Negativity Flowing from the Need to be First
(I admit the title is misleading if you think that by "to be first" I meant in the standings...)
Anyone who visits AN with any kind of frequency knows what I'm talking about - and the symptoms can be found anywhere on the Internet - there is a great desire to make your mark to be the very first to come up with an outlandish, wild suggestion that varies from the mainstream, in the opportunity that you may someday be looked back on as a prophet or a hero.
If I looked at the A's on May 1, put my finger in the air, and said, "Wow, this looks like it'll be a crappy month..." and "Oh yeah, Harden looks like he's going to be hurt for a while", I could probably have put that in my sig file, and would have been revered, if that were an actually valued quality.
So we've seen people jump to be the first to come to conclusions. If the A's fall behind 5-0 to the Tigers in the 1st inning, people post "The game is over." "I'm sick of watching this team." or "Billy Beane couldn't manage a Dairy Queen." But, though those seem like insurmountable odds, we know now that the A's actually won one of those two games in that situation. As people had given up on the game, the A's roared back with 5 of their own and won 9-5. In fact, in the game thread during the inning where the A's were scoring their five runs, people, with 2 outs, were saying "Wow, the A's should have gotten more than 2 in this situation," as if the final out had already occurred and the A's had fallen short.
So while we very publicly see a race to be the first to not only declare the season to be a loss, but that the team needs to be gutted, it's not so much a story of frustration as A's fans, but a sample of the bigger race to be first to say it. While calling for "Fire Macha Now" is now seen as trite, an AN inside joke, the call is now to "Fire Macha and Beane and 20 of the 25 on the roster". That's new. That's different.
We also see that race at the smallest of levels. "Dang, Crosby got a first-pitch strike. He swung through that thing. He's going to K." If I'm the first to say it, I'm a baseball analyst god. If I was wrong, then I say that about the next guy, and so on. I'm bound to be right sometime.
You see posters who are calling for the team's beheading after one bad game, a bad play, bad at bat, or a bad pitch. The idea behind being the first to make an outlandish claim, no matter how foolish, is that in the possibility you are right, people can look back at you and bask in your aura that you were right, and the first to do so. You're a friggin' prophet. And if you're wrong, make the same prediction the following day, and you just might get right the next time. By then, you are a hero who lives on the edge - albeit in the face of reality.
I'm not claiming the A's are going to win it all this year - though I certainly hope so, and will push them onward until they go home with a trophy or are eliminated. As an A's fan, it's my job to root for a great season. But we have to be resolute as fans that we don't live for the need to be first to give up early or to call for ridiculous measures and over-reactions. There will come a time in the next few decades, most likely, that this team could actually suck, not like they do now, but for real... it happens cyclically. And we aren't going to give up on this team, or this site. Surely, we are bigger than that.
So when you see people jumping to conclusions and trying to be first to make an outlandish claim or suggestion, at least you know, these aren't bad people... they just have a need for attention and this is their cry for help.
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Sheesh, oaktoon
by grover on
Jul 25, 2006 8:05 AM PDT
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They've lost all credibility...
Wash, rinse, repeat...
Predict, project, revise, repeat...ad nauseum.
by McFood on
Jul 25, 2006 8:17 AM PDT
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but Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific!
by Poppy on
Jul 25, 2006 8:25 AM PDT
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Thank you
by Squeaky on
Jul 25, 2006 8:27 AM PDT
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Oh, but the DLD is always fun!
by salb918 on
Jul 25, 2006 8:55 AM PDT
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But we need a new one.
by Poppy on
Jul 25, 2006 8:58 AM PDT
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That's why I like to stay there
by Squeaky on
Jul 25, 2006 9:01 AM PDT
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Very well said.
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover
by baseballgirl on
Jul 25, 2006 9:16 AM PDT
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Thank you.
by Jjjsixsix on
Jul 25, 2006 9:28 AM PDT
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to be frank ...
Imagine, if you will, that oaktoon had posted a diary that was the inverse of this one: an attack on the motivations and mentalités of all the people who have a positive attitude about the team, and one that didn't engage any of the substantive arguments put forth by the unnamed posters he was implicitly attacking.
louismg, I do somewhat agree with your sentiments, but I think you're casting a pretty wide net without any specifics.
I'm as sick of the game-thread trolls as anyone else, but your diary to me seems like an attack on grovetoon more than the GTTs.
by monkeyball on
Jul 25, 2006 10:01 AM PDT
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My dear sapien...
The need to be first extends beyond sports. It extends to forecasting in politics, technology, and news. You can see it as becoming part of the Web media gets easier and easier, and barriers are removed.
But I feel like I know AN pretty well, and this is a great microcosm.
However, if you think it's a CGV, you know what to do. :-)
by louismg on
Jul 25, 2006 10:04 AM PDT
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I did say "verge" :)
While I do in fact agree with certain aspects of your assessment, I feel I've said my piece on the remainder and I will certainly take you at your word that you didn't intend an attack.
by monkeyball on
Jul 25, 2006 10:15 AM PDT
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As a half-Italian
Whether or not the attack was direct or not does not matter, I recognized who this diary was primarily directed at. I think its a fair response, but I would have respected you more if you had come directly at me.
Now, I don't think I've suggested anything that is foolish or ridiculous. I'm not seeking attention and I'm certainly not crying for help. I see things a certain way and I can back up why I feel the way I do. If you want to attack my ideas then go ahead, just come at me with something more than Joy-Joy thoughts and Hope.
And if you just want to come after me... :)
I can play that game too.
by grover on
Jul 25, 2006 10:58 AM PDT
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Just for the record...
There's a DIFFERENCE with your posting. You know it, and the rest of us know it too. There is a way to be negative, even going as far as saying "I think this team should be blown up in a constructive way" without alienating people who disagree.
Kudos.
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover
by baseballgirl on
Jul 25, 2006 11:05 AM PDT
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I don't agree with all the stuff I write either
by grover on
Jul 25, 2006 11:16 AM PDT
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It's not you.
by louismg on
Jul 25, 2006 11:10 AM PDT
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Monkeyball is a clever simian
:)
by grover on
Jul 25, 2006 11:18 AM PDT
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That may be, but the truth is...
Delivery is everything. You can be 100% right, but if you say it poorly enough, you will not only not prove your point, but also cause those who might have agreed with you initially to take a different road, just to be disassociated from the crazy.
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover
by baseballgirl on
Jul 25, 2006 11:57 AM PDT
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I'II tell you what's getting tiring:
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need to write a fuckin' diary.
Holy fuck.....!
by bigelephant on
Jul 25, 2006 10:22 AM PDT
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you and Jennifer both!
by monkeyball on
Jul 25, 2006 10:33 AM PDT
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<buys URL>
by monkeyball on
Jul 25, 2006 10:34 AM PDT
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{passes the cuss jar}
by Poppy on
Jul 25, 2006 10:43 AM PDT
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<revs up Segway>
by salb918 on
Jul 25, 2006 10:50 AM PDT
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Yes!!!
It's funny though. Grover just posted a diary addressing how he thinks the team is going nowhere. It did not bother in any way and in fact, I found it interesting. Yet Oaktoon can post a similar diary and for some reason it gets under my skin. I think it's becuase Grover has been more even-keeled the entire season and hasn't used repeated sledgehammer blows to try to get his points across.
-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on
Jul 25, 2006 11:33 AM PDT
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Well
by grover on
Jul 25, 2006 11:35 AM PDT
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Damned Oblique!
-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on
Jul 25, 2006 11:45 AM PDT
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Good analysis of how people work
Now, we're seeing it on the large scale. That is: Blow up the team. I think that's an honest assessment by some people, but also just a cry for change brought on by what has been an often depressing season. Oaktoon and grover (who I don't think your post is solely directed at--clearly not) are big time fans, and very smart guys about baseball. But I definitely think that what you're talking about is at play in their response to the team--maybe not to be the first to say it, so much as just to say it, to say something proactive out of the frustration that is this season.
by RLangford on
Jul 25, 2006 10:33 AM PDT
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It's interesting to me, RLangford,
To me, there's a big difference between just being extreme and loud, just being an effective "shock jock" who is good at generating attention and response, and being "smart about baseball".
by Nico on
Jul 25, 2006 1:47 PM PDT
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Why do you do this, Nico???
Blez-- I won't report this as a CGV-- but whatever Nico is doing, it's cruel, it's mean, and it should violate any community standards.
Now-- do you want to talk facts??
- i supported the Hudson and Mulder trades. I'd say I was a) right to do so and b) right about one of the two in terms of what we got back;
- I thought last year's team would be good, not great. I mistakenly believed they would beat out the Angels and win the division. Again, I-- and many others-- get partial credit there;
- I got real down on this team last May-- Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! And that feeling essentially has gained me an inaccurate reputation, because....
- however wrong I was in May I was dead right in June, July, and through mid-August-- in fact, much more right than anyone on this site when i correctly and, yes repeatedly said they were going to keep winning and winning. The attack on me for this "flip-flop" has always been, IMHO, tinged with envy that those who attacked didn't have the foresight or the cojones to see the transformation.
- before this season, I-- and many others, including a lot of so-called "experts" who are paid to give baseball commentary-- thought this was now a very good team-- a legitimate WS contender-- and I opined that they would win over 95 games and had a decent shot to win 100.
- When the rash of injuries hit in April and May I and anyone that was sane downgraded our expectations. i think the consensus of most of us was that while they weren't gonna go out and win 100 games they could still win the division, particularly given the Angels slow start, and if reasonably healthy would have a decent shot at advancing in the postseason. When the 10 game winning streak occurred needless to say I intensified that viewpoint.
As to individual players, I was right about Zito this year; i did defend Crosby and he let us all down; I'm in the middle about Swisher.
But I do give opinions-- as opposed to a lot who don't-- I do make predictions. and yes I am fallible.
"I can't think of anyone who has been more consistently wrong and doesn't learn from mistakes" is a bald-faced lie. And I am tired of the personal invective. Last night-- unprovoked, you called me-- veiled as you not so subtly were-- an "idiot" and a "masochist". And now this??
I wonder-- what's the deal with you?
by oaktoon on
Jul 25, 2006 11:19 PM PDT
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"Fresh squeezed horse juice!
by Nico on
Jul 26, 2006 12:12 PM PDT
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loiusmg, I'm pretty sure I said this first.
by salb918 on
Jul 25, 2006 10:38 AM PDT
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No, it was me.
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover
by baseballgirl on
Jul 25, 2006 10:50 AM PDT
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Hello? Late to the table, party of three?!?!
by McFood on
Jul 25, 2006 11:03 AM PDT
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Fan fanatic compulsion
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and what you bring is not the same as others.
Enjoy it all.
by Billy Ball 2005 on
Jul 25, 2006 10:46 AM PDT
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I think
I am the first one to have said all these important things, and every one of you is thereby required to build a shrine to me in your homes, complete with psychedelic-patterned votive candles and Big League Chew-scented incense.
That is all.
by emperor nobody on
Jul 25, 2006 12:04 PM PDT
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I still think this A's season will turn around...
But seriously, it might help...maybe???
by Colorado Fan on
Jul 25, 2006 2:12 PM PDT
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please tell me
Maybe everyone who is constantly ragging on it would like it better if I changed it to 1972...1973...1974...1989...2010 Las Vegas Athletics
This is a fan site, aren't we supposed to dream big dreams for our team? It's like you get skewered for pessimism and skewered for optimism just the same up here.
by emperor nobody on
Jul 25, 2006 3:18 PM PDT
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Yum, emporer kabobs!
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jul 25, 2006 3:58 PM PDT
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Superstitions
- Sometimes ballplayers go with High Socks to change things up.
- Sometimes ballplayers 'hit' a slumpbuster, to get out of an 0-fer whatever.
- emperor nobody should change the 2006...at least give it a try.
by Colorado Fan on
Jul 26, 2006 11:33 AM PDT
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how silly is this becoming?
by fadedash on
Jul 25, 2006 3:57 PM PDT
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Hmm...fadedash, on a scale
by Nico on
Jul 25, 2006 4:02 PM PDT
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but i don't know anything about fish
by fadedash on
Jul 25, 2006 5:20 PM PDT
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Exactly as much as Fresca is--
<has pi for dessert>
by Nico on
Jul 25, 2006 5:28 PM PDT
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<has Amaury Pi-Gonz?lez for dinner>
by monkeyball on
Jul 25, 2006 5:32 PM PDT
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"the need to be first"...
This guy would invariably "call" the race before it was half-over by declaring a particular horse the winner and, on most occasions, the horse would lose.
Got to be a running joke for those of us that had to endure it.
by Ice Cream on
Jul 25, 2006 4:46 PM PDT
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