The Cavalry is Coming
By the end of this week, the A's will likely be getting back Mark Kotsay, Justin Duchscherer, Esteban Loaiza and Milton Bradley. For the A's getting any players back is a positive, especially if they can play for more than a week or month. And since Kotsay finally had his nagging back fixed with surgery, hopefully he won't be in and out of the lineup the rest of the year. If anything, he'll bring some stability to a rotating center field.
Loaiza was great when he was healthy last year. He had one of the best A's months by a starting pitcher ever, but the question still remains is, how healthy is he? He reportedly is still having issues with his knee and his meniscus. I think it's probably a mistake to let Loaiza come back to the rotation if he isn't 100 percent. We all saw how he pitched last year early in the year when he wasn't 100 percent. But if he's letting the A's move forward with bringing him back, then that's his call. I just think that sometimes the organization needs to step in and say, "Esteban, we want you in the rotation to earn your substantial paycheck as much as the fans do, but you're really no good to us if you can't perform at optimum level. This is the American League and you're going to get hammered if you can't pitch at 100 percent. So go get your knee fixed and we'll see you in four-six weeks."
As for Bradley, this guy has to be the most fragile hard-nosed competitor I've ever seen. I love having him in there when he's healthy, but it seems to be more often than not that he's on the DL. Whether it's a knee, hamstring or elbow, there always seems to be something with Milton. I know that happens when you play the game as hard as he does (a point made to me by Billy Beane in a discussion regarding Bobby Crosby), but Bradley is unquestionably the team's best hitter when he is healthy. He would be an excellent addition to the middle of the lineup with Johnson and Swisher. It'd be nice to have Swisher, DJ and Bradley all lined up in a row.
And I don't have to tell you what a healthy Justin Duchscherer means to the A's bullpen. Duke is really the only guy in the pen who I trust to close out games when he is healthy. He did it with success last year and seems to have no issues being the guy in the pen. Let's just hope his hip issue is completely cleared up because I think that's why we were seeing him missing that bite on his cutter that he absolutely must have to be successful.
Any way, it's arguable how much of an impact that these players will have on the field. Bradley and Loaiza may only be making a temporary appearance and we're going to find out that Loaiza needs surgery by throwing him out on the field. Duke is important to making sure that some of our starting pitchers get their wins and Kotsay is a stabilizing presence in center field who will probably hit around .270 once he shakes off the rust of not playing.
But the bigger thing that I'm hoping might happen is that the guys might be a psychological lift to the players who have been a part of the team during this rough stretch. I'm no sports psychologist, but it's got to be disheartening to see your comrades succumb to injury one-by-one (or sometimes two or three at a time). And it's got to be just as big a lift to see them come back. You have to suddenly think, hey, I don't need to do this by myself anymore.
Who knows, maybe the team sags when it gets some players back because players may lower the intensity a bit, but I don't think that will happen. I believe the A's will get a lift from it. It'll just be a matter of how much of a lift they're going to get.
By the way, I received the answers back from Bob Geren already and will be running the interview this upcoming Thursday. I was going to run it today, but I figured many ANers won't be around so I want to make sure that those who asked questions I sent him get to see the answers. Happy Memorial Day!
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Who is going down?
With all those players coming back who will be sent down? Kotsay and Bradley will mean a demotion for Boccachica, Cust, or Murphy. Loaiza and Duchere will mean a demotion of a couple of relief pitchers to many to name because anyone of them could go down.
by Arcman on May 28, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bocachica, Murphy,
When was the last time we heard anything about Snelling or Kielty? It's Memorial Day--if the worst is true, can we at least honor them with a proper eulogy?
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Snelling
He turned 7 knee injuries into 8 and went into hiding.
Like Langerhans, I've never seen him play. They're not the same guy, right? Anybody ever see them both in the same place at the same time?
by louismg on May 28, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Snelling reached base once
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Grin) Have you taken a look at their pics?
Snelling:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6937
Langerhans:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6920
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly, Snelling was
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weigh the same
I bet when he masquerades as Snelling, he just scrunches down to look short.
by louismg on May 28, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which could be hard
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Buck?
Wouldn't it make more sense to send Buck down to AAA and leave Cust up to DH till Piazza comes back. If Buck stays up that means either Kotsay, Bradley, or Swisher would have to DH so Buck gets time in the OF. It would be smarter to send Buck down and have a consistant OF of Swisher, Kotsay, Bradley with Cust as the consistant DH.
by Zabat on May 29, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"the organization needs to step in and say ..."
Blez, an honest, non-snarky request for the next time you have a sit-down with Billy: push that very point in front of him -- with regard to the entire roster, not just Loaiza -- in the form of a probing, open-ended question.
"When an Athletic is injured and unavailable to play, what are the criteria the team uses to assess his readiness?"
Drill-down follow-up: "Is one of the criteria the quality (or lack thereof) of the injured player's back-up?"
by monkeyball on May 28, 2007 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy Memorial Day
Thanks for the encouraging news! :) I especially look forward to seeing Milton back in the lineup - and if he plays in RF that might help keep him healthy (we hope). :)
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would it?
He played right last year and spent a good amount of time on the DL. He's NEVER been consistently healthy, so there's really no reason to expect him to now. Bradley just seems like the type of guy that if he has an ache or a pain he has to take time off. He has a very low pain threshold.
by IndianaAsfan on May 28, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton (and Swish) ..
Granted that Milton, bless his heart, seems made of glass wherever he plays - I shouldn't have said anything but was trying to look for some ray of hope - is that OK, to be hopeful? Notice the parenthetical "we hope" at the end of my post ..
Given that a corner outfield position is usually less stressful than CF - less territory to cover - if Dan Johnson keeps getting playing time, then wouldn't it be better to play Swisher in a corner OF position also?
Milton did play quite a bit in the 2nd half of last year, and did well in the ALCS - it was the 1st half that he missed most of his time (oblique, and shoulder, injuries I think) ..
But I can't answer your question. Who knows? Hehe ..
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have serious doubts
It really will be nice to see Kotsay back,, especially if he can recapture some of his old performance. It may be that he can finish out the season without nagging injuries. That would be a tremendous lift to the team. Bradley....what good is a terrific hitter is he is constantly sidelined? Even if he comes back we will all be left to wonder for how long. That he will go down again is a given.
Like you I am escited for the chance at some optomism, but at this point the cynical nature in me is having full reign.
by alox on May 28, 2007 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree--and once again
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet...
The A's "medical experts" still won't see it coming.
by louismg on May 28, 2007 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't I read somewhere
that Loaiza has probably been pitching with a bum knee for a while?
by salb918 on May 28, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps it was
something alluding to all of Loiza being a bum...not just his knee. A statement which I deeply hope proves to be false...
by alox on May 28, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he only felt it while rehabbing recently
the MRI suggested that it might have been an old tear, but Loaiza has never felt it before. He said while he was doing his rehab pitching last month he felt a 'pop' in the knee.
it's possible he had a slight, old partial tear that just got worse.
by OaklandSi on May 28, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. While we all
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting point,
Do they "tell" a player he requires surgery before they will allow him to take the field? As far as I know, there is no substitute therapy for a torn miniscus. Surgery is you last, best, and only option. I do know that a torn miniscus will cause your leg to give way at unexpected times and is rather painful. I will give props to E-Lo for his desire to play, but if we want poor performance results we can run Ramirez out there and get the same result. The players union has effectivly removed the fanbase from recieving accurate medical prognosis on the players condition.
by alox on May 28, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
alox, my understanding is that
by Nico on May 28, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I didn't know that.
A torn miniscus is a rather common injury in my line of work, and it always requires surgery before you are allowed back. So I assumed it was medically necessary. Though that being true, you're absolutely correct, how much rest would an athlete require before the condition was healed? It would seem that surgery would be the best option. At least then the problem would be resolved and not merely put off for another day.
by alox on May 28, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the recovery time is 4-6 weeks
So we're probably not talking about season-ending surgery in Loaiza's case...had he chosen the knife right away, he could have returned July 1. If he pitches and sucks through June, we'll have a pretty good read on whether he made the right call (at least as it costs/benefits the A's).
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 28, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thinking.
Why not have the surgery and come back without lingering issues? That's not to say it would have done the A's any good, but if we are still in it, we would at least have one more front line pitcher.
by alox on May 28, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lacrosse player? mover? steel monkey?
What line of work has torn meniscus injuries? I sometimes forget that not everyone sits at a desk staring at a computer all day.
by jubjub on May 28, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Public Santitation...
sometimes referred to as a Sheriff's Department. Although, I do in fact sit and stare at a computer screen these days. I mainly direct flow...state prison, mental wards, drug programs...or sometimes back to your neighborhood.
by alox on May 28, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meniscus surgery
is often intended to relieve pain (removal of damaged cartilage) rather than repair a tear. So, if Esteban can stand the pain, and if he doesn't alter his motion as a result of the discomfort, maybe it's not a big risk for him to continue. Kind of a big if, though. We've seen enough of Esteban at less than 100%...
by skutch on May 28, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking as someone who has torn his
meniscus, I will say that the only viable option to fix it is surgery. It's a relatively easy fix. Course, I'd also blown out my ACL.
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 28, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might be okay...
A torn meniscus is essentially a cartilage tear inside the knee. It can be a big tear or a small tear, and as outsiders we don't know the particulars of his case. Even so, I had a big tear several years back, and aside from the constant popping sensation in my knee, I could do whatever I wanted.
Surgery can take two forms -- either they cut out the torn bit, or they sew it back down. Cutting it out has a recovery time of a few weeks. Sewing it down has a recovery time of a few months. I had mine cut out and I was running/biking within a week. The downside is that I know I can expect arthritis in that knee to arrive a lot sooner because of the surgery. Loaiza may want to wait 'till the offseason and have it sewn down for that reason specifically.
If the feeling in his knee isn't that noticeable, Loaiza should be fine. Surgery could either have long term effects on his health OR set him back months - I think it makes sense to attempt to play through it.
by RickeySteals on May 28, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Loaiza last rehab. start did not look good. He gave up 3 runs over 4 innings and while he was throwing strikes, his velocity still appears to be not where it should be. Here's what Omar Quintanilla (former a's farmhand) had to say about Loaiza's last start:
"It seemed to me like he's lost a lot of velocity," said Sky Sox designated hitter Omar Quintanilla, who had a two-run double off Loaiza in the third. "I faced him last year (in the major leagues) and he had a lot more velocity."
We still havent had official word on Loaiza's progress from the A's but if he doesnt have his velocity, he'll get hit around in the AL like he was early last season. I think the A's need to get this sorted out soon, one way or the other by the end of this week. Assuming he's hurt enough to be ineffective in the rotation now, he should go in for a surgery so that he's available mid-August and a healthy Loazia will definitely make a difference down the stretch.
by oak1 on May 28, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Freudian slip!
Blez wrote...
"Esteban, we want you in the rotation to early your substantial paycheck..."
Let's hope that the team isn't sending him such mixed messages ;-)
by GreenNGoldSooner on May 28, 2007 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Da da da da da da DAH da da da da Dah: CHARGE!
(Bugle goes on DL.)
by LAXile on May 28, 2007 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Slaughter the Halos!
.. my old testament wrath of god side is coming out now , hehehe ..
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a last desparate measure...
Perhaps a march around Angel stadium with a shofar would be in order...or course, that took seven days...and I don't know that we have that kind of time.
by alox on May 28, 2007 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL ..
.. that's good - you and Nico can keep me in stitches ..
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shofar, so good?
Perhaps, after the A's have fled to Fremont and the Raiders back to LA, the City-County fathers of the tenant-less Coliseum can hire a Shofar to send the Mt. Davis walls a-tumblin' down.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 28, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging by the overall
by alox on May 28, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, especially as directed toward Anaheim ..
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton, the A's own Jaguar S-Type
Performs great on the field, but spends an inordinate amount of time in the shop, making mechanics wealthy.
I'm a big Bradley fan...I made his the only jersey tee I bought last year...but it's clear now that he's of the JD Drew ilk of fine-tuned athletes who believe they can't play at 90%. I can't say they're wrong. But by contrast, Chavez is definitely Oakland's 1982 Honda Civic, virtually impossible to keep off the road, even as its power dissipates.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 28, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I drive a Honda Civic Hybrid,
by Nico on May 28, 2007 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was your car manufactured in Mexico?
by monkeyball on May 28, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jagayouwire
by ak_A on May 28, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of car parts...
Where's the Aphid?
by Poppy on May 28, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be around
He's still working on the writeup of the secret project you witnessed; hopes to roll it out on Jalopnik this week, I believe.
He and I should be at the game tomorrow, though not at bobblehead acquiring time.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 28, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm around
Just got no time.
by AlamedaAphid on May 28, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Athletes who believe they can't play at 90%"
You're making Rich Harden feel left out.
There was actually a little margin note snippet in the latest ESPN magazine about him, which had an anonymous A's player saying he's "not the toughest guy I've ever seen," or something like that.
by jeepers on May 28, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I read that too
They were discussing Harden's youth in Canada spent playing hockey and he claims he liked to mix it up on the ice. They then quoted the anonymous player saying he isn't that tough. Interesting....
by IndianaAsfan on May 28, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley to the DL
i'm not sure if we really gained a whole lot by putting Bradley on the DL. He might have been ready to play the outfield today versus the Rangers and might have been available to DH yesterday versus the O's according to the reports that i've seen. Donnie Murphy hasnt seen much action on the field (apart from a late innings replacement for Ellie on Saturday) and probably will not see much more time on the field. So we've basically lost Bradley for 2 games and not gained a whole lot with the delayed decision to DL.
by oak1 on May 28, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
though it seems like far more often the A's make the opposite sacrifice--keeping a hurt player on the active roster and playing with a 24 man roster (or 23, or 22, or worse) for days or even a week at a time. Retroactively DLing a guy doesn't get those short bench games back.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 28, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true...
but i think the a's overcompensated with bradley this time. i wonder how much of it had to do with chavvy's status being uncertain going into the series with the o's. my guess is that the a's are really worried about chavvy being healthy this season for obvious reasons.
by oak1 on May 28, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense, particularly since
Murphy is an infielder, not an outfielder
by OaklandSi on May 28, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's precisely why they did it
Murphy gave them infield flexibility, and they had already been covering for Bradley in the outfield so they didn't need to bring up an outfielder. Possibly missing two games of Bradley is worth it to gain the flexibility to let Chavez rest. What's two games when he's already missed a month's worth?
by IndianaAsfan on May 28, 2007 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to approach it that way.
History shows that if you leave it up to Milton, he'll probably come back too early and tweak it again.
by jeepers on May 28, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay Plan
Will he play every day or is he going to need to sit 2-3x per week? I know he had back surgery, but I've met very few people who have had back surgery who weren't very limited for the rest of their life (Joe Montana being the example that it can be done but why it's so rare). it's the reason back surgery is the last resort - because it usually makes things worse in the long run, but it has a very small chance of helping out. It's the swing for the fences when down by a run in the bottom of the ninth of back fixes.
So, is he an everyday player or should we hope for 60 games the rest of the way and maybe 90 next year?
by jubjub on May 28, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the plan was to get him in shape
to potentially play most if not all of the time. He has been playing every day in Sacramento and apparently not having any back issues.
by OaklandSi on May 28, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay
I think Kotsay will be the biggest addition by far. Everyone, and probably most of the players, are waiting with bated breath to see what kind of impact he will bring when he returns. I for one think he will not only be an impact with the bat and glove, but will also stabilize CF where we've run various no-names out there and also Bradley and Swisher who have pulled hamstrings to show for it. I think the comfort of just seeing a single CFer out there every day who knows how to play in the bigs will be a huge calming presence for the rest of the team.
by Helloooo 1st on May 28, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What should we assume about Street at this point?
The word was that he would be out either ten days or a year and a half with Tommy Johns surgery. I don't think he's begun throwing yet and he was placed on the DL 13 days ago, so should we assume that this ulnar nerve thing is probably season ending?
Also, what about Harden? He's not even really throwing the ball yet either and he's been out over a month due to a "minor shoulder strain."
This has honestly been the most frustrating season I can recall as an A's fan in a long time. The combination of so many injuries, the new restriction on asking players about injuries, and the FO's covert and secretive tactics is infuriating -- almost to the point of ruining the A's baseball experience. I would almost rather fallow a shitty team which is reliable and transparent than one that is decent if healthy but perpetually DL'd and cryptic.
by humdinger on May 28, 2007 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am intrested about Street as well.
It definitely does not look good without him (unless Duke regains his old form). I think the fact that there has been no indication of him throwing is horrible news...I mean how could it not be?
by CyZito on May 28, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glass half full theory
Yeah, the injuries have been formidible to the lineup. It forced Billy to make some trades (even one for another injured player!), and we had to bring up guys that were not supposed to leave the minors this year. And, I might add, we are playing .500 ball. Not unlike past years.
The one very real benefit is all the playing time these kids are getting at this level. It gives Billy a glimpse at their talent and mental preparedness. I really think this will pay dividends in the not so distant future.
Having said that, let's get our everyday lineup back and play some winning baseball!!!!!
by elephantman on May 28, 2007 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay coming back
For some reason doesen't get me too excited. His defense isn't what it used to be and he put up some very unimpressive offensive numbers last season.
Here's some good news - Daric Barton is 4-4 with a triple so far today and Melillo is 1-1 with a double and 3 walks.
by pinkfloyd on May 28, 2007 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
.500 ball and the playoff run
I constantly see a reference to the fact that the a's have been playing .500 ball with all the injuries and that in fact are in a better position to make a playoff run as compared to say, last year.
the reality is not as simple as all that. even if the a's do turn it on in the second half and get healthy (not a given), they have to contend with (1) the angels being a much better team this year than last year and clearly off to a hot start (in spite of their share of injuries); (2) the fact that the a's have not been able to take advantage of an easier schedule to open the season, the schedule gets really tough for the a's come july and post-asb; (3) the a's have not shown signs of dominating the division while the angels have. we won the division last year while dominating the mariners who are clearly are an improved team this year; (4) the wild card race is going to be tight this year with several teams likely in the fray come september.
going into the road trip, there were some encouraging signs but they've been snuffed out with some ugly games against the white sox and o's. we were getting good starting pitching and now the backend of our rotation has begun to implode. we were beginning to get more consistent offense up and down the lineup but some of our hot hitters are coming down to earth. and we all know the mess that our bullpen is in and how important street and/or harden's return is to the pitching staff for our playoff run. what's been most disappointing over the past week is that the injuries appear to caught up with the a's mentally. they just did not appear to be mentally present in the last 2 games and have the belief of a playoff contender. i felt like i was reliving the alcs versus detroit when the injury to mark ellis seemed to have a similar effect on the team after we dominated the twins; the a's appear to have lost the plot mentally.
too many questions. and i fear not many answers. how the a's play in june is really going to tell us a lot about the character of this team and its playoff chances.
by oak1 on May 28, 2007 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe we start to get well against texas?
.. just a thought .. but not wanting to jinx us ..
by Randy Bell on May 28, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it will be nice to have bradley back
for the week that he is here before he blows out his hamstring again and goes back on the DL again
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