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Fire Marco Scutaro

This is a reprint from my blog Dodger Math.

Recently, Oakland manager Ken Macha made the announcement that due to Mark Ellis' early struggles, he was going to start Marco Scutaro at second base with some regularity. Prior to this, I thought that Macha was a pretty good manager, in that he wasn't doing anything to actively hurt the team. So long as you put the correct nine names into the starting lineup, you're doing 90% of your job. His bizzare infatuation with Marco Scutaro, however, could end up being the downfall of the A's.

In his career, Scutaro is a terrible hitter as shown by his .253/.302/.385 career numbers. As a point of comparision, the man who is about a season and a half away from securing the title of "worst hitter ever", Neifi Perez, has put up a .269/.300/.379 line throughout his career. Scutaro can't hit, this much is clear. The only reason why Billy Beane hasn't traded Scutaro for a bucket of baseballs is because he can field (107 rate2 at shortstop, 103 rate2 at second). Even so, Mark Ellis is both better defensively (105 rate2), and despite all of his struggles, is actually hitting better than Scutaro this season (.690 OPS versus .614). Not only this, but the A's have an option other than Scutaro and Ellis, Antonio Perez. But, apparently, Macha's seen all he needs to see from him in his 16 plate appearances, and he's out of the question. Hell, the A's could call up Keith Ginter, who despite a horrific year for the A's last year, still is hitting .243/.329/.422 in his career, which would out produce Scutaro.

Ah, but Scutaro has an ace up his sleeve, his reputation for clutch hits late in the game. However, this simply isn't true, his .252/.313/.368 line in these situations from 2003-2005 shows that he's pretty much the same terrible hitter that he always is, even when it's close and late. (In 2002 and 2006, he was a combined 4 for 17, which would drop his average). But, for sake of argument, even though the numbers don't indicate it, let's say that Scutaro is a magical little elf who can deliver clutch hits time and time again. If this is true, wouldn't it be smarter to simply use Scutaro as a pinch hiter in these situations? After all, if his numbers were boosted by these situations (which they aren't) isn't he even worse early in the game?

Given how terrible Scutaro is, we can see Macha displaying the same mindset that lead Jim Tracy to leave Cesar Izturis in the leadoff spot despite a .200 OPS in June and start Jason Phillips at first. Scutaro is not good, Scutaro has never been good and every time he is allowed to start, he costs the A's some possibility of winning.

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Sacrelidge!!!!
Marco!!!
While taint is everywhere and baseball is certainly no different, it's important that it be treated with open attention-Devo

by saint on May 9, 2006 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scutaro!!!
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 9, 2006 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marco!!!
You kids are cluttering AN with funny. Knock it off, NOW. I'm serious. No, really.

by Poppy on May 9, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scutaro!!!
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on May 9, 2006 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Macha is probably just extremely frustrated.
He's been more creative with the lineup (some believe too creative) than last season, and maybe that was his feeble attempt at kick-starting the offense. I don't agree with it, and I thought I was going to go flippin' insane when I read about it. I realize Ellis is off to a slow start, but I don't expect it to last. I have a hunch Macha feels the same way...and I won't bitch about this until he puts the plan into action.
White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 9, 2006 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

<snerk>
"magical little elf"

Recommended.

(It's scandinavian) - salb918 @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy
You kids are cluttering AN with funny. Knock it off, NOW. I'm serious. No, really.

by Poppy on May 9, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, sal
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn it.
I'll redouble my witticism output.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 9, 2006 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm considering outsourcing that
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooooooh...
batgirl's gonna sue me if I profit from my serial plagiarizing...  :\
You kids are cluttering AN with funny. Knock it off, NOW. I'm serious. No, really.

by Poppy on May 9, 2006 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Class action?
You might have more than one paintiff on your hands. Regfairfield might want a piece of that action.

"magical little elf" - Great line, reg!

by peanut gallery on May 10, 2006 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a paintiff ...
... in a suit against the guys who did a lousy job on the exterior of my house ...
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 10, 2006 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is your house in the Vatican?
If you got ripped-off selling old jewelry for a few extra bucks and had to sue, would that make you a pawntiff?

by peanut gallery on May 10, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if I took a digital photo of myself ...
... having root-canal surgery, and then Photoshopped the pic, it'd be a painTIFF.
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 10, 2006 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
And if you died in the process, you'd be a painstiff.

by peanut gallery on May 10, 2006 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Can the Elf play??
...and what kind of "magic" does that elf do afterall?
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on May 9, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that Venezuelan elf
sure plays a mean pinball!
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, he doesn't hang out with ...
the Travelocity Gnome.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on May 9, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way to be positive............
Eric Chavez didn't come through with a homerun in the clutch against Tampa.  Should I rip him apart too?

by NorthDakotaOaklandFan on May 9, 2006 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sample Size
It's not like I'm critizing Scutaro for not coming through once. His career numbers are comparable to the worst hitter of all time, and even though he has a reputation for clutch hits, he's still the same crappy hitter in those situations.

by regfairfield on May 9, 2006 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, we're not the Yankees..........
Every hitter can't be Albert Pujols.  

Give Marco a break.  He's done a lot for this team, especially given that he's not an every day player.  

by NorthDakotaOaklandFan on May 9, 2006 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's perfectly adequate as a backup IF
But he should never start >10 games per year, nor should he be placed in competition for a starting role.
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
I'll apply the same argument that I use with another scrappy favorite, Jason Repko

I have no problem with having Scutaro on the team, his glove is valuable, I just don't want to see him hit.

by regfairfield on May 9, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he shouldn't start ...
but I'd have no problem with him hitting for Kendall, esp. late in the game with runners on base.  He has more power than Kendall and is less of a DP threat.  He also makes better contact than Melhuse from the right side.

by iceplant on May 9, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your argument is actually ...
... that Kendall, and not Neifi Perez, is the worst hitter in MLB.
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ehhh
Kendall's career SLG is .407, compared to Scutaro's career line of .388, so the power thing doesn't work  in any year except last year. Also, even last year, Kendall hit .035 points better than Scutaro in OBP, and Scutaro really doesn't have any clutch capabilities outside of the occassional PH single... He hits really well in AAA, but for some reason can never put it together in MLB. Marco might just be a AAAA player.

by Alon on May 9, 2006 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every Hitter Can Be Better Than Neifi Perez
Is it so wrong to request that every hitter on this team put up better numbers than the worst hitter of all time.

What, exactly, has Marco done for this team? "That one hit he got in (game x)" doesn't count. Any player can fluke into a good single game performance, even Neifi Perez.

by regfairfield on May 9, 2006 2:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Best Diary Ever
Marco is terrible, there's no way he should ever get at bats over Antonio Perez.

by NP15 on May 9, 2006 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, but have you seen Perez field?
(Yikes!)

Now if we can only create the perfect utlity outfielder...one that combines Marco's glove with Perez's hitting (at least his 2005 hitting)...then we'd have something.

"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2006 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why hasn't Macha had Perez DH?
More/at all?
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Frank Thomas will never get back to...
his MVP form unless he gets his AB's...

and Sherman and Peabody's Wayback Machine.

In defense of the Einar Diaz trade, his stats are very good. He has an excellent vowel/consonant ratio.

by McFood on May 9, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, granted, but ...
... Thomas has had a few judicious days off. Would have been nice to get Perez a few more PAs.
magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 9, 2006 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point
He should definitely be getting DH at-bats when Thomas rests. They have to give the guy a chance to get his timing down.

by peanut gallery on May 10, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sadly
I agree with the analysis that:
  • Scutaro is a so-so hitter.
  • We should give Perez a chance to start (is his fielding that terrible).
Some more supporting evidence in an old comment of mine.  

I don't have the numbers, but I think his defense is rated competent but nothing special.

The thing is that he's got such a great story and he's making peanuts (and hitting as well as Kendall). Anyone who's seen Player To Be Named Later has got to be rooting for him.  But in reality, I think he's basically a classic Replacement Level Player.

by Apricot on May 9, 2006 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

reg
Your exactly right.

Which probably means you're going to get eaten alive by the folks at AN....

by Nick86 on May 9, 2006 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm on board with this, really
Marco's had more than enough time to show he's more than a quality AAAA guy. He's a serviceable placeholder on a young struggling team, but on a team that wants to be taken seriously as contenders he just isn't an asset. I love Marco, he's a great likeable guy and comes through with some fun clutch hits here and there.

But he just cannot, for the life of himself, hit.

I don't see what really separates Marco from, say Mike Rouse or Keith Ginter. I mean at least Ginter once hit 19 homers in a season at the big league level, and Rouse hasn't proven yet he isn't inept at the big league level.

Same goes for Bobby Kielty. There's no reason to employ him over like Matt Watson or even Doug Clark.

by walk off bunt on May 9, 2006 6:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting...
I think of Scutaro as a good clutch hitter as well, and I believe Chavy said something about his clutch abilities in his audio interview for AN, but the stats don't support it.  It reminds me of something a politics professor once told me:

 "the plural of anecdote is not data."  

I guess that's sort of the Moneyball philosophy in a nutshell.

by TheCatch on May 9, 2006 9:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

or maybe.....
the antidote to anecdote is data

by NYC on May 11, 2006 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regfairfield...
You just don't understand Scutaro.  As a matter of fact, he is very similar to a magical fairy elf in clutch situation. Who cares if he strikes/grounds out the first three ABs if he wins it for you in the ninth?

Why can't you just pinch hit him then? The A's have to show Scutaro the proper respect if they want him to fill his side of the bargain. Remember the A's last day of contention last season, in the bottom of the ninth against the Angels? With two outs and nobody on, the A's were down by two with Scoot at the plate. There was nothing he could do. The A's lost the game even though he hit it over the fence. The point is, Scutaro can do it for you when it seems like all hope has died, but first you have to give him the chance.

(Hard breathing, weight finally off chest)

"I've watched Marco win a couple ballgames for us when I was on deck.'' ~Mark Kotsay

by scutaroknowstheway on May 9, 2006 10:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

More power than Kendall
Better batting that Kielty (right now.)
Fine backup fielder for several positions.

May not be uber-clutch, but is not a choke either.

So in other words, a perfectly servicable backup player, who does not get all pissy when he does not start every day.   And certainly has done more than Perez so far.

by MobiusKlein on May 9, 2006 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhh
Perez has had less than 20 PA this season...

by rebus on May 9, 2006 10:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It certainly has lit a fire under Ellis'
a$$.  He has played very well the past 2 games.  A little competition is a good thing every now and again.  Complacency can make the game pass you by with a quickness.
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on May 10, 2006 6:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about "complacency"
I've never before seen Ellis frustration-chuck as much of his equipment as he has chucked over the past month...
You kids are cluttering AN with funny. Knock it off, NOW. I'm serious. No, really.

by Poppy on May 10, 2006 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Ellis got hot, so it looks like Scoot's not
going to be replacing Ellis, so your silly contention that our back-up infielder may cost the A's dearly is just about moot, so you can delete this diary before you get "eaten up" by all the mean folks here at AN. Oh, but wait, you've got plenty of posts where people basically agree with you, as do I so....nevermind.
In defense of the Einar Diaz trade, his stats are very good. He has an excellent vowel/consonant ratio.

by McFood on May 10, 2006 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

carp
honestly, you have no idea why ellis got hot. it probably had nothing to do with scutaro. ellis hit over .300 last year. maybe he started hitting well because he is a good player.

by Nick86 on May 10, 2006 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you guys are all forgetting something
Marco not only filled in for Ellis so well, but when Crosby went down he played excellent shortstop as well. He's also like our 6th or 7th option for outfield, hell, he's like the Oakland equivalent/poor-man's Chone Figgins! I think he's done great things for us, and until they actually send Crosby out onto the field wrapped in bubble-wrap, Marco is still absolutely crucial to our team.

I am surprised this thread is so focused on Scutaro's abilities or lack thereof, rather than  Macha's "sensibilities" regarding lineup decisions.

One other aspect I'd like to point out is that "clutch" is not really quantifiable, and as much as I love the numbers-crunching, Moneyball perspective and discussions on this site, I seem to think what Marco brings to the table is not really quantifiable by A's/Moneyball standards; he's still young and still has room to improve, as his career numbers indicate (he hasnt regressed, so to speak), and whether clutch exists or not, well, I'd love to see Marco prove all his nay-sayers wrong by continuing to deliver when it counts.

by popcornjames on May 10, 2006 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Young? He's 30.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 10, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pfffsssh!
Only in the most sabermetrically sporkish of ways is Marco "30."

In my gut, I know he's young at heart.

magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 10, 2006 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your proble, Salb
Is that you looked that number up in a "book." As monkeyball points out, in your gut he feels younger than 30. And I know in my gut that my gut is better than any "book" out there. It has heart.

(to clarify confusion, I'm not taking a shot at monkeyball or anything. Just a little ode to Stephen Colbert.)

by walk off bunt on May 10, 2006 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colbert is the man ...
... Kendall only wishes he could be.

Whether you find Colbert's routine funny or not, appropriate or not, what he did took balls. Especially given W's Kendall-like temper.

magical little piece of Venezuelan elf-candy - Poppy @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 10, 2006 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIRE MACHA NOW!!!
that is all i have to say.

by Suck My Moneyballs on May 10, 2006 11:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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