I just threw up, a little, in my mouth
Move over, people. Make some room on the "I hate the Erstad offer" bandwagon, 'cause I'm jumping on. Now, some people might claim that just because I live in Southern California and have to listen to Rex Hudler go on and on about the magical, wonderful, heart-y, gritty players that make up the team from the "Los Angeles" (despite being about twenty cities away from the actual city of Los Angeles, and fifty miles down the freeway), that I automatically dislike the idea of adding any part of the Angels' leftovers to our team. Of course this isn't true. If the Angels decided to give the A's their Vlad, well, welcome to the team, sir.
Others would say that the all of the media attention that Erstad received during the 2005 playoffs activated my pet peeve like only articles written about Erstad and Eckstein can. As you probably remember, Erstad was awfully clutch-y, and gritty during that time, and probably should have been MVP-for-life, despite the little things, like he's really not that good, and didn't he once get thrown out trying to get to third late in a playoff game with the Angels down three? Maybe I'm making that up.
Oh, who am I kidding? Both of the reasons above apply. I've been listening to baseball commentary long enough to be able to decipher what it means when analysts start talking about 'intangibles', 'heart', and 'grit'. That usually mean the player's stats are terrible, and there needs to be a reason to justify his presence on the field. In addition to that, I want no part of the Angels 'special' players. I have spent years rooting against the Angels. I don't want to root for anyone that I look at and see a giant red "A", despite what color uniform they are wearing. Unless it's Hester Prynne. She can be our new shortstop; I hear she plays the field better than Bobby Crosby.
<waits for laughter>
Wow, tough crowd.
So anyway, if you're looking for A's contracts approved by baseballgirl, I'm sorry to inform you that Scot Shields, John Lackey, Kelvim Escobar, Jered Weaver, Ervin Santana, Chone Figgins, Orlando Cabrera, Garret Anderson, David Eckstein, Juan Rivera, and especially Francisco Rodriguez are just going to have to look elsewhere. (But Vlad, call me!)
So is it just me? Or are there players (and even good ones) that you wouldn't want on the A's simply because of what team they used to be on? And in the current baseball climate, is it even possible to care anymore?
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I don't care
I, for one, would be happy to take Jared Weaver off the Angels' hands. Same with Santana. Same with Shields and Rodriguez.
The other guys are overpaid and not worth it, although the A's could use a shortstop for the right price.
by bear88 on Jan 14, 2007 12:52 AM PST 0 recs
You know...
by baseballgirl on
Jan 14, 2007 2:20 AM PST
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I have a few
- Bonds is just too obvious.
- Mark Teixeira, I hate that guy!
- Ichiro - Ditto!
- Kenny Rogers, we camera geeks need to stick together.
- Jeter, do I really need a reason?
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jan 14, 2007 1:27 AM PST 0 recs
Sooooo with you on Rogers...
by baseballgirl on
Jan 14, 2007 2:18 AM PST
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And what's with hating on Ichiro?
by Ozzz on
Jan 14, 2007 3:13 AM PST
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Agree Oz,
by TheBigO on
Jan 14, 2007 10:08 AM PST
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Ichiro is my favorite
by Nico on
Jan 14, 2007 10:14 AM PST
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Ichiro is a stud
by Morada Mudshark on
Jan 14, 2007 11:42 AM PST
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He drives me batty!!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on
Jan 14, 2007 12:48 PM PST
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His batting stance
by Shippee33 on
Jan 14, 2007 2:10 PM PST
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Ichiro can stand on one foot for all I care
by Rickeyfan on
Jan 14, 2007 2:27 PM PST
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I agree
by Shippee33 on
Jan 14, 2007 2:56 PM PST
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I never said he wasn't a good player
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on
Jan 14, 2007 3:28 PM PST
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Haha...
by OaktownPower on
Jan 14, 2007 7:06 PM PST
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No doubt.
I once saw him make a play where, with a fast runner on 1st and a slow runner at the plate, he tracked a short fly to shallow right, was about to make a diving catch, then stopped dead, took the ball on the bounce, and threw down the faster runner easily at 2nd, since he'd been standing just off 1st expecting the catch.
It was total samurai stuff - he was clearly thinking about what happens on the next at bat, while tracking the flyball on this one.
That's the sort of heads up play you never see except from a guy who thinks two plays ahead. HIRE ICHIRO!
by Ozzz on
Jan 15, 2007 1:44 AM PST
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almost perfect ...
What was really remarkable about that team was its pitching, which allowed the fewest runs in the league, with only the Angels, who had one of the worst offenses in the league, even remotely comperable.
Of course, back in '89, we were second in the league in attendance, behind only the Blue Jays and their brand new, revolutionary (and already thoroughly outdated) stadium.
It's funny how things change. The team with the highest payroll that year? That would be the Kansas City Royals. Second was the Yankees and then the Jays and the A's not far behind in a virtual tie for third.
by devo on
Jan 15, 2007 5:51 PM PST
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Ichiro?
by DCinWC on
Jan 15, 2007 12:23 PM PST
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Open Arms
Players are rarely the face of any one franchise these days and that really doesn't bother me.
by SkipT on Jan 14, 2007 3:54 AM PST 0 recs
Agreed
by yarky on
Jan 14, 2007 7:20 AM PST
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okay, i'll bite.
Kotsay: .291/.343/.424/.767
Erstad: .278/.330/.379/.709
The plain fact is that Erstad hasn't managed even a .750 OPS in seven years.
by MrIncognito on
Jan 14, 2007 7:43 PM PST
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But Kotsay was actually good in 2004. Since...
2004 Erstad -- .295/.346/.400 -- 95 OPS+
2006 Kotsay -- .275/.332/.386 -- 89 OPS+
2005 Erstad -- .273/.325/.371 -- 89 OPS+
2006 Erstad -- .221/.279/.326 -- 60 OPS+
2007 Kotsay -- ?????
So if Kotsay follows Erstad into the abyss in 2007, and Erstad bounces back to 2004-5 levels the A's will have a CF about as good as Kotsay over the past two years. Wait...this sucks.
by WaddellCanseco on
Jan 15, 2007 5:59 AM PST
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So, looking at those numbers...
The only good I can see coming from the Erstad deal is if some team panics around the deadline, realizes they need True Grit, and trades valuable prospects to win Erstad free of the A's ... minor league system.
by Loon from Left on
Jan 15, 2007 3:26 PM PST
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not gritty but classy
by Mulderfan on Jan 14, 2007 6:41 AM PST 0 recs
And he can...
Go Figgy!
</HudlerBot>
by GreenNGoldSooner on
Jan 14, 2007 2:16 PM PST
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I have rejoiced in the past couple of years
So, the possibility that he might be on the A's does not thrill me at all.
by OaklandSi on Jan 14, 2007 8:41 AM PST 0 recs
Rincon
by DCinWC on
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I'd take about anyone but Bonds.
by jeepers on Jan 14, 2007 8:46 AM PST 0 recs
agree for the most part....
by AthleticsFanatic4ever on Jan 14, 2007 9:12 AM PST 0 recs
disagree
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Jan 14, 2007 5:57 PM PST
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whats the worst that could happen?
Despite all of the hyperbole thrown towards Erstad's grit, he's a guy I'd want on my team, just like Kotsay. Just like Milton. We just aren't sick and tired of hearing about Kotsay or Milton's grit or whatever adjective the media throws at them and wears out. For some reason (I think it's the wad of chew in the bottom lip) Erstad gets noticed for his effort more than others (oh, that plus Rex Hudler rents space on the Goodyear blimp to advertise "Erstad Grit".)
If someone helps the A's win, I don't really care where they came from. Yes, it would be hard to root for Bonds, but if he and Swish came up with a little home run dance, you'd start rooting for him too. (File footage not found.) Would I take Jeter? Hell yeah. Giambi? Absolutely. Bitchy KRod? Done and done!
That being said, i think a great deal of my baseball enjoyment comes from watching new players develop. So the only caveat I'd have is that I'd hate to see the young kids get blocked by a below league average vet. So I'd prefer to see DJ get a shot, but if DJ doesn't look good in ST, and Erstad/Durazo are looking good, you have to go with the producers if yer the A's.
Beane is simply loading up the roster, and if everyone produces, then he can make a nice trade. Doesn't seem like too much to throw up over. Save that for this year's "slow start".
by giambizombie on Jan 14, 2007 9:14 AM PST 0 recs
Not Jeff Kent
the Hester line was indeed very funny, except that for most of us who don't remember high school English it took clicking the link to get the joke.
by vk on Jan 14, 2007 9:17 AM PST 0 recs
Okay, I laughed too
Maybe I'm one of the the only ones, but I did laugh. :)
by mickelsp on
Jan 14, 2007 9:57 AM PST
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Yes, very good job baseballgirl
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baseballgirl
I'd take Lackey, K-Rod, Santana, Weaver, Kendrick and Figgins in a heart beat. (Sure, I'd probably end up trading K-Rod right away but I wouldn't be troubled by his being on the roster for a couple days.) And Vlad, but he doesn't seem to be an issue.
Maybe this was meant to be written tongue-in-cheek bbg, but if it was it doesn't show through the venom. Any of those guys would make the A's better. If you can't see that than you might be hating a little too much for your own good.
by grover on Jan 14, 2007 9:52 AM PST 0 recs
Yes, of course...
by baseballgirl on
Jan 14, 2007 10:21 AM PST
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"little a"
by Amnesiac727 on
Jan 14, 2007 10:26 AM PST
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Manny Ramirez
by CrackBaby on Jan 14, 2007 9:59 AM PST 0 recs
The Hester Prynne line
It would be interesting to see Teixeira, Ichiro, and Jeter magically added to the A's roster and then see how much people continued hating them and wishing they weren't on the team. Can you imagine? <still detests Jeter, claims not to want him on the A's no matter what, means it. I think>
by Nico on Jan 14, 2007 10:08 AM PST 0 recs
Too bad we don't do the QOTM anymore
by grover on
Jan 14, 2007 10:19 AM PST
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Erzatz
The major turn-off for me on these forums is the I Hate XXX crowd - Byrnes, Kielty, et al.
This is not "professional" wrestling. The guys on opposing teams don't wear El Diablo masks and taunt the crowd. It's Baseball, for gawd sake.
If a player is added from Angels or whichever, who cares - as long as makes the A's better?
Grit? Not sure about that one, but it's the opposite of Chavez. What's wrong with players who go all out for the team? Don't get that, either.
I for one still believe baseball is special. Other pro sports seem so trite, but the sacred geometry of Baseball? Rocks.
We can respect other players, enjoy Ichiro and Bonds for their talents, and root root root for home team.
The Dude abides
by MrIncognito on Jan 14, 2007 10:49 AM PST 0 recs
Yeah, that pretty much sums up
by Nico on
Jan 14, 2007 10:58 AM PST
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Community Stnadards
Does this mean I'm not invited to the cicle jerk?
You take yourself way too seriously.
by MrIncognito on
Jan 14, 2007 7:14 PM PST
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Wow...
He was kidding.....cmon.
by OaktownPower on
Jan 14, 2007 7:16 PM PST
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MrIncognito, you CAN'T
by Nico on
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Reztips.....
by Shippee33 on
Jan 14, 2007 8:30 PM PST
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Flashback moment
by grover on
Jan 14, 2007 10:09 PM PST
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Ha!!
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The dude abides
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At risk of actually taking you seriously
"The opposite of Chavez" doesn't mean much to me: Gritty players don't play through injury like Chavy did last year? They don't dive for balls the way he does (or at least don't actually catch the ones they dive for)? They don't tend to turn on the afterburners as the playoff races heat up late in the season? I thought that people who used "grit" in a non-sarcastic context thought it was a good thing.
As for "players who go all out for their team," no one here dislikes that; most of us are just aware that virtually every major league player does it. Believe it or not, even Manny Ramirez really, really wants his team to win. I guess that's one good thing about Erstad though: Where the Big Hurt last year went all-out for his team by conserving his health enough to carry the A's deep into October, Erstad may go all-out for his team by risking injury at every turn, the sooner to remove the black hole of his at-bats from whatever line-up he's in.
by Loon from Left on
Jan 15, 2007 4:14 PM PST
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It isn't easy being green
It may not be just you, bbg, but it certainly isn't me. Who cares what team a guy FORMERLY plays for? If he's wearing green and gold he's our guy. It's like Billy Beane says, "Route for the uniform."
"As you probably remember, Erstad was awfully clutch-y, and gritty during that time, and probably should have been MVP-for-life, despite the little things, like he's really not that good, and didn't he once get thrown out trying to get to third late in a playoff game with the Angels down three? Maybe I'm making that up."
Okay, now we're talking about some reasons to dislike the A's signing Erstad. If the guy can't play, why sign him? Checking his stats at Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/e/erstada01.shtml), it appears that Erstad peaked in 2000. That was seven seasons ago. Is this guy really 32? I would have guessed that he was at least five years older based on his career stats.
Thinking back on something else that Billy Beane said, basically, that there has to be something wrong with a guy for the A's to sign him, e.g., Frank Thomas coming off two down years because of injury, perhaps Erstad is the best the A's can do given their financial limitations.
Let's face it, the A's will never have the ability to sign players that the Yankees and Red Sox do. Heck, we can't even RE-sign players that WANT to stay here...badly. (Remember Miggy?) It's sad, but that's partlty what makes the present-day A's such a fun team to route for. Somehow they're able to compete for the post-season nearly every year despite the cards being stacked against them. As we know, it's largely attributible to a few factors:
- Good management at the top of the organization
- Excellent scouting
- Excellent player development throughout the system
- Probably a bit of luck
by Catfish27 on Jan 14, 2007 11:06 AM PST 0 recs
I'm totally down with...
Erstad sucks. Stats don't lie.
No amount of grittiness, veteranitude, intangibility, Huskerpuntaliciousness, or Rex Hudler rimming will make up for that fact.
A waste of money and bench space.
by GreenNGoldSooner on
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Lou Merloni
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 14, 2007 11:38 AM PST 0 recs
Yeah, true....but...
[can't finish sentance]
by Masaryk on
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You mean like Lucifer was an ex-Angel?
by grover on
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Classic.
by alox on
Jan 15, 2007 12:32 PM PST
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And who cast out Lucifer?
(as in Scioscia)
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To dislike a player
by Shippee33 on Jan 14, 2007 2:19 PM PST 0 recs
top 3
- Bonds
- F-Rod
- Jeter
by Rickeyfan on Jan 14, 2007 2:34 PM PST 0 recs
Joe Buck doesn't understand fractions??!!
I was completely floored by Joe Buck on the Seattle-Chicago Bears football game broadcast. He was commenting on the cleat size, saying Seattle's RB was wear 3/8ths-ich cleats, while most were wearing half-inch cleats, but then something about 5/8ths-inch cleats.
...then the "knockdown". Joe Buck didn't know WHICH WAS BIGGER! 3/8ths inches long or 5/8ths inches long!! Could it be true, this guy DOESN'T EVEN KNOW FRACTIONS??!!! He asked fellow announcer, Troy Aikman to explain which was larger!!
Now that's worse than a "talking head"! Gawdahhhfull!
by One won lost won on Jan 14, 2007 2:35 PM PST 0 recs
Joe Buck
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omiGAWD!!!
-Cindi.
by Nico on
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Dude, I really hope you are kidding.
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Joe Buck is terrible
Then you listen to buck and McCarver and its pretty dull. I feel bad for you if your a Cowboys fan because you have that guy for good. I do listen to the radio during the WS, and I like it much more.
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Vin Scully is the best
Vin Scully has been great for 50-plus years. I'll never forget one of his calls for the Dodgers when they were playing the powerful Milwaukee Braves:
"...and so now, there's two men on, nooo-body out, and here comes baaaad Henry!" < refering to Henry "Hank" Aaron.
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JB
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Dummied Down? Already done times a thousands!
winners- "The guys stepped up"
losers- "We needed someone to step up and no one did
"
Present:
why team A won: made plays, make a play
why team B lost: didn't make a play when they needed it.
Every game now, the explanation for winning and or losing is always, 100%, defined in some way, as
"make a play"
How perfectly dumbed down is that? It cannot get any more "dummed down".
by One won lost won on
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Eh, it could be all right.
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