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DLD 616-17: We had righteous grass until the Police showed up

I hadn't thought much about the Police concert until I heard longtime A's groundskeeper Clay Wood (yes, Clay Wood; an Earth sign, one supposes)  interviewed on the Friday radio pre-game.  He said the Police stage was on the field from Monday morning until Thursday AM, leaving less than 36 hours to get the field ready for last night's game.   Wood called it tougher than the changeover after a Raider game, made worse by our heat wave this week, which, with the stage up, forced Clay and Co. to water the entire field each day by hand.

Then I saw the field on TV.  It seemed much better than the post-Raider turf, which looks more like guys wielding sledgehammers had pounded salt into the ground as part of a scorched earth strategy  (Al Davis never blinks first.  He actually might not blink at all; eternally damned minions with eye droppers might do it for him).  Last night looked more a series of thin racing stripes flamed over a random outfield stretches, which, to all appearances, did seem to make the A's bats go faster.

Star-divide

To my untutored eyes, Clay Wood is awesome.  He's in his 13th year as the A's head groundskeeper, and 18th year with the team.  At the park or on TV, when the grounds crew goes out to drag the infield midgame, Clay's the guy in white shorts (in any weather) manning a rake.  And if you've ever gone onto the field for postgame fireworks, if you grab a patch of grass near the infield you'll see Clay Wood angrily striding the dirt, glaring away anyone who'd dare think of touching his soil.  You can tell he just despises the thought of having these heathens on his field.  One of these times I gotta get my kids out for the Sunday run-the-bases dealio, for the fun and cuteness, sure, but also to see if (as I suspect) Clay Wood hates those kids too.  As he should.  They're threats.

BTW, the radio interview mentioned that the Woods just had their second kid last week, a daughter.  Clay was back fretting over the diggity-dank grass the Police had confiscated within a day.

(Tangent:  I never really dug the Police, but I did see Sting play in Vegas in 1993, when he opened for the Dead for three straight nights.  Awesome set of Dead shows, and a really cool campground scene on the shores of dammed Lake Mead.  Anyway, Sting opened the first night, and it was OK, enjoyable enough.  He said "this is my first Dead show" and folks responded nicely.  The next day he came out...and played the exact same set.  That's not a winning move with a Dead crowd, who'd go like six or ten shows in a row without hearing the same song twice.  There was grumbling and a few boos.  When doing "King of Pain," Sting reached the perfect lyric, and we all joined in:  "It's the same old thing as yester-dayyyyyy."  My, how we laughed.  To his credit, for the Sunday finale Sting pulled together a completely different set and rocked the place, an entrĂ©e to what turned out to be one of the very best Dead shows I ever saw.)

But I was talking about Clay Wood.  In late September '04 me and the Aphid and some pals drove all day down to Anaheim to show the green and gold behind the Orange Curtain.  It was a Sunday, last road game of the year, and the A's lost 6-2 in a game that never felt close. You remember it:  Mark Mulder, badly leaking oil, gets the start in a must win pennant race game even though young Joe Blanton was ready.  Jose Guillen had flipped out on Scioscia the night before and was suspended for (as it turned out) the rest of his Angel career.  The Angels scored in each of the first three innings, the finest South Coast Plaza 15 year olds were making a point of shrieking in our ears at every turn, and it was generally miserable.  To make matters worse, ESPN flipped it to a 5:00 start time for the national audience, leaving us to drive back late into the night to make work on Monday morning.  After a loss which meant the A's were pretty well cooked for the year.  Anyway, as we rolled up 880 past the Coli around 3 or 4 AM, we were greeted by the blazing full lights, as the crew was removing Raider bleachers ahead of that night's A's home game.  I am certain Clay Wood was there, sweating over each blade of grass.

The Coliseum field is considered one of the best in baseball.  Mark Ellis said  "Opposing players love to come here because the field is so nice. You don't have to worry about bad hops. It's a lot easier to play defense when you can expect a true hop."  Ellis and Crosby told Josh Suchon that the A's infield was the best in the league.  Kotsay rates the Coli outfield one of the five best in all of MLB:  "Fast, but true.  You won't get a bad (hop) situation. The ball gets on you. I like a quick field."

Again, to me, Clay Wood seems like the kind of hardworking, skilled professional who proves his value to the franchise year after year, not getting by on tenure or blackmail but on talent.  I'll leave contrasts to any other team employees to the mind of the reader.

What, you thought that was enough?  Hell, no!  we haven't heard nearly enough about the chronic, the shizznit, the pakalolo...the grass!

The California Farm Bureau Federation informs me that Clay scores his grass from West Coast Turf, in Stevinson CA, about which the CFBF opines:

Saying they have the best yard in the neighborhood would be an understatement. The lush grass is meticulously cared for. It's mowed, watered, harvested and otherwise pampered 365 days a year...Clay Wood, head groundskeeper at the McAfee Coliseum, couldn't imagine working with anyone or anything but West Coast Turf.

"It's just the best stuff around," he said. "The quality is far and away the best. And on top of everything, they're just great people to work with. They even invite you down to their farm to look at the sod and make suggestions and just ask questions. They're great."

A quick jump to West Coast Turf's site and we learn the valuable lesson that their motto imparts:  "Life is short.  Sod it!"  Further delving reveals that the A's play on a Bermuda grass blend trade-named Tifway II, which Clay completely resods every year.  Clay attests that "bermuda resists damage better than Kentucky bluegrass or tall fescue, recuperates better, and provides a better field both earlier and later in the season. Of course, there is no contest during the summer. Overseeded with perennial ryegrass, you can't even tell you're playing on Bermuda grass.... Tifway II has become the sports turf of choice for the Bay Area. "When you have to convert from baseball to football or motocrosss every year, you don't have time to let turf build a new base for footing," explains Wood. "The sod has to come in with that base already there. It also has to be actively growing to repair divots quickly."

By the way, supposedly the Police sucked.  The Merc's reviewer called it "the most shockingly mediocre stadium show in Bay Area history."  And the Chron's irrepressible Joel Selvin wrote that

(Sting) kept making tiny winces that otherwise wouldn't have been seen. He didn't look all that comfortable, almost as if he didn't know what to do with this whole Police reunion idea.   With his typical timing, however, Sting did know exactly when to reconvene his old rock combo. His solo career has been at probably its lowest ebb since he left the Police -- his latest album was Elizabethan folk songs backed by lute ...

But back with the Police, the chemistry is obviously still unstable. Summers is a phlegmatic soul whose guitar style depends more on carefully processed sounds than fiery playing. He brought as much joy and charisma to the task as a cashier giving change. ...

(Stings's) frustration came through in his joyless exuberance, his phony bonhomie as he coasted through vocal parts he used to burn through. ...

Grass good.  Police bad.  A's rock June the hardest.

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wha....umm....ahhh..

<head explodes>

DiNardo: Hey Kurt, do you eat babies? Suzuki: Yes.

by Amnesiac727 on Jun 16, 2007 1:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

your eyes are not that untutored...

Clay is awesome!

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Jun 16, 2007 2:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Nice Ali G reference.

"Schleep is for babies. Gamers play all night." Nintendo Fanactic

by capper3 on Jun 16, 2007 3:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was there

for both the concert and last night's game.  I thought the damage to the field was far worse than any Raider game could manage to do.  They'd layed gypsum down over everything but the infield (which was roped off and heavily guarded) and it showed.  Poor Clay!  That concert so did not suck.  We were on our feet and dancing for almost the entire time.  It looked to me as though everyone enjoyed themselves pretty thoroughly, the band included.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jun 16, 2007 8:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

eye of the beholder

It seems like the critics expect the band to not lose a step and sound the same as they did 25 years ago.  I think the real fans of the band are gonna enjoy it either way.  A lot of people ripped on the Van Halen tour in 2004.  I went to the show at the Oracle Arena and thought it was awesome.  As long as you had a good time, that's all that matters.

I'm kind of surprised that they're still doing Day On The Green shows.  I vividly remember hearing the announcers a fit about it on the air after the Guns n Roses/Metallica show back in 1992.

death to myspace!

by malikot on Jun 16, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you sure it wasn't Van Halen, Scorpions?

Maybe that was '89 or so...

but I coulda sworn that was the last Day on the Green.

thank (somebody) for wiki

"He could run for mayor of Oakland! I hope he never wakes up" -Korach on Cust's GW 3 run HR

by popcornjames on Jun 16, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Tower of Power

The A's were listening to them last Sunday.

The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for that

Thanks to the power of the internets and Oink, I now have that CD, and it is good.

See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Jun 16, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sweet
subject to revision pending next issue and there are too many issues

by ak_A on Jun 16, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Metallica 1992

I was at that show.  Sad day for Clay's grass...on the field anyway.  Sod was being torn out in huge chunks and thrown onto the heads of those in the general admission area where everyone was in body-gridlock.  That was not cool.  Not cool at all.  I was in the general admission area obviously, a recipient of the raining sod.

by ImagoDei on Jun 16, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome post!

the WLD paying tribute to Clay Wood, the most undervalued member of the organization.  I hope he is paid well for the great work he does every year.

death to myspace!

by malikot on Jun 16, 2007 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DO NOT WANT

Bob Barker's replacement: Rosie O'Donnel?

death to myspace!

by malikot on Jun 16, 2007 9:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you're kidding me!

DO NOT WANT!
KILL IT WITH FIRE!
DO A BARRELL ROLL!

by Zonis on Jun 16, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God, you think you're upset?

This news might send Bobby Crosby on a tri-state killing spree.  When Barker called it quits Crosby described himself as distraught, and said "I don't know what I'll do in the morning."

Now he knows.

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 16, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao
Don't worry, it's only a safety problem.

by Poppy on Jun 16, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear God....
The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great read, but you left out one thing:

KEEP LARRY DAVIS AWAY FROM CLAY WOOD!!!  I saw the Police at the Coliseum, too, but 24 years ago.  Madness was the good opening act, and the Police were pretty good too, if a bit MTVicized by that point (Synchronicity).  By the way, how did that Sting/Dead thing ever end up happening?  I guess it must've been through the jazz guys Sting played with.  B. Marsalis-Ornette-Grisman-Jerry?

Larry Davis's sigline: Fat Wank Suturist ~monkeyball

by LAXile on Jun 16, 2007 9:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No idea

Sting and the Dead sounded odd in concept and was odd in execution, though your genealogy guess sounds good.  Could've been some sort of Bill Graham marketing angle for Sting too, with an eye towards his next tour.  Sting never actually played with the Dead during the shows, unlike Ornette Coleman, who I heard sit in for a set at the Coli Arena a couple of times.

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 16, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sting sitting in with the Dead

would have been odder still. I saw that tour in Buffalo, and at that show Garcia sat in with Sting's band for one song, though.

What stank flatulist.

by andeux on Jun 16, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff...

He probably has the toughest grounds to keep in all of Major League Baseball -- and the NFL, the MLS, the NCAA...

"Former Huntsville Star Eric Chavez..."

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jun 16, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great job!

I think Fosse would enjoy this one.

The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i never know how to react

when a bad sportswriter writes a crappy column praising the a's:

A's are a textbook example of how to run a ballclub
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

laughter?
I think Jenkins is SPWC.
</monkeyball>

The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you may be on to something there
Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sportswriters' Defense League

I just figured I'd throw this out there because I'd been thinking about Jenkins already this morning; He also had this one on the SF Gate web site today.  

I didn't like today's columns particularly, but often I do like Jenkins.  Sometimes I think he gets things exactly right: for example, he has been pushing for the NBA to get rid of the East-West divide in the playoffs for years now.  And I appreciate on some level his you-know-it-when-you-see-it judgements on who "gets it" and who doesn't.  

On the other hand, I think he maybe takes it a little too far, and on those occasions he can get a little pompous and over-opinionated.  Still, I think that he's the only Chronicle sports columnist worth reading--other than Ratto, of course, whom I worship.

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jun 16, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you a member of the bad tase defense league?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad taste
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nish-nish?
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jun 16, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Similar to xbhaskarx's link

in that it's a crappy article, this time praising the A's pitching staff.  Since it's an article on a betting site, the point appears to be financial gain of some sort, though I'm too stupid to figure out how.

Aft Yank Sadist

by oblique on Jun 16, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a betting monkey meself ...

... but I think the takeaway is: whether you bet on the A's to win or lose, take the under.

Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm listening to the Cards broadcast

from last night, and they mentioned that last night's win was the Athletics 8,000th career win!

by Zonis on Jun 16, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

preemptive strike

Every positive outcome on the mound is to be attributed to the MKE: "Because it was my former team I was a little more amped up," Haren said. "It was a little more emotional than usual. Jason (Kendall) came out to talk to me in the third inning and basically wanted me to slow everything down.".

(Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kendall did do that, and it obviously did impact Haren positively -- but does anyone think any other major-league [or, for that matter, upper-level minor-league] catcher wouldn't have done exactly the same thing at that moment. I mean, of course I know Melhuse wouldn't have -- he'd have likely either ignored Haren entirely, or marched out to the mound and said, "Hey, uh, whatever your name is. You're being entirely too casual. You need to up the intensity a notch. You're lettin' those other dudes get in your head. You gotta move faster, throw harder.")

Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well, i usually put much value

on this stuff, BUT remember 2005, whenever an a's starting pitcher was having a rough time (especially haren, but also blanton and saarloos at times), kendall would go out to the mound for a chat and 95% of the time the pitcher would settle down.  
maybe how much the pitcher respects the catcher does have an effect?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

add a new stat to the MKE: KRF

Katcher Respekt Faktor

Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is THAT an Ali G reference?

if so, I think I saw that one last night.  The best part was when Bruno interviewed the Christian minister.  "Let's talk about some things people do, and you tell me whether they're okay or not okay. If they're okay, say 'a-cha,' and if they're not okay, you say 'nish-nish.'"

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jun 16, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"i think i may be becoming

a little bit gay."

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think whatever the merits of MKE

the pitchers believe it, and that largely accounts for his persistence in the lineup, ie they tell Macha/Geren that they want him catching when they pitch.

The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so KRF has an exponential relationship to MKE?
Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KRF has a linear relationship

to SPWC-Offense Syndrome.

The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, KME/MKE?

ATAOTY!  (ANcillary Terms Addition of the Year).

Was this the first mention of the Katcher Magik Effekt?

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 16, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pffff

"ANcillary Terms Addition of the Year."  Yeah.  I've added things to the original diary and suggested the ANcillary Terms link be updated (since the co-op glossary -- being, you know, co-op -- began evolving immediately upon being posted), but no dice.

Don't worry, it's only a safety problem.

by Poppy on Jun 16, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great last line!

At first I would say "Where's the Link Dump?" but obviously, there's a ton o' links here :)

by streetfan on Jun 16, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Zambrano pitching well...

...seventh inning and the linescore for the Padres is 0 0 0.  If you know what I mean.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 16, 2007 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Koyie Hill's calling a heck of a game

He shouldn't have called those 4 walks, though.

Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, zambrano hasn't done nearly

as well with barrett on the mound.

we'll see what you have to say when haren beats up suzuki in the dugout next week.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure why i wrote "on the mound"
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and that .602 career OPS ...

... is certainly contributing to the Cubs themselves being shut out with only 2 hits.

Give me a team of ultra-talented assholes who can't stand each other, thanks.

Shit! Kendall's catching. ~grover @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 16, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1-0 game

spwc is loving this.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Called for another walk against the

dangerous Rob Bowen.  We gotta sign Koyie Hill up and hope for the MHE.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 16, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Infield single by Giles.

MHE doesn't exist apparently.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 16, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mccovey comment

http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/com...

I was watching the 9th inning of the A's-Cardinals game last night. The Cardinals were getting hammered so badly they brought in Scott Spezio to pitch the last inning.

He threw harder than Zito. No joke.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 16, 2007 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

rich
subject to revision pending next issue and there are too many issues

by ak_A on Jun 16, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garret Anderson hurt
Damnit.
The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A Sting solo show at the

Concord Pavilion was my very first concert.  Geggy Tah opened.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 16, 2007 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was there! LOL

We still refer to generically bad openers as Geggy Tah.

Don't worry, it's only a safety problem.

by Poppy on Jun 16, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But weren't the drivers leaving the lot

all extraordinarily polite?

Aft Yank Sadist

by oblique on Jun 16, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kotchman possible concussion...
The game represents... the checkered journey of life. - Milton Bradley

by mikeA on Jun 16, 2007 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome DLD

from the title (magnifique!) to the absurdly detailed research on grass.

Reminds me of fond Coliseum games where the fans vote to watch video highlights of "Grass Growing" (which is 100% of the time when it's an option) and you see Kentucky bluegrass beating Bermuda grass 4-1 or some such.

by Apricot on Jun 16, 2007 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

where did we score the tarp?
me and marco down by the ballyard.

by oakath on Jun 16, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the best DLD ever. Clay Wood = awesome
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 16, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Massive Second Set in Vegas

Samson and Delilah
Help on the Way ->
Slipknot! ->
Franklin's Tower ->
Looks Like Rain ->
Terrapin Station ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Other One ->
Wharf Rat ->
Throwin' Stones ->
Lovelight

Brokedown Palace

An unbelievably great day.  Did you almost get zapped by lightning on the first day?  I thought Sting's finale was pretty cool; didn't he do "A Day in the Life?"

Great post--thanks!

by DiegoSegui on Jun 16, 2007 9:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FYI, FSU...

deadspin picked up this DLD (although I don't know if they got past the title)!

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jun 17, 2007 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dude

you really should save these for a weekday dump

"San Jose A's of Fremont" validates the Halo's stoopid name

by ArakSOT on Jun 18, 2007 9:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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