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It's Official: A's Open Season in Japan

[EDITOR'S NOTE: Yes, the A's are opening the season in Japan.  As the home team.  So unless many East Bay people want to spend a lot of money to travel to Japan, we'll be missing the A's "home opener".  I still don't get why it's a home game for the A's and not for the Red Sox since I'm pretty sure that the crowd will be strongly partisan for the team that actually HAS Japanese stars playing for it.  Ugh. - Blez]

The A's and Red Sox will start the 2008 season in Japan.

The five days of festivities include regular-season games between the two clubs on March 25 and 26, exhibition day-night doubleheaders against Nippon Professional Baseball teams on March 22 and 23, and an off-day workout sandwiched in between on March 24.

Star-divide

"The Oakland A's are very excited and honored to be opening the 2008 season in Japan," Michael Crowley, the team's president, said. "Baseball is truly a game without borders and we are pleased to have the opportunity to be a part of the game's growth on the international level."

Incentive for the A's to sign Fukudome?

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Home team

What bothers me is that the A's are going to be the home team for both games.  That's two fewer games in the Coliseum.  

Wouldn't it make sense for the Red Sox to be the home team with Matsuzaka and Okajima on their roster?

by TDub on Nov 14, 2007 7:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not unless we resign Yabu
I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Nov 14, 2007 7:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YABU!!

that dude was BAMF

...or maybe just B...

by noava22 on Nov 14, 2007 7:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I don't understand why they don't make each team the "Home" team for one game each, then play a 2 game series each in Oakland and Boston.  That seems to be the most equitable solution, but of course MLB is rarely equitable.

Will there ever be a boy born who can swim faster than a shark?

by JLeverenz on Nov 14, 2007 8:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand why

Playing a game in Boston makes like 3x as much revenue for MLB as playing one in Oakland.

That being said, I suspect Oakland is being paid quite handsomely for the trip. I suspect the trip bonus will be pretty important for the poorer-paid players on the roster, financially speaking.

And let's face it, playing in front of a 50% Red Sox crowd in Oakland isn't exactly a "home" game, either.

This is indeed an incentive to sign Fukudome. As I've said before, his "salary" is not really his salary, if the promotional and marketing campaigns are executed correctly. The A's could recoup millions each year in profits from those.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2007 8:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marginal returns for the A's

A's-Red Sox games at the Coliseum are among the highest revenue dates on the A's schedule, nearly $1 million per game date. I can understand a positive return on an A's-Royals game scheduled in Japan, but A's-Red Sox? Marginally better based on normal gate/concessions revenue.

Now, if MLB were giving the A's incentives, say from the commish's discretionary account, it would make sense. It may be yet another unstated rule that the have-not (revenue receiving) teams have to go along with.

by vertig0 on Nov 14, 2007 12:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean because

more people will be cheering for Boston than Oakland?  Heck, that happens in Oakland...

"It was inevitable that his natural man-love for all things catcher would eventually overcome his grief at the loss of Jason Kendall." -- PaulThomas

by oblique on Nov 14, 2007 9:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, that's my only problem with this...

The A's lost two home games, and I doubt we will get 100% of the ticket sales revenue.  If anything, it will be a 50/50 split with Boston (and knowing MLBs crush on the East-Coast-Big-Market Teams, as well as how long it took them to convince Boston to sign on for it), we probably will come out no better than even with what we would have expected from two games in Oakland, but we'll be playing in a hostle environment.

It would be very interesting to see what the deal actually looks like...

Larry Davis is an All Star: Further proof that literally anything is possible.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 14, 2007 12:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

March 25-26 are Tue-Wed

Will they be part of the Sac Fly ticket plan?  With airfare & accomodations?  ;)

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Nov 14, 2007 7:40 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

26th is my birthday...

..trying desperately to figure out if there's any reasonable way for me to go over there for the occasion..not coming up with anything...

"It was inevitable that his natural man-love for all things catcher would eventually overcome his grief at the loss of Jason Kendall." -- PaulThomas

by oblique on Nov 14, 2007 9:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sports Bar!

It's the next best thing to being there!  Or something.

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Nov 14, 2007 9:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do they have sports bars in Japan?
"It was inevitable that his natural man-love for all things catcher would eventually overcome his grief at the loss of Jason Kendall." -- PaulThomas

by oblique on Nov 14, 2007 9:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Karaoke sports bars.
"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Nov 14, 2007 9:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where you get to guest-announce

part of the action, and a script is scrolling by telling you what to say?

"It was inevitable that his natural man-love for all things catcher would eventually overcome his grief at the loss of Jason Kendall." -- PaulThomas

by oblique on Nov 14, 2007 10:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, they do ...

but they cater mostly to futbol (soccer) and rugby ... which, conveniently get broadcast live from Europe in the late evening, Tokyo time.

When I was over there a month or so ago, my buddy and I tried to go to a sports bar for the Niners-Seahawks (he's from Seattle) game -- it was starting at 5 am ... the same time the bars closed.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 14, 2007 10:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

but like most places in japan, it is way too expensive. almost $10 for a guiness at most places. even other imported crap is like $8.50 or so.

by simbiant on Nov 15, 2007 12:41 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say this is good for the A's becuase

they have to be making money by agreeing to this trip. They're sacrificing two sellouts at McAffee (surely a season opening series vs. Boston would result in sellouts) for this trip. I'm sure it is worth it to them financially.

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by Kelly on Nov 14, 2007 7:45 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We still face Boston Opening night here in Oak.

The Japan games are actually March 25th and 26th then we come back here and play April 1 & 2 vs. Boston. So its not that bad, but it does take 2 Boston games out of our schedule which hurts.  If Crowley is all for it, I'm sure we're being compensated..

But in terms of signing Fukudome, I don't think these 2 games are going to change much on that front.  Assuming that the A's marketing and promotional campaign would rise to capture all additional revenue from such a signing just doesn't seem to be the A's way of doing things.  If it were, would we not have doen so when we signed Yabu?

by GusanoQuemador on Nov 14, 2007 9:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

30-year-old former MVP/star

=/= 36-year-old washed up relief pitcher.

Fukudome's team just won the Japan Series, too. His profile in the country couldn't be higher right now.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2007 9:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still Seems like we would have tried
to at least do something in the way of marketing Yabu.  When you talk about escalating marketing campaings, you're talking about spending money, which, as we all know, is not the A's typical approach.  

by GusanoQuemador on Nov 14, 2007 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The pay-off of marketing a former MVP to an

entire nation would presumably be much greater than the pay-off of promoting Ellis for a GG or Haren for the Cy, so I think it makes sense even if it is unlikely.

by scromulus on Nov 14, 2007 10:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I remember the schedule from 2003 correctly

The A's-Mariners games were scheduled for the evening, Tokyo local time.  The time difference from Tokyo to Oakland is something like 16 hours.  So, a 6 p.m. starting time in Tokyo is a 2 a.m. start in Oakland.  So either stay up extremely late or set a 2 a.m. alarm.  The start time would be 5 a.m. in Boston, and those of you in Europe could actually watch a game in the middle of the day.

by Soaker on Nov 14, 2007 9:30 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

{starts caffeine-loading now}
"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Nov 14, 2007 9:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

< starts adult-diaper-delivery service >
The administration will punish those who have broken the rules. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 14, 2007 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

< patents smell-resistant truck liner >
"It was inevitable that his natural man-love for all things catcher would eventually overcome his grief at the loss of Jason Kendall." -- PaulThomas

by oblique on Nov 14, 2007 10:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is effing ridiculous.
"That doesn't happen in Spiderman."

by Jennifer on Nov 14, 2007 11:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll say

I'm much more likely to be up at 2:00 am than 5:00 am

"The Athletics at Fremont" is ignoble

by ArakSOT on Nov 14, 2007 11:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll have to go to bed early

to be up by four (or five). Then I'll have to leave for work before the game is over.

Fuck you, baseball fans.

"That doesn't happen in Spiderman."

by Jennifer on Nov 14, 2007 11:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You guys ever heard of a VCR?

It's two ****ing baseball games.

Out of 162.

I think you'll survive.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2007 11:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me neither ...

I did ... but then I realized that I don't own any video cassettes ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 14, 2007 12:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paul i like you

but i want to know are you the fat guy with glasses from American Inventors?

by jahs34 on Nov 14, 2007 4:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I'm the title character from "Bones"

except not female. Or an anthropologist.

Translation: I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2007 6:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's in season three

but, if you haven't seen it, you haven't seen it... just like I haven't seen "Desperate Housewives," and have no plans to start.

I bring it up only because the title character is, like me, almost comically ignorant of popular culture.

by PaulThomas on Nov 15, 2007 9:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and yet you know that ...

I didn't know that ... all I know is that the chick's name is bones and it has the guy from Buffy ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 15, 2007 2:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh its that one

Haven't seen it but yep seen banners in the internet with the Buffy guy.

by jahs34 on Nov 15, 2007 4:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now why we know so much about Buffy ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 15, 2007 10:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, when would you start it?

1 p.m. Tokyo?  That's 11 p.m. ET/8 p.m. PT ... Good for West Coast fans, but not so much for East Coast fans -- and yes, both coasts would have to be taken into consideration.

Unless there's a massive change in the planet's time zone structure, someone's going to lose sleep over this -- figuratively and literally.

"Former Huntsville Star Eric Chavez..."

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 14, 2007 5:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They should start it so that it will show at 8

eastern, 5 pacific ... 11 am in Tokyo ... maybe noon in Tokyo, 6 PST, 9 EST ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 14, 2007 10:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds about right...

I recall the Yankees-Rays and Cubs-Mets series in Japan starting at 5 a.m. ET/2 a.m. PT.

"Former Huntsville Star Eric Chavez..."

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 14, 2007 5:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haren vs. Beckett.. woo hoo

I'm there.  Actually, as a fan, I'm happy to see the As playing in Japan.  I also think the players are excited for it as well.  Of course, we can speculate about possible Japanese player signings that can results from this but in the most basic of terms, this is a chance for us to gain international and national exposure (and hence $$$s).  I also think this takes virutally all the what ifs off the board and forces the As to remain competitive.  I think the expectation is for both teams to field the strongest teams possible and with all the As have to gain, I don't see them without any major pieces.  The proper course of action is to stand pat with a few clever additions.

I think the trip sets the rotation in stone of Danny, Joe, Bionic Rich version whatever we are on, Chad, and Duke (consideration given to whatever is the backup plan once the batteries run out on Bionic Rich)... with Street as our closer and a hitting core centered around Ellis, Swisher, Chacez, Buck, and Barton.  If we defeat the WS champions, the buzz/momentum would be huge and could easily carry us into the playoffs.  (Not to mention the increased fan interest).      

by AsWin on Nov 14, 2007 11:59 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

optimism!

Wow, a huge smile appeared on my face after reading that...the offseason is for dreaming, after all.

by dscel on Nov 14, 2007 12:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't we just send the Rivercats?

I thought they were amazing against MLB this year and they still managed to win the AAA championship.

It would keep our regular players in tune for a regular start of the season, and let's face it - if the games are from 2am to 5am, who in the U.S. is really going to see it?

by GreenAndGoldFish on Nov 14, 2007 1:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will season-ticket holders...

...get a discount for two missed games?

Like others have said, it comes down to money.  If it didn't, they could just as easily split the games... one home game each.

by UncleLeo on Nov 14, 2007 1:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is good for the A's

Tons of exposure via ESPN who will replay the crap out of this. Big time for Haren/Harden. It's also during Spring training, so if Billy wanted to last minute deal anyone... The team must be getting buku bucks for it. And they'll have a week to recover, and will not lose much because they play the Sawx the next week. Win win. Nice job.

by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 14, 2007 1:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That should be fun

I'll get to watch that game with all these Red Sox fans here in Boston at the wee hours of the morn.

Man that's gonna be a bad couple of days if we lose.

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on Nov 14, 2007 2:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In all seriousness though

It will be kind of fun to see the attention our team ought to inevitably get from this for once.

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on Nov 14, 2007 2:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New A's unis:

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Nov 14, 2007 2:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course it's good for us.

Consider:

Huge hype and exposure.  

Opportunity to showcase our young'(g)uns.

Direct flights from Tokyo to Vancouver when Harden twangs his elbow.

How often do you get to play in the Fukudome?    

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Nov 14, 2007 2:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen to that

I hope we spoil everything by having our guys whoop up on 'em.

We did it last year.

Here's to AN Day in Tokyo

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Nov 14, 2007 3:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Starters

So, presuming Haren and Harden (or Blanton) start the games there, will they start the other games once the regular season "starts" again? We could get two Haren starts before ever having to deal with a 3-5 starter.

Barry Zito Colonoscopy

by JediLeroy on Nov 14, 2007 3:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a good point

But I'm still not excited about it.

by Blez on Nov 14, 2007 4:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is a plot by Lew to spoil my bet with mikeA
The administration will punish those who have broken the rules. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 14, 2007 5:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*&^%% Lew Wolff!
"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Nov 15, 2007 7:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm OK with it

Let the fans in Japan have their fun.

I thought this quote from Billy Beane was rather funny:

As evidence of Japan's passion for the game, Beane is something of an icon there as the result of the best-selling book, "Moneyball," which detailed his approach to the business of baseball.

"The book is huge over there, I guess, so I'm like a David Hasselhoff type or something," Beane joked. "I'm one of those guys who has this random celebrity status, like a John Tesh or something."

"Former Huntsville Star Eric Chavez..."

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 14, 2007 6:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True story:

I bought my copy of the book at a Kinokuniya (essentially the Japanese version of Borders-- there's one in SF, too) in Tokyo.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2007 6:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bought all my

David Hasselhoff CDs at Borders. In an Anaheim strip mall.

by mikeA on Nov 14, 2007 8:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great, you are fan too!

will add you to my hasselhoff newsletter (that makes three of us in north america)

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Nov 14, 2007 10:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't Moneyball's Japanese title

"LITTLE CASH TEAM MAKE BIG HAPPY PLAY: FUN TIME!!"?

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Nov 15, 2007 8:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fukudome?

Is that where Cheap Trick did that live concert album?  

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Nov 14, 2007 7:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

301 people think it's a bad idea

...for the A's to increase their exposure to the japanese market? At the cost of what, one friggin' home game? This isn't the NFL, one game is nothing for an MLB team.

by kvn on Nov 14, 2007 8:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't MLB

step up and say it's fair to make it 1 home game for each team?  Rather than, I don't know ... give one team a competitive advantage that could easily be avoided.  It's so transparently corrupt anymore, I don't even know why I watch.

by Bleeding the Green and Gold on Nov 14, 2007 9:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball is a plutocracy

just like all the rest of this society.

I'm not sure why you were expecting anything different.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there's no way

MLB would let the World Series champions be the home team in Japan.

Yeah, that's right, I'm sayin' it - RACIST!

:-P

Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"

by popcornjames on Nov 15, 2007 10:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad

Don't the teams that play the Japan starter usually start off slow, something the A's do without timezone help.  How is this good?  Do we need extra losses early because no one is awake?

by EgolikeRickey on Nov 14, 2007 9:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some discussion going on

over at JapanToday.com.   At least one A's fan in Japan has commented.  Oddly, according to this story, Nippon Professional Baseball says that the exact dates and venues won't be announced until mid-December.

While there are certainly going to be more people cheering for Boston (or for Matsuzaka and Okajima) I bet there will be a fair number of A's fans (I hope to be one of them, though I'm not sure), and I doubt Japanese fans would express any hostility to the A's or any other visiting team with no history.   I bet Swisher becomes a minor media star for the week.

Pitchers and catchers report February 9, 2008! (tentative)

by Englishmajor on Nov 14, 2007 9:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travel Miles

Is anyone else worried about the effect that these additional thousands of miles of travel and shortened spring training schedule will have on the team? It seems Oakland is consistently among the league leaders on travel miles year after year, and this certainly isn't going to help...

by sypher1504 on Nov 14, 2007 11:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope ...

because it gives the A's extra time off over the course of the season.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 15, 2007 2:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well..

as bad as it may be for jet lag and such, it is good for me! i have never seen the a's live and i moved to japan less than three months ago. while i doubt i will be able to get a ticket, it is still pretty exciting. for the team, i think it is probably a bad thing though. maybe they will expand their asian scouting?

by simbiant on Nov 15, 2007 12:38 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I at least have a chance to see the A's in person

after several years of being a fan from afar. I think the last time I saw a game at the Coliseum was somewhere in the 1999-2000 range. Of course, I have to be able to secure tickets, which may not be that easy given the marquee value of Red Sox here.

by Mark A on Nov 15, 2007 1:12 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody here actually going to Japan??

I remember back in 2003 on the A's official site, there was a group of maybe seven fans or so(some Bay Area residents, some ex-pats in Japan) going to the A's/M's games. Obviously the games got cancelled.

It would be interesting to see if anybody from AN makes the trek out and to hear their stories.

by uci anteater on Nov 15, 2007 10:50 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look for the white guy

I will be in Japan, and will attend the games.  I will be the white guy in the A's jersey, shouldnt be too hard to miss.  I can only hope Kaz Tadano will be on the roster.    

I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says Shenanigans.

by AthleticSupporter24 on Nov 15, 2007 11:47 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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