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A's Pitcher Kirk Saarloos Traded to the Reds

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[editor's note, by louismg]Shortly after signing Kirk Saarloos to a one year deal, avoiding arbitration, the team traded him to the Reds today, in exchange for minor league relief pitcher David Shafer.

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Original diary content from oak1 below...

MLB radio reported that Kirk Saarloos has been traded to the Reds for minor league relief pitcher David Shafer and a player to be named later.

Saarloos is making an appearance on MLB radio later on today.

Shafer is a minor league AA pitcher with a 2.60 ERA and 26 saves.

This move comes out of the blue and solidifies Joe Kennedy's spot in the rotation though Halsey, Windsor et al will probably be on call anyway. I wonder whether Billy got market value for the trade given how much starting pitching has been selling for recently. Comments?

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More info on Shafer

Shafer, 25, was 1-2 with a 2.36 ERA (13er in 49.2ip) with 26 saves in 44 appearances for Double-A Chattanooga last season. He struck out 52 batters in his 49.2 innings of work, issued just 16 walks, allowed just two home runs and limited hitters to a .204 batting average. His 26 saves were tied for second in the Southern League. Over the past two seasons, he has limited hitters to a .207 average (77-207). Originally selected in the 32nd round of the 2001 First-Year Player Draft, Shafer has posted a 14-16 record and a 2.59 ERA (71er in 246.1ip) to go along with 63 saves in 169 minor league appearances, including seven career starts. He has struck out 269 batters in his 246.1 innings of work while walking 74 batters and limiting opponents to a .219 (200-915) batting average. A native of Flagstaff, Ariz., Shafer attended Central Arizona Community College. He will be placed on Oakland's 40-man roster.

by OaklandA23 on Jan 23, 2007 12:30 PM PST   0 recs

Link
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070123&c ontent_id=1784673&vkey=pr_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak
"I mean, hey, if they're going to bring the A's to Fremont, you might as well bring a Hooters." ~ some guy

by Poppy on Jan 23, 2007 12:33 PM PST   0 recs

Not surprising
I was expecting Saarloos to be traded all offseason.  Saarloos had a magical 2005, but 200 showed that his Cinderella time had passed.  Saarloos is starting to get expensive, and I was surprised that the A's would want to pay him over a million while there are players in the minors who have more talent.  Shafer is nothing special, but he could be a "useful bullpen spare part" as John Sickels predicted.  That sounds about right for a guy with Saarloos' limited abilities and increasing salary.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 23, 2007 12:36 PM PST   0 recs

should be "2006 showed"
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 23, 2007 12:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You put it best.
Although we got the most out of Saarloos, he definitely has "limited abilities."
Simply no need to pay him too much money.

Now, all we need is a first basemen who will hit 45-50 homeruns and we're set.

by nfadil4 on Jan 23, 2007 12:39 PM PST   0 recs

Scouting report: BA 2006
Former JC teammate of Rich Harden. Turns 25 in March. 6-2, 180 lbs R/R.

88-92 FB, average SL, average CH.

BA ranked him as the 26th best prospect in Cincy's system. (This was back in 2006, remember.)

Bit of a flyball pitcher but he's been able to avoid the HR.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/David-Shafer.shtml

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 23, 2007 12:43 PM PST   0 recs

Anyone think
this + Embree + that Dunn guy represents a commitment to try and make Gaudin a starter?

by mikeA on Jan 23, 2007 12:44 PM PST   0 recs

my theory
we're going with a 25 man bullpen this year.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 12:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Heck, who needs fielders
if you can get 27 K's every game, right?
"I guess more players lick themselves than are ever licked by an opposing team." ~ Connie Mack

by Flyin As on Jan 23, 2007 12:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

unless we bring back Canseco...
probably a 12 or 13 man bullpen
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

the thought crossed my mind too...
Gaudin competing for the starters job out
of spring training with Kennedy and the
others.

the A's were carrying one too many a pitcher
on the 25-man and a trade was inevitable.

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 12:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

with so many question marks in the rotation
(kennedy, harden, loaiza), i think this move indicates the front office has a fair amount of confidence in both gaudin and windsor (and maybe even halsey) to step in if necessary.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 1:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I hope they
don't have too much confidence in Windsor...

by mikeA on Jan 23, 2007 1:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i hope they have SOME confidence in windsor
sure he looked lousy in 13 innings with the a's, but he had a k/9 over 9 in the minors, including in 120 innings for sacto.
i bet he could be a decent fifth starter if he gets the chance.  as much as i like saarloos and dislike windsor's anthony reyes style hat, he'd probably be better than saarloos.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 1:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

lol...
seeing as I never got the chance to witness any of Windsor's 13 IP with the A's this year, I'm wondering about the Reyes-style-hat reference...flat-brimmed?  Does he go one better and still leave the New Era (Buffalo-based company, by the way...not something to be too proud of though, since their working conditions in their factory leave something to be desired) sticker on the top, which seems to be all the rage for fitted baseball hats now?  

As an aside, the best hats that I can think of belong to two relievers, one current and one former: Mike Timlin and John Wetteland.  Those things are/were never, ever replaced.  Guerrero's batting helmet is the hitter's equivalent.  I'm sure it's easy to apply some foreign substances onto hats like that...maybe Julian Tavarez and Brandon Donnelley should have looked into it.  Tavarez...that dude's hat had a pretty flat brim too, if I remember.

After all this focus on hat brims, the distinctive feature of the hats of Windsor and Reyes is probably something completely different...like, pulling the hat down low over his eyes or something.  I need to be informed here...if Windsor repeats his 2006 MLB performance in 2007, his hat preference may be all he's remembered for.  

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

flat brim
and hat pulled down practically over his eyes.

go a google image search.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 24, 2007 8:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I have loads od confidence in him.
Won more games in AAA than anyone last year.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 23, 2007 1:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

back in the day for the Buffalo Bisons...
mid-90's, so not too far back in the day, but back when I used to go to like 5 games a year, there was a starting pitcher named Joe Roa.  You could probably baseballcube or baseball-reference him if you'd like...as for me, I'm just going to rely on memory and say that one year he was on an absolute W-L tear, something like 16-3.  

Have you ever heard of Joe Roa?

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not talking 'ever'.
I'm talking last year.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 23, 2007 9:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I know...
My point was just that racking up wins in AAA doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot...Joe Roa kicked around the majors for a little while after that, I think, but didn't land anywhere and had a short career.  Wins are good if you have a rooting interest in the minor league team, as I did in the Bisons, but other stats are more important if your rooting interest is with the major league team that the minor leaguer is affiliated with.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 9:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Fair point. However...
..if you're going to bet on a kid to make it, leading all of AAA in wins isn't a bad indication of worth.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 23, 2007 11:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And its not as if his other numbers...
are bad.  He was a pretty darn good minor league pitcher.  The one thing that throws off some of his numbers is his unusually high BABIP, which I saw a recent study of saying that doesn't mean much when translating to the majors.  A high BABIP in the minors is likely to go down, just like a major league pitcher with an unlucky year.

by SuperBean on Jan 23, 2007 11:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

was that a warm evening in
Baltimore, if I recall?
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Jan 23, 2007 7:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

huh?
is that an esoteric reference/inside joke, or just a strange query?
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

windsor, big league debut in baltimore?
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Jan 23, 2007 8:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ah, ok
It seemed like you were asking more about the weather than anything else, so I was confused.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 10:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

my life is such, that i can remember
trifeling details like that.  Where did I put my car keys? who knows.
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Jan 24, 2007 7:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That...
or they don't really have any other choices.

Saarloos posted a 4.88 ERA and a 1.74 WHIP as a SP last year, if you thought he got lucky in 2005 he must have sold his soul to Satan last year.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 23, 2007 1:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

if they keep track of a DP/IP stat
(double plays per innings pitched, not some fucked up abbreviation for defense independent performance...anyway) which I'm sure they do, Saarloos must have won that category by a record margin last year.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

it also means
the a's don't have as much faith in santiago casilla as they did in jairo garcia.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 3:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

first time i've ever done this
QOTM nominee right there
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I sure hope it does...
And with Beane's rave reviews of Gaudin from the past, I'm confident he's going to at least get a shot.  When all is said and done, raw talent will always get extra opportunity to defy statistical deficiencies that may exist.  Translated: saying Gaudin has the best stuff on the team outside Harden does not suggest another year of being the like 5th option out of the pen...it should ideally suggest being the 5th starter.  

But, I still think we should trade a higher-end bullpen guy (ahem, Street)...look what Mike Gonzalez can net.  Then Gaudin could close.

One more thing: is "that Dunn guy" going to even have a shot at making the MLB roster and thus affect Gaudin's status, even with Los Kirk gone?  He's AAA filler, no?

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Saarloos in the NL
is a middle of rotation starting pitcher.

With the pitching market what it is, I wonder
if the A's got back enough for Saarloos?

I hope Shafer is good, or else this trade
definitely looks better for the Reds in the
short term.

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 12:54 PM PST   0 recs

No
Saarloos is not a middle of the rotation starter in the NL, and he might not be a middle of the rotation starter in the PCL.  Saarloos is a nice guy who maximized his talent and got very lucky in 2005.  He is very likely to get lit up in Cincinnati if he is used as a starter.  
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 23, 2007 1:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

he's underestimated
i remember a game against the indians in 2005
when they were the best team down the
stretch. Saarloos pitched a really good
game befuddling Hafner, Sizemore, Martinez,
Peralta and Crisp when these guys were all
in a groove. When he's on, he is pretty good
and really effective just doesnt blow you away
with a fastball.

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 1:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes
We should definitely base our personnel decisions on a guy having one good game.  Tuffy Rhodes and Mark Whitten for the Hall of Fame!!!
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 23, 2007 1:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

one example
he was pretty good for the A's several times
as a starter over the last 2 years.

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 1:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

almost every MLB starting pitcher
is pretty good several times over a couple years.

i guess they're all middle of the rotation starters in the NL.  wait, the NL sucks, that might actually be true...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 1:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jeff Weaver
for the Angels was just horrible in the AL
and couldnt win a game to save his life.

Becomes a match winner for the Cards and
a steady middle of the rotation in the NL!

Couldnt resist that one at the expense of the
Halos:)

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 1:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, but Weaver...
Wasn't THAT much better for the Cards than he was for the Angels.  His W/L looked a lot better due to some good run support, and then of course he had a few good playoff games, but during the regular season he stunk up the Cards nearly as badly as the Angels.

2006 Angels: 88 2/3IP, 114H, 21BB, 62K, 18HR, 1.52WHIP, 6.29ERA
2006 Cards: 83 1/3IP, 99H, 26BB, 45K, 16HR, 1.50WHIP, 5.19ERA

Pretty much all of his peripherals are worse(lower K/9 and higher BB/9), but his BABIP was a bit lower.  Otherwise, he was the same crappy pitcher.  

I think this trade is a nice deal, not a steal but I think it should help strengthen the pen.  PECOTA already has Shafer posting better numbers than Loos next year, while 3 years younger and now a bit cheaper.

by SuperBean on Jan 23, 2007 1:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

We can drop our SPs with two more RPs!
<Damn! We could have kept Saarloos!>
VORS = Value Over Replacement Suckitude

by Billy Ball 2005 on Jan 23, 2007 1:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I was having a little fun with you
Saarloos was amazingly effective in 2005.  However, the fact he got lucky in 2005 does not make me want to rely on him in 2007.  I'm glad that the A's have decided to let some of the 15-20 other pitchers in their system who are likely to better than Saarloos in 2007 get a chance.  I will be cheering for Saarloos, however, he's a hell of a guy and gave his best effort for the A's.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 23, 2007 1:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Haren's got to be pissed
His skills as a barber are going to go to waste now
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

He'll always find work.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 23, 2007 11:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

but...
there were a few frustrating starts thrown in
as well especially last year. I dont think he
was handled well last year being messsed around
between the starters role and bullpen duty
consistently.

i think he notched up a save and a win in the
same week last season.

saarloos was a battler and an underdog; one
of the misfits and an important part of
the puzzle with the a's.

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 1:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

yeah...
and while he may not have been the Holy Grail, he was just a step below...the A's liked him from the time he was drafted by the 'Stros, as Moneyball recounts.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hard-hittin' Mark Whitten!
He's a coach in the Northwest League now. And he's an utter shitpile.

He's the one guy who you know not only will he have his pitcher throw at a guy's head, but he'll be first off the bench swinging if the kid charges the mound.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 23, 2007 1:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

once again, *Whiten
He was one of my favorite players, because I always like to root for talented underachievers/malcontents.  Interesting update; didn't know he was both an underachiever AND a malcontent, or just a straight-up asshole.

NW League the league you cover?

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I prefer Whitten...
..because Whiten makes me feel like SAM will come out of hiding and call me a racist again.

Whiten's an utter tool. He's the kind of guy that, when the Vancouver Canadians had a car dealership sponsor a between the innings promo, he actually kicked dirt at the prize car as it rolled by because it 'got in his way'.

Yeah, I'm an NWL guy. Here's hoping the much-anticipated end of the Arizona League comes so I can get an extra month of short season ball when it merges with the northern stuff.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 23, 2007 9:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

heh
skimmed over this one before...I thought the racist accusations were reserved for oaktoon
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2007 1:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

No no.
You don't remember when I refered to Bonds as a Roid Monkey?

It's a pretty common term in steroid circles, but of course those who are quick to judge decided I was a racist and had to be announced as such - every. time. I posted.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 24, 2007 10:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Stubborn much?
Calling an African-American man a monkey is racially insensitive.  That you persist in defending this language doesn't make you a racist...but it sure doesn't reflect well on you either.
"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 24, 2007 11:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Here we go again.
I wasn't calling him a 'monkey'.  I was calling him a 'roid monkey'. Like calling a Frenchman a 'surrender monkey' - the emphasis is on the 'surrender', not the 'monkey'.

But you know this, and don't care. Which, really, reflects more poorly on you than me, since you're the one who can't hear the word 'monkey' without thinking, "black man".

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 25, 2007 10:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i think you're both bigots
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 25, 2007 11:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

WTF?
My only thought on this subject (which I didn't initiate) is that, knowing that a term is historically offensive to a group, it's insensitive to keep using it, regardless of the intent of the speaker.  How holding that opinion makes me a bigot in your eyes is really baffling.  This makes twice now you've tarred me with this brush.  I had assumed the first was in jest, in the context of online debates and subsequent ballgame hang outs, but perhaps I should reconsider.
"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 25, 2007 12:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think you left
your sarcasm meter in Stomper's peanut bag.

by mikeA on Jan 25, 2007 12:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

that's it, you're going on the bigot list
as a south asian, terms that are used to describe elephants are historically offensive to my group.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 25, 2007 12:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I hope you don't eat 'Indian food'.
Or throw rice at weddings. Or hold spades when playing poker.

Monkeyball should really change his name. I mean, heck, doesn't he know it's a historically offensive term?

I do enjoy the irony of you finally understanding what it feels like for someone to insinuate something about you on the basis of nada, however.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 25, 2007 3:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

tuffy rhodes
funny you should mention him... I had him on my fantasy team that year (but not activated). So after the first week, he was leading the league in home runs, so I activated him. Big mistake.  

by vk on Jan 23, 2007 1:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

*Whiten
Call me crazy, but in terms of pure talent, tools, what have you, he was one of the better players I ever saw.  Raul Mondesi-type underachiever.  Similar players, actually...best OF arms this side of Vlad, too.  He put it all together in one amazing 4 home run, 12 RBI game for the Phils, both of which tied single-game records.

I remember seeing him in his short stint with the M's sitting in the CF bleachers at Fenway, playing LF with Griffey playing CF and Buhner in RF...with A-Rod at SS and Edgar at DH, that was a fun lineup to watch.  Whiten hit one out that day over the monster, Griffey did the same, and A-Rod hit one to dead center not far from where we were.  I don't even remember who won, but it was an entertaining game.

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I can see where one would confuse the spelling...
seeing as it's a short i sound (I'd spell it phonetically, but I'd probably fuck that up...I don't know about yours, but my keyboard lacks upside-down e's), one would think there'd be two t's in the name.  Like, I always thought "Weber" should be pronounced differently from "Webber", but they usually aren't...unless doing your best Deutsch pronunciations and referring to sociologist Max Vay-ber (Weber) or something.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

why go all the way back to 2005
just last september, saarloos struck out 11 indians (a very good hitting team) in just 5 innings.  based on that, i wouldn't even trade him for felix hernandez.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 1:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What if the PTBNL is Adam Dunn?
Would you be more agreeable to parting with Saarloos then?
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 23, 2007 1:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i'd be happy
with the PTBNL being Scutaro's clone for the outfield.

by oak1 on Jan 23, 2007 1:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

in that case i'd trade saarloos
because adam dunn can also strike out 11 times in 5 innings.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 23, 2007 1:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Shafer & Dunn
for

Saarloos and Perez?

VORS = Value Over Replacement Suckitude

by Billy Ball 2005 on Jan 23, 2007 1:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

depends on the heart rate
if it's Lance Armstrong's 37 beats per minute or whatever, that's too long of a wait.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

one thing Saarloos could do...
was own the Indians.  That fluke-of-all-fluke 12 K's in 5 innings game he had last year came against that very same potent lineup.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

two things
  1. Crisp excepted, Red Sox last year/this year...
  2. Maybe that track record against the Indians was a driving force for Krivsky (Reds' GM) to do this trade; the Tribe is the interleague rival of the Reds.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Jan 23, 2007 8:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

They don't call that park...
...the Great American Launchpad for nothing.  Hitters are going to light Saarloos up in Cinci even if he is a middle-of-the-rotation starter.
(Visiting Cubs fan)

by Loon from Left on Jan 23, 2007 4:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs