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Four Mid-Season Myths of 2006

[editor's note, by louismg] Political content removed per Community Guidelines

Mid-Season Myths of 2006

by batman

OAKLAND (July 2) -

1. "BILLY BEANE CAN SPOT A BARGAIN"

Like giving up Jeremy Bonderman for Ted Lilly? Actually, there was nothing wrong with Lilly. It looked like a good deal. Ted was easily the A's best pitcher in the 2003 stretch drive and in that memorable ALDS against Boston. But Beane inexplicably let him walk away and sign for a bargain $5M for two years with the Blue Jays, where he is currently a very effective third starter behind Roy Halladay and A.J. Burnett. Beane filled his spot with the utterly forgettable Mark Redman for the same $2M that Lilly got from the Jays in 2004. Moneyball net to the Athletics: nothing, with Bonderman and Lilly helping to lead the Tigers and Jays forward to possible post-seasons, while the A's continue to flounder and disappoint with Beane gems like Esteban Loaiza. Each day we watch Andre Ethier get two more hits with that sweet stroke, we wonder about Beane's scouting competence and if we will ever see Milton Bradley fulfill the "potential" that has characterized his entire injury-dominated career. We were all excited when Milton first put on the Green and Gold and showed off his exceptional hustle and energy. But someone in a well-managed organization also had to pay attention to his evident brittleness. Maybe way back when Beane mentor Sandy Alderson sent Jose Rijo packing to the Reds in exchange for Dave Parker, where Jose would thrive and totally dominate the A's in the 1990 Series sweep, after Alderson said Rijo lacked a "work ethic," we should have had some sense of Beane's ability to evaluate players and "bargains."

<!-- 2. "JULY 3 COLISEUM SALUTE TO THE TROOPS DESERVES YOUR SUPPORT"<p> Most baseball fans appear to support the war on the Iraqi people, but THEY SHOULD NOT. I remember the German people whining, "We didn't know what the Nazis were doing." Well, we DO know. And I don't come to the ballpark to celebrate imperialism and oil war. I come to watch baseball. And if I did "support the troops," I would be offended by Barry Zito's "generosity" in contributing $50 per strikeout to the women and men in uniform. That kind of largess might buy two soldiers a weekend at the All-Star Game, if they took Greyhound and ate at McDonald's. And this is from a guy who not only wants to advertise his giving but is looking to make $10-15M a year over the next ten seasons.  <p> --> 2. "DISTANCES POSTED ON M.L.B. OUTFIELD FENCES ARE ACCURATE"

Maybe this is something that could be verified by your GPS system or some advanced Google map, but without as much as an old-fashioned tape measure I am going out on a limb to say that it is not even close to 420 feet to that quirky right-center alcove at Fenway park. I am so sick of David Ortiz hitting these bloopers that land half-way up the centerfield bleachers and Baseball Tonight ooohing and ahhhing about him "crushing" another one. Even though there isn't enough time to even begin to  say a decent "going, going . . . gone!" before some ordinary can of corn is prematurely landing in the seats. Get out there and measure the fences in Boston, and while you're at it do left field at Minutemaid (Houston). You can calibrate your tape measure at AT&T, which seems to have really accurate distances posted to me. A lifetime of estimating the time of rain delays, bat weights and lengths, crowds, home run distances, and hot dog prices has given me an uncanny sense of accuracy concerning these important matters.

3. "THE FANS DON'T LIKE THE COLISEUM"

Most of the fans I talk to think the old ballpark is fine. Great location, great history, great food. The only thing the real fans don't like about the Coliseum is that the A's new owner, Lew "the Wolff in Sheep's Clothing," doesn't allow them in anymore! Thanks, Lew. Your marketing strategy and snob appeal isn't working.  Open the upper deck and get Carlos Lee, and there will be no attendance problem.

4. "AUTO RACING IS A SPORT"

Even though this isn't a "baseball issue," the racing season is heating up and taking attention away from our game, so I had to say something about this growing plague and menace. Auto racing is a crime. Can you imagine paying to watch a bank robbery, at least one that Al Pacino wasn't part of?. Auto racing is against the law! It's speeding! It's reckless driving! Drivers basically try to run one another into walls at 200 miles an hour and the fans cheer. Are ESPN-televised car jackings and armed robberies far behind? Auto racing is a morbid, sadistic and voyeuristic ritual in which "fans" wait for horrific accidents. It's a celebration of violence and danger that makes boxing look gentle and benign. It is completely unjustifiable pollution and destruction of our increasingly fragile environment. If this trend continues of framing degenerate and exploitive addictions such as auto racing, mass poker, and gambling, and overtly sexually marketed marginal sports such as tennis, golf and pool, it won't be long before ESPN will be displaying nude full-body contact bowling and armed miniature golf tournaments and marketing them as sports. Auto racing is a vile, disgusting trashing of the planet and sets a really bad example of what to do with our resources and our time. Ychhhh.  

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The Lilly-Bonderman deal
also got us Durazo, who was pretty good and cheap for a couple years.

by baysidebomber on Jul 3, 2006 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually
Durazo was a free-agent pickup, not part of the Lilly-Bonderman deal.  

by rubin sierra on Jul 3, 2006 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, actually
The A's got Durazo in a 4 team trade in which they gave up pitcher Jason Arnold to Toronto.

by Larry E on Jul 3, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

that sounds right
not to be confused with the midseason three-team trade in which they got Lilly.  

by rubin sierra on Jul 3, 2006 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretty much agree on all accounts
or at least I don't disagree substantially.

I love the coliseum. My ideal would be for the Raiders to leave and the coliseum to be renovated to make it more baseball-friendly. of course, the A's haven't exactly asked my opinion on this.

I think what goes around comes around. Beane has had his share of "f'n A" trades, so he also has his share of "ugh" ones now.

agree totally on that Fenway measurement!

I pay no attention whatsoever to auto racing so I can't really comment on it.

by OaklandSi on Jul 3, 2006 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Im glad that this diary was fixed
because the diary in its original format, really pissed me off. I still think it lacks substance though...
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Jul 3, 2006 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes...
It was a textbook example of how political comments can really mess up the community dynamics quickly.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Jul 3, 2006 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Second that
The original was awful.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 3, 2006 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll third that...
I only wish that I was able to post my dissent before it was temporarily removed.  

I was fuming for a few minutes here at work

by drudown on Jul 3, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha...the auto racing thing is comedy
Talk about the most dramatic and over-reactive thing that could possibly be written.  Made me laugh at least.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 3, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Long live political censorship on AN
And relgious censorship.  There are reasons why wars are fought over these things.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 3, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

It's int he Guidelines...
There are a lot of place son-line you can go talk about politics....thank goodness this is not one of them.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 3, 2006 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL...
I was forced to take typing as an elective in high school.  I was entirely pissed....until I realized there were a LOT of girls in the class.  It's odd how it's become the most valuable skill (employment wise) I learned in HS.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 3, 2006 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.
I can't imagine more caustic and divisive subjects.  I certainly don't want to see them on my favorite baseball site.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 3, 2006 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't he the guy
that opened all those gas stations where I inevitably buy a burrito and pay the price for days?  
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 3, 2006 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep
save the neo hippie rants for your drum circle
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Jul 3, 2006 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah thanks, Skippee...
...for posting so effectively against political flame-entary.  
Dribble a little water along, and we might be mistook for ducklings--Silas Adams

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

did you even read the original
diary? if you did, my comments were much more in depth. That type of Mike Moore fact less ranting has nothing to do with baseball or the Oakland A's. Save it for Fox news or your smoke circle. We don't need fake hippie Jargon here.
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Jul 3, 2006 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point, skippy, was that railing...
...against political content with political content of your own is just a little disingenuous.  And then a lot more.  
Dribble a little water along, and we might be mistook for ducklings--Silas Adams

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2006 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey everybody, the political content
is gone. So why not concentrate on agreeing or disagreeing with the comments?

by OaklandSi on Jul 3, 2006 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Because I'm still pissed...
give me a moment...lol....better now.  I think he's confused on matters of law.  Racing cars is illegal...on public roadways.  Private racetracks are another matter.  And judging by the popularity of NASCAR, it's not likley to go away soon.  I personally find the sport boring.  But Iv'e been told that actually seeing a race is likely to change my views.  But I can barely afford my baseball habit, so I'm definatley not in the market for another habit to drain my finances, alienate me from my family (or seduce them into my addiction....which is what I have done, and I gotta pay for their habits as well).
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 3, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's true...
I never ever watch on TV....but races in person are amazingly fun.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 3, 2006 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's because you drink alot.
"74Oakland A's - Best Team Ever" - Homer Simpson

by secret ASian man on Jul 5, 2006 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Coliseum food???
There's a lot about the Coliseum that I don't mind, but I sure as hell don't include the food.  It's over-priced and ordinary, the lines are interminable and clog the tunnel, the service is slow and disorganized--what's to like?

And whilst I ranteth, why can't you buy beer from your seat?

Dribble a little water along, and we might be mistook for ducklings--Silas Adams

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2006 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a self-administered sobriety test...
If you're too drunk to get up and walk to the concession stands, you've had enough already.

Hard to beieve that some other value trumped the power of the almighty buck.

"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Jul 3, 2006 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree about the food
I don't understand why one of the more popular foods - chicken and garlic fries - are only at one stand? I loved how at AT&T pretty much every third stand sold garlic fries. And they really do clog the tunnel.
Stephen Colbert: "Kids who look up to athletes become athletes themselves."
The Word: Or bitter sports journalists.

by JLaff on Jul 3, 2006 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

(I guess that would be 2 of the more popular...)
Stephen Colbert: "Kids who look up to athletes become athletes themselves."
The Word: Or bitter sports journalists.

by JLaff on Jul 3, 2006 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taken out of context:
"garlic fries...they really do clog the tunnel"

--jlaff

Blueberry

by Ice Cream on Jul 3, 2006 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually like some of the offerings
such as the BBQ, the pulled pork sandwiches, the Taquito Tuesdays, the pastrami sandwiches, even the salads.

Of course, food is a pretty subjective thing...

by OaklandSi on Jul 3, 2006 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot has to do with ID's too...
Really hard to do the whole ID thing when someone is 8 seats in and people are trying to watch the game.  In addition, you can circumvent the 2 beers at once thing if you just buy from each vendor that comes by.

So it severely limits underage beer buying as well and keeps people from just getting hammered in their seats.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 3, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

California banned beer vendors in 1987
No CA ballpark has beer vendors anymore.  I assume other states' ballparks still do, though it's been a long time since I've seen first hand.
"I don't want to 'Wear It.' It doesn't match my shoes." --Jennifer

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 3, 2006 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know the Cubs do...
Was there a couple weeks ago and got beers from a vendor
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 3, 2006 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lilly-Bonderman and Bradley-Ethier...
were made for the same reasons. Beane makes these trades because in his position, with his budget, whenever he can acquire a productive, major-leage veteran for a prospect, he will make that trade every time.

Beane feels much more comfortable operating with "known quantities", i.e. ted Lilly who will give you a 4.00 ERA and 200 innings, rather than a high school phenom that "might" sport a sub-3.00 ERA SOMEDAY, or a Milton Bradley that will hit 20 homers, steal a few bases and play solid defense, rather than a hot prospect Ethier that might make it to the big leagues in a year or so.

This is not to say that these trades were necessarily justified or good for the overall team and organization in hindsight, but you have to at least understand the rationale of why the trades were made before you can criticize them.  

by Taj Adib on Jul 3, 2006 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah missed all the fun
Morbid curiousity I suppose.  If the commentary on racing is any indication, I missed seeing a spectular train wreck.  Damnit.

by znk916 on Jul 3, 2006 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Auto Racing isn't any more morbid than baseball.
And you are judgemental as hell.
What people choose to do for fun or excitement (Im sure not all the drivers started out millionaires) these fellas turned into a career. I think its admirable to have a dream of doing something you like and turning it into a rewarding career. Same as baseball players except behind the wheel of a car. Their endure 150 degrees plus in a firesuit for 3 to four hours straight in nascar. They get in accidents that put more Gs on their body than fighter pilots feel. Morbid? Ok well maybe a little. Is it any better than watching a collision at the plate? It takes an incredible amount of skill to drive a race car just as it does to hit a ball. Is racing a sport? Nah its just its own thing. But it doesnt make it anymore morbid than watching a guy getting hit in the head with a pitch.
Ok im off my racing soapbox now.
Have a nice day. GO A'S!!!
BRING BACK MIGGY!

by Ionnes on Jul 3, 2006 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Only one kind of REAL racing
And there are no turns... and they stopped doing it properly by about 1964...

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Jul 3, 2006 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know very little about drag racing
could you please tell me why they stopped doing it 'right' in 1964?  I am honestly curious.
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 3, 2006 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a real expert
But '64 was about the time drag racing became slicker and more organized, with cars that scored much lower on the Insane-O-Meter.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Jul 3, 2006 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roller Derby is better

"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Jul 3, 2006 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think that roller derby was real
Until that show came out.  I thought that it was just a hoax and urban myth.....
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 3, 2006 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm really confused....
"batman" writes a diary comparing US troops to Nazis and those who "support the troops" to Nazi sympathizers, and his diary is merely edited to remove any comments that violate the community guidelines?

this doesn't seem to be the same treatment that other people get when they violate AN's community guidelines.  
for example, a few days ago, some ANer posted a diary attacking baseballgirl and the diary was deleted, i'm assuming his account was deleted as well.  why wasn't the offensive material simply "removed per Community Guidelines" as in this case?

and what does that even mean, "removed per Community Guidelines"?  where in the community guidelines does it say that if you write something that violates the guidelines, that is all that will happen to you?

is it because louismg is one of the people who has the power to make these decisions and was defending batman's comments?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow...
I didnt even know that happened. And i thought the racing comment was off base. You bring up good points. I have the same questions as you O_o?
BRING BACK MIGGY!

by Ionnes on Jul 3, 2006 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

i posted a new diary
because the content of this diary (now) has nothing to do with the issues that i brought up in my previous post.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

the death threats
the death threats that a user posted in response were not cool either.  Was the simple deletion of those comments a defense of them?
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 3, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those weren't defended.
We're all aware of those comments and their poster, and those comments won't be tolerated. As all of the comments in the previous iteration of this diary were responding to that portion since deleted, the comments were deleted as well. (Mine included)

by louismg on Jul 3, 2006 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't suggesting that they were
Rather, I was using the original logic and extending it to disprove it.
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 3, 2006 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

death threats?
i criticized novaoakland for his unacceptable comment in the earlier version of the diary, but was it a death threat?  
i don't remember the exact wording, but it seemed more like "go die" than "i'm going to kill you"...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's move on
xbx - we want the AN community to grow and be inclusive as much as you do, so let's please take a deep breath and figure out how the team is going to kick Tiger butt.

There's no reason to recreate the previous issues.

by louismg on Jul 3, 2006 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry, i have no final solution
for the tiger question...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough
I interperted them differently than you did.  No worries.

Lets sweep the tigers, OK?

"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 3, 2006 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

i didn't know the definition
of "death threat" was really even debatable...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said it was
Rather, I thought that his statements were rather threatening and suggesting that the person to whom he was speaking should die.  That certainly could be seen as a death threat.
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 3, 2006 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

did he say "should" die?
i think you're wrong, i don't think he did.  of course, the comments are now gone, so i can't be certain.

but even if he did, how is that a death threat?  
for example, if i say "ozzie guillen should die" is that a death threat?
try reporting that to the police and see how far you get...

a death threat:
-must be a "threat"
-must be a threat to kill a person

some might say that it must also put the person in immediate fear of imminent danger...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the record
I MADE NO DEATH THREAT.

That is insulting and frankly libelous content..

I simply wished he would die and never see another baseball game. For a full list of people i wish would die and to see if you made the list visit.

WWW.peopleIhopediesoon.com

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 3, 2006 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree
that's not a death threat under any reasonable definition of the term.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Threatened?
Relax, I don't feel threatened. But I do believe in the constitutional principle, apparently ignored by the A's, of absolute separation of baseball and state. Regardless, if they beat the Tigers tonight everyone will feel better . . .

by froggiethegremlin on Jul 3, 2006 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy any post
that contains the qualifying phrase, "I simply wished he would die."
I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never read the original
But I liked the writing style in this Pravda version. Enjoyable diary.

As to all the censorship issues. Well, I suppose someone will need to step in now and then and exercise good judgment if what's being posted is just offensive trash.

But was a criticism of baseballgirl's Saturday wrap really deleted. That seems pretty thin-skinned. If I remember right it wasn't all that bad and she had plenty of defenders.

Anyway, whoever is in the business of censoring/deleting, I'd appreciate it if you'd delete the next diary that blames Macha for burning out his bullpen and sticking with his starters too long. If these writers just can't see the inherent contradiction in their arguments, we should just expurgate them or redact them or just ban them permanently.

by RLangford on Jul 3, 2006 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

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