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A's take Goleski #1 in Rule 5 draft

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[EDITOR'S NOTE: The A's picked up two players today and lost one in the Rule 5 draft. Billy Beane kept true to his word and took an outfielder from the Indians organization rather than the one of the two pitchers everyone was clamoring about. The A's lost Jared Burton to the Reds but also got a pitcher from the White Sox. - Blez]

Guess this throws off the speculation that soria or strop would be picked #1. it seems odd to trade up to #1 if we aren't thinking about keeping this kid, so maybe he'll stick around. he had a decent season at AA, .296 BA, .370 OBP, .528 SLG, . 898 OPS. he's not a kid, though, 24 last year. i know we were looking for OFers, but given the live arms (soria, strop), i'm a bit surprised with this pick. also, jared burton was picked by the reds in the 1st round.

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You just beat me
We also picked up Jay Marshall from the White Sox and lost Jared Burton to the Reds. Can't imagine we'd have two rule 5 guys on our 25, so likely one will be given back in the Spring

First Round
Team: Player, Pos., Previous Org.

  1. Devil Rays: Ryan Goleski, of, Indians (to be traded to Oakland)
  2. Royals: Joakim Soria, rhp, Padres
  3. Cubs: Josh Hamilton, of, Devil Rays
  4. Pirates: Sean White, rhp, Pirates
  5. Orioles: Alfredo Simon, rhp, Rangers
  6. Nationals: Jesus Flores, c, Mets
  7. Brewers: Edward Campusano, lhp, Cubs
  8. Reds: Jared Burton, rhp, Athletics
  9. Astros: Lincoln Holdzcom, rhp, Cubs
  10. Phillies: Adam Donachie, c, Royals
  11. Red Sox: Nick DeBarr, rhp, Devil Rays
  12. Blue Jays: Jason Smith, ss, Cubs
  13. Padres: Kevin Cameron, rhp, Twins
  14. Athletics: Jay Marshall, lhp, White Sox
  15. Twins: Alejandro Machado, if, Nationals
  16. Yankees: Josh Phelps, 1b/dh, Orioles
Second Round:
  1. Nationals: Levale Speigner, rhp, Twins
  2. Phillies: Jim Ed Warden, rhp, Indians
Third Round:

1. Phillies: Ryan Budde, c, Angels

I like Aloysius Szymanski

by gojohn10 on Dec 7, 2006 7:15 AM PST   0 recs

The bio on Burton
Turns 26 next season, 6'5, 224 lb RHP, played at AA Midland last year, 74 IPs, 4.14 era, 1.32 WHIP, 66 k's, 27 walks.
If the Reds are fighting for a playoff berth they'd have a hard time stashing a guy who wasn't MLB-ready.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 7, 2006 7:27 AM PST   0 recs

stats link
Ryan Goleski (solid numbers except for 2005)
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Ryan-Goleski.shtml

Jay Marshall (23 year old LOOGY in high A)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/jay-marshall.shtml

Jared Burton (8th rounder in the Moneyball draft)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Jared-Burton.shtml

I like Aloysius Szymanski

by gojohn10 on Dec 7, 2006 7:28 AM PST   0 recs

I like both these new kids.
Goleski has great power/contact numbers at every level, and Marshall just smoked it in A+ this past season. I'd say they're both AA-ready, and well worth the gamble that they can bring it in the bigs, at least as much as Antonio Perez brought it...
"That's one osteoporitic offense." - Jeepers, on the SF Giants

by Ozzz on Dec 7, 2006 10:24 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Marshall lost...
As part of the Goleski deal.
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on Dec 7, 2006 2:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Bobby Kielty
This could be the end of Bobby Kielty.  Non-Tendering Kielty is going to free up 2-Million+ via Arbitration.  
  • Goleski could be a cheaper 5th Outfielder Option.  
  • Cliff Floyd might cost 2-Million+ (including incentives)

by Colorado Fan on Dec 7, 2006 7:40 AM PST   0 recs

Those two picks max our 40-man roster
And our roster doesn't have Piazza yet. I'll bet that means we take Bochachica off...and bank on Goleski being ready to contribute as the 5th OF?
Interesting.
A little strange for a team like the A's to take a position player here. How can we stash a young, non-MLB-ready hitter on our playoff-contention roster without retarding his development?
With a pitcher, at least you could throw him in blowouts or low-pressure situations. Hitters need regular abs.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 7, 2006 7:40 AM PST   0 recs

Charles Thomas / Perez / Ginter
We have ways of stashing players.

by Colorado Fan on Dec 7, 2006 7:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Milhouse
Green eyes come from yellow flecks of fatty pigment on a dark background. Some men think a green-eyed woman is exotic. The truth is she's got fat eyes.

by Furious George on Dec 7, 2006 10:12 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Chavez...
"That's one osteoporitic offense." - Jeepers, on the SF Giants

by Ozzz on Dec 7, 2006 10:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

"stashing" players?
Haren
Five dollah BART bridge hats for Christmas this year! ~ FSU @('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 7, 2006 7:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry Colorado
I hadn't seen your post yet. Good point, Kielty at 2-3 million for a 4th OF is pretty expensive for us.
Why didn't anybody draft that mysterious Strop character everyone was raving about?

by notsellingjeans on Dec 7, 2006 7:42 AM PST   0 recs

Jay Marshall (L)
Some Impressive Stats in High-A:

IP:  62
K's: 44
K/9: 6.39
BB/9: 1.16
WHIP: 0.87

Alan Embree Insurance?

by Colorado Fan on Dec 7, 2006 7:49 AM PST   0 recs

Marshall gets a hard look in spring training
If he isn't major-league-ready, the A's can just offer him back to the White Sox. Pretty easy way to get a look at another LOOGY. If he can get the occasional righty out as well, even better. It's a good move, even though as a 23-year-old in A-ball he was "old for the league".
MJB

by MJB on Dec 7, 2006 8:16 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Trade / Tyler Johnson
I also think it's a time to evaluate.  If you like what you see in Spring Training, offer the WhiteSox a player in return.

The A's selected Tyler Johnson (Cards) in the Rule V draft last year (or the year before.  Can't remember).  Anyways, I thought they should have tried to offer the Cards a trade at the end of Spring Training then.  * Wasn't that Tyler Johnson on the 2006 World Series Champion St. Louis Cardinals???

Anyways, If they like what they see in Marshall, maybe they'll try it this time around???

by Colorado Fan on Dec 7, 2006 8:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

2 years ago
Right before the Mulder trade.

There is a theory that the A's agreed to return Johnson to the Cards as part of the Mulder deal. He wasn't part of the "actual" deal in order to help the Cardinals save face. Think about it, they leave the guy unprotected and a couple weeks later they trade for him to come back? That would look bad.

Anyways, it's a theory and it provides the best explanation (that I've heard) as to why Beane didn't secure the rights to Johnson while he was dealing Mulder.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 9:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Why no promotion?
Why would the WS keep a 23-year-old reliever in A ball all year with those stats?  
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Dec 7, 2006 9:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think
he was learning how to throw sidearmed.

by Danny on Dec 7, 2006 9:34 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

That would explain it.
The A's have had a couple of pitchers learning the side-armed thing of late. Undervalued asset?
"That's one osteoporitic offense." - Jeepers, on the SF Giants

by Ozzz on Dec 7, 2006 10:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Bradford was an undervalued asset
Sidearmers are sidevalued assets.
Five dollah BART bridge hats for Christmas this year! ~ FSU @('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 7, 2006 7:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good points
I can tell you're a heck of a lot more knowledgeable about this than I am.
I'm curious, what did we have to do with Thomas/Ginter?
I know that Perez was out of minor league options and that's why we had to suffer with him on the ML bench all year last year.

On a related note, I'm look at our bench and seeing, as it stands now:
Melhuse, Perez (who still can't be sent down), Scutaro, Kielty, Goleski.
Add that to the starting 9 (I'm including Piazza) and you have 14 position players.
That leaves 11 spots for pitchers, including the lefty we just drafted, Marshall.
It'll be hard to keep both Rule V picks. We'll probably trade one during spring.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 7, 2006 7:50 AM PST   0 recs

i agree, this may be the end of kielty
i like him, but he gets paid a decent amount of money - if the goleski kid can hit (and it appears he can), i'd imagine he'd possibly get a shot to be the utility OFer. though if we don't get a starting OFer this offseason, kielty could move into the starters job in LF, at which point goleski could replace him as our 4th OFer.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 7, 2006 7:57 AM PST   0 recs

Keep Kielty
Could this instead be the end of Adam Melhuse? Hopefully Geren will realize that our backup catcher can DH since Kendall never leaves a game he starts. If we sign Cliff Floyd, then it's bye-bye Kielty (obligate Kielty rant -- I'll never understand why he hits left handed).
I like Aloysius Szymanski

by gojohn10 on Dec 7, 2006 8:13 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

if we don't get another OFer
absolutely keep kielty. he's not a bad player, and makes a reasonable salary if he's a starting OFer. he absolutely mashes lefties, and he actually wasn't atrocious against righties (though obviously not that good). if we do get another OFer, like floyd (though i think that's unlikely, he seems to want to go to the cubs), then there is no reason to keep kielty.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 7, 2006 8:57 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Floyd's from Chi, isn't he?
Think I remember that he's a Chicago native...
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 7, 2006 7:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Gotta keep Kielty...
...as far as I'm concerned, he's an A---and I agree that he should only hit righty---all the time.  If he does, he will improve against right-handed pitching, which he hardly ever sees. Love that red hair and his attitude.
"It's a cookbook!"---The Twilight Zone

by Buck18 on Dec 8, 2006 9:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Piazza
The A's say that they got him to play 99.9% of his time as a DH. That indicates to me that they intend to keep a 2nd catcher like Melhuse.

by Larry E on Dec 7, 2006 2:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

interesting to the the cubs took
josh hamilton.  i believe he was the number 1 pick the year that the marlins took beckett as the number 2 pick.  was supposed to play alongside crawford and baldelli and be a real stud, but got all messed up with heroin etc.  i would like to see him make it some day.

by Backspin on Dec 7, 2006 8:28 AM PST   0 recs

He got traded to the Reds
As a Reds fan as well, I'd love that to turn into a Santana-like Rule V trade!
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Dec 7, 2006 8:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Misc Goleski facts
Ironically, the Indians left Goleski unprotected but kept Mike Rouse on their 40-man roster.

I caught the tail end of MLB radio's interview of Goleski and he said he was excited for the opportunity, etc., etc. No arcive link yet

Baseball America lists Goleski as having the best outfield arm in the Indians farm system

Goleski was an extra in the Roger Maris movie "61"

I like Aloysius Szymanski

by gojohn10 on Dec 7, 2006 8:39 AM PST   0 recs

Also listed as the Indians' best power prospect
Good arm + power bat = good pick by the front office.  David Forst came right out and said he could make the club as the 4th or 5th outfielder.
Zito: I would never bet against this team. First of all because it's against the rules...

by Joey C. on Dec 7, 2006 11:54 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

More BA on Goleski
8:40 a.m.: Early word in the Northern Hemisphere has the Athletics--after paying $100,000 to the Devil Rays for the rights to make the first pick--selecting outfielder Ryan Goleski with the draft's first overall pick. Goleski, a 24th round pick in 2003 out of Eastern Michigan, has had ups and downs in the minors but finished 2006 at Double-A Akron, hitting .296/.370/.528 with 17 homers and 63 RBIs. Another source, however, indicates the Rockies are concerned righthander Pedro Strop could be the first overall pick. We'll find out for sure a little after 9 a.m.

by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 7, 2006 9:18 AM PST   0 recs

Hmm
Since the D-Rays technically made the pick for us, did they pay the $50k fee or did the A's pay it on top of the $100k trade?
Green eyes come from yellow flecks of fatty pigment on a dark background. Some men think a green-eyed woman is exotic. The truth is she's got fat eyes.

by Furious George on Dec 7, 2006 10:16 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Forst on Goleski
"Our scouts have liked him from as far back as college," Athletics assistant general manager David Forst said of Goleski. "It's unlikely that Jay Payton will be coming back, so [Goleski] could make the club as the fourth or fifth outfielder. He's a young guy with power."

link

by gotgreen on Dec 7, 2006 9:23 AM PST   0 recs

apparently...
they didn't like him enough to take him within the first 23 rounds of the 2003 draft...
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 7, 2006 7:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Some select quotes from Indian fans
"NOOOO!!!!!! Goleski is a MUCH better athlete than Shelton! I've seen them both.

"Goleski's a ballplayer, not a DH. Geez, Garko's more athletic than Shelton!"

"Seriously, Goleski has the best arm I've ever seen. Ever. I saw him nail a guy at 3B from deep right field one night. Not even a 1-hopper. The home (opposition) fans gave him a standing O it was so astoundingly good."

"I've been "hyping" Go-Go since I saw that astounding arm of his back with Lake County."

"I saw Goleski play and i really think he could be the real deal."

"I really liked him when I saw him in spring training before the 2004 season. With the big year he put up, I was pretty convinced he had the potential to be a Jay Buhner type of major leaguer. The ball really came off his bat, much better than Garko who was hitting just before him."

"Total bullS#$% to lose a guy like Goleski to protect stiffs like Sirkorksi, Rouse and other stiffs."

by Hang Man on Dec 7, 2006 9:24 AM PST   0 recs

So THAT's why we let Rouse go.
It all makes sense now.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 7, 2006 9:37 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I wondered the same thing
Is this payback by Beane, or was it part of his plan before last year?

by Hang Man on Dec 7, 2006 9:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Guess I'll See
Charles Thomas and his hair in center again here in Sac???

by LawDaddy on Dec 7, 2006 10:04 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

how does billy do it?
how did he talk the d-rays into giving up the #1 pick?

by gotgreen on Dec 7, 2006 9:38 AM PST   0 recs

He gave them $100K
That's like adding an 82nd game to the Devil Rays' schedule.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 7, 2006 9:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

With the D Rays crowds...
..it's like adding an 82nd, 83rd, 84th and 85th game to their schedule.
"That's one osteoporitic offense." - Jeepers, on the SF Giants

by Ozzz on Dec 7, 2006 10:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

QOTM!
Are we still doing that?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 7, 2006 11:50 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

nope
bbg is too rich and famous now.  
perhaps someone else could take over...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 7, 2006 3:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

easy
he gave them 100,000 reasons. plus, the rays are overloaded with OFers...not a reason to let a good one go, mind you, but it may have clouded their judgement a litte.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 7, 2006 9:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Tampa was at the 40 man limit
Appearently they were more interested in protecting the guys they had than chasing down someone new.
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 9:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Not 40-man
the Rays had to open a spot in order to draft Goleski to send him to us.
Another project of Devo's

by devo on Dec 7, 2006 12:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Just goes to show
you can't trust anything you read anymore.
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 1:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Can someone look up Goleski's splits?
If he can hammer LH pitching and the A's can sign Floyd to a deal like they did Thomas than Kielty is going elsewhere.
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 10:30 AM PST   0 recs

2006 splits
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pl/457/457830AkrELb06.html

vs. LHP (73abs)
301avg/388obp/644slg
vs. RHP (251abs)
295avg/365obp/494slg

Major difference is the higher SLG vs. Lefties

I like Aloysius Szymanski

by gojohn10 on Dec 7, 2006 10:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

thanks
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 11:03 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

splits
Don't have HBPs to calc OBP, but here are the splits in (AVG/OBP/SLG).

'05 in High-A:

vs L: .218/.297/.452 (188 AB)
vs R: .207/.257/.335 (266 AB)

'06 in High-A:

vs L: .340/.436/.532 (47 AB)
vs R: .324/.451/.703 (74 AB)

'06 in Double-A:

vs L: .301/.386/.644 (73 AB)
vs R: .295/.361/.494 (251 AB)

by Brian Durack on Dec 7, 2006 10:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

thank you
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 11:03 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like he can hit either way.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 7, 2006 11:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Switch
I don't think he's a switch hitter...is he?  Thought he might just be a right handed bat w/ a great arm in the outfield.

Could play RF when Milton has to play CF

by Colorado Fan on Dec 7, 2006 11:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

No
I just meant that it doesn't seem to matter much whether he's facing lefties or righties.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 7, 2006 11:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Minorleaguesplits.com, baby
Goleski splits

In Akron:
vs LHP (73 ABs) 1032 OPS
vs RHP (251 ABs) 859 OPS
home (177 ABs) 1047 OPS
road (147 ABs) 719 OPS

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Dec 7, 2006 10:47 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I know the site
But I don't have the link on this computer!
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 11:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

grover
Do you use Firefox?  If so, check this out:

Minor League Splits Search Engine

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by gatling on Dec 7, 2006 11:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don't
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 7, 2006 12:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Not to intrude
but you should... It's really amazing. I can even control my iTunes from the internet. Sounds lame, but it's pretty cool, and the popup blocker works like a charm on every site. Or you can adjust it if you like certain popups. And it's much better at blocking viruses. I'll stop tooting its horn now, you probably have something as good anyway

by Alon on Dec 7, 2006 3:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jay Marshall
Going to throw some stats out about Marshall that should reveal the position he would potentially fill:

vs LHP:

  1. 13 IP, 9 H, 2 XBH, 1 BB, 13 K, 1 ER
  2. 32.2 IP, 10 H, 2 XBH, 0 BB, 26 K, 1 ER
'05 was in short-season and '06 in A, but it's clear what they were thinking with him.

by Brian Durack on Dec 7, 2006 10:33 AM PST   0 recs

hm...
The formatting messed the comment up, but the 5 and 6 were '05 and '06

by Brian Durack on Dec 7, 2006 10:34 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Marshall
And Kevin Goldstein @ BP pointed out some things, too.  He's a sidearmer with some crazy GB:FB stats.

2006 vs LHP: 61 GB vs. 11 FB

Lefty version of Bradford I guess.

by Brian Durack on Dec 7, 2006 10:50 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Marshall was Traded to Tampa along with
100,000 cash...

According to this article.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/

by saint on Dec 7, 2006 11:19 AM PST   0 recs

Yep
The trade is also on the transactions page and Marshall is listed on the Rays 40 man roster.

by bloodshot13 on Dec 7, 2006 2:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Let's Go Tribe
Die Hards over at www.letsgotribe.com seem to think that Goleski should have been kept on the 40-Man (instead of Mike Rouse).

http://www.letsgotribe.com/story/2006/12/7/92825/0856#commenttop

by Colorado Fan on Dec 7, 2006 11:44 AM PST   0 recs

Goleski interview on MLB radio
link

this is the entire rule 5 draft show. Fast forward to 2:35 for the interview. Stick through the technical issues, it works out.

I like Aloysius Szymanski

by gojohn10 on Dec 7, 2006 12:08 PM PST   0 recs

wow...
thats really long

by iloveoakland on Dec 7, 2006 8:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i don't know the difference between
soria and strop, but why didn't we go for the one who is currently pitching really well in winter ball?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 7, 2006 2:35 PM PST   0 recs

More on Goleski
PECOTA has Rule 5 draft #1 pick Ryan Goleski projected at a .235/.298/.376 line next year. That's in Cleveland, technically, but it won't change very much if he's in Oakland. It also thinks he's pretty much done growing, the steepest parts of the growth curve having been long since surpassed by the time a typical player hits age 25.

More.

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