MARCO!
Wow. Talk about bittersweet. In the 7th inning, it was “season over” as Rich Harden left hurt. In the 9th inning, it was “game over” as arguably the best closer in major league history faced Scutaro with the count 0-2, two out, and the A’s trailing 4-2. Boom. “Fair or foul? FAIR!”
The parallels to last year’s AN Day are uncanny, right down to Jason Kendall’s relentless (“Kotsayesque”) at bat to keep the A’s alive and bring the winning run to the plate.
I’m writing this for baseballgirl because she’s on her way to the airport. She asked me to put this wrap-up together and requested just one bit of content to be added on her behalf: “Bobby Crosby is a terrible baseball player.” Did you feel the footsteps as they trotted around the bases, Croz?
MARCO!
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i'm gonna ride this pink cloud
for a while....heck, heading down to local market to tell the only other A's fan in town that i know of, the butcher's assistant, about this game.
by ak_A on
Apr 15, 2007 4:18 PM PDT
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You ride that pink cloud, and remember:
A person's sexual orientation is no one's business but his own.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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the butcher guy just left
so I bought my usual diet coke and Club magazine
by ak_A on
Apr 15, 2007 4:38 PM PDT
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NO!
I am the only gay in the village!
<gets indignant>
<adjusts blue latex shorts>
by hunter on
Apr 15, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
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Yeah, but
can you cut the meat?
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Apr 15, 2007 4:46 PM PDT
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MVP of the first two weeks of the season?
Jay Marshall!!!
by The Elephant on
Apr 15, 2007 4:21 PM PDT
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yep
maybe we should have brought in marshall when harden left the game.
by xbhaskarx on
Apr 15, 2007 4:24 PM PDT
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There's no maybe about it!
by baseballgirl on
Apr 15, 2007 7:18 PM PDT
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Are you kidding?
It should have been Embree! The guy hadn't pitched for HOURS.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 7:20 PM PDT
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"trotted?"
Marco DANCED around the bases. Freakin' DANCED!
by salb918 on
Apr 15, 2007 4:21 PM PDT
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He goose-stepped
I enjoyed that quite a bit.
by mikeA on
Apr 15, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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WOW!
More Marco Magic!
And making the Yanks limp out of town with their bullpen heroes suddenly looking touchable, AND a sub .500 record makes it all the sweeter.
by Brian in 317 on
Apr 15, 2007 4:22 PM PDT
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Marco!
fucking Scutaro! The man is our savior and it is even sweeter because the Warriors won next door earlier and the Clippers lost to Sacramento. Basketball playoff fever in the air and playoff type excitement against the Yankees. Walk off from Super Marco just makes my whole entire week!
And, yes..............Bobby Crosby might need a trip to the minors very, very soon. Not impressed at all my our 2004 ROY. I love my baseball team folks!
"Let's go Oakland!"
by mrod on
Apr 15, 2007 4:23 PM PDT
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i am wondering abt bobby
.. he looks a little lost out there .. no baseball activity in offseason, missed a lot of playing time previous two years, and did not get a complete ST .. so you could be right ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 15, 2007 4:26 PM PDT
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Crosby
I don't agree that he is a "terrible baseball player", but he is playing with zero confidence right now. Kinda like this old computer I'm using which needs to be re-booted once in a while for a clean start...send him to Sacramento for six weeks, let him get his confidence back, see ya about June 1.
by Soaker on
Apr 15, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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agreed, he needs some sort of 'reboot'
.. it he can get himself jumpstarted here at the MLB level is the question .. Frank Thomas took two months to get going {offensively} last year .. remember that Scutaro has made some less than stellar defensive plays at SS also, - the whole team has looked a little rusty and sophomoric on defense at times - maybe it's just too early, I hope so .. and they will get it together in the next month or so ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 15, 2007 4:38 PM PDT
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any news on Harden?
by larrysgurl on
Apr 15, 2007 4:25 PM PDT
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shoulder tightness is all they have said
.. he was, or appeared to be on TV, shrugging it off -- but we really dunno yet ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 15, 2007 4:27 PM PDT
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All we've heard is
"tightness in the right shoulder". No alarm clocks have yet been charged.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:27 PM PDT
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LOL thanks. hopefully he doesn't miss any time.
by larrysgurl on
Apr 15, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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Do you think he has a bulging dick in his neck?
by Nick on
Apr 15, 2007 5:29 PM PDT
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Kiss of death
He said after the game he didn't think it was serious and wasn't concerned. Translated, that probably means season ending surgery.
by IndianaAsfan on
Apr 15, 2007 6:36 PM PDT
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Funeral on Tuesday.
In lieu of flowers, please send starting pitchers.
by Jennifer on
Apr 15, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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He's got a new middle name
...and I'm wearing my Scutaro shirt to work tomorrow.
by AlamedaAphid on
Apr 15, 2007 4:25 PM PDT
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That's fitting
since the original holder of the middle name was a Yankee, so dubbed by his Boston enemies. Now the Yanks fans can join us in hollerin Marco Fuckin Scutaro...just as they join us in booing A-Rod.
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Apr 15, 2007 4:42 PM PDT
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Given the off days coming up,
the A's should insert Kennedy into Harden's spot, give Harden 10 days off, and go from there. I'm loving this win, and also believe that the A's just cannot compete with the Angels without Harden making 25+ starts. Please. Be. OK.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:27 PM PDT
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Halos still have two road games with BoSox ..
.. I hope they get creamed .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 15, 2007 4:28 PM PDT
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Interesting idea
I remember last year, Mark Mulder tweaked his back and the schedule was set-up so the Cards could have let him miss a start, keep everyone else on turn, and give Mark about a week and a half of down time.
They chose to pitch him instead.
The back problem caused him to adjust his mechanics and he ended up blowing out his shoulder a month or so later.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 4:47 PM PDT
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That's what I'm worried about
with Haren, actually. I think his hip is hurting and it's going to cause him to hurt his arm if he's not careful.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:49 PM PDT
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Haren keeps telling the world he's fine
First thing to do is take him in a back alley and smack him around some until he tells the truth. If he's hurt and not telling anyone than the fuck-up's on him. Young can watch tape on his mechanics and see if he can spot any changes in Haren's motion but let's not foget he's got 11 other guys to look after as well.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 4:55 PM PDT
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Crosby
To give him some credit he seemed to get better
as the game went on and put together a decent
AB against Rivera going the other way.
BUT STILL HUGE PROBLEMS
I dont know why he kept trying to pull Pettite --
he just appeared to have no clue on the slider.
And when is he going to make an adjustment on that
outside strike? His fielding continues to be
erratic with a potential DP not turned midway
through the game.
Hope Ellis and Bradley come back on Tuesday and
Scoot gets the start at SS.
by oak1 on
Apr 15, 2007 4:27 PM PDT
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another poor Crosby moment
Chavez at third in the 3rd inning after hitting a triple with 2 out. Crosby steps up and pulls
the first strike (2nd pitch of the AB) weakly on
the ground to the SS. Another opportunity with
RISP lost.
Any idea why Crosby was batting 6th today?
by oak1 on
Apr 15, 2007 4:32 PM PDT
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Because they don't allow you
to bat someone 11th? Because we can always find 3 guys who are actually batting worse? Because Geren has a sense of humor? All of the above?
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:35 PM PDT
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But he missed most of Spring Trainining ...
... so give him a break. Do you remember how awful Frank Thomas looked in April last year, for the same reason? But the people who were quick to label him "The Big Out" in April soon forgot about that once he had been playing for about 6 weeks.
I think you have to allow Crosby at least a month to get acclimatized before you even think about writing him off. Or accept that other readers will in turn dismiss your own comments and expectations as unrealistic.
by cloosley on
Apr 15, 2007 4:40 PM PDT
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I wouldn't accept that, since
I keep saying that Kendall and Stewart will start hitting, and never gave up on Frank Thomas last year. But those guys have career track records of success, while Crosby has a career track record of failure--and it's getting worse, not better. He used to be a .244 hitter who made all the plays at SS. Now he's a .200 hitter who can't do hardly anything, plate or field. If he needs more time to get into "game shape," he can do it at AAA. But he didn't adjust to major league pitching prior to his back injury, so I'm not especially waiting up for him to do it now. And if he can't field either, I'm not sure why he's in there.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:46 PM PDT
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Not the same situation
Thomas not being ready hurt the line-up but as the DH his not being ready didn't affect the pitching and the defense.
Crosby's unreadiness hurts the A's at the plate and in the field, which in turn hurts the pitching staff. If he's not ready to hit and/or field than send him down to AAA and bring up someone who is baseball ready.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 4:50 PM PDT
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hmmmm... sensing a change of position
what a difference a couple of weeks makes on your perspective, eh, grover? ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on
Apr 15, 2007 5:58 PM PDT
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Of course I'll change my opinion
When Crosby is in game shape he's the superior defensive SS vs. Scutaro.
If Crosby isn't (physically) ready to play defense up to his potential, in he needs more reps to get in shape, then by all means someone else should be playing SS for the Oakland A's.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 6:04 PM PDT
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Hey, Foolsh:
re "And last I heard you still hadn't paid up from your little bet from way back when... that going to happen any time soon?" What's the answer?
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:04 PM PDT
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I've offered...
where are the Foolsh Five? I don't think you or grover is among them.
by FoolshGame22 on
Apr 15, 2007 7:13 PM PDT
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No, we're not
Nico and I are just interested in the integrity of the site.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 7:20 PM PDT
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Exactly. Foolsh, why don't you look up
the Foolsh Five and email them? Everyone's email address is in their user profile.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 7:22 PM PDT
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<chirp, chirp>
<ribbit, ribbit>
by ArakSOT on
Apr 16, 2007 8:48 AM PDT
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yes he did miss most of it
and should have started the season in Sacramento to get up to speed.
by OaklandSi on
Apr 15, 2007 4:59 PM PDT
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The difference
is before his injury problems Frank Thomas was a hall of fame hitter. So, if Crosby had been a hall of fame hitter prior to missing most of spring training your argument might have more validity. If one hall of famer can come back, then another could. However, just because Frank Thomas turned it around doesn't mean a far below hall of famer like Crosby will.
by IndianaAsfan on
Apr 15, 2007 6:39 PM PDT
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Your argument makes no sense
Your argement reinforces my point that you cannot judge Crosby by his play this month. If you are willing to excuse a future HOF hitter who misses spring training for not being ready in April, why criticise someone who by your own admission is not in the same class? You should be willing to cut him MORE slack, not less.
It's not Crosby's fault if the A's management decide that the best rehab is to play in Oakland. He's going to play to the maximum of his ability, wherever he is. But it's Beane's and Geren's decision where he plays this month. They are playing him on the ML club.
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Apr 15, 2007 9:12 PM PDT
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I'm one of the few left who agree with you ..
.. but arguing anything in defense of Crosby right now on AN has become as politically incorrect as, well, it reminds me of the current arguments about a certain war america is involved in. An increasing number think it's unwinnable {i.e. Crosby is hopeless} and no solution but to pull out. And, typical of those who are negative or "anti" - they don't seem to offer any viable solution since Crosby is the only starting SS we have right now at the MLB level. Scutaro is only a sub, a very good one but still a sub not intended as a starter. That said, I do understand the frustration of the anti-Crosby side {just as I understand those on the different sides of the issue of the war}, and don't really have a solution to offer myself other than "stay the course" mainly because no other alternative right now - none that I can see. Please everyone, I'm not intending to get off-topic here or violate community guidelines, just used that as an illustration of what the Crosby vs. anti-Crosby climate here at AN reminds me of.
by Randy Bell on
Apr 15, 2007 9:27 PM PDT
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Politically correct?
You're comparing whether Crosby is good or bad to the war going on?
Here's my frustration: There is no solution. We have no one to replace Crosby with, because management has always been sold that he will come around.
Not only has his bat not come around (or he still may not be 100%--though I lay blame on the A's staff for last year's injuries), but his defense has gone to hell so far this year. I can handle Crosby as a .240 hitter with 20-25 bombs, but as someone who can't make a routine play?
Ask anyone who was AT the games this year. Crosby has been a joke in the field. No, I don't know why.
Do I have a solution? No. Marco is not a long-term solution, and barring a trade, there is no one in the system. Poor planning and too much faith in Crosby from the top.
Do I hope I'm wrong? More than you will EVER know; the future of the A's could depend on it.
But I don't consider myself on the 'anti' side because of any other reason than I don't have rose-colored glasses on. Look at Crosby's performance; really look at him, and you tell me how you can defend a player who, right now, is not playing anywhere close to the major league level.
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Apr 15, 2007 9:38 PM PDT
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No, he's not comparing Crosby to the war.
That's silly.
He's saying arguing against benching Crosby on this internet forum is like arguing against quitting Iraq on some other forum. The arguments are similar, in that they run up against frenzied popular opinion that seems to disregard all options other than "bail".
Avoiding the war issue, I'm still undecided on Bobby, but I do also believe that he's still capable of better things, and that he should be given the chance to "find himself" again, though I'd prefer to see him do it at AAA for now. The out he made before Walker came to bat was at least to opposite field...
by Elvez on
Apr 15, 2007 10:22 PM PDT
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the widespread dissatisfaction with Crosby
is based on his below average play, especially on defense, on a team that really needs its defense to be sharp given its offensive weakness.
There's nothing political about it, or irrational. Of course anyone who has a different opinion should feel free to express it. But it doesn't make the case for Crosby stronger to insult the fans who are displeased with his performance.
by OaklandSi on
Apr 16, 2007 9:54 AM PDT
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Apology to Oak, my post wasn't intended as insult
.. only mild sarcasm, but definitely I do not want you {or anyone} to feel that way. I was expressing how it feels from "the other side" - to say anything positive or apologetic for Croz does seem to invite ridicule here at AN, so it works both ways - that is all I meant. I guess when differences of opinion arise about a player, there can be {perceived} intolerance from both sides. So by the "politically incorrect" metaphor I simply meant that the "climate" here has appeared to me to become increasingly hostile to Croz and to anyone who dare to cut him some slack or offer apology for him - that's all. Again I'm sorry if you {or anyone else} took it as personal, it certainly isn't intended to offend my fellow A's fans in that way. And my position really isn't in defense of or apology for Croz - as I said, I don't see any positive alternative but to stick with Bobby and hope he snaps out of it. Scutaro is a sub not intended to start {especially at SS} and we don't have anyone else who is MLB ready at that position. :)
by Randy Bell on
Apr 16, 2007 10:09 AM PDT
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That is actually a pretty good analogy
in terms of the dynamics of the debate. I don't particularly want to say anything further, but I enjoyed that comment.
Well, I will say this: better to wait out an underperforming SS than to wait out......
by mikeA on
Apr 15, 2007 10:34 PM PDT
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What a load of bullshit.
He's playing really bad!
He can't hit (and hasn't over the bulk of his big league career) and right now he's woeful on defense. Is there really any other criteria we should be judging a non-pitching baseball player on?
Maybe he's hurt.
Maybe he's not game ready.
Maybe he's a bust.
The only thing we know for certain is that day after day he does more things to hurt the A's than he does to help them. Isn't that enough for you to want him out of the line-up?
You're right, Scutaro is nothing more than a sub. He is not a long term answer for a team with play-off intentions. But right now he's a Hell of a lot better option for Oakland.
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Apr 16, 2007 12:07 AM PDT
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Beane is still our commander in chief and ..
.. I will follow his leadership, along with vice president Geren .. {grin} ..
.. In the meanwhile, after a mid-season election, the anti-Crosby party has gained power at AN, and is threatening to cutoff support if the A's Administration doesn't do something soon to change policy and get this player out of an unwinnable lineup ..
.. Meanwhile, Anaheim has shown itself to be a real quagmire. It is a hostile place where we had a quick victory in 2003, followed by setbacks in 2004-2005, but then Beane & Company led us in a Counter-Surge that had some success in 2006 yet ..
.. for the most part Anaheim is shown itself an ungovernable province with a history of sectarian strife between two major religious factions dressed in the Monkey Red and the Green&Gold. There is fighting in the stands, the constant threat of beach ball bombs, ..- but our boyz have fought valiantly and continue to stage some major victories despite the discouraging climate down there .. and meanwhile ..
.. the Anti-Crosby Coalition continues to grow at AN and support for the A's Administration policy is wearing thin. What is going to happen, we don't know. Patience has worn out with Beane and Geren's "stay the course" with Crosby ..
Stay tuned .............
by Randy Bell on
Apr 16, 2007 4:48 AM PDT
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You must support Beane
Otherwise, you're just giving aid and comfort to the Angels.
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Apr 16, 2007 7:08 AM PDT
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{Grin grin} ..
.. glad to see folks lighten up a bit and respond to some humor ..
.. along those lines, just as one side on a real-life debate such as the war shouldn't impugn the other side's patriotism ..
.. so should we as fans not impugn the others' "fan-dom" if we disagree about "policy" such as with players we may like or dislike ..
.. It's OK to be on either side and still be a rabid fan of the Green&Gold ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 16, 2007 10:16 AM PDT
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MORE slack??
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Apr 16, 2007 10:35 AM PDT
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I think cloosley meant something like ..
.. his 2004 type of performance {although hopefully finishing with better batting avg} .. cloosley nor myself expect MVP or even ROY type perfomance but clearly Croz is not himself. The guy has talent, he isn't this bad. So {i think} cloosley is saying that Croz is still in a bit of a "rehab" or "catching up" stage, and instead of letting him try to 'reboot' down in AAA the A's brass thought it better to let him get up to speed early in the season against MLB level competition. Remember DJ was sent down last year, {in July iirc} and tore up AAA, then returned to to the big squad - but it wasn't clear that it worked for DJ and I agree with Robert Buan who said on last nite's extra innings that he is unconvinced that sending Croz to AAA is the answer .. my exhortation to A's fans would be to try your best to be patient with Croz because we really have no good alternative right now - if we did, the A's management would have used it dontcha think? Take Care ..
by Randy Bell on
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Yea probably
I think my frustration w/Crosby is that overall I think he's overrated. He tends to drop the double play turn at second in pressure situations (the first game this year isn't the first time that's happened - remember getting the stare down from Redman?), and I've never thought very highly of his hitting. So, I'm probably guilty of dumping a few years worth of frustrations on him over his poor overall start, and under any measure it has been poor.
I just hope the optimists are correct in that it is just rust and an altered approach at the plate causing the problems. If so, he should be rounding into shape in the next couple of weeks.
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Wow two buts in
the first sentence. Reminds me of Lackey and Colon.
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Repeat of 2006 Yankees Series
Nobody seems to have commented that this is exactly what happened last year in the first A's series against the Yankees. Scutaro won the game (in the rain), and clinched the series, by driving the ball to the wall in right field, over Hideki Matsui's head.
Scutaro is a clutch player, whatever the stats say!
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Apr 15, 2007 4:28 PM PDT
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nah
3 run walkoff HR is way more classy than a single
and how soon we forget that he came up twice yesterday with a chance to make a big hit but failed lol
by J Rod on
Apr 15, 2007 4:31 PM PDT
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hey, a career .300 player has failed
7 out of 10 times at the plate
by OaklandSi on
Apr 15, 2007 5:00 PM PDT
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The stats say
2 for 21 after that at-bat. Small sample size, yes, not very good the other 8 innings of a game, and probably 3 out of every 4 such situations.
<Dries wet blanket>
But for today, he's Super Marco.
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Apr 15, 2007 4:34 PM PDT
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Scutaro easily could have been
3 for his first 3 yesterday. This didn't come quite as "out of nowhere" as it looks on paper.
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Apr 15, 2007 4:36 PM PDT
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rivera's '42' makes for a classic image
mariano, of course, is the only player with that # due to the grandfather clause. between the rainouts and that final image of the ball shooting over that # on mariano's back, it has been an awesome tribute even without the hollywood show starting now in chavez ravine. did jackie want us to remember who that # belongs to when he blew that ball a little to the right? did jackie want to remind us all of what quality baseball is by raining out his least favorite teams?
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Nothing against you or baseballgirl
But do you really want to say that about Crosby after such a terrific win, and while you're celebrating a guy that was 1-20 going into the heroic at bat. I mean, it doesn't take much to not be terrible all of a sudden. If Crosby went 3-4 on Tuesday he suddenly wouldn't be terrible.
Look, I think it's likely that Crosby will be a journeyman who plays on several teams, an average or below-average player. But we don't know yet. We're hoping he's a little better than average (no more illusions about MVPs, obviously).
And just remember what was being said about Thomas all through April and May last year. And what's been said about so many others, Marco included.
Go A's, Crosby included.
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Apr 15, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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I don't think the criticisms of Croz
only date back one day, one series, or one month. The guy has had one great month in 3 years. But in this case, I'm literally just honoring bbg's request when she asked me to write the recap. I'd have difficulty disagreeing with it--especially right now, when Croz not only looks like a minor league hitter, but can't really throw either.
Oh: Congratulations, Jay Marshall, on your first major league win. You beat Mariano Rivera!
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It's a request
that didn't deserve to be honored. And all sorts of players aren't great. The A's have a roster full of them. That doesn't make them terrible. I know I've been hard on Bobby, too. But why single the guy out after a win like this?
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Fair enough:
Kennedy sucks too.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
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It was an AMAZING at-bat
To end a, by and large, frustrating game. The fans are angry at Crosby, me included, and rightly so. His offense is terrible and he made THREE miscues in the field today, any of which could have been the difference in the game.
Is Scutaro the answer? Of course not! He's not an every-day shortstop or hitter. But Crosby has NOT been even close to good with the bat...well, ever, and now that his fielding has gone to hell, he's hurting the team EVERYWHERE.
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Interview w/Marco
Coming up on BBTN.
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It's on now...
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Thoughts...
I guess I am glad I stuck with this game until the end.
-- Harden. Made of glass. Shoulder tightness, in A's parlance, could mean anything from: "His next start is pushed back a few days" to "His career is over." The reality is what we already knew: Harden can't be counted on as a critical part of the A's rotation. If he's around for some big games, that's just gravy.
-- Crosby. Horrible. I have been willing to patient with him because he's in extended spring training. But my patience is wearing thin. It's not that he can't hit. It's that he can't field or throw, either. My own recommendation is that he go to Sacramento for a while. He can have extended spring training somewhere that isn't costing the A's valuable wins. (That is management's fault, by the way.) Scutaro isn't hitting either, except in the ninth inning against a Hall of Fame closer to win the game. But we know he can be a capable fill-in.
-- Overall hitting. Dreadful. What's our team OBP after the first inning, anyway? I am not sure I want to know.
-- Unsung heroes. Scutaro can and should get the cudos. But let's not forget Walker getting on base when it didn't seem to matter or Kendall's walk that set everything up. And while we're at it, I have to give Nick Swisher a lot of credit for catching the ball at the wall. If he doesn't catch it, Scutaro's heroics don't matter.
-- Marshall. Those lefty submariners are a nuisance, aren't they? He's been doing great. It's nice to get him a much-deserved win.
-- Where it ranks. This is Scutaro's most amazing game-winner ever, considering the guy on the mound and the depressing preamble. He never wanted that jog around the bases to end.
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Most cogent and obejective summery I've read on
this site. Thanks....
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Agree, very good post/summary
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bear88 is always good
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nice recap
The hitting continues to be pathetic. Kietly
isnt hitting from the right side and he's just
down right awful from the left. Why he persists
with switch hitting is a puzzle that I'm not
going to solve, but i hope he does. Stewart
is OK but JayPay had better power. Piazza is
fine but he's no Thomas. Kendall has just more
down than up and so was Walker until that 9th
inning.
We just dont have much power in this lineup (less
than last year even!) and need to put together rallies to put runs on the board and that's not happening as well.
I hope DJ comes back healthy and swinging a big
stick because we're going to need the power at
1st and Buck keeps up his hot hitting and develops
some power as well because we're going to need
all we can get.
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Stewart ...
.. I'm still hopeful that he will be like Big Hurt - after 150-200 ABs, start hitting near his ability .. he does have an established MLB career and isnt this bad .. he was so good that he finished {i think} 3rd in MVP voting in 2003 playing for Minnesota so .. let's wait and see ..
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that was four years ago
but I'm not expecting heroics from Stewart, just capable defense and a good veteran bat and running skills.
by OaklandSi on
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Exactly
.. not an MVP-type year but the guy does have an established record as a good, reliable hitter at this level .. and he has some speed, as you say ..
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I agree with most of what you say
the only caveat being that he played his home games on turf which helps a guys batting average.
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Glass
What do Bartolo Colon, Jered Weaver, Kelvim Escobar, Randy Johnson, Francisco Liriano, Kenny Rogers, Kris Benson, Chris Carpenter, Mike Hampton, Jaret Wright, Matt Clement, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Cliff Lee, Josh Johnson, Brandon Backe, Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina, Carl Pavano, Esteban Loaiza, Mark Mulder and Pedro Martinez have in common?
I'll let you guess. Meanwhile Harden has yet to miss a game.
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but maybe harden SHOULD miss a game
i'm with nico and grover on this one. i get the feeling it's not too serious (crosses fingers), but why not have him skip a start?
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Agreed, especially this early in the season ..
.. even if he missed a couple of starts, that would be better than risking worse problems ..
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Harden's spot only makes one start
before April 25th. Meanwhile, as we get Ellis and Bradley back we play 9 games with a healthier lineup and a bullpen that will be well rested come Tuesday.
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Good fact checking
Smelling more and more like an opportunity to me.
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What's up with Ellis
he missed the second consecutive game today - is it still due to the hbp in his last at-bat Friday?
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yes, the A's said he has a
bruised trapezius from getting hit by that pitch on Friday night.
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it's the middle of April
it's not saying too much that he hasn't missed a start yet...after all, he pitched last April too.
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They've all been "On the DL"?
Maybe, I dunno, the way those girls write their blind items it could be almost anybody in those "Fearless in the Zone" boxer shorts.
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Apricot!
'Sup?
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< gives high-five >
That kid is consuming large amounts of time, and she no longer sleeps for hours on my lap as I surf the net.
But the Apricot clan took a few minutes out tonight to watch the Marcownage and the TV call: "You gotta be kidding me!!" Was the radio call any more memorable? Given the time delay, I can probably tune in to hear it myself in a few minutes...
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qotm material
(if McFood can do it then I can too)
Fearless in the Zone boxers, priceless.
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Scutaro on BBTN
They're actually interviewing an A?!??!
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Agreed Nico
I have been trying to be patient with Crosby not just the first few weeks of the season but for the last two years and counting. He just is not getting it done, period.
I don't think it would be the end of the world if Billy Beane sent Crosby dowm to the minors for a few weeks or even longer. He just looks, quite simply, like dog shit.
(No offense to dogs around the area!)
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Nice win, bitches!!!
The sun is hot, you need air to breathe, Crosby sucks. We know all these things to be fact. I love how he twice ruined some momentum that Chavez provided (triple, then a SB) instantaneously. It's no big fucking mystery why we don't put big innings together. There are some serious black holes in the lineup. After the Chavvy triple and subsequent Crosby "weak rollover I tried to pull" (TM), I thought we were going to lose. And we were leading 2-0.....Good teams seem to have a knack for piling it on (how's that for Baseball Almanac analysis?)
That being said, when I got home and was able to see the game, I was not surprised to see us down 4-2. I was surprised to see that Scooty HR. What a great moment, good for him.
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We all want Crosby to to well..
He came in with very high expectations, a la adios Miggy, and even though he won ROY honors, the competition, if I recall, wasn't much. He has yet to play to most fan's expectations whether it is due to injury or not. The A's brass is high on him for a reason (In Billy we trust). We can only hope. Unfortunately, he's playing like the last kid picked for a sandlot game. Go A's!
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agreed
at this point all i'm hoping for is that Crosby
becomes at the very least a league average SS.
anything beyond that is gravy.
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Crosby or Grieve
Does anybody else see Crosby's career being very similar to Mr. Ben Grieve.....
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ben grieve was actually decent
for a few years, crosby would have to improve considerably to be grieve.
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Wow, that's both true
and thoroughly depressing.
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Croz was as valuable
as DP-record-setting-slowest-non-fat-person-ever Grieve in 04 and 05 by playing good D and acceptable offense vs. Grieve's terrible D in LF.
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then how about adam piatt?
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I wish
Ben Grieve was the key ingredient in a trade that got us Mark Ellis, Johnny Damon, and Cory Lidle.
We'd be lucky to get the equivalent of any one of those for Crosby.
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a very astute observation
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MARCO! SCUTARO!
(Who was it that said Scutaro had lost his spark?!)
Just got back from the game. Right up to the last strike, there were some very loud yankee fans ragging on us A's fans in Section 227...and when Marco hit that sweet shot (I never doubted it was fair) they mysteriously disappeared.
Lots of us were jumping, shouting, hugging, and High-fiving for quite a few minutes in the stands!
Harden's shoulder was already tightening up before they took him out. I think he kept insisting he was fine. I hope it's nothing serious.
Today was Bradley's birthday. You know he was dying to be out there (he usually homers on his birthday), plus he was due to wear #42 in honor of Jackie Robinson. So the fact that he wasn't playing is worrisome.
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Why on God's green (and gold) earth
would a coach or trainer listen to a player when he insists he is fine? Don't we have a rather large sample size to suggest that players themselves aren't the greatest barometer?
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don't you counselor types have
an acronym for fine?
F - ucked up
I - nsecure
N- eurotic
&
E -motional
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That's just Cindi!
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 5:04 PM PDT
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files order with the other 77 in backroom
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Right:
A
looney
a's
supporter
kept
at
A distance
Otherwise known as a Restraining Order.
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Bradley
given his history of injury, I think the decision to keep him out was a good one. This, coupled with the off day tomorrow gives him six straight days off, a mini-DL if you will, and hopefully keeps it from being a nagging injury later on. At least that's what I keep telling myself.
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GREAT GAME!
Wow that was crazy! I leave for 10 minutes, turn the radio back on and hear something that just isn't possible. That didn't just happen, did it? But then I remember, oh yeah Scutaro! Like Yogi Berra said....
As for Crosby I'm still not giving up just yet. But I'm about at 95%
If Harden goes on the DL the world is not over. But If he misses more than a month then the world is over.
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Harden update from AP
Harden appeared to strain his shoulder when he barehanded a chopper by Cabrera in the third after retiring the first seven Yankees hitters. The pitcher was quickly checked by manager Bob Geren and trainer Larry Davis, but stayed in the game.
DID HE NOT LEARN FROM LAST YEAR???
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Usually if you strain your throwing shoulder,
the best treatment is to throw another 50 pitches.
Who's stupider: Our players or our medical team?
And...It's a tie!!!!
by Nico on
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so he hurt his shoulder in the third inning and
didn't tell anyone? Harden's an idiot if that's true.
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interesting
in the aftergame question session a reporter asked Geren if Harden's shoulder tightness had anything to do with his defensive play, and Geren replied "absolutely not."
by OaklandSi on
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I think it could be the AP guy just guessing.
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me too
by Randy Bell on
Apr 15, 2007 5:17 PM PDT
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and I think Geren may not have the info yet
or he's not divulging it yet. Anything is possible.
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also possible
by grover on
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Yeah, I think
"appeared" is journalist speak for "I'm guessing that..." If he'd had actual information, it seems like he would have attributed it to someone.
Still, I would not be surprised if Harden stayed in after getting hurt. Nico's comment reminded me of when Harden injured his elbow last season:
"It's frustrating," said Macha, who was impressed Harden could stay in the game after getting hurt. "It's mind boggling that he was still throwing 97 mph."
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Crosby is the anti-Beane
If Beane and his team of blue light Beanites are the masters of running around in the middle of the night and finding value the MLB bargain bins, how does one explain the Crosby factor? Better to dump a guy a year too early than a year too late? Sell while tangible value still exists? We aren't drafting guys to model blue jeans and underwear? Crosby has looked pathetic for nearly two years now, and many, many have called this, yet no action taken by his Supreme Geniusness. The club obviously need to make a change, fast. But how has the astute Beane allowed Crosby's stock to go all the way to zero before making said change?
Since 1999, the A's management has been the best in baseball and each year, it's so much fun to find what creative things they are going to do to compete and win games (you know, someone should really write a book about this). But the Crosby factor confounds. Across the concourse, Mully clearly knew what to do with Michelle Dunleavy, which was the same thing Billy did with Betty Grieve several years ago. There aren't that many Sabeans still out there, but the hope is that Beane can sucker the GM community and still obtain something in return for paper Bobby. Actually we may not need value in return- addition by subtraction is value adding enough right now.
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It seems like one avenue
is to find a team that believes a "change of scenery" is what Crosby needs in order to succeed. I don't especially crave an everyday starting middle infield of Ellis and Scutaro, but honestly Ellis and Crosby is no better anymore.
by Nico on
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Change o' scenery
I'm telling ya, JP Ricciardi can't be too happy with his SS tandem of Royce Clayton and John McDonald.
by grover on
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Beane should get more than McDonald
And no, I'm not talking about Adam Lind!
by grover on
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I'd take Lind for Crosby
A's need hitters. Lind can hit.
by WaddellCanseco on
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JP is not stupid
He's not going to trade Lind for Crosby.
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McDonald is a gold glove
caliber SS, but he can't hit--even by Crosby standards.
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I don't care about the hitting
It's the glove I'm more interested in. Besides, the A's would get more than McDonald in exchange.
Crosby's fielding is lousy right now and I don't trust him to stay healthy. I believe McDonald would be an improvement in both of those areas and that's good enough for me.
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Title of ESPN Recap
Great game, but ESPN must be living in the pre-Rodriguez trade past:
Scutaro hits walk-off to lift A's past Soriano, Yanks
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Quite possibly best Win Probability graph ever!
Marco's game winning hit is practically a straight vertical line from the bottom of the graph to the top!
All I have to say is HOLY TOLEDO!! for MARCO SCUTARO!!
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I think I'm gonna make that graph my
desktop background!
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pretty similar
to bradley's walkoff HR off bj ryan last year
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I hate to say it, but ...
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Apr 16, 2007 12:33 AM PDT
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I missed
much of the game...
does anybody have any hard knowledge of what's happened to Harden? is it all conjecture at this point?
by King Richard on
Apr 15, 2007 5:19 PM PDT
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so far A's won't say anything
except "tightness in his shoulder"
by OaklandSi on
Apr 15, 2007 5:21 PM PDT
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more like
tightness in the expected life span
by King Richard on
Apr 15, 2007 5:23 PM PDT
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Hey, at least
he doesn't have a bulging "dick" in his neck!
(Privately snickers to self......)
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that
was pretty clever.
by King Richard on
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You can thank
Mychael Urban for that one!
by mrod on
Apr 15, 2007 5:27 PM PDT
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I thank
Mychael Urban for most things.
by King Richard on
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Whoops, I made the same crack
about a "bulging dick" way up at the top of the thread -- I hadn't read down to your comment when I posted my comment, about 5 minutes after yours.
by Nick on
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A bulging dick every 5 minutes?
Enough of your cracks.
by Nico on
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Every five minutes
is just the minimum cowboy......return???????
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no worries friend
that shit still cracks me up!
I just was watching the replay on my dvr of Swisher's catch in centerfield earlier in the eighth inning. Really nice play and I'm sure Mark Kotsay was smilin very proudly at that moment.
just a beautiful win today, just beautiful......
By the way, how about them Warrioirs people??????
by mrod on
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it was quite spectacular in person
he just threw himself up there and came down with it...very exciting!
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Presumably that's a reply to the Swisher catch
part of the above post, and not the running joke from yesterday.
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Cyrus, awesome
Didn't work out so well for the Baseball Furies today either.
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Scoot Scoot Scutaro!
What a series, first of all! We were at all three games for all 33 innings. Not a blowout or lopsided time among them. But damn, today, with one swing, Marco turned around what would have been a melancholy "I hate the Yankees" 2-1 lost series into an "In your grill, Yankees!" 2-1 victory.
Today, I met new ANers. Today, we all agreed Crosby deserves time in Sacramento or purgatory, whichever is further away from Oakland. Today, we saw just how much better Harden is than Joe Kennedy. But, regardless, today, we won. We may not be able to score 15 runs a game, like the Mariners, but we can sure score more than the other team, when we have to.
Keep it up, A's!
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Apr 15, 2007 5:33 PM PDT
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Mariners were facing Texas pitching
.. Andy Pettit is still pretty darn good ..
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Is it Weaver or Saunders on Tuesday?
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Gaudin vs Saunders Tuesday
Haren vs. Lackey Wednesday
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mlb.com site has Weaver v. Gaudin
I wouldn't mind not seeing Weaver.
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Maybe it's Jeff
<can't blame a guy for trying>
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I'm reading off the A's game notes
so MLB.com is probably an update.
UPDATE: either Ervin Santana or Jared Weaver, because of the rainout of the Angels-Sox game today.
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Great, now one of two guys who own us
will pitch, followed by a guy who really owns us.
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Also...
It's very questionable whether the Angels and Red Sox will be able to play the Patriots Day game tomorrow morning, due to the weather.
(Game time: 7:05 a.m. Pacific time. [walks into bedroom to set alarm])
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maybe jered can get 4 2/3 innings in and get
snowed out.
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Hey, when a guy named "Soaker"
talks about the weather, I'm going to defer to his greatness.
by Nico on
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"Soaker"...
...comes from this type of soaking, but yeah, I am a total weather geek.
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Rainy Marathon Monday?
That's too bad. It's really the best day of the year in Boston.
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It sounds like it will be miserable
The storm forced the cancellation of five major league baseball games Sunday and gave runners in Monday's Boston Marathon something to worry about besides Heartbreak Hill. The race-day forecast called for 3 to 5 inches of rain, start temperatures in the 30s and wind gusts of up to 25 mph.
"I don't like that," professional Kenyan runner Stanley Leleito said playfully, burying his head in his hands when told of the forecast. "The problem is that wind," he said. "But only rainy is OK."
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seriously,
why schedule a western team for that game?
Pregame starts at 4:35, folks... that's just silly.
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The Yankees just got
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/commen...
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now we need
an image to go with the term
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OK
I made a couple using images from this game. I'm sure someone can take the time to make something better...


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Psst
Let's start a breakoff site, ANerswholoveLL.com. We could promise to talk about Felix so Jeff would come by.
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Surprisingly
that domain name is not taken yet.
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Stuck in ATL
during a "travel day from hell" - the Marco walk-off is the one thing that is keeping me in good spirits. Go A's!
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Margical Scutaro?
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Out of the cellar
Thanks to this win and the Rangers' loss, we're now a half game ahead of them in the standings. A couple of wins against the Ghosts of Anaheim and we're respectable.
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oh yeah,exactly one year ago
chavez,thomas,bradley had back to back to back HRs to win against the rangers 5-4
wonder how they'll win 5-4 on april 15th 2008
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Too many doctors here
I'm just thinking it's too bad some of you aren't on the payroll. You seem to have every pitcher's ailment figured out. Haren's hip is degenerative, and Harden's shoulder is now broken. Could he have possibly just strained it? (Like, what he's saying??)
I realize that injuries have dampened our spirits in the past (mine, too) -- but do you actually think the training staff is that clueless? If our organization is that inept -- meaning we have trainers and doctors who allow players to play hurt in order to further damage themselves -- then we are the worst run, most unprofessional club in the history of sports.
I find that hard to believe.
by Vacafan on
Apr 15, 2007 6:05 PM PDT
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Just to give you a direct reply,
yes I think the training staff is that clueless. I trust them about as much as the players do, which is not much. I don't think I know better; I just fear they don't either.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:08 PM PDT
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Seriously?
And I mean that -- not trying to get into an argument here -- do you think our front office would hire and/or keep a training staff that was/is that clueless????
Although I get as frustrated with the injuries as anyone, I find it hard to believe that we've really got a staff of guys "who slept at a Holiday Inn Expresslast night."
I don't know ... it seems to me that if these guys were that inept, someone who's job depends on wins and losses (like Beane and Geren, especially) would mention it.....
by Vacafan on
Apr 15, 2007 6:19 PM PDT
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There are reasons why the front office
might retain an incompetent training staff--they are reasons which you might be able to figure out but which I'm not at liberty to discuss.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:25 PM PDT
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secret photos?
by ak_A on
Apr 15, 2007 7:22 PM PDT
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They're not that secret
if they're on your MySpace page.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 7:23 PM PDT
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something more roidical than photos?
by ak_A on
Apr 15, 2007 7:28 PM PDT
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<sters straight ahead>
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 7:39 PM PDT
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OK, how about unlucky?
If you don't trust the person you're talking to than chances are you aren't going to be very forthcoming.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 6:17 PM PDT
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according to Harden his "injury"
is nothing serious and he's not concerned.
by larrysgurl on
Apr 15, 2007 6:06 PM PDT
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Easter bunny, why?
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:08 PM PDT
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here's the article
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gi...
by larrysgurl on
Apr 15, 2007 6:08 PM PDT
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Raise your hand
...if you expected Harden to pitch a whole season without any ailments.
We all know the dude is made of glass, and his mind is not right either. When a pitcher makes a bare-hand grab of a sharply hit ball, you know trouble is coming. The hand starts swelling, he tries to compensate for the lack of grip by doing something weird, and before you know it the bastard's on the DL for six weeks.
I would have pulled him out of the game as soon as he bare-handed that grounder.
by BubbaDude on
Apr 15, 2007 6:22 PM PDT
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Harden's mind
hockey players are usually wired wrong to begin with.
by grover on
Apr 15, 2007 6:26 PM PDT
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<raises hand>
OW!
<goes on DL>
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:27 PM PDT
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damn, beat me to it.
by ak_A on
Apr 15, 2007 7:23 PM PDT
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I'm tired of hearing about Crosby
We won the game and the series, and frankly Crosby outplayed the other team's shortstop. His timing is off and it probably would make sense to send him down to Little League for some confidence-building, but let's not inject Crasby-bashing into every damn FP thread on this blog.
by BubbaDude on
Apr 15, 2007 6:24 PM PDT
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If you think you're tired of hearing about Crosby
you should try watching him.
<rimshot>
Hey, I'm always up for Jeter-bashing. JETER SUCKS! (I wish)
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:27 PM PDT
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yeah, Jeter sucks
anyone else notice that he already has 6 errors. I'm going to be seriously pissed if he wins the gold glove again.
by jayefbe on
Apr 15, 2007 6:59 PM PDT
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Who is the person who would get it
(serious question, mind you.)
by MobiusKlein on
Apr 15, 2007 7:17 PM PDT
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bobby crosby, of course!
by xbhaskarx on
Apr 15, 2007 8:17 PM PDT
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tejada or michael young?
by closetasfan on
Apr 15, 2007 8:22 PM PDT
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Michael Young is a terrible shortstop
who is overrated offensively. In other words, he's exactly the kind of guy that Gold Glove voters will love. If you can give 3 GGs to Jeter why not one to Young?
by BlameChannel53 on
Apr 15, 2007 9:19 PM PDT
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How is he overrated offensively?
The guy is a 200-hit machine. Better than anyone we've got.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 9:26 PM PDT
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He is overrated
Young is a very nice hitter, but he doesn't walk that much and doesn't hit with all that much power. I'm not saying Young is not good, I'm just saying he is not an elite hitter as he is thought of and is now paid to be. Check his OPS+ and tell me if he is overrated offensively (and he has terrible range defensively). As I said, if Jeter stumbles, he will make the perfect candidate for the retards that vote for Gold Gloves every year.
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Apr 15, 2007 9:34 PM PDT
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No, he's not
He doesn't have much power, doesn't walk, and has a .275 career hitter away from Texas. He is a rich man's Shannon Stewart offensively, not an offensive star by any stretch of the imagination.
*Analysis courtesy of Jeff at LL, several weeks ago.
by mikeA on
Apr 15, 2007 9:53 PM PDT
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Even with the errors, the GG voters probably
still vote for Jeter. I think a good dark horse candidate would be Betancourt from Seattle. That kid can really pick it, but may not "hit" enough to win the Gold Glove. (Plus he plays on the west coast and doesnt get the ESPN love either).
by AsFanInLA on
Apr 16, 2007 9:24 AM PDT
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He probably is the best defensive SS in the AL
by BlameChannel53 on
Apr 16, 2007 9:58 AM PDT
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Betancourt, not Jeter
by BlameChannel53 on
Apr 16, 2007 9:58 AM PDT
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jackie robinson's widow
just called the giants "the enemy." awesome.
by xbhaskarx on
Apr 15, 2007 6:25 PM PDT
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and the yankees
by xbhaskarx on
Apr 15, 2007 6:29 PM PDT
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She's pretty funny, actually
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:30 PM PDT
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does she mean of civil rights or just the dodgers
?
by LAXile on
Apr 15, 2007 6:33 PM PDT
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she is HILARIOUS!
smart, funny, and a good looking 85 year old lady haha. her commentary was priceless. they should kick Joe Morgan out of the booth and just let Rachel call the game tonight.
by Christine on
Apr 15, 2007 6:47 PM PDT
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Why is everyone so high on Scoot, since he was
1 for 20 before the Homerun, a .050 average. Sure I'm glad he it the homerun, but he is having a DJ type start to the season.
by theblackpearl on
Apr 15, 2007 6:33 PM PDT
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He's had quite a few quality ABs,
and hit several balls hard. That's the part that's unlike DJ. But he's not a great hitter, just an uncannily dramatic one.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:34 PM PDT
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Crosby has had quite a few quality ab's, he is
hitting the ball the other way, he might be trying TOO hard to it the other way, so he isn't pulling the fastball, he is waiting for the breaking pitch, and hitting fastballs to 2nd basse.
by theblackpearl on
Apr 15, 2007 6:37 PM PDT
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yeah
he actually gave that ball a bit of a ride to RF in the 9th
and yesterday i thought for a split second that he had a walkoff
by J Rod on
Apr 15, 2007 6:45 PM PDT
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That's cool with me
as long as he doesn't hit me "hard" in the balls............errrrr ............uh......yeeeeeeaaaahhh!
by mrod on
Apr 15, 2007 6:58 PM PDT
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He also came to the team without
high expectations. All he's done is very adequately filled in for Crosby and Ellis, not to mention win a few ball games, oh yeah and never once complained about the role he has on the team (knowing that he'll be on the bench when the starters are healthy).
by letsgoas on
Apr 15, 2007 11:12 PM PDT
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he's also not playing regularly
he's a backup. DJ was expected to be the starting 1B last season, as was expected to be a slugger.
by OaklandSi on
Apr 15, 2007 6:38 PM PDT
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That is the problem with most of the people here,
you make an excuse for EVERYONE except Crosby.
by theblackpearl on
Apr 15, 2007 6:39 PM PDT
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Now, now--no excuses are made
for Witasick, Kielty hitting lefty, Larry Davis, or Angel Hernandez (though the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Humane Society combine to prevent us from criticizing his seeing eye dog).
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:43 PM PDT
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Excuses are also not permitted for...
- Joe Kennedy
- Esteban Loaiza
- Shannon Stewart
They're not yet in the AN pantheon.
by louismg on
Apr 15, 2007 6:45 PM PDT
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I'll happily make excuses for Kennedy
I think he's a perfectly nice 5th starter.
I'll make excuses for Loaiza too.
Kotsay returns----->Stewart gone.
by mikeA on
Apr 15, 2007 6:52 PM PDT
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I happen to think Crosby
needs extended spring training -- and not with the big club. That might be a reasonable excuse.
I think expectations are higher for players who are supposed to be starting players, who are supposed to be the leaders of the club in performance.
by OaklandSi on
Apr 15, 2007 7:14 PM PDT
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Nico
I've grown to really respect you and your baseball opinions ... but I gotta tell ya "there are reasons (why a team would hire an incompetent training staff) that you might figure out but I'm not at liberty to discuss" ...??!!
Either you have reached Oliver Stone-like "there's a conspiracy behind every corner," or you have completely lost any objectivity on this matter.
Do tell, my friend, what deep, dark secret have you become privy to as a result of your work on AN??!!
by Vacafan on
Apr 15, 2007 6:35 PM PDT
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It's none of the above,
and I'm sorry I mentioned anything because I really can't discuss it. Anything "inside info" I may be privy to is only speculative anyway, so please ignore.
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:41 PM PDT
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This guy knows, too.

And he's not sayin', either.
by The Dogfather on
Apr 15, 2007 6:50 PM PDT
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Blanton knows?
by Nico on
Apr 15, 2007 6:55 PM PDT
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that was funny
by closetasfan on
Apr 15, 2007 8:24 PM PDT
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I recall you having inside info on little G. too
So:
inside info on little G and Larry Davis.
Only reasonable conclusion: The three of you share the same dealer.
by mikeA on
Apr 15, 2007 6:56 PM PDT
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