007.  First, the dead wood needs to go.  Hard as it is to watch Suzuki after Kendall behind the plate, I would rather do it now and not in April 2008. I think he will be fine.  Perhaps we can find a veteran catcher--Piazza?--to tutor him. If bringing in Kennedy last night was to showcase him, I guess it didn't work.  He was horrific.  Can you believe he turned to throw again to 3rd on a bunt after his error?  Billy, get rid of him.  A bag of peanuts will be fine.  The fans don't want to watch him anymore.

Crosby may have worn out his welcome in Oakland.  He is a complete headcase right now.  He is back to flailing at pitches that are out of reach.  He needs a shrink or some new scenery.  I would rather see Ellis and Scutaro at SS and 2nd.  They usually don't make stupid plays or give up at-bats.

There is a nucleus that Billy can build on.  I love Travis Buck and think he is a future star.  Cust seems to be working hard at improving--and his homeruns are so fun to watch.  I am not a Kotsay hater and wouldn't mind him around next year.  He is gritty and a good veteran presence.  Bring up Barton now.

Billy has some work to do, but I believe he has a plan.  If the worse that we have to endure is a rebuilding year for the rest of 2007, I will take it.  I will also stop booing and leaving early as I watch the new A's unfold.

Billy doesn't like to lose--and his team won't for long.

by oaklandcrazy on Jul 18, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good post, and I agree with you

that if dead wood members Crosby, Kennedy, and Kendall (already gone) were adequately replaced, you could do fine with Kotsay in CF.

I also think that while Suzuki may not be as good as many fans are hoping, he is much better than he has been the last two nights. He is both raw and nervous right now, a bad combination. Soon he'll just be raw, and if he's smart (as I believe he is) he'll learn quickly.

I think some people are being a bit hard on Gaudin. He has very little major league experience, even less starting, and his arm is being tested as the innings mount. As far as I'm concerned, he's still part of the nucleus of the rotation and one of the season's most pleasant surprises.

Personally, I think the position player nucleus is Chavez, Buck, Swisher, Barton, Suzuki, and Cust (DH), with Ellis and Kotsay possibly back for one more season in 2008. That means you need at least one more OFer and one more INFer; you also need two more real hitters. A tough task for Beane, indeed.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2007 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second "We need to change our focus..."

I cut Suzuki slack because he is a rookie + he may be rusty. This is the 1st time he has caught on consecutive days since he left Sacto. I also cut Kotsay slack + his trade value is very low. Let's wait to see whether he can benefit from a post surgery off-season conditioning program. However, if he doesn't show improvement next season don't give him AB's that should go to someone else. Right now even with Kotsay's diminished skills I don't see a better option in CF. Swisher is not a CFer

As for waving the white flag. Rollback to 1999 when Rodgers was traded and remember that was the 1st move. The A's almost got back into contention and at least became more interesting.

by NoeValley on Jul 18, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder if...

SellingJeans was right. That Gaudin is pitching too many innings and may be getting a tired arm.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 18, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent posts

Nico ... I think we all feel your pain.

I find it interesting though that you (correctly, I might add)point out a lack of effort (calling it lifelessness) and you didn't receive one post calling it "wrong" or "horses***" or any other such ridicule ...

It's funny to see how some AN'ers have earned a reputation for "glass half-full" or "glass half-empty."  Some of the rest of us make a comment about half-ass effort, or "lack of committment," and there are 50 angry posts in response...

The truth of the matter is this -- the A's are "playing" as if they don't care. Wear it.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Jul 18, 2007 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're playing as they always do

VERY LAID BACK. It looks UGLY when they are losing, though. I think Geren should show some balls and kick some butt, which he won't do. More changes are going to happen very soon, so let's all just change our perspective for this season and maybe read a book instead of hang on every pitch.

by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 18, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check out Joe Posnanski's Blog on Jason Kendall

Not the very first entry.  The second entry.

http://www.thesoulofbaseball.blogspo...

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 18, 2007 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

one comment

I hope this guy is in the hacking mass:

Jason Kendall was a top five draft pick for my roto team this year and thus it is no surprise that I'm last in my league. Kendall has been horrid!

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jul 18, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it's raining in Santa Clara

Maybe we'll get rained out today.

"Essentially, in the last four games we've only had one good swing and it was from Blanton." - Nico

by doctorK on Jul 18, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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