All Eyes On One Man As The Circus Limps Into Town
Bonds forbid that anyone should talk about the A's tonight, what with the Giants in town and all eyes on the quest for #714. See what I did there? I casually replaced "God" with "Bonds" and acted like it was a normal sentence--did you like the way I did that, wasn't it great? (Say those last two sentences out loud in your best Stewie voice, and it will read as intended.)
Ethical debates aside, all sides can generally agree on one thing: In the Giants' lineup, Barry Bonds constitutes by far the biggest threat. So the A's have a legitimate dilemma, one which is faced daily by some National League team: How much to pitch to Barry Bonds in the quest to win a baseball game. A baseball game--you know, those pesky things that keep interrupting His Quest. (Say those last two words out loud, in your best "I dub thee: Excalibur!" voice, with a little echo-effect added, and it will read as intended.)
Here are my "3 reasons to pitch to Bonds," and my "3 reasons not to"...
3 reasons to pitch to Bonds:
a. Great hitter or not, Bonds is 3 for his last 21, and is batting .233 for the season.
b. If Bonds, and only Bonds, hurts you, you will probably still win the game. Solo HRs won't beat you the way walks will, so just throw quality strikes up and down the lineup and take your chances.
c. There's a part of you--the part only you and your therapist know about--that wants to see Bonds make history, even if it's against your team.
3 reasons not to pitch to Bonds:
d. With Moises Alou out, Bonds is so far and away the Giants' main threat that it makes little sense to throw him a strike when the game is close, especially when Haren or Blanton is pitching (Pedro Feliz' lifetime OBP against righties is .283, and Ray Durham's OPS the last 3 years is, "Ow, my hamstring!").
e. If Lance Niekro, or Mike Matheny, beats you, then you say, "Hey, that's baseball," but if you let Bonds beat you, that's when you wake up at 3:00am asking yourself, "Why did I let this happen? He's the one guy where `you just don't let him beat you.'"
f. "No petulant, bulked-up freak is tying Babe Ruth in our backyard."
Does one of these six possible reactions match your mindset about how the A's should handle pitching to Barry Bonds, and why? Ponder it now, because Danny Haren takes the mound at 7:05pm tonight. In his 57.1 innings so far this year, Haren has allowed 11 HRs and he has walked 7. Who knows how much longer the Babe will have to enjoy 2nd place...
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Simple
If runners in scoring position, walk him...
If two outs and he's the tying run with MOB, be very careful.
by oaktoon on May 19, 2006 8:13 AM PDT 0 recs
F
I'm glad I won't be going to the games. I might hyperventilate. Breathing is going to be hard enough in my living room.
by TurnTwo on May 19, 2006 8:24 AM PDT 0 recs
F.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on May 19, 2006 8:24 AM PDT 0 recs
B and D make the most sense to me
The one thing I don't do is what Oaktoon mentions above. "Pitch carefully," or as it's also sometimes called, "Don't give him anything good to hit." This is just based on reading books pitchers have written. It's their least favorite thing in the world to do, because it's a mixed message, and all it does it sets you up to fail if you make a mistake. If you're worried about a situation, just walk him and give yourself a different situation.
by jeepers on May 19, 2006 8:27 AM PDT 0 recs
A...A....A
by nickatt7 on May 19, 2006 8:32 AM PDT 0 recs
F.
by californiagirl on May 19, 2006 8:32 AM PDT 0 recs
b. Walks.
In the 8th inning or later, that's a tougher question since obviously the Giants would pinch-run for him. I guess if the A's are up by 1 run you pitch to him in the 8th and get him out.
Frankly, his bat looks terrible this year. He seems to be whiffing on breaking pitches so much now than 2004. It looks like his bat is slower too. He took what look like a huge cut on a pitch last week that ended up just a lazy flyball. I would have thought that was Bonds channeling Frank Menechino for a minute.
by NicksDreamy on May 19, 2006 8:33 AM PDT 0 recs
with Haren's dinger track record
by Apricot on May 19, 2006 8:40 AM PDT 0 recs
although, with the weather factored in,
by popcornjames on
May 19, 2006 1:31 PM PDT
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i hate when we wallk someone
by F171615 on May 19, 2006 8:42 AM PDT 0 recs
Where's option g & h?
h. Strike him out every single AB.
I like "h" myself.
by baseballgirl on May 19, 2006 9:13 AM PDT 0 recs
There's always option "i", too
by jeepers on
May 19, 2006 9:17 AM PDT
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High and Tight
- If it hits him in the back/butt, oh well.
- If he takes 4 balls, oh well.
- I don't think Bonds can turn on 90+ heat anymore...unless inside pitches come back over the plate.
- I see us using a VLAD approach w/ Bonds. Only, Bonds will take pitches, where VLAD swings.
by Colorado Fan on
May 19, 2006 10:14 AM PDT
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I like G.
Look at it this way - he can have another record! The HBP record.
by Ozzz on
May 19, 2006 11:57 AM PDT
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while i don't like the monster
as for me, if bonds became an a, i would have to up my meds, as i wouldn't know what to do as a fan......
also, bonds is going to hit one at some point. as long as it isn't a game winner, i think i could stomach it in our yard. after all, it is the bay area, and not like he plays for LA or something.
it's the whole love hate thing with barry. while steroids have seemingly been in his game, there is no debate on his natural talent. that is what is so sad about this guy. he was headed for the hall no matter what, but then with his behavior, and alleged steroid usage, his legacy will be tainted forever. it's truly a shame.
so if he hits one this weekend, i won't cheer, but i'll toast to the hopefully pure sport that i love.
by greendatitiz on May 19, 2006 9:22 AM PDT 0 recs
Said it before, and I'll say it again.
by Ozzz on
May 19, 2006 11:58 AM PDT
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It is May, just pitch to the chump,
by southofcruiseamerica on May 19, 2006 9:33 AM PDT 0 recs
That's interesting...
They show No. 715 off of Al Downing the most. So even if he hits 714 in Oakland, it probably won't be repeated like if he hits 715.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
May 19, 2006 12:59 PM PDT
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regarding option F ...
by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 9:42 AM PDT 0 recs
Maybe it's just me...
Oh, and I say pitch to him. I'd love the chance to be on the mound against Barry Bonds.
by Mike Gallego is my Hero on May 19, 2006 9:46 AM PDT 0 recs
Would you have cheered McGwire et al...
I think most wouldn't have. I wouldn't.
by Ozzz on
May 19, 2006 11:59 AM PDT
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there was just as valid "evidence" then
by monkeyball on
May 19, 2006 12:03 PM PDT
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'socially acceptable'?
Come on, MB. You know that's not the case.
by Ozzz on
May 19, 2006 2:29 PM PDT
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I didn't say "as much" ...
But there were rumors and allegations floating around back in the day as well -- and I will stick 100% to my assertion that it's only relativelt recently become socially acceptable to believe them.
To not have believed or even thought that Canseco and McGwire weren't taking stuff at the time involved willfull naivete.
by monkeyball on
May 19, 2006 2:38 PM PDT
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steroids
The 'size' comparisons I keep hearing in every discussion are just as silly. I think it was Faye Vincent the other day talking about meeting McGwire for the first time in like 89 and talking about him being 190lb. Stop it. The guy came into the league at least 225 and was probably bigger than that. Sure he bulked up over the years, but he wasn't spindly by any means.
But even after all that, calling back to McGwire and Canseco is kind of silly, really, as just about all of us just figured they worked out all day - and well, they did. They didn't gain size so much from the steroids, but were able to maintain that size during the season in a way that baseball players shouldn't be able to. Honestly - how can an mlb player HONESTLY stick to a weight training regimen during the season?
by NicksDreamy on
May 19, 2006 3:43 PM PDT
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and you just proved my point
by monkeyball on
May 19, 2006 3:45 PM PDT
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And I'll disprove it. Kinda.
Even here on AN, as recently as a year ago, people were STILL trying to defend Bonds, saying the allegations weren't proved and he's just a big guy with oodles of talent who cranks better than anyone in history, at an age most players are five years retired.
Honestly, it wasn't until Game of Shadows came out that people laid of Canseco and conceded that, hey, maybe his book wasn't BS after all.
I was a Dodgers fan back in the day when Kirk Gibson poked 'that home run' over the fence off Eck, and though I had many reasons to hate McGwire and Canseco, steroids weren't on my list.
Until it simply couldn't be denied, baseball fans, the media, the players and the owners all conspired to simply make whatever excuses they could, while raking in the coin and watching the records fall.
Now we're like the baseball equivalent of the post-WWII Germans - we rewrite history to pretend that we didn't like the bad guys all along, when in actual fact we were enablers.
by Ozzz on
May 19, 2006 4:39 PM PDT
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your point
Rumor and innuendo didn't start building until 1998, with the Andro that McGwire had in his locker - out in the wide open, I might add. And really, the issue of steroids didn't take off until Canseco's book came out, and the BALCO investigation started to go public. Most of the evidence we have now is written down as a matter of fact that these players have testified to. It's no longer rumor and innuendo, and if you think it's a matter of only recently being socially acceptable to believe in grand jury testimony, you're being silly. Sure, the smoking-gun types are a bit disappointed in as much as neither they nor you or I have ever witnessed Bonds stab himself with the needle, but frankly I'm satisfied that there's enough evidence - the real kind - that players around the league were juiced, and Barry Bonds is just the biggest of that group, pardon the pun.
It's like this, you may have thought back in '86 that Canseco was juiced up. I'll give you that. You just didn't much of an audience for that discussion because the response you'd have gotten would be crickets. Nobody was talking about it then. There were no rumors.
by NicksDreamy on
May 19, 2006 5:24 PM PDT
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Oakland being considered steroids' birthplace...
by Poppy on
May 19, 2006 1:29 PM PDT
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B
by spal on May 19, 2006 9:58 AM PDT 0 recs
Will SF have the same situations with Cards?
by pachydermOAFC on May 19, 2006 10:13 AM PDT 0 recs
I caught a piece
SWISH
I just had a baseballgasm. -- Chavinator
by day-to-day on May 19, 2006 10:26 AM PDT 0 recs
a) and b)
Don't get me wrong, Bonds still has a great eye and a sweet swing, and can punish a mistake in his wheelhouse, but that wheelhouse no longer consists of everything over home plate. Just treat him like you would any other power hitter, and hope not to hang a pitch against him.
And besides, Pedro Feliz may suck (.200 career OBP vs. Oakland!) but he also finds a way to kill us anyway - 6 of his 16 hits against the A's have been home runs.
by andeux on May 19, 2006 10:46 AM PDT 0 recs
ditto
And more than a few times, that walk contributes to a rally, even if Bonds doesn't score.
(man on first, walk Bonds, and voila, you've got a man in scoring position.
by MobiusKlein on
May 19, 2006 10:58 AM PDT
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Adding on to andeux's point,
by Nico on
May 19, 2006 11:05 AM PDT
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Exactly correct, Andeux
I hate the argument that "you can't let so-and-so beat you." It's not about not letting Bonds beat you, it's about not letting the Giants beat you, i.e. winning the damn game. It may seem counterintuitive and it's counter to our conditioned emotional response (to fear a Bonds AB), but the evidence is that walking Bonds hurts your team's chance to win and helps the Giants.
Certainly this year teams have been badly hurt by walking Bonds. And notice that the Giants just scored 10+ runs in 3 straight games where Bonds didn't do a damn thing. I don't want to give them unearned baserunners. Bonds is helping the Giants win a lot more this year by taking the freebie than by hitting. I don't want to see the A's help the Giants by helping Bonds get on base. Bonds is still dangerous, but he doesn't have magical powers that should cause everyone to quake in their shoes and throw their rationality into the trash can.
by Faust on
May 19, 2006 2:23 PM PDT
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A and B
I say pitch him the best possible way we can in order to get a WIN! If we win the game and he still hits #714 or #715, I will be ok with that. The headline will be "BONDS HITS #714! Oh and the A's went on to win the game." I will be ok with that too. We win, and that is all that matters!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on May 19, 2006 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs
Agreed...
It's trivial whether or not bonds hits #714 and/or #715 at Oakland. I would rather the A's sweep and bonds hit 2 dongs then the A's lose and bonds goes homerless.
by mattcschmidt on
May 19, 2006 12:56 PM PDT
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best point of the thread, methinks.
by NicksDreamy on
May 19, 2006 5:25 PM PDT
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I'm rooting for option R.
According to the NWS:
Tonight: Mostly cloudy with showers likely and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Southwest winds to 10 mph.
Saturday: Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the 60s to mid 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.
Sunday: Mostly cloudy with showers likely and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/index.php?wfo=mtr&zone=caz508&county=cac001
by lexdevil on May 19, 2006 11:35 AM PDT 0 recs
ooh, ooh, ooh
by TurnTwo on
May 19, 2006 11:54 AM PDT
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That, my friend, is genius.
by Ozzz on
May 19, 2006 12:00 PM PDT
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nice one
Top of the 9th, A's up one. Runner on first, two outs. Bonds comes up. He launches a huge homer for #714! But the runner on base is so excited, he forgets to touch 2nd. He's called out on appeal, A's win, Bonds loses homer #714.
by Apricot on
May 19, 2006 12:51 PM PDT
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Just win these games...
I would prefer this not happen in our yard, but if it does, I want to be there...
bottom line is I want us to win.
GO A's!!!!
by LongTimeFan on May 19, 2006 11:35 AM PDT 0 recs
Aha--given the forecast,
Loaiza and the rain: A lovely combination.
by Nico on May 19, 2006 11:39 AM PDT 0 recs
I have this lovely image of...
by lexdevil on
May 19, 2006 11:43 AM PDT
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Interesting Question
If he is going to hit #714 in Oakland let it be late in a game the A's have well in hand. Baseball Tonight can come kiss his ring and it will all be over.
by RudiFan on May 19, 2006 12:26 PM PDT 0 recs
Ring? What ring?
His F-U-Scott-Spiezio ring?
His Roider-of-the-Year ring?
Or did he steal Steve Finley's 2001 World Championship ring?
by calgbear on
May 19, 2006 1:48 PM PDT
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I say
by Philip Christy on May 19, 2006 12:46 PM PDT 0 recs
Just Saw Bonds inside the Coliseum Locker Room
by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2006 12:56 PM PDT 0 recs
Tonight, I would like to see Bonds join Ruth...
:P
A and F.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on May 19, 2006 1:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Screw the Giants
by GreenNGoldForMe on May 19, 2006 1:16 PM PDT 0 recs
One could argue
Or just bean him in the nuts and put him on the 15-day CL (Castrated List)
by Nico on May 19, 2006 1:43 PM PDT 0 recs
I know ya'll hate him,
by RenoTy on
May 19, 2006 2:04 PM PDT
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that would be hysterical
by Apricot on
May 19, 2006 3:51 PM PDT
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Eric Chavez's take on it:
Ah, Eric, love ya and everything, but are you sure Dan Haren is OK with your plan?
Personally, I'd much rather put up with the hoopla all weekend than watch The Bloated One hit one against us.
by Faust on May 19, 2006 2:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Eric Chavez is my favorite player
by ohad on
May 19, 2006 3:15 PM PDT
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Um ...
by monkeyball on
May 19, 2006 3:42 PM PDT
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Really.
by Hit4TheCycle on May 19, 2006 3:39 PM PDT 0 recs
Dunno, but I have 3 reserved seats...
by lexdevil on
May 19, 2006 3:43 PM PDT
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I'm trying to go on Sunday
by Hit4TheCycle on
May 19, 2006 3:43 PM PDT
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It's going to be fun to....
by baseballgirl on May 19, 2006 3:51 PM PDT 0 recs
Especially when we win
Are you coming up this weekend?
by LongTimeFan on
May 19, 2006 3:54 PM PDT
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Sadly, no...
by baseballgirl on
May 19, 2006 4:34 PM PDT
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You know, with all that standing,
by Nico on
May 19, 2006 4:38 PM PDT
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Let's hope we can get
by Nico on May 19, 2006 3:56 PM PDT 0 recs
Your word...
by LongTimeFan on
May 19, 2006 4:00 PM PDT
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Weather
by signmebilly on May 19, 2006 4:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Beautiful day for baseball,
I'm thinking they'll get the game in, because the umps' threshhold for rain is pretty high. But it's been raining hard enough that rain delays seem possible. Could be one of those 7pm-midnight extravaganzas.
On a related note, the rain/fog probably will cause the ball not to carry very well tonight...
by Nico on
May 19, 2006 4:33 PM PDT
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AFLAC!!!
Bottom of the 1st inning, Mets batting, 4-3 Yankees. Yanks got 4 in the top, Mets have 3 in, with one on, one out in the bottom against Randy Johnson. First 4 hitters: BB, single, HR, single.
by Nico on May 19, 2006 4:42 PM PDT 0 recs
Jose Reyes walked?
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