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Harden on DL Again

Ok so I am new here, (Hi!) I have left couple of comments in the game threads but I haven't really introduced myself.  So this is my first offical Hi!  Hope to become part of the AN clan!

Also I ran by this morning much to my dismay.  I hate to start off the morning with bad news but I knew that if this turns out to be true then I would have a bunch of sympathetic shoulders to cry on!

Don't know how to put up a link so I just copy and pasted this from the fox sports page!

 Disturbing news for the A's. Right-hander Rich Harden is back on the disabled list, this time with a sprained ligament in his right elbow.

Harden, 24, was out from April 26 until last Thursday with a lower back strain. He pitched four innings against the Twins in his return start. An MRI revealed his latest injury.
The A's expect to shut down Harden for a week, then re-evaluate him. He will be replaced on the 25-man roster by right-hander Esteban Loaiza, who will be activated from the D.L. to start against the Indians on Thursday afternoon.

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No problem...
but I really wish your first diary was a little more cheerful. Maybe some good news? Is that a little too much to ask for?

Mother of <censored>!

<slits wrists>

by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2006 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Needless to say....
This is devastating news.

I think two things I've been saying-- despite BZ's "salb" influenced bad start Tuesday in Cleveland-- bear repeating:

  1. This season just seems plain jinxed;
  2. Zito is the guy worth investing in long term, not Harden. Though the latter's trade value has just plummeted if this is a serious elbow injury;
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 8, 2006 7:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, it was all my fault.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey, I was trying...
to be humourous in the midst of this horrible news!!
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 8, 2006 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry.
I'm a little on edge.  Although I'm sure someone, somewhere, is blaming ME for the Harden injury.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am.
;)
I don't think Brad's going to be able to sex the Ranger's lineup to death. -- Jennifer

by Sharon on Jun 8, 2006 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

pitch forks and pikes being
readied, trying to find some peasants to hold them and march on your house.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005...in 2006?...prove it.

by ak_A on Jun 8, 2006 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

ummmm....
<racks brain for some good news>

got nothing sorry!!!! too emotional to think rational.

by asfaninTX on Jun 8, 2006 7:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, that sucks
Welcome, Tex. What part of the Lone Star state you from?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Jun 8, 2006 7:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the welcome
I am living in the texas-sized city of Houston!  Yep what an A's fan I am, I am living in a city that shares a name with one of our players

by asfaninTX on Jun 8, 2006 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That makes at least three...
That makes at least three of us in Houston; one of my old Bay Area roomies is here as well.

by AAAAAces on Jun 8, 2006 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe it.
I swear, one full year with that kid and the pennant is ours.

Seeing that news on Fox Sports just broke my brain. I mean... Rich Freaking Harden, I'm ready to give up on him because it's heartbreaking every time.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 8, 2006 7:08 AM PDT reply actions  

One full year with that kid
may very well be the true Holy Grail-- and unattainable to boot.
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 8, 2006 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

One full year of Harden
is Erubiel Durazo??  BWAH!??
GO WHITE SHOES!!!
--
My Blog.

by rungood on Jun 9, 2006 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

SHIT!!!!!
Don't know what else to say!!!
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 7:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate Rosenthal.
I don't think Brad's going to be able to sex the Ranger's lineup to death. -- Jennifer

by Sharon on Jun 8, 2006 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know....
I think I am in denial too.  I just can't accept this!

by asfaninTX on Jun 8, 2006 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watched.
Now I understand the root of xbox's rage.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude...
I missed that part. The people I went with wanted. to. leave. early. We left in the sixth.

We also had shitty seats. For a suite, it sucked.

by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2006 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

so you weren't
one of the "100 or so friends and family who trekked across Missouri hoping to see Bobby Keppel's first major league victory"?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 8, 2006 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm about to cry.
Larry Davis couldn't treat a cold-Tony My.....Space?

by ohad on Jun 8, 2006 7:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm sick to my stomach
and just put on ESPN at work - they aren't saying anything to confirm/deny this because counting down to the NBA finals it apparently WAAAAAY more important <gags>. What's the chance FoxSports is just lying? How serious serious is something like this? WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!?!

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 7:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd prefer this diary deleted
And all memory of this incident erased.
Larry Davis couldn't treat a cold-Tony My.....Space?

by ohad on Jun 8, 2006 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

i can't find it anywhere else
i hope it's wrong, i hope it's wrong, if not i think i'll just DIE.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

no, its legit
go to the transaction section of the a's on ESPN...they called up loiaza, and put harden on the 15 day DL, retroactive to monday
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Jun 8, 2006 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

good bye world
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

well if they backdated to the 5th...
Harden will be back HAHAHAHA on Tuesday the 20th.

He probably just felt a tweak, and no need to rush him....

$1000 worth of liquor for Cupcakes and Swish and 'friends'. Hope it worked...

by jrwolf on Jun 8, 2006 7:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Rotoworld point out
TJ surgery is possible if it doesn't get right in a week or two. That would end not only his season but ours as well (not to mention the damage this would cause next years team).

by oakfan97 on Jun 8, 2006 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Forget 6/6/06
6/8/06 is now truly the day of the devil

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 7:55 AM PDT reply actions  

dammittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-The Committee is accepting new memberships (please pay in Yen). "Raking" numbers soon to be posted.

by bigelephant on Jun 8, 2006 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

that the best you can do?
holy f*cking crap. and i don't typically use such language.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Time to...
Time to hitch the A's wagon to Zito for the next 5-6 years; and trade the oft-injured Harden to some NL sucker i.e. the Snakes or Trolleydodgers!

by AAAAAces on Jun 8, 2006 8:15 AM PDT reply actions  

You're going to get some great value for Harden;
he's good for at least 10 wins a season.

by DeeWayne on Jun 8, 2006 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Best Wishes From Texas
We do not want Texas to win the division because of injuries. Hope Harden is back soon.

by Texasportsfan @ Athletics Nation on Jun 8, 2006 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

i love my brother
nothing seems to faze him. i told him about the news and all he said was 'Dude' to which i started sobbing hysterically.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Try getting a sympathetic ear
in the New York/New Jersey metro area when the A's are coming to town this weekend (God, I was talking soooo much smack yesterday about Saturday's upcoming game too) no one cares about my pity party over here but you guys - can someone hug me. . .

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

<hugs>
i know what it's like there.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks
I actually feel a little better now - ok now what do I do with the giant poster I made for Saturday's game - It was really cute it said "Rich, I'd go Canadian for you" <begins sobbing again>

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

<sobs with Andrea>
<people staring at us strangely>
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too despondent to care : (
Do you think he'll still make the trip with the team?

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't think so
he will probaly be evaluated by doctors during that time.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Take it to the game anyway...
gotta show that love!
"Listen, my attitude is a whole lot better when we win..." Our favorite GM

by LongTimeFan on Jun 8, 2006 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The gun?
Kidding - but I would blend well in the Bronx I tell ya! ok, I'll bring it- Look for me on TV 'cause I'll try my damndest to represent!

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't breath
I didn't want to believe it, but I checked the A's site as well and the press release about re-activating Loiza also says that Harden was put back on the DL.

Why is there a rain cloud following me?

by twinkle toes on Jun 8, 2006 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh shit.
Oh man, what a way to start the morning.
Nothing says fun like Premium Meat!

by lurkerD on Jun 8, 2006 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

*I* started the morning...
...having to call the cops (who called a tow truck) on the jackass that parked across my driveway, making me an hour and a half late to work.  That was better than this.
Putting the "fun" in "perfunctory"

by Poppy on Jun 8, 2006 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

did they have to tow the jackass?
Usually, you can just lead them away with a carrot.
I thought you were a promiscuous gal from Oroville. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jackasses like that
should be towed/led away with a carrot to the nearest rendering plant and turned into glue.
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

when i first read it i really didn't believe it
i assumed this was a tasteless joke. i wish it were. this sucks really bad. i don't think it means the season's doomed, but it ain't helping.
Zito: You ever think about the space time continuum?
Huddy: Uh... no.

by mendelbob on Jun 8, 2006 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

worse impact for the playoffs, I think
Even with Harden out some/most of the reg season, I still think we win the West fairly comfortably.

But no Harden in the playoffs = yet another first-round exit.

I thought you were a promiscuous gal from Oroville. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

sample size
Anyone still willing to claim that Harden ain't injury prone?
I thought you were a promiscuous gal from Oroville. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

{sobs uncontrollably}
{wipes snotty nose on monkeyball's arm fur}
Putting the "fun" in "perfunctory"

by Poppy on Jun 8, 2006 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

you have a lot of snot
and i still say keep away
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey, I'm crying all morning
That generates a lot of snot.  Watch your shoes.
Putting the "fun" in "perfunctory"

by Poppy on Jun 8, 2006 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

<runs away>
i've been crying too.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

<administers eyedrops>
Hey, I'm not wearing any shoes!
I thought you were a promiscuous gal from Oroville. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

sick, just sick
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.
If this is a cascade injury, this can be considered an extension of the first injury.  It doesn't add (or subtract) from the "Harden-is-injury-prone" argument.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

fair 'nuff
So you'd then have to fall on the "The A's medical/training staff is incompetent" and/or the "Rich Harden is a bullheaded dolt" side of the equation?
I thought you were a promiscuous gal from Oroville. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

THAT
is exactly what I'm wondering about this morning.

Is the A's medical/training staff incompetent?  And if Rich Harden is a bullheaded dolt, do the A's have any responsibility/ability to save him (or any player) from himself?

Nothing says fun like Premium Meat!

by lurkerD on Jun 8, 2006 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is this what happens ...
when I guy takes steroids, works out like a maniac, then goes off them and works out harder to keep the muscle tone up, but the ligaments can't support the pull from the oversized muscle?
Just asking.  (No one is spared is the suspicion these days.)

by iceplant on Jun 8, 2006 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

my guess: just the opposite
Virtually all of the A's injuries the last 3-4 years have been more of the not taking steroids/HGH variety: relatively minor strains and pulls that are the result of muscle/joint fatigue -- precisely the kind that taking steroids/HGH can help avoid. The A's haven't seen any grisly Benitez-style muscle/ligament tearing away from bone-style injuries -- i.e., the type you expect from immense muscle mass unsupprtable by the player's frame.

My guess is that the A's have been intentionally and diligently clean at the ML level for the last 3-4 years.

I thought you were a promiscuous gal from Oroville. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

so what you're saying is ..
get smoe mf-in' steriods into those mf-in' A's!

by rubin sierra on Jun 8, 2006 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually, no
I'm saying that I admire Beane for both his principles and his planning (to get ready for the substance bans), but I scorn him for not having the training and medical staff prepared to deal more effectively with the myriad small injuries.

If, of course, my supposition is true.

bunt you hump @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh ... umm ... I see
<runs back to medicine cabinet, puts away steroids.  Comes running back with-->

so what you were saying was, put some mf-in medicinal marijuana in those mf-in' players!

by rubin sierra on Jun 8, 2006 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

LET'S GO OAKSTERDAM!
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Jun 8, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The monkey is on a roll
(With a certain aforementioned sauce and rice dish on the side.) I'm getting Hungary.
A's 2006 record when I attend: 4-5

by peanut gallery on Jun 8, 2006 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me...
... but I think Dan Johnson looks stonier than Haren-it's the look on his face. Haren's trying too hard for that "Loadie SoCal Dude" look, while Johnson looks like he's spent those long Minnesota winters hunched over a Field Expedient Combustible Intoxicant Delivery System, probably in an ice-fishing hut.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Jun 8, 2006 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

personally, I use a ...
Field Expedient Cannabis Expulsion System
bunt you hump @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dateline: Heaven
God today confirmed the widely circulated story that he had shifted the focus of his malevolent American League cursing efforts onto the Oakland A's.  With perennial cursed franchises in Boston and Chicago having escaped the wrath of God by winning championships in recent years, most observers believed the designation of a new least favored team was only a matter of time.

A plague of injuries visited upon the A's roster was understood by insiders to be the first manifestation of the new curse.  A Heaven operative with first-hand knowledge allowed that "the injuries are just the beginning.  Oakland fans should watch out for locusts, frogs, and above all should avoid the reddening waters of the East Creek Slough."

God also reminded Cubs fans that they're still on the hook for National League wrath.

Better luck is just a standard deviation away.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 8, 2006 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

A friend and I have a running joke
that God hates the A's.
"I really don't see how it affects me that directly except for doing these interviews." -- Brad Halsey on giving up No. 714

by day-to-day on Jun 8, 2006 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have officially run out
of things to throw.
"I really don't see how it affects me that directly except for doing these interviews." -- Brad Halsey on giving up No. 714

by day-to-day on Jun 8, 2006 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

throw yourself
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Throw up
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

on yourself
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then call your dog
to clean it up.
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

in my case dogs
it will get done faster.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's amazing...
since I got my dog, I haven't had to clean my kitchen floor in two years.  She's very efficient.
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

my female dog does the same thing
i wouldn't have to take out the garbage either if i let her eat that.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh
That does make me want to throw up on myself.
"I really don't see how it affects me that directly except for doing these interviews." -- Brad Halsey on giving up No. 714

by day-to-day on Jun 8, 2006 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then you'll have a happy, happy dog
guaranteed!
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol
"I really don't see how it affects me that directly except for doing these interviews." -- Brad Halsey on giving up No. 714

by day-to-day on Jun 8, 2006 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only I had access to a tall building...
"I really don't see how it affects me that directly except for doing these interviews." -- Brad Halsey on giving up No. 714

by day-to-day on Jun 8, 2006 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rotoworld not optimsitc
Athletics placed RHP Rich Harden on the disabled list, retroactive to June 5, with a sprained elbow ligament.
Harden lasted just one start between injuries, coming off the DL from a back problem on Sunday. The A's don't expect Harden to need an operation, but this kind of thing can lead to Tommy John surgery. It's going to depend on whether he can throw pain-free a couple of weeks from now. Jun. 8 - 12:44 pm et

by oakfan97 on Jun 8, 2006 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm going to take a flying leap
All right. I'm going to see the A's at Coors in ten days or so. Rich was going to be pitching. Is there ANY chance that he'll be back by then? I didn't think so. I cannot tell you how much I was looking forward to see him pitching there. I am heartbroken, and I mean that sincerely. I'm furious at him for being injured, not getting injured. Why does he have to get injured the second he comes back? It isn't fair. Like I said, I'm completely heartbroken and completely furious. I can't believe this. Is God mad at him for some reason? Is this karma? Is someone out there cursing him and the whole bloody team?!

I need help. I'm so depressed.

Not all who wander are lost. The rest, they say, are history.

by Squeaky on Jun 8, 2006 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

i need help too
i've been crying and laughing to keep from crying all day.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm beginning to think
that he brutally murdered small children and drowned puppies and kittens in a previous life.

And I too was pumped about seeing Rich; for me it would have been Saturday at Yankee Stadium. It seems like every time he's on turn to pitch in a game I'm going to, he gets hurt. Huh.

"I really don't see how it affects me that directly except for doing these interviews." -- Brad Halsey on giving up No. 714

by day-to-day on Jun 8, 2006 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

97 MPH
That's how hard he was throwing, amazing I know this is frustrating but the best we can hope for is the least of 15 days.
"Talk about impressive. My point is this: Break's over."- Josiah Bartlet

by doublehustle22 on Jun 8, 2006 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey there
A's Fan in Texas.  This is TexA'sFan.  Where are you  in Texas?  Are you another Bay Area native stuck here in the Lone Star State?  

I'm in Austin, by the way.  Sort of the Texas version of Berkeley.  If you've gotta live in Texas, live in Austin.  

Hopefully Loiaza's performance today will soften the blow of Harden.  And luckily you've found the place where there are a lot of sympathetic shoulders to cry on...  as well as people willing to join you in a group primal scream.  

Welcome to the madness.

by BlueMoon68 on Jun 8, 2006 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Hi
I am living in Houston and have been here for about two years.  Previously I lived in Arizona and that is where my love for the A's took hold.  Gotta love Spring Training...nothing like it.  I see by the response that there are many shoulders to cry and and many people to throw chairs with!

Thanks for the welcome!

by asfaninTX on Jun 8, 2006 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

<sob>
Seriously.

What a crappy morning.

by whiteshoes40 on Jun 8, 2006 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Whats with this guy?
He can't even turn on his alarm clock without getting hurt.

by KMoAsFan on Jun 8, 2006 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

i'm pretty sure that's how he did it
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

the kid is a watse at this point
he's no good to us constantly hurt.  How in God's name can he be rehabbing for a month, Davis says he's ready to start, he starts and is immediately injured with something that will likely need surgery...its ridiculous.  Open up the purse strings, keep Zito and let Harden do whatever it is he's going to do.  He's basically a 10 game winner in a good year.  Moneyball only works to point.  WE NEED A CHAMPIONSIP!!!
tdwclark

by tdwclark on Jun 8, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow
Over-react much?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Jun 8, 2006 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

FIRE HARDEN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!
He went out there to get back and help  his team out and maybe it was too soon, maybe he pushed too hard but ligament strains in athletes happen ALL THE TIME - even weekend gym warriors get them its just a matter of a little rest - the team website is saying NO SURGERY so it is what it is - a strain. done. Who can blame him for wanting to be a productive part of the team? It must be sooo frustrating to sit there and watch and know that you should be out there but your body keeps letting you down for NO REASON then you watch these other morons take the easy road, hit a cycle of 'roids and get all kinds of credit. Not cool.

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree
If Harden was 35, perhaps the A's wouldn't put him on the shelf.  The weird thing about all the Harden injuries is that he still can pitch with them, but the A's don't want him to overcompensate and go the T.J. /shoulder surgery route which sometimes occurs when pitchers have to change their mechanics.

by jakarta on Jun 8, 2006 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is
changing his mechanics may take away the velocity on his fastball. The violence in his pitching motion is what makes him sooo effective and make him sooo susceptible to injury so how do you handle that? In that case is it better for him to step into a role of set-up man or closer so he can kill it for 1 or 2 innings and at the same time save his body?

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was meant to be tongue in cheek :-)
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 8, 2006 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

overreact to what?
its simply the reality of what has transpired...and I beleive some others on here might tend to agree, although they might spell better.
tdwclark

by tdwclark on Jun 8, 2006 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

well
you did spell believe wrong.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm very sensitive today
<chagrined smile> I ran 15 miles after I heard this news (no joke) and still want to rip someones head off. 1 hour to (not-so)happy hour by me and it can't come soon enough!

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

KaraBlog on espn.com
Another take on Harden - quote from Eric Karabell on espn.com.  I hope he's wrong and realize he's just a fantasy writer:

"Stick a fork in Rich Harden. He's done. The A's put him back on the disabled list, and the AL version of Mark Prior is likely going to need surgery, possibly the Tommy John variety, though that hasn't been announced and it's certainly possible he can avoid it. But really, most signs are pointing to this. And yes, it would be poor sportsmanship for you to trade Harden in your league without sharing this news to your trade partner. Some ethics should be followed."

by the stare on Jun 8, 2006 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

perhaps throwing even harder?
Seems the trend with many TJ arms nowadays is to gain 2-3 mph postsurgery.

Of course, those are generally bigger guys than Rich, whose bodies can sustain more torque while their arms are the weak point.

bunt you hump @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is that
flamethrowers who could throw at 97 see their velocity dip as they head toward TJ.  They throw at 94, blow out their elbow, get the ligament reattached, rehab and bingo-bango! they're throwing 97 again.  Everybody thinks TJ added velocity when in reality it probably just gets them back to where they were when they were healthy.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm no injury expert.
My gut tells me no, but I'm not sure.  Both appear to have cascade injuries.  Prior has turned in one healthy season, and so has Harden.  However, Prior had mostly traumatic injuries (the Giles incident) and Harden has had nagging injuries (oblique).  Prior has taken a long time in his returns, whereas Harden has been pretty quick.

At this point, I wouldn't compare the two.

Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

nagging injuries
Ruptured left eardrum from his mom telling him to take out the trash, and ruptured right eardrum from Beane telling him not train so hard in the offseason?
bunt you hump @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you hear
that Mike Scioscia called out Figgins for not hustling?

They're putting Chone on the DL with heart problems.

Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Jun 8, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can somebody change the
poll question? Because it's making me tear up again

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

if you have frustrations Andrea
do what i did. wash all the floors in your house.and i'm not talking swiffer, on your hands and knees with a bucket of water and a rag.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was under the impression that i was Jay
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

monkeyball
you are pure unadulterated genious.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok - Whoa.
I don't know if it'll EVER be that serious that I'd be motivated to voluntarily clean -I mean I love the boy but I'd rather kick the crap out of the treadmill again , but hi-five on the productive use of your frustration.

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

on the other hand
nothing will EVER be so serious that i kick the crap out of my treadmill.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok now THAT's just funny
thank you for lifting my spirits! See, I'm going for the torn meniscus so maybe we can rehab together ( knee, elbow, same thing right?)

by AndreafromNJ on Jun 8, 2006 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

right
i love spreading the joy.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on Jun 8, 2006 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade Zito
to the Royals for Zach Greinke

http://www.royalsreview.com

www.royalsreview.com

by Freneau on Jun 8, 2006 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

It is what it is...
Harden is injury prone and like many of you have said, he's not helping the team constantly being on the DL (obviously). Injuries aren't necessarily anyone's fault. Rich obviously is an intense competitor and wants to be out on the field helping his team. But...for the betterment of the team and the organization, we should get a reliable (physically) player for Harden. Does anyone think there's a chance that Harden could be packaged with some other players/prospects to get Lastings Milledge instead of Zito and that we'd sign Zito long term?

by oaklandboy on Jun 8, 2006 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

So much mention of
violence in his delivery, body not able to withstand torque, etc...  Have you people ever watched Harden pitch?  He has one of the smoothest deliveries you'll ever see.  He throws extremely hard, but looks like he's playing catch.  I don't know why he keeps getting hurt, but it certainly is possible that he just needs a few weeks rest.  The guy is young, has several years left on a fairly big contract and has a ceiling somewhere near Pluto.  The A's are secretive when it comes to injuries, but playing it safe would be the only sensible strategy if his elbow is just sore.  If he's out another 8 weeks he'll be back in early August.  That's plenty of time to make a big difference in the season AND to be the ace in the playoffs.  As long as Loaiza can be solid from here on out, and the rest of the staff pulls their weight, the A's will be fine.
Now, if Crosby is out for an extended period, well ... that's a different story.

by iceplant on Jun 8, 2006 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

no one's claiming he's got a violent delivery
But even the A's say that he, like Hudson, has such an efficient delivery that the torque he generates is too much for his frame/musculature to take.
bunt you hump @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ
Andrea did:
"The violence in his pitching motion is what makes him sooo effective and make him sooo susceptible to injury so how do you handle that?"

And the body torque he generates would account for lat, oblique, hip injuries, but far less likely a problem associated with elbow injuries.

In any case, Harden and Hudson's deliveries are very different.

by iceplant on Jun 8, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops
I missed that. Sorry.

As Sal pointed out, the elbow is likely a "cascade" injury, compensating with increased arm whip for what's likely still a tender/weak oblique.

And, yes, H&H's deliveries are different -- but their body types are similar (Rich has put on more muscle, though) as is the stress they put on their torsos.

bunt you hump @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2006 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

GAAAAGH!!!
All your base are belong to us

by Suck My Moneyballs on Jun 8, 2006 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok
So I thought work would take my mind off of things but it didn't work....now after coming home I have picked up a beer and am having to deal with my denial...<chugs Corona>!

by asfaninTX on Jun 8, 2006 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

In Ocotber I hope to read a few headlines ...
like this.

A's Overcome Obstacles and Injuries on their way to World Series Title.

The End. :-)

Spreading some optimism around for a change.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2006 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

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