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Weird Times at HH High

Confessions of an HH spy.

Star-divide

This is the story of an A's fan who decided to go undercover as an Angels fan at Halo Heaven in order to understand the psychology of our much maligned neighbors in red. The whole idea started as a protest against the Rev's custom of banning A's fans who dared to swell the meager roles of HH hits, myself included. If Todd or Joel - or whatever his real name is - could step in like a self-ordained Fullerton Mussolini (insert name of your favorite dictator, domestic or otherwise) and erase all statements that he didn't agree with, then the rules of the blogosphere could be thrown out the window. I decided that I would devote the rest of my life to creating a false login identity so devious and so carefully crafted that not even the world's greatest trollhound could tell me from yeswecan or cupie. But then something strange happened: I realized that Angels fans are real people, just like us, and deserve our respect.

Naaahhh!! Who am I kidding?

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let me start from the beginning. I first visited that very red site after having spent a lot of time here at AN, and having checked into Lookout Landing from time to time. While of course we all agree that we are funny, intelligent, and often happily strange and disturbing people who all happen to be rooting for the correct team, it turns out that the M's fans at LL are at least as funny and intelligent as we - they just root for the wrong team. Surfing over to HH is a different thing altogether: my first impression was that the site was being run by a descendant of Jim Jones, someone who serves his congregation a very saccharine cherry koolaid that has been mostly drained of the good feeling you get from AN or LL. Statistics be damned, the site seems to say, we (the Angels) have an enormous payroll and we aren't afraid to practice simian video terrorism (SVT) when we want to start a rally. Oh, yeah: and our huge payroll entitles us to expect all kinds of unreasonable things from our players. (And have I mentioned how red the site is?)

There were a few ANers intelligently disagreeing with things that were said on the site. Then I noticed that a certain BleacherDave (of AN fame) was banned for engaging in outlandishly trollish dialogue such as this:

BleacherDave: Hi, mom!
angelsrallymom: Hi, son!
BleacherDave: What's for dinner, mom?
angelsrallymom: Meatloaf and mashed potatos!
BleacherDave: Sounds great! See you after the game!
Disturbed by BD's sudden disappearance, I was compelled to try my hand on the site. I first posted on HH with fairly accurate predictions about the Yankers win over the Angels from a short while back; I predicted the Angels would score 4 runs off of 9 hits, and the Yankers would score 12 runs off of 18 hits. The only one on the site who appreciated my accuracy was a poster named BleacherDavid, whose very cleverly modified login didn't trick me (or the Rev, as it turned out). I underestimated the Angels offense by a few runs and hits, but I only overestimated the Yankers' totals by 1 in each category. I logged in under that name I use here, and other than my relatively accurate prediction, I made one other comment: that the Yankers would like what the Colonel (Saunders) was serving up. Again, quite accurate (despite the tone of bitter glee): they gorged themselves on his original recipe meatballs and his extra crispy rookie arm that day.

Like an amateur, I bragged about my accuracy on AN, and well, you can guess the consequence: LAXile had been banned from the hallowed halls of halo heaven. Whoopdy-shit, you might be tempted to say. In any case, my new login would be even less ambiguous: I became ilovethelosangelesangelesangels, again announcing the fact on AN.This persona was too over-the-top, as I tried to kill them with scarcely masked sarcasm. I said things like: "I'm not gonna let a grumpy grumpmeister ruin this halo smile! No, sir!" This time all my previous comments were erased and I was unable to post new ones.

That was when it hit me: I would play it straight; I would use terms like "Choakland" and befriend the fine people of the OC in order to get inside their heads. I crafted the login name rodcarew4ever, which wasn't that hard to do, as I really used to love watching Rod play for the Angels back in the day. I made one slip by predicting the Angels would lose that day's game, a mistake which provoked one HHer to call me a troll, and prompted the Rev to interrogate me. "How long have you been an Angels' fan?" he asked. The trap was set; the bait was taken; the game was afoot. But there was a problem: I couldn't physically stomach pretending to not love the A's. I felt both the pure bliss of having penetrated the red curtain, but also the uncleanliness that comes from even feigning to root for the wrong team.

So this is my confession. I know many of you will think what I did was wrong. It's possible that the Rev will cite this diary and go on a rant about what idiots A's fans are. I accept all of the blame for this. To be honest, I don't appreciate trolls either, and I do appreciate the fact that there are no Angels fans trolling about AN (or very few). But I felt that the Rev's totalitarian attitude was a bit much. His facist attitude contrasts so starkly with Blez's Marcus Aureliusian approach: measured, just, and rational.

Being myself a Bay Area transplant to the South, I came equipped with the standard anti-LA (and OC) attitudes that many of us from Northern California have. Some of them were proven wrong, while others were confirmed. I know some good people who are Angels fans. I know some idiots who are A's fans. I also know that HH has fewer posters than AN, and thus represents a smaller sample size of Angels fans than this site does for A's fans. In other words, what we sometimes perceive to be the stupidity or anti-stat, anti-fun, anti-intelligent feeling on HH (and among Angels fans in general) is in large part a product of intangibles, including, most obviously, our own position as A's fans. Nor do I buy the argument that to even mention HH or the Rev is to fall into his trap: to provoke ANers to visit HH. It's sometimes interesting and useful and just plain fun to see what those freaks in red are doing over there. The only hits I care about are those had by our boys in green and gold.

So in the spirit of a spirited rivalry, I offer this bit of "Intentionally Unaltered Movie Dialogue":

Rev: Did you gamble?
LAXile: Yeah.
Rev: Did you win?
Laxile: Yeah.
Rev: What did you win?
LAXile: Me.

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thanks
for doing this! I guarantee people such as, actually 90% of people on this site will hate you, but I got your back mayne, don't worry! haha
"The are only two places in this league. First place and no place." -Tom Seaver

by greekpride08 @ Athletics Nation on Sep 7, 2006 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Please return my back ASAP.
God Bless!
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow what a waste of time
i just think we should leave the good (or bad) Rev alone and let him run his crappy site any he wants it. If people on HH or AN for that matter don't like it then they shouldn't be on it.

Luckily Blez runs this site and we really don;t have to worry about all that stuff.

"Trust me there are No Angels on our team" - Ken Macha

by BashBrothers89 on Sep 7, 2006 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Hell yes, it was a waste of time.
But I learned something in the process: <cue South Park music that accompanies the semi-sincere 'moral' at the end of each episode> I learned that everyone is different, and just because we're different doesn't mean that we should pretend to be fake fans of a fake team in order to try to figure out how the enemy thinks, wasting a lot of time in the process.
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

A waste of time?
I sense a bit a irony in that statement.  Isn't your post a waste of time?  Isn't my post a wast of time?  Isn't this whole website a waste of time?  Isn't baseball really just a waste of time?
That's the beauty of all of these things - to enjoy pastimes with a bit of distraction.
Spying on HH is fun and a good way not to work. I like it, too.

by humdinger on Sep 8, 2006 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

fess up, LAXile ...
... You're really Lee Siegel, aren't you?
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 7, 2006 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

cart/horse doesn't really work but
AN/HH or HH/AN
"A's Brand Baseball: The worst best baseball you've ever seen!" -Chavvy

by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 7, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm actually the ghost of George Plimpton
genetically re-engineered to look like Ashton Kutcher and think like Upton Sinclair.
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try exposing yourself to some Milton Friedman
that is if you really like experiencing the "enemy".  You may actually discover something about your inner liberalism.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 7, 2006 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I exposed myself
to Milton Friedman, and he took a laissez faire attitude.  It was quite deflating.

by mikeA on Sep 7, 2006 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

GIVE THAT MAN A SPANKING DVD!!!
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 8, 2006 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting that you mention Milton Friedman
because I've been reading him and thinking a lot about his theories. For example, it is interesting to note Friedman's anti-regulation and anti-governemnt ideas and realize that, ultimately, the Corporation, as a legal entity, cannot do any good for society unless it is profitable. In other words, Friedman is another PR hack for corporate interests, and has no understanding whatsoever of the "public interest" apart from some hocus-pocus trick -- borrowed from Adam Smith -- about the "invisible hand" of free markets. And please, for the love of all that is sacred, do not misuse the word "liberal" -- Friedman is the embodiment of (neo-)liberalism (as distinct from the nearly meaningless term "liberal" so easily bandied about these days by "critical thinkers" like yourself). We can agree on one thing, however, and let's focus on that: Let's go, A's!
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're totally right
i said the same thing once, when i was a 16 year old anarchist punker.
when will those right wing corporate cronies stop handing out nobel prizes to every university of chicago economist with a pulse like they're welfare checks.  
corporations have never done anything for anybody.  
now if you'll excuse me, i have to get back to work building my flinstones car out of wood and rocks...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 7, 2006 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would have said
swedish corporate cronies, but after my comments in the last few diaries by swede, that might qualify as a hate crime.
and i agree, go a's.  wait... they're not a corporation, right?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 7, 2006 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Nobel prizes are
based in Oslo.  

But as far as I'm concerned, Sweden/Norway is like tomayto/tomawto. (;

by mikeA on Sep 7, 2006 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only the Peace Prize is awarded in Oslo.
Swedish royalty gives out the other prizes - chemistry, physiology/medicine, economics, physics, etc. - in Stockholm.  Then again, if you'll allow me to be snobby for a moment, most people don't realize that the Nobel peace prize is just about the least important award of the Nobel awards.  In any case, the Peace Prize ceased to have meaning to me when one was awarded to Yasser Arafat.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 7, 2006 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh
my ignorance shines through once again.  I agree whole-heartedly that the Peace Prize is by far the most worthless.  May this snafu not detract from any value my "all Scandinavians are the same" joke may have had.

by mikeA on Sep 7, 2006 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...
Consider me part of Team Stockholm!

by mikeA on Sep 7, 2006 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

in the spirit of all this
we need a link or photo of scadanavian eye candy....as i got piqued by the late spring training thread.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005...and in 2006 don't make me sick.

by ak_A on Sep 7, 2006 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey there
Kissinger got one way earlier.
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Sep 7, 2006 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about kim dae jung
good thing there is finally "peace and reconcilliation with north korea" and we can go ahead and cross that off the list of global problems...

it might be easier to go the other way, and list deserving winners.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 7, 2006 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh heh
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005...and in 2006 don't make me sick.

by ak_A on Sep 7, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was actually making a very specific historical
point about how corporations have been gaining legal rights on actual people (like you and me), who have less and less of a chance to influence what they do and how they do it. Of course corporations do and have done great things; there's no question about that. But they have also done an incredible amount of harm (to the water you drink and the air you breathe for starters). I think that perhaps you are conflating scientific and technological progress with the specific legal entity known as the corporation.And please forgive me, AN, for spouting on and on: as this diary shows, it is what I do when provoked (and drinking). Otherwise, I'm happy cheering for the A's.
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're correct that I tried to provoke you
But don't you think that your (insert name of your favorite dictator, domestic or otherwise) and your emphasis on the color red was equally provocative?

As to Friedman and his sticking up for corporate interests, he doesn't...at least not directly.  In fact he rails against corporations that try and rig the "rules of the game" [let's be clear, he's not a big fan of every rule in "the game" either] by currying favor from lawmakers just as any other special (self) interest groups do.  No, Friedman's point about free markets is that in order to be free, people must have property rights...and when they have property rights they are free to exchange their property with others in exchange for the property of their trading partner - even if that partner is a corporation.  And if they decide to engage in this exchange they'll come to an agreement on the terms of the exchange, free of coercion, and the parties will each value what they are about to gain.  Is their some portion of that philosophy of Friedman's that is particularly offensive more so than say "domestic dictators"?  Or maybe it's Friedman's principled stance on freedom that you find so odious.  

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sacred?
And please, for the love of all that is sacred, do not misuse the word "liberal" -- Friedman is the embodiment of (neo-) liberalism (as distinct from the nearly meaningless term "liberal" so easily bandied about these days by "critical thinkers" like yourself).

I don't believe that I am the one who is misusing it and nor do I profess to be a "critical thinker", whatever the heck that phrase is supposed to mean be the academicians who over use it.  At one point in history, self-described "Liberals" used to fight against authoritarians whether they were from the right or left sides of the spectrum.  Today the term has become muddied and unrecognizable.  So much for sacred

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I appreciate the brief excursus on
Friedmans's neoliberalist policies. Interesting stuff. Concerning my focus on the site's redness, I was truly just thinking aesthetically, not politically, and perhaps trying to hint that the Rev is the devil (devils are red, not angels, right?). As for domestic dictators, I intentionally left that open to interpretation, so that you could indeed insert your own name in said space (Clinton, Grey Davis, Jerry Brown, Gavin, etc -- all those names would be available to people who don't like their politics). And you yourself did indeed suggest to me in an earlier post that your ideas were a result of critical thinking. As for "saccred," I simply mean things like children, who are more and more the targets of extreme forms of advertising; the oceans, which are fast becoming depleted and toxic; and clean air. All of those things are sacred to me and have been increasingly assailed by corporate interests. Law scholar's book "The Corporation" makes many of these same points, even using Friedman to help him. That's the very last word from me on this; you can gladly have the last word now if you want it. Let's Go, A's!
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Legal scholar Joel Bakan's book
"The Corporation" (oops)
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last word!? Cool, I'll get me some.
  • I do not believe that any of those politicians that you mention are dictators, for they garnered the most votes (electoral processes excluded) in a free and fair election by the people: that cannot be dictatorship.  Now, if you had used the term "central planner", I could find pols of both stripes to place on the example list.  And that list could grow quite long.
  • I wasn't the first in our discussion break out the "critical thinking" phrasology from today's euphamistic and ideological lexicon; assuming that's what affect you were going for.  I did, however, use it (and I believe properly) as two ordinary words used together in a sentence that gave meaning to a thought process that had anayzed information before forming an opinion.
  • I agree with you regarding environmental degradation but I have also read where markets -- and conferring as many private property rights as possible to air and water resources -- have reduced degradation.  Extolling markets is not the same as condoning corporate abuses to the environment or condoning questionable marketing practices to people (children) that are not rational/educated enough to participate in trade.  Fortunately, many children are not in positions to trade, because they typically have nothing of pecuniary value to offer in the market place.  That does not stop children from pestering their parents, though, for stuff that they have seen on television or in other advertisements.  My kids have to give me something of value (completion of chores that I'd have to do if not for them) before I give them cash -- and I pay them a flat fee per the job.  If they want stuff that they've seen, they're buying it.  And you know what, typically they wont do the chores at the price I'm offering -- I want to raise the rates in order to get them to do more but their mom argues that what we're offering is a fair wage; and she's supposedly, at least in her eyes, the more compassionate one.  No matter, after hearing the words "If you want it, then do some work and purchase it yourself", my children have not been coerced by the marketing schemes of evil corporate bullies any longer because they now know what needs to be done in order to get the maliciously peddled trinkets....well, maybe it does happen every once in a blue moon when a birthday or Christmas is coming around.
Say, is this really going to be the last word?  Because I'm guessing that after slogging your way through my crappola, you really want to jump back in it.  Am I correct (use of "correct" because you already think that I am "right")?
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Todd's lame
I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Sep 7, 2006 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Good job!
Nothing is more fun than a good trolling.  

Years ago on a car-related website, I created a troll that had the entire internet Ford Probe enthusiast community (yes, there amazingly was one!) angered.  Very satisfying.

by chri5 on Sep 7, 2006 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

"Ford Probe enthusiast community"
Wow.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 7, 2006 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Hummer Afficionado Association"
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

(waits on edge of seat to hear Rev's response)
what do you get when you cross a troll with a panther, anyway?  
1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Sep 7, 2006 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

bloody shreds of troll costume?
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 7, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

bwahaha!
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 7, 2006 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it's a troll shaman,
then you get a lightning bolt, followed by a frost shock, and then it's a stabbing death after that.

by hunter on Sep 7, 2006 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

THANKS FOR THE LINKS!
PLEASE CLICK THRU EVERYONE - all of my advertising revenue is based the HIGH NUMBER OF VISITS that my site gets - troll too - that creates more PAGE VIEWS - advertisers LOVE your DEEP PENETRATION of my site.

I took missus Halofan to Vegas for three days and lived it up all paid for SOLELEY on money from Halos Heaven ad revenue - which is growing - and a good portion of the site's traffic is based on SO MANY VISITS from A.N. links and Oaklnd fans trolling.

Missus Halofan wants a SUITE on the Vegas Strip for New Year's eve - I will certainly need the cooperation of Athletics Nation.

Come visit Halos Heaven often and keep her happy!

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Any truth to this rumor?
RevHalofan is a sockpuppet of Blez, just to drive up traffic and ad revenue?

If so, I wish you and 'ms halo' the best!

by MobiusKlein on Sep 7, 2006 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that, too. Cool if true.
I retract my retraction (see below).
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have thought so
but I met him earlier this year in Anaheim

by easyraider on Sep 8, 2006 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

you sure
that that spike doesn't have anything to do with the fact that, hmmmm, baseball season starts at the same time that the increase started in April?
--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 7, 2006 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

What website gets paid for just hits?
That technology changed about 6 years ago.

Websites now get paid for clickthroughs to the advertisers on the sites.

.

by Athletics Central on Sep 8, 2006 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the personal invite, Rev...
I'll continue to take you up on the offer.

Happy New Year to you and the missus.  Don't forget to raise your glass to AN!

Y'all come back now, ya hear?

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why wait until New Year's Eve?
You'll have plenty of down time starting October 2nd.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 7, 2006 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

boycott HH
and the Rev will be here begging for deep penetration.
www.myspace.com/roneal

by signmebilly on Sep 7, 2006 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Halos Heaven
The equivalent of that little "click here to remove yourself from our email list" note at the bottom of the "do you want a larger erection???!!!!" spam everyone gets.

Uhh, everyone does get that spam, right?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 7, 2006 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, why do you ask?
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005...and in 2006 don't make me sick.

by ak_A on Sep 7, 2006 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

TROLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 7, 2006 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

TROOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!
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"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

trivia note
That's the "park" by SF City Hall in the background.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 8, 2006 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Again, Rev plays the 'yay for hits' lie.
For if he truly wanted our hits, he wouldn't ban all ANers who set foot there.

"Huzzah! I got 50 hits today! I'm gonna be loooooaded!"

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't ban them anymore
I change their usernames to more embarrassing monickers and it upsets them ... so they post MORE.

Then I erase their commnents but don't ban them so they post MORE.

The numebrs DO go up this way. Then they get mad and write a diary entry about it with LINKS and the numbers go up more.

I learned a lot from watching FREE TO CHOOSE the Milton Friedman capitalist propaganda PBS series in the late 1970s.

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

REV,
So why am I the only person you continue to ban?

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of your 24 aliases
at least one of them is not banned.

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which one?
And why are 23 of them banned since you don't ban?

FREE BLEACHERDAVE!

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blez?
Did you read that? He admits he changes people's user names. How is that ethical? Is there no standard for good conduct as a blogmaster?  

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how ironic:
On AN, the Rev can't even delete his own comment. :-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL he is the best witness...against
himself.

Seriously is there no grievance procedure that someone like Dave could pursue? The username he made for Dave was pretty vile.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although, technically
you could, couldn't you?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have anythign to hide or delete
When I posted that troll's ISP # last year I made a big public deal out of it and then got the wristslap and was happy to follow policy. And if playing a troll's own game against him is against company policy, I am only happy to comply.

by RevHalofan on Sep 8, 2006 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Simply breathtaking.
If Blez, and the SB Nation boffins, honestly don't think behavior like that is worthy of being tossed from the organization, then I'm baffled.

Surely there must be a standard in place to govern such behavior, which is, as far as I know, not considered acceptable in any corner of the blogosphere - other than HH.

What next? Olsen Twins porn? That'll REALLY see the hits rise, huh Rev?

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know this is off topic
But Rev, I have to know.  How did you get your hair soooooo yellow?  And why not red?

by humdinger on Sep 8, 2006 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

troll money
You're such a fraud Rev. If you make so much money on trolls why do you ban them so quickly from your site?

by Larry E on Sep 8, 2006 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK -- I take back what I said about HH and the Rev
he's a jackass!
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

x
Christ, what an asshole.
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 7, 2006 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
Now I have to start a file for impending running jokes...

"Tiny Dancer" - check.
"Christ, what an asshole" - check.

;)

"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 7, 2006 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game thread a few days back
Someone posted a picture of Elton John in a Dodgers jersey.  The theme quickly turned to EJ songs...and Swish became Tiny Dancer.

by easyraider on Sep 8, 2006 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never would have guessed that
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rev and HH is an embarassment
to the SB Nation. Angels fans and SB Nation in general would be better off if mattwelch and his Angels/Dodgers blog was part of the fold. Check it out if you're interested in intelligent Angels discussion.

http://6-4-2.blogspot.com/

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoa there!
6-4-2 is an awesome blog, but it ain't no Matt Welch writing there.  That's Rob McMillan aka scareduck.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 7, 2006 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pony up!
I thought mattwelch was the HH name for one of the guys over at 6-4-2. But lately I've barely had enough time to follow AN, much less any other sports blog, so I could be jumbling some details. My apologies for any confusion.

Two things I know for sure.

  1. Mattwelch is one of the best posters over at HH and would be (in my opinion) a much better choice than the Rev to run an Angels centric blog for SB Nation.
  2. 6-4-2 is a much better blog than HH.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truly, madly, deeply correct.
In fact, I think you could hand the HH keys to any of Rev's users and the blog would be better for it. He just doesn't understand that spirited debate helps a site grow, while gormless homerism gets boring fast.

I honestly wish Blez would take a firmer hand with him, as the way he runs things is kind of a disgrace to SB Nation, and it kind of spoils what could be a fun rivalry.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen, HollywoodOz--
"I honestly wish Blez would take a firmer hand with him, as the way he runs things is kind of a disgrace to SB Nation" takes the words right outta my mouth.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't tell any of our guys
what to write or not to write.  They're on their own in that regard.  We recruited people based on what we thought would appeal to that team's fanbase.  It turns out that the Rev is what appeals to Angels fans considering HH is one of the bigger baseball blogs.

We aren't a corporate entity like ESPN so our guys have their freedom to a point (no slander or libel or any of that stuff).  Rev knows Angel fans apparently, and I've said this many times, 99 percent of what you see over there is an act with him...a good act because people keep coming back to read more.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 99% isn't the problem
Rev can foam at the mouth as much as he wants if that's what attracts his audience.

It's the altering or deleting of posts on a whim, the banning of posters simply because he wants to, that makes HH and Rev an embarassment. It's the 1% that isn't part of his act that's truly disgraceful.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that he doesn't always run
the site the same way that I do, but he's free to use his judgment in how to apply it.  Of course when he does things that are illegal like posting someone's IP, we've stepped in.  

In some ways, his foaming at the mouth has attracted some trolls who want to poke him with a stick, but he's set that precedent by writing the stuff he does.  Then again, writing the stuff he does has attracted a fairly large Angel audience.  I'm really suggest that A's fans just stay away.  It may be fun to poke a wild dog, but you're a bigger person if you stay away.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wild Dog?
Blez, that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me on this site. Thanks!

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit
Where's Atticus Finch when you need him?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM!
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glad someone caught the line
One of my better efforts (if I do say so myself) and I was afraid that it was going to get buried. :)
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

heh
I didn't get it...I read TKAM a while ago
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 8, 2006 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to admit
It was more subtle than I usually do.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huge fan...
of To Kill a Mockingbird
Like Lazarus, the A's offense has awakened from the dead!!- Bill King

by Floridafan on Sep 8, 2006 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care about the foam!
I've been to HH 2-3 times since the season began because I find the content lacking. I don't care about that stuff.

Now, altering posts and banning on a whim may not be illegal but it is wrong. It shows a lack of class and professionalism, and since he's being paid via advertsing dollars some sense of professionalism should be expected. Put another way, Rev treats a lot of his customers like shit. Are you OK with that?

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they're his customers
...I think it's a lot of people wanting to cause trouble.  At least that's what I've been told.

I certainly don't think he's been banning people he disagrees with.  JLaff, for instance, continues to post over there on occasion amicably.  sal918 also.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read his own words
"I change their usernames to more embarrassing monickers and it upsets them ... so they post MORE.

Then I erase their commnents but don't ban them so they post MORE."

He's gloating on this very thread about how he abuses his power as blogmaster. I don't know who you're listening to, but they aren't telling you the whole truth. I'm sure that some of the people Rev has tossed would qualify as trolls, but a lot of folks from AN have gone over to HH with good intentions and ended up banned.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like me.
Three times. Never swore, never abused, just said things he didn't want to hear, in response to things he said that were plainly, patently, provably wrong.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think in your case
I looked up your user name and saw that the isp was connected to a former user account that I had erased previously, hence the ban regardless of the quality of your second alias' posts - I guess the dilemma here is ... "Can a troll be rehabilitated into society?" or perhaps, how can I trust a former troll whose new alias starts off as a pleasant, intelligenet exchange... What if they go Trollbonkers (and thus being able to successfully troll twice) after a little while? Why is the burden of taking that risk on me?

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem
is that you call anyone who disagrees with you and debates intelligently a troll. You don't use common sense in your decisions  and have little sense of fair play in your choice to ban. If you banned only those who were trolls(those there  only to cause upset like Greekpride) I don't think many would complain about the way you direct your site.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most Angel fans disagree with me
I don't ban any of them.

I agree that I don't have any common sense, you sound just like my mom...

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ack! Your mom?
You're not my son and I wouldn't be very proud if you were! Hehe

Seriously If you don't ban Angel fan posters for disagreeing with you then have the common decency to extend the same courtesy to  All posters regardless of the team that they root for. Why not allow open discussions? What are you so afraid of? I find you an intelligent man and well able to hold your own in a debate. That's why your shoddy behavior is so perplexing.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 8, 2006 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Open discussions?
Name the last time an Angels fan came to AN and convinced anyone to start rooting for the team in red.

It is one thing to have the banter of an informed opinion, but the negatives almost always outweigh the positives.

I spend too much time debating Angel fans about the minutia of the club, to add the layer of other team's fans chirping in at will - often attempting clever sabotage - no thanks.

by RevHalofan on Sep 8, 2006 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Noone attempts to persuade
your fans to root for the A's. But there are many topics worthy of mutual discussion.  The Negatives outweigh the positives? That answer is more evasive than accurate. I am heading to bed. I think that you may be too hard-headed to consider the validity of the complaints made today. That's on you...not us. We took the time to let you (and Blez) know how we feel. If neither of you will listen and act on the complaints then it was still right to air the grievances IMO.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 8, 2006 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why the burden is yours:
Because you get paid to run a blog that, supposedly, is a place for people to talk about baseball.

If I'm calling you a piece of sh_t son of a c__t, by all means, ban away. But I never have - not one time.

What I HAVE done is refute your BS statements about Oakland having a 'history' of fading, about certain players in Oakland being useless (hello Kendall and Loaiza and Hurt and Chavez), etc etc.

YOU, sir, are the troll. You write things you KNOW will draw A's fans in, and when they refute your argument with fact, rather than baseless conjecture, you can't stand being made to look wrong on your own blog, so you ban them.

You wanna play in the kitchen, learn to deal with the heat.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 8, 2006 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there were others
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe instead of depending on what you are told
you should look into it. Because he most certainly does ban people he disagrees with. I know that you are busy but what a cop-out excuse.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't alter posts
I alter user names. My advertisers are my customers - they pay me for your eyeballs.

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then you're going to go broke :)
Because your site isn't worth my time.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You alter usernames, alter other users' polls...
..alter their diaries, delete comments that point out your arguments are wrong, ban people who you disagree with who are engaging in nothing but friendly banter or debate.

And you brag about it, until you're exposed.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back up there, eh
I WISH i could alter a diary or a poll - let me know how to do that and I will take care of the trolls without banning a soul.

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

bullshit
I got the trifecta when I posted my sarcastic-but-not-malicious diary: altered diary, altered poll (because you were running dead last in a popularity contest on your own site...heh), and of course the dismissal.  Only way you're getting your Vegas suite is if you can find a pawnshop that's willing to pay anything for Angels' memorabilia.
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 8, 2006 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, check out my horoscope for Thursday
From astro.com:

You may have to contend with a person who is trying to exert unreasonable power over you today, forcing you to defend your right to do things your way. The person may feel that he or she is doing this for your own good, but that is not usually the case.

by RevHalofan on Sep 8, 2006 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol
aside from the fact that you're busting out astrological references, uh, I don't think that message was intended to be sympathetic to people who EXERT AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF POWER THEMSELVES.  I'd italicize rather than capitalize if I knew how to on here (yeah, after all this time, still don't know that basic skill), so take that as emphasis, not belligerence.  

I've always been lucky when it comes to horoscopes, because I fall on the Cancer/Gemini border.  I can take whichever one I prefer, I guess.

I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 8, 2006 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your unreasonable power
is simply your desire to defend yourself against an abusive blogmaster. Which in the Greater Scheme of things is a fairly low priority issue, but when you're talking about a positive Internet experience its actually kinda important.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, way to ignore being caught in a lie.
So you don't deny you've changed polls/diaries in the past?
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 8, 2006 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

"My advertisers
are my customers - they pay me for your eyeballs."

Wow, who woulda guessed that Manufacturing Consent was really about SB Nation?

"I for one would like to welcome our women's volleyball-playing overlords..."

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blez, nobody, from me
to HollywoodOz to grover, gives a rat's ass about a site manager's chosen persona or written content. However, selectively deleting comments or editing polls is embarrassing, "minor-league blog" behavior. I can't believe that it's tolerated. Now agree with us or I'll publicly post your IP address. (That's a joke not everyone may get.) OK, I'm done weighing in on this issue. Next!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I should add that
I wouldn't know where to start with running a blog or building something like SB Nation, so what the hell do I really know?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here you go
And the offending IP is:  61.120.150.14
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 7, 2006 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

BINGO!
<waves card in the air>
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do agree with that
he shouldn't be randomly deleting people's comments who aren't doing anything to disrupt intelligent discourse.  I've also told him as much.  He's led me to believe that he only bans people who come over there to cause trouble...and you have to admit that quite a few ANers go over there for that very reason.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then he's lying to you
'Cause I got banned for asking for a scouting report on Erstad's CF defense.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's still true
And a couple days after you tossed me I went back and found 1 post that supported your decision. I have to admit, that made me smile. Since then I've gone to every SB Nation site dozens if not hundreds of times, while paying HH only a handful of visits.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know first-hand
because I choose not to read the site. What I'm going on is that there have been 5-6 people on AN who have complained that they posted as civil users and were banned or had their comments deleted when they disagreed with the Rev. I don't know that it's true, but I know that many have said it's true, and that they are users I know to be generally truthful and accurate.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

And those actions
will cost you for a Loooooooooong time.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noooooooooo it wasn't.
Last time you banned me was six-eight weeks back, for replying to one of your inane statements about how Oakland 'always' chokes in the stretch by pointing out that two seasons (one including a miracle comeback) doesn't equate to 'always'.

Logical, calm, reasonable comment... deleted and banned.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

A long time, huh?
I guess the dilemma here is ... "Can a troll be rehabilitated into society?" or perhaps, how can I trust a former troll whose new alias starts off as a pleasant, intelligenet exchange... What if they go Trollbonkers (and thus being able to successfully troll twice) after a little while? Why is the burden of taking that risk on me?

I'd provide a link, but since this is Rev's comment from a little ways up in this diary, I figure people can just scroll up.

Enjoy your petard ride, Rev.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think what the Rev is saying
is that the responsibilities of being a blogmaster are too much for him. He should be applauded for his honesty and a replacement should be found ASAP in order to ease Rev of this burden.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

We can only hope...
but it sounds more to me like this is his rap to potential advertisers:

"I run a blog that's part of a nation-wide group of sports-oriented blogs that are like your favorite sports bar where you love to watch the game with your friends.  Except my site is more like a dive where we abuse the customers, 86 them for no reason, and laugh in their faces about it.  Still, we get a decent amount of foot traffic because so many people stop by here to complain about my behavior.

Wouldn't you like to advertise here so your business can be associated with that kind of experience?"

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has posted his policy...
on the site.  He will remove "troll" posts several times a day.

I watch most Angels games and enjoy discussing them in real-time with Angels fans.  Kinda like being at the ballpark....

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noone would be upset if he only banned
posters that were there to disrupt the written conversations...but he bans anyone who intelligently debates. I don't see that behavior on the other blogs... and I enjoy reading varied blogs even the NL ones.

We are allowed to make usernames on HH. It should be a fun thing to read the opinions and comment of opposing teams  fans and it really is a shame to see someone allowed to treat posters so disrespectfully.

I know that you are in a tough spot Blez because you are the creator of AN but surely there is someone in authority who could censor that behavior in the Rev.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blez,
Where does hacking your account and changing your username fall?  When the Rev changes your username it changes the username on all previous posts; I've seen him change usernames to  libelous and slanderous phrases...

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slander
is a legal term that means you have lost the ability to earn money based on a printed story. Since you are posting anonymously on a blog, how is the making fun of your anonymous name inhibiting your ability to earn a living?

by RevHalofan on Sep 7, 2006 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't make fun
of my anonymous name.  You hack into my account and change my username - for example BleacherDaveDuKKKe was one of the ones you changed it to.  This seems a pretty clear abuse of your site administration duties as well as a potentially harmful written defamation.

"In law, defamation is a right of action for communicating statements that may harm an individual's reputation or character. The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, esp. speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, esp. writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each which give a common law rights of action."

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the record, BleacherDave,
that night I was about to send you a check for $39,455.00 "just because," but when I saw the altered user name I changed my mind and gave the money instead to Cindi so she could buy some mascara. So you do have damages.

As for the Rev's actions (as you describe them), I can't believe there could even be a discussion as whether they were acceptable, professional behavior becoming of a series of blogs.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

In addition...
The Rev signed my e-mail adress up for spam.  That's got to be a violation of privacy policy.

YAY Cyndi!  The money went to a much worthier cause - Makeup!

by BleacherDave on Sep 7, 2006 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started
on how excited Cindi was when she first heard that the A's and Royals were going to play a makeup game.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 7, 2006 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. Rev getting a simple concept 100% wrong.
Shocker.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect that you've defined slander too narrowly
and that slander may be actionable based on  consequences other than the effect on one's ability to earn a living.  Defamation of another's character is, in and of itself, pretty egregious.

by Ray of Lite on Sep 8, 2006 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dictionaries are Useful Things
Try investing in one.  The definition of slander has nothing to do with lost money.

slan‧der  ˈslændər Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[slan-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.  

  1. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.  
  2. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.  
-verb (used with object) 4. to utter slander against; defame.  
-verb (used without object) 5. to utter or circulate slander.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1250-1300; (n.) ME s(c)laundre < AF esclaundre, OF esclandre, alter. of escandle < LL scandalum cause of offense, snare (see scandal); (v.) ME s(c)laundren to cause to lapse morally, bring to disgrace, discredit, defame < OF esclandrer, deriv. of esclandre]

by LD on Sep 8, 2006 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

99% of what you see with Bill O'Reilly is an act.
But, heck, I'd hate him to be representative of my business.

Blez, whatever works for you, man, it's your business. But having spent several years at DailyKos, I'm intimately aware of the ethics of blogging that the head honcho of SBN adheres to like glue, and you've gotta know that The Rev is the very antithesis of what has made his site, and by virtue of its popularity, yours, so darn respectable, appreciated, profitable and popular.

I'd be the last one to tell you how to do your job, and I know that even if you wanted to punt him, it'd probably end up being called an 'A's vs Angels' thing and cause mucho stinko, but... wow. The guy just has NO idea what's acceptable and what isn't.

Content is content - he can write what he wants and I won't bat an eyelid - but not in someone else's name, as he has done to me. Not in the name of other users, after he's banned them. That's unholy. It's reprehensible. It's bush league.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's So Hollywood of Them
"99 percent of what you see over there is an act with him...a good act because people keep coming back to read more."

Act is getting hella tired.  

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 8, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels Brand of Baseball
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on Sep 9, 2006 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, how did you guys get the kool-aid man
to pose for you guys...Im jealous now!
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 9, 2006 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda lame...
trolling undercover. But then so is banning people just because they root for a different team. That's really what the Rev does. He calls it trolling but many times it's just an ordinary A's fan wanting to discuss baseball in a reasonable way.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 8:05 PM PDT reply actions  

No: Totally lame. And I admit it.
But did you get the point? About what a blog is and what it means to be a fan? A freak?
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got the point that
some fans are standing  on the edge of the cliff of insanity   and about to teeter over... <w>

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 7, 2006 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

<teeters>
<falls>
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 7, 2006 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I got banned, too
Yeah the Rev banned me, too. Apparently I was banned for posting a rebuttal to his article about why Angels fans are better than A's fans. His reasoning: Angels have a higher annual attendance.

I pointed out that LA has a population about 10x the size of the Bay Area, so his methodology was flawed. Keep in mind I was very polite about the whole thing. Rather than respond, he banned me and deleted the post within an hour.

Personally I feel that the Rev is a tool. However, some of the Angels fans over there are pretty cool and would've been fun to talk with.

Why do I get the feeling that the Rev is 15 years old?

by limecat on Sep 7, 2006 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Long time no see
Whatever happened to that GM sim league we were doing. Did anybody ever do a write up for minorleagueball?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 7, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did the same to me.
... shortly before changing someone else's diary, then changing someone else's poll, then deleting all of my posts that refuted his (lame) arguments against the A's.

The guy is clueless.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 7, 2006 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

fun with img src

regardless of his protestations to the contrary, these are the Rev's favorite kind of hits

I think of
as the of sports blogs

The are in prime position to

shock the monkey,

leaving the Rev to play
with his handy 2006 Angels postseason kit:


1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Sep 7, 2006 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup
The Rev sucks.
"The whistles are woooooooo" - Bubb Rubb

by Philip Christy on Sep 7, 2006 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I usually...
take their baseball stuff with a grain of salt. I got frustrated trying to talk A's stuff, so I try to minimize it. I like the little side discussions (i.e. the one they had today about what music you would choose if you played). Sorry Rev, no link ;-)
Asked where Zito's perfect fit would be, Hudson said, "Do they have a league on Mars?"

by JLaff on Sep 7, 2006 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

You guys are hilarious!
I love AN and like many of you, I realize that we are lucky to have BLEZ run the site. I used to get pissed at the Rev AND HH for their crap until I noticed how many of their own fans they have alienated by the way they act. In the words of Mike Gallego, "Lets just live in peace."
By the way, Ronnie Brown and Hines Ward hooked my FFL team up tonight...Lets beat the D-Rays tomorrow...LETS GO OAKLAND!

by nfadil4 on Sep 8, 2006 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Inform Kos about Rev, Blez?
And for my money Blez, you need to go pay some attention to what Rev is doing or have Kos do so or whoever he has running SB Nation because he's a loose cannon with no respect for the power of his own medium.

I highly recommend he get a "review" by his bosses and be called on the carpet, admonished, and told he will be fired if he doesn't change his ways.

He will cost the SB Nation money and trouble at some point if this is not done and many of us who read these blogs will continue (I have already started) to lose respect for the powers that be around here.  It isn't a question of giving him the freedom to run his own blog, it's a question of professionalism which I know Kos cares about from reading DailyKos Daily.

by The Hypocrite on Sep 8, 2006 7:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I run SB Nation
and I know what Rev does.  Markos also knows exactly what he's been up to.  He isn't in the dark about what happens at our blogs.

One of the things that both Markos and I believe in 100 percent is letting our bloggers develop their own voice.  If that's Rev's voice and it continues to attract an audience, that's all we care about.  Rob McMillin runs an excellent blog at 6-4-2 talking about stats, yet his traffic isn't nearly what Halos Heaven is.  You may hate him because your an A's fan, but he obviously hasn't alienated Angel fans because his audience continues to grow.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

So the ends justify the means
So if Rev's numbers keep going up he will be allowed to abuse his powers as blogmaster just as long as he doesn't break any copyright or privacy laws. That sounds more corporate than community minded.

Here's the irony. If Rev brought his act over to AN he'd have gone the way of reztips and oaktoon long ago.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's corporate-minded to
shut him down or scold him.  The beauty of SB Nation is that all of these sites are run by individuals (80 plus now) who have their own perception of community and can implement it the way they see fit.  We're fond of saying that there isn't one way to build a successful blogging community.  I certainly wouldn't build my community the way the Rev has built his, but we believe in empowering the individual to run the blogs the way they see fit.

And there's no irony, grover.  AN is a different blog with different rules than HH because I run it, not Rev.  We may all be under the SBN umbrella, but we also let people develop their own communities the way they see fit.  If someone wanted a cookie-cutter approach, there are other networks out there for that.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dare say that if 6-4-2 were part of SBN...
..his traffic would boom in days.

I, for one, would check daily.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 8, 2006 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who are you trying to convince, me or you?
HH makes money. I'm not entirely sure how your corporation works but I assume that cutting them from the SB Nation will mean taking a hit in the pocketbook. (I think it would be a short term loss because you'd be replacing it with a quality product but that's another topic.) As a corporate leader your responsibilty is to the ledger book. And I don't want you to think that I'm trying to martyr on the alter of altruism, because I understand that you're trying to provide for your family through SB Nation. As a husband and a father I understand what you're trying to do.

But you are constantly pushing the concept of "Community" and that makes you responsible to the readers of the SB Nation blogs. You've been told repeatedly that Rev has been abusing his position at HH, I know because I've brought up his actions a couple times and HollywoodOz has written tomes about his experiences over there. Several other people, some who have been around AN since the green border days, have also commented on Rev's actions.

Rev has admitted to altering usernames to include KKK referrences. He has admitted to altering and deleting posts, not because of inappropriate content, but out of spite. The proof to these claims can be found in this thread. He banned me because he disagreed with me. But don't take my word for it, go over to HH and do a search for my comments. Assuming Rev hasn't altered them to cover his ass, you try to figure out what I said that justified my ban.

I'll do one better than that. I'll drop this whole issue, I'll never bring it up again, if you can tell me that you fully support the actions I referrenced above. Just say, "Yeah grover. I've got no problem with Rev altering usernames to include KKK referrences. I've got no problem with the man altering or deleting posts whenever he disagrees with the poster's opinions."

Tell me that, and I'll know that you've heard what I've been saying but you choose to follow a different path than I recommend. I can live with that. I'll still come to AN as often as I can because I truly enjoy the site and there is no way Rev's low-class actions are going to dampen my enthusiasm for participating around here.

But you owe us an answer on this issue. Do you, Blez, fully support the tactics Rev uses to run his site? Is it OK for him to use KKK referrences and alter/delete posts whenever he chooses? Is it OK for him to treat dissenting voices like garbage?

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think of it as a foray into Blog Federalism
And the Rev can assert his own "Jim Crow" laws because he has the power of the majority -- and no ajudication or questioning judicial dessent, as of yet -- behind  him.  

Now, it seems as though there are many of you who don't belong to that particular community who wish to affect change within that community.  Is this some sort of civil rights movement at the SB Nation?  And if so, I will be interesting to see who will take the roles like: who will be MLK and who's gonna be Rosa Parks.

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets get a couple things straight
First off, I was part of the HH community until I got banned for having the audacity to ask for a scouting report on Erstad's CF defense.

Secondly, I'm not going to marginalize the civil rights by comparing it to such a trivial item as this. People were hurt and killed trying to push civil rights, in this case some feelings got hurt in cyberspace.

Most importnatly, Rev is not operating with the consent of the majority. He is a tyrant. All blogmasters are tyrants, some are just more benelovent than others. In Rev's case, he is a puupet tyrant. There is someone over him (Blez, Kos) who can cut the strings at any time.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! Yes!
First, you were silenced by your adversary.  You fought authority and, well, you can consult John Cougar lyrics for the rest.

Second, you said it, this is a relatively trivial matter.  And as such, don't participate in the discussion over there if you do not like the consequences of dissenting with someone who has the power to actually cause you discomfort or embarassment.  That's like playing with fire only with flammables.

Most importantly, power corrupts.  This is a fundemental truth.  One should aways question the motives of people when reflecting on their actions...to include oneself, especially if one goes looking for trouble in communities where one's own motives are suspect.

 

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm
I prefer the Beastie Boys version to Cougar's.

I didn't go over the HH to start a fight, I went over there to learn more about the Angels. I wanted to know what die-hard Angel fans thought about their roster, who they thought was for real and who was hype.

As for me getting banned, it was a chickenshit move on Rev's part and the funny thing is only one poster agreed with his action. But to ban someone just because you can is an abuse of power and my over-riding question is this: Does SB Nation want to associate with a blogmaster who has the impulse control of a 6 year old?

I think such an association would be bad for business. I know such an association is bad for developing a community of sports blogs.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well Blez, then you are as bad as Rev
He changes peoples usernames Blez.  You are complicit if you don't stop that.  There has to be a line in the sand.  Deleting posts and usernames and banning is one thing and I have no problem with it.  That is blog justice.  But hacking user accounts?

Just because he is somewhat successful doesn't mean someone else couldn't be successful running his blog.  But the McMillen dude in his place and boom he has the Halos Heaven traffic and probably grows it.

Now that I know you run SB Nation Blez, I hold you as responsible as Rev for hacking those user accounts and I am considering starting an SB Nation wide diary blitz to get you to reprimand him for it.

by The Hypocrite on Sep 8, 2006 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Blez: <in my best My Name is Earl
voice>: "I'm sorry." Really hope this doesn't cause you any real grief whatsoever.
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

You shouldnt be the one apologizing
Its the Rev who's been playing with matches near the  gun powder keg, if its blowing up, its because of him, not you.
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, make sure they stay away from Band Camp
We don't need anyone else getting hurt.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of the last at least 50 diaries
this one has the most comments - more even than the AN Co-op Glossary! I confess I actually visit HH frequently, and over time have come to accept and even like the Rev just the way he is. He's the enemy we love to hate. It's good to have an enemy you love to hate. How fun would an enemy you hate to hate be?
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 8, 2006 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty fun, IMO.
The LookoutLanding crew and AN seem to have a pretty good rapport.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 8, 2006 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes
And that kind of rapport seems appropriate for Mariners fans. To me, ANs relationship with HH also seems appropriate. They are Angels fans, after all.
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 8, 2006 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's funny to me
is that I'm pretty sure we wouldn't if the Mariners were actually threatening to take the division.  Go back to 2001 and I imagine the rapport between AN and LL wouldn't be so...friendly.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course it would.
Because we're ball fans, not bar thugs. The Rangers just drew us back into a dogfight for the division, but none of us went over to the Rangers site and called them names.

We're better than that. We can say "well played, Mr Hinske" if he sends one over the wall, because winning means nothing if it comes without respect.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 8, 2006 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bet it would.
Blez, the great thing about the SBNation from the readers' perspective is how unique and interesting each individual writer is.  I'm a big fan of Grant, Larry Boros, Jeff Sackmann, Jeff Sullivan, etc.  I'm no Giants fan, and I don't even care about the Brewers, but I read their blogs daily.

I think that it is a discredit to us, the readers, to think that our blog-reading preferences are about the identity of the team and not the quality of the writer.  Indeed, I read Rob McMillan and the Chronicler regularly because of quality content about the Angels.  I'm sure others are the same.

I'm fine that SBNation's policy is to let the blogmasters run their blogs however they see fit.  However, with that freedom comes accountability, so you shouldn't be surprised, nor should you be defensive, when people complain about a blogmaster.  What steps you take is up to you, naturally, but the readers have just as much right to complain as the blogmaster has right to be incendiary.

Rev's provacative style is something that draws a certain type of person to his site, which is fine.  But there should still be a minimum standard of decorum and expected behavior for blogmasters.  I would suggest that blogmasters be prohibited from changing usernames without a specific request and posting IP or other personal information.  Banning and deletion are, of course, should be up to the blogmaster and what kind of site he wants to run.

Finally, you of all people should understand that HH's traffic is driven by being part of SBNation.  Many of the writers you hired have been quality blogging for a long time and only seen the big bump in readership after moving to SBNation.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 8, 2006 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well said
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll repeat this one more time
I talked with Rev about altering people's usernames, even if they are trolls.  I think he understands that it isn't an appropriate way to handle it.  We're also going to put in some new measures to try and stop the trolling which is rampant by A's fans.

In some ways, the Bleacher Dave thing was my fault because Rev complained to me in email about the trolling and asked me to help by contacting the guy and asking to stop.  I basically told him it was his problem to deal with since it was his site (I constantly have to check for trolls and figured he should do the same), look what happened.  I sort of feel like Peter Parker who let the guy who killed his Uncle Ben run by during the robbery.  I learned my lesson on this one.

At the same time, I really wish ANers would just stop going over there.  If you don't like what he says or how he says it, just stop.  The site wasn't meant for you in the first place.  There's a reason all of these sites are team based rather than general baseball.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blez...
think about the, say, 200 people who visit this site the most (I probably fall into that group, but that's hard to determine...there are a lot of regulars here, which is cool).  Now think about the combined baseball passion and knowledge that you get from all those people.  You think we're not going to be, um, "tempted" (I use that word since you're asserting that it's wrong for AN members to visit any other team SB sites) to visit blogs dedicated to other teams?  Look at the immense popularity of the Daily Link Dump...how much of that is strictly A's-related?  Depends on the day, but the regulars here are a pretty eclectic crowd, with wide-ranging interests, one of which happens to be breathing A's baseball for 6+ months of the year (or the entire year, some of us never take a break).  

Speaking for myself now, I am a passionate A's fan...but I'm also a fan of the league as a whole, the sport as a whole, professional sports as a whole...hell, reduce it all the way to "anything remotely competitive", and I like it.  Yet I also enjoy the artistry of good writing as well...and as luck would have it, there seem to be many others who share these same or similar interests on these blogs...but not just limited to this one.  AN is awesome, but if I've got time, and I've read every recent diary here that I'm interested in, well, I'm probably going to go click on the Lookout Landing link to see if anything interesting has been posted there...and with Jeff, the front page writer, alone, you can count that there has been.  His detailed analysis of specific aspects of the game, such as pitching mechanics with their "Rincon", Julio Mateo, is phenomenal, and it's very well-written too.  And you don't even have to pay for it <cough> ESPN, BP, etc <cough>.

Simply stated, I have a lot of respect for what you've done for this blog, I just don't think you're seeing the full picture on this issue.  There's been "trolling" at HH, sure, but that pales in comparison to the amount of, well, passive reading that's taken place at other sites by AN members.

I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 8, 2006 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy the Rev's vitriol...
for me it's an integral part of the baseball rivalry experience.  I look for Angels fans to talk smack with - an Angels fan based site is the place to find them.

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Invite some of their smack-talkers over here
And then let me know how that goes.  Not only for what it "adds" to the discussion but also what it does for board tranquility.  Keep us posted.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boo!
this is an amazing diary.

by yeswecan @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

re:
It's not like I get treated with any sort of respect when I go over there either, and I don't go to represent the A's or any team in general.

I get along fine with the Rev outside of HH, but whenever I'm there it's a completely different story.

by Marc Normandin @ Athletics Nation on Sep 21, 2006 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's because LAXile is more popular than me...
...isn't it?  <sob>
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shit!
You took my line.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

you like me, you really like me!
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"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

None of this has been about love or hate
It's about right and wrong.

Is it right for a blogmaster to edit or delete non-offensive posts simply because he disagrees with the poster? Is it right for a blogmaster to change a username to include a KKK referrence? Is it right for a blogmaster to ban a poster simply because that poster believes differently on a subject?

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Damn
Meant this as a reply to ArakSOT.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you're right, it's wrong
But it's difficult for me to work up any real sense of moral indignation when we're talking about sports blogs
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 8, 2006 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

BLEZ
Surely hacking into users accounts, changing their username names without permission, subscribing them to porno spam, and sending profane and threatening e-mails to their personal e-mail addresses is a violation of my privacy expectations?

I totally agree that the Rev should be able to develop whatever voice he chooses;does that include an endorsment by SB Nation of his hacking into my account?

What is the privacy policy of SB Nation and how is my personal info safeguarded against abuse from the good Rev?

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I got this e-mail from the Rev
Not posted on HH, but sent to my "anonymous" e-mail:

From: "Artist Residency" <XXXXXXX.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert  
To: dave@bleacherdave.com
Subject: KKK
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:49:13 -0700
    You like your handle better now with the Klan reference?

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow.
the Rev really crossed the line with the KKK reference and the spam thing.

Its really unacceptable. SB Nation should be embarresed.

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by signmebilly on Sep 8, 2006 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's all very simple.
At the bottom of every SBNation site is a little message: "Another great SB Nation site."  Just remove the word "great" from HH.  Then it's truth in advertising.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 8, 2006 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Blez, it sounds like AN Nation members
Need you to acknowledge the difference between allowing your "affiliates" to "develop their own voice" and allowing them to trample on their expectations of privacy.

Do you see the difference?

by The Hypocrite on Sep 8, 2006 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Listen
I've talked with Rev privately about the privacy issues and I'm not going to make a point of calling it out publicly here.  I've dealt with it on my end.

At the same time, people like BleacherDave has about 10 accounts used expressly for the purposes of trolling over there.  Take some responsibility for your own actions and stop being a troll.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

BLEZ,
Please define "BleacherDave has about 10 accounts used expressly for the purposes of trolling over there."

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen all of your accounts over there
and I've also seen many of the comments used for trolling.  I wouldn't tolerate it here and the Rev didn't handle it appropriately.  I've talked with him about that.

But you should also stop creating new accounts just to annoy Angel fans.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those accounts were created
serially, not in some wholesale attempt to disguise my identity or to disrupt their community.  I only created a new one as each previous one was banned.

Which of my HH comments wouldn't you tolerate here?  I don't think I've ever come close to crossing the line.

Thanks for addressing my privacy and defamation concerns.  I look forward to meeting the Rev on my next trip to Angel stadium.  

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also don't think ANers should be on
HH in the first place.  We created these places to be team havens away from other team's fans.  Now it's great that some people love places like LL and LSB to "learn more" about the other team, but truthfully, that's not why they're there.  They're there for people who bleed that team's colors.

I hate the Angels and the only time I ever go visit is when they lose because I like to revel in their misery.  It's sick I know, but I enjoy seeing Angel fans crying.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have accounts for LL and McCovey Chronicles...
...which I've never used (and wouldn't use for trolling, anyway) -- but I like knowing that if I ever DO want to say something on the other sites that I read, I can.

HH?  I don't even bother having an account.  Can't imagine ever wanting to say anything there.  Whatever.  Their loss.

"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that's exactly how ANers should
be approaching it.  I never comment at any of the baseball sites because they aren't MY community.  This is MY community because I'm an A's fan.  I have nothing to say to Red Sox, Yankee or Angels fans that would be productive.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

my LL account came in handy
when Soriano got beaned, to express good wishes for his recovery.  Also to root them on as they took 2 of 3 from the Ladies In Red a few weekends ago.  But I would never be anything but cordial and respectful on another team's blog, it's just not worth the partisan pissing match.

It would be tempting to sign up just to pee all over HH when (not if) we eliminate them from contention, but even more fun would be to fly down there and see it in person if it does indeed come down to the last series, although I don't think it will.

I read HH sometimes, kind of like rubbernecking at a car accident, but I would never sign up and really participate.  AN is so deeply satisfying as a community to me that there would be no point in going to a site where creativity and literacy is frowned upon and the proprietor is just trying to pimp for "hits" like some sort of cyber-crackhead.

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by emperor nobody on Sep 8, 2006 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't knock your senibilities, Blez...
but I'm not you.  I use the "public square" of these sites in a different way.  Are the users of SB Nation free to deviate from your fan ethic?

I don't indulge in personal attacks, profanity, homophobia, racial or ethnic slurs, or sexual degradation.  I follow the Community Guidelines regarding speech.  

Yet, anyone wants to attack me that way in an open forum, they are free to do so - I can take it.  Just don't hack my username.

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet you could say plenty of
usefull and entertaining things to them, You choose NOT to. I respect that choice. Some on here do want to make comments on other sites. Not to Harrass but for entertainment or info. It's too bad that the ones that do can't do it without being subjected to harrassment by a site administrator.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 8, 2006 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then why provide the links?
Seriously, why are there links to all these other sites if you don't want us visiting them? Why not just have one link to SB Nation and if someone wants to hop over the LL they can route through the main hub.

I didn't realize the intent of SB Nation was some kind of Seperate but Equal community of sports blogs. I like to talk about trade ideas, that's my thing when I post a diary. I use the SB links to go talk to people who follow other teams so I can try and get a feel for how valuable a player is to his home team before I target him in a trade suggestion.

That's the type of community I thought SB Nation was trying to build. I'm sorry to hear that I was wrong.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The nature of these sites are tribal
and that's exactly why we created them the way we did and didn't have one stand alone URL with "athletics" tagged on the end.  That's why they're branded separately.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got that
But you're discouraging folks from actually following those links and talking to other people. I know the A's pretty well, I know who they have in their org chart and (generally) how they operate. I can't say the same about any other team in MLB. So if I have a question about another team or another player or if I want to hear the perspective of the St. Louis faithful after we've traded them Mulder than I follow an SB link to that organization's site.

Now, if I go in disrespectful and get smacked around then so be it. I have no doubt that there are poeple who go elsewhere for the sole intent of raising a fuss. A troll is a troll is a troll no matter what colors they wear and I don't have any use for them. But I don't see any reason why there should be a problem with me going over to the GoodPhight and asking if Michael Bourn is for real. Is he going to be the Phillies' CF in the near future? Etc.

I thought the idea was to promote that kind of interaction between fans. Yeah, we'll hate the Mariners when we play them but when our teams aren't going head-to-head it should be OK to pay LL a friendly visit. Intelligent and sometimes witty discussion should not be restricted by team colors. But I guess not. Too bad.

And I'm supposed to be one of the bigger cynics around here. :/

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

re: I also don't think ANers should be on
That is a good and interesting point.

First off, right now, for the Angels to advance two things need to happen. They need to play out of their minds and Oakland needs to blow it. So, they are going to be hoping and talking about Oakland choking.

Secondly, it is obvious that Rev acts like a 15 year old smack talker, so what is the poing of going over there and asking how Bartolo Colon's rehab is going or if Dallas McPherson is going to fit in next season. He has no special insight, so why bother? But, if that is what Angel fans what, so be it.

So, really what is the point of visiting the site. You know as an A's fan that it is just going to bother you and your opinion is not wanted.

.

by Athletics Central on Sep 8, 2006 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but that's not right.
I'm an A's fan. That's obvious.

But I'm also a fan of baseball. I have accounts on 7 or 8 other sbnation sites, and I go there regularly not just to read, but also discuss things with them. If I want to know more about Billy Butler I'll go to Royals Review and ask them, and have a nice discussion. If I want to find out how Ben Sheets was coming along in his rehab earlier this season, and if people who know think he'll be the same pitcher he was before, I'll fo to the Brewers site. I've exchanged comments and emails with Jeff from LL, who has been as good a blogmaster as you can ask for.

Being an A's fan does not preclude me from being interested in other teams, in the sense that I enjoy watching baseball. If I wanted to talk about the Angels development of players from the Dominican, I'd go to HH. Of course, I won't since Rev is there. I go other places for that kind of discussion.

to be honest, as a member of AN and other sites, I'm bothered by your methods of running SB nation sometimes. If all that matters is "attracting an audience", and the way someone behaves is unimportant, that bothers me. Is it really worth the extra few dollars to have an embarassment like Rev represent your company in a market like LA? I'm certain that given a better blogmaster, there would be an initail dropoff of some Angels fans leaving HH, but the resulting boom from having a good leader would more than make up for it.

--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 8, 2006 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

you, grover, sal, and I...
all pretty much said the same thing about how we like to utilize these blogs, and Oz I believe said something similar above.  So clearly there is a strong contingent of A's fans who, while maintaining AN as the homepage of sorts, do not like to be confined to AN alone, just out of pursuing our various interests (sal's obviously passionate and quite knowledgeable about statistical analysis, grover's the best GM blogger out there, you're interested and well-informed in all aspects of the game, and I like baseball, I like to read, and I like to write.  Give me two or more of those things at once and I'm hooked.)
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 8, 2006 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Utterly Insane
How you can justify Rev's behavior in this way, and say that you've handled the situation, while asking your site members to not visit one of your SB Nation blogs because it's not meant for us is completely mind-boggling.  It makes SB Nation look bad, plain and simple.

by LD on Sep 8, 2006 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel for you, Blez
but that statement is seriously bothersome.

I don't go to HH anymore because I don't want to be driven nuts and I have no interest in talking to Angels fans. I just don't care, no interest in the blog because it sucks and I don't want to give the Rev hits... I'm just praying like hell that he doesn't get a cut of any of the money that comes from the hits and advertising on more kickass SBN sites.

However, I am a regular reader of LL and MCC, and it just strikes me as funny that SBN is purported to be a community, yet we shouldn't be there because "that's not why they're there".

I love the A's, but I'm also a fan of the game -- seems like a lot of us here are. Baseball, more than ever, isn't in a vacuum. It's FUN to follow ex-A's and cheer on their successes with their new fans. It's FUN to discuss trades and find out scouting reports from the fans who saw the new players every day. It's FUN to read about minor leaguers from other teams and what other teams are up to.

Maybe that's how you see the community, as being completely segregated, but it seems short-sighted to assume everyone enjoys the game like that. Plus, some of the bloggers you got are friggin' HILARIOUS, how are we supposed to NOT read them and appreciate them?

Unless there's gonna be a goddamn loyalty oath when I sign up for an SN, dictating which team I will love, I think it's extremely silly to try and tell us which SB sites we're "supposed" to go to.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Sep 8, 2006 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Kyli!
Well said!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

"trolling"
Dave, I haven't visited HH much (regularly) since grover was banned for his non-trolling, but I haven't seen anything from you that fits any reasonable person's definition of "trolling," either... and there also seem to be several HHers who enjoy interacting with you.  Regardless of whether you've ever said or done anything that deserves a ban, that I just haven't seen, I'm totally with you on the absolute inappropriateness of your username being changed and your email being used for harrassment -- especially by THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is referring to Frankie as "K-Fraud"
considered to be trolling?  Even as you acknowledge that he's having a great year, and he closes the door 1-2-3 that night?

I can do that in a bar in Anaheim,or at Angel stadium - what makes the denizens of HH so tender?

There are some HHers that I've developed a friendly rivalry with; we needle each other and  I take some lumps and dish some out.

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I'll take it that you don't approve of the KKK
Thing and that it won't happen anymore?

That our privacy is protected to some extent at SB Nation?

by The Hypocrite on Sep 8, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly no, you didn't
You said you talked to him "privately".  You didn't say what you said to him privately.  For all we know you winked and nodded and he'll keep doing it.

by The Hypocrite on Sep 8, 2006 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I did
I told him to go right on doing it.  Come on, use your head.

I told him that we have very few things that will ever get someone booted from SBN, but that publishing someone's IP or their email or violating their privacy is one of them.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

3 Strikes?
He's apparently done all three of those things, and not all at once, so I'm curious how many chances he gets at this.  He's clearly unrepentant about it.  Whatever, though...it's pretty clear that you're not going to be persuaded by the arguments that have been offered here.

by LD on Sep 8, 2006 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

BleacherDave
Here are the aliases from ONE isp:

Bleacher Dave [ Edit ]

BleacherBDDave [ Edit ]
bleacherdave [ Edit ]
bleacherdave2 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave3 [ Edit ]
BleacherDave4 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave99 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave999 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave9999 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave99999 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave999999 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave9999999 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave99999999 [ Edit ]
bleacherdave999999999 [ Edit ]
BleacherDaveDave [ Edit ]
BleacherDaveDaveDave [ Edit ]
bleacherdaveisbanned [ Edit ]
bleacherdaveislikeathletesfoot [ Edit ]
bleacherdaveispersistent [ Edit ]
bleacherdaverisesfromthedead [ Edit ]
BleacherDavid [ Edit ]
bleacherDavid2 [ Edit ]
BleacherDavid3 [ Edit ]

That is WAY more than ten.
A troll is a troll - wear it.

by RevHalofan on Sep 8, 2006 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

And a disgrace is a disgrace
Wear it.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need a new shirt
Something comfortable enough to lounge around in yet nice enough to take into public.

My "Got Boobs?" shirt doesn't cut it anymore.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about this one?

It's perfect for sitting in front of your computer and blogging all day, or heading out for a quick trip to The Android's Dungeon!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so
Maybe something with a little more color.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

ten, schmen -- that's just stathead talk
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 8, 2006 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

sabermetrics! sabermetrics!
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ten, thirty, one hundred, whatever...
Were those accounts created serially, as Dave said they were, because you kept banning him?  Are people who create accounts strictly for the purpose of trolling going to keep using the same basic name?
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe if they're stupid
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea
I'm glad someone else noticed that. I agree.
--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 8, 2006 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

just by the humor of some of those handles
like "bleacherdaverisesfromthedead", heh, his intent is obviously pretty light-hearted.  Wait, intent, what's that?
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 8, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's pretty obvious
he wasn't trying to create a bunch of accounts at the same time to "hide" and be a troll.

they're all named bleacherdave...

Now, I don't know what he said, since you deleted his comments. But I'll assume that it was provocative, but not over the line.

I've been on message boards for a long, long time, and I've found that often, the best solution for "trolls" is to simply ignore them. Don't get all riled up, don't delete their comments, and don't do something stupid and escalate it by changing things. Leave what they said for everyone to see, and ignore. If it was really trollish, then it'll just pass. If it wasn't, then it deserves to stay.

I've found that a troll that gets ignored disappears quickly. After all, what fun is it to poke a bear with a stick if the bear won't acknowledge you? Very very few will troll for long if they get no responses.

Try it. Or don't and continue to get bogged down in controversy, instead of watching baseball.

--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 8, 2006 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

My questions were not rhetorical, by the way.
Especially the first one.  Post the "created on" dates, unaltered.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

UPDATE:
Question still. not. rhetorical.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

you. are. rad.
this is the most amazing diary i've ever read.

by yeswecan @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are banned for insincerity.
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

all the attention is amazing
it's much ado about nothing, imo.

by yeswecan @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

we're very process-oriented around here ...
... just like the A's plate approach.

The Rev, of course, mirrors the Angels' plate approach: swing wildly, miss often.

A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 8, 2006 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

touch
but he's also alot like vlad's swing: take a shot at everything -- but if he connects, it's a sweet one. so much fun!

by yeswecan @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whereas his "reasoning"...
...is more like Vlad's helmet.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Having your IP address published is nothing?
Or your user name changed to a KKK reference? Or your post changed? I doubt that you would like that kind of treatment.  

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 8, 2006 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the email harrassment.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO!!!!
BleacherDave has more aliases than you have posts on a typical Gamethread!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!
Frank, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of RevHaloFan!

by 510inDenver on Sep 18, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I not going to stop at two cents on this one.
I could be speaking out my rear end entirely, because I wouldn't know (having only visited -- but never posted -- on a handful of occasions), but could anyone of you imagine Daily Kos being constantly bombarded by a mass of trolls without Marcos and others offering some form of retaliatory action?

Do you really think that that message board would be fun if many people who share my views on politics began to infest that site?  

The truth, though, is that I would not go over there to post because doing so would be absolutely immature, disruptive, and would cause all sorts of discontent.  Why invite that.

Now, some of you may have just raised an eyebrow because you've seen me do exactly what I said I wouldn't do.  You have a point, too.  But rarely (IF EVER) have I ever started with the politicking without being engaged by another member [that is, either responding to someone else that "went there" first or being replied to in such a way where the "invitation" presented itself]

I have acknowledged that I push the envelope at times but I have never been asked to stop or have been sent a private e-mail stating that I have just earned a CVG.  it's probably because my tone doesn't come near crossing the line and I try my hardest to never shut anyone down with the way I word things.

Some of us (I am not one) are probably contributing members to HH and have to watch their tones and watch the behavior as guests to the board.  Those who do this probably do not get screwed with by Rev.  If you do not know how to be good guests then guess what, expect some grief.  News flash: you're guests here, too, no matter how long you've posteed here or no matter how much good will and previous contribution you've made to the community.

The privacy concerns are very real things, though.  And it looks as though Tyler has or is dealing with this.  I personally trust him, don't you, AN?  So this talk of threatening revolt of SBNation, demanding oversight of something that doesn't event truly belong to you, and exoriating indefensible behavior because some other shitty behavior precipitated it, is just farking childish.

Stay in your own circle -- as a guest, mind you -- or learn to accept the behaviors of the members of the other circle that you decide to enter -- again as a guest; and one on their best behavior.

4 8 15 16 23 42

by LowcountryJoe on Sep 8, 2006 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with the principles set forth
But there is one glaring inaccuracy in this post.

"Some of us (I am not one) are probably contributing members to HH and have to watch their tones and watch the behavior as guests to the board. Those who do this probably do not get screwed with by Rev. If you do not know how to be good guests then guess what, expect some grief."

That idea does not jive with my experience at HH.

I agree with the concept of being a good guest but if we are going to use the "guest" metaphor than there should be some expectations, some standards, regarding the host's behavior. There are good hosts and bad hosts, just as there are good or bad guests. If the host is a functionary of another, and their sole purpose is to serve as host of the function, then it is acceptable for a guest to comment on the host's behavior to the employer.

Now, Rev is a bad host therefore I do not visit his site. Rev is an employee of Blez, therefore I feel fully justified in taking my displeasure to him.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is that many
folks from AN are still on there and contribute and haven't been banned.  Folks like sal and jlaff.

I appreciate your support, man.  And also understanding that we gotta let our sites have their own personality even if it isn't always a pretty one.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems pretty obvious to me
As much fun it is to read HH after another roll over and die performance from the Anals, I won't go over there ever again. Look at all the pub this guy just got. There are only like 8 regular posters over there. If everyone from AN stop going there, his numbers will experience a steep decline, making it far easier for the powers that be to dump him from the company.

JUST BOYCOTT TODD'S DEPRESSING LITTLE DIARY. The only time I'll go over there again is the day we clinch the division.

I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Sep 8, 2006 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice post
bitch!!!  ;-)

Apparently the Rev has replaced toon as AN public enemy number one.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, look at all the pub...
right here on AN where it belongs.

But a boycott isn't enough. Go visit every SB Nation site except for HH, then make a quick jump over to 6-4-2. That will show TPTB how much their readers care about quality content from SB Nation websites. When the rest of SB Nation is getting a couple thousand hits a day and the Rev is lucky to pull in double digits the end will come soon enough.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hits
I would kill for a couple thousand hits in a day.

So, if you want to stick it to the Rev, come over to True Blue L.A. for a bunch of news that has absolutely nothing to do with your team :).

by regfairfield on Sep 8, 2006 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just realized...
that of course the link is on the sidebar...

I need to stop posting while doing 10 other things... like homework and watching tv.

--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 8, 2006 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to call us names first
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 8, 2006 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kill?
A tempting offer...
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

229 comments and counting...
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"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 8, 2006 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

The beatings will continue
until morale improves.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 8, 2006 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man, I laughed so hard at this
Ok so Ive been watching from the side lines, and while I get more and more frustrated as the diary goes on. I for one wouldnt want to touch this with a 10 ft. pole.  
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good
because what have the Poles done to you?  Is there any European group that is immune to our puns?

by Rickeyfan on Sep 8, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

oompa loompas?
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO NICO'S PONY???
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey
I don't look to instigate confrontations with ponies, but I'm going to stick up for my ponymates and for myself if they stick f'n things out there.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 8, 2006 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well at least now Nico
know why he won't be getting the pony I promised him for this upcoming holiday.  Nice work, jeepers.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2006 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna let a pony talk to me like that.
Equestrian sports are turning into a badminton league, if you ask me.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 8, 2006 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is Nico beating the pony!
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we're going to continue beating things
like this, we really should get Duke and Saint involved
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 8, 2006 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or at least Brett Myers.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Nico's pony
could make a great drum skin.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 8, 2006 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That horse isn't dead...
it's pining for the fjords.
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Sep 8, 2006 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

or at least the Duke lacrosse team
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 8, 2006 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the one Grant has on McC
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/images/admin/BeatDeadHorse.gif
Asked where Zito's perfect fit would be, Hudson said, "Do they have a league on Mars?"

by JLaff on Sep 8, 2006 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we all agreed that was a camel?
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
Define "we all"...  ;)
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 8, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok
so an unanimous consensus it wasnt. Since when do we care about facts in this thread?
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh My God!!
While we were distracted by our debate about RevHaloFan, someone sent a troll to kill MaEl's unicorn and is beating it senseless with its own horn!  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SOMEBODY HELP!!!!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 8, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, y'all! This has been more fun
than I ever imagined it would be. I think we all learned a valuable lesson...I am going to BOYCOTT ALOS EVEN and click on all the other SBNation sites. Then I will say why I love AN on a fresh thread.
"The guy's Far Eastern. Psychic. He knows what the hitters are looking for, and he relays that to me," Zito said.

by LAXile on Sep 8, 2006 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

YOU TROUBLEMAKER!
BOlSHEVIK!  Yeah, it's been a blast.

by BleacherDave on Sep 8, 2006 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course you guys do realise
that at HH a similar diary would have resulted in deletion of about 97% of the content and the banning of everybody!
"Be in first place, then come and talk to me!!!" Erik being Erik to Angels fan at Anaheim Stadium.

by Amnesiac727 on Sep 8, 2006 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?
Where'd everyone go?  This thread can't die!  NEVER!  SAY!  DIE!
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 8, 2006 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

it's....
ALIVE!!!!!

</gene wilder in young frankenstein voice>

--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 8, 2006 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rev is more the Larry Cohen "It's Alive"
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 8, 2006 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rev's Dead
So's this Thread!
Beware the Reverend's rancid carne asada!

by BruceBochte on Sep 8, 2006 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Is that a Curtis Mayfield song?
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 9, 2006 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blez
If SBN wants people to stick to their favourite team's site then Rev hasn't gotten that memo otherwise he wouldn't be here. And he wouldn't be inviting (inciting?) people at AN to go to HH ("more hits for me").  So there seems to be some inconguity there.

Thanks for running this site the way you do!

by Larry E on Sep 9, 2006 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

One of the Funniest Diaries I've Read
Usually with AN, i read a diary and i'll read some of the comments below, but then i get bored with them and find something else to read. Seems to be the same arguements over and over again. But this diary was hilarious; I could not stop reading the comments. From the bashing of Rev to the attempts to set morals for SBN, I kept laughing out loud and wanting more. This diary should be part of the AN Diary Hall of Fame or something. Well done ANers, you have proved yourselfs once again as pro's when it comes to ripping a new one for Angel fans.

by drummer510 on Sep 9, 2006 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

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