Dan vs. Daric - To Be Settled In Phoenix
As an avid sports fan in the 90s, who could forget the infamous commercials featuring Dan and Dave, Reebok's attempt at marketing the Barcelona Olympics. Fast forward fourteen years, and we are on the cusp of a similar competition; the high stakes of the A's first baseman job, fought on the battlefield of Spring Training.
After having a conversation about fantasy baseball with another member of AN (and I promise I wasn't talking to myself--I'm not Cindi), I really began to mull over the idea of giving Barton a realistic chance of being on the 2007 team, and the early extra year as the A's first baseman.
Of course, this idea hinges on Dan Johnson being a known quantity, which may or may not actually be true. If we can assume that at his best, Johnson will only be an average first baseman (and based on last season, that may be a generous assessment), then he should be fairly easily replaced. However, there is the slight possibility (something that Beane has alluded to), that Johnson could be more than simply average; he could put up the slugging numbers commonly associated with his position, something the A's need to make up for the rest of their team, who all seem to hold nominations for the popular 'good defense, no offense' category.
However, if we're being realistic, there aren't too many signs that point to Dan Johnson being the player we need at that position, unless the famous dress rehearsal theory applies to dismal sophomore seasons and their subsequent years. As we well remember, for the majority of last year, Johnson inspired little confidence in his abilities to adjust to pitches, or really, even to make any contact except weak ground balls. I guess it's good that he stays healthy when he swings, though?
On the other hand, Daric Barton has long been a top prospect for the future, and as much as you can predict the success of a player from the minor leagues to the majors, he is considered a slam-dunk. Of course, this assessment can be taken with a grain of salt until he is actually major-league tried, but if we're weighing the upside of Daric against what we know about Dan, it makes less and less sense to dogmatically start the season with Dan if Daric puts up any kind of a challenge.
Spring Training is still months away; yet without another bat on the horizon, the A's need to start asking some questions:
- Can Dan Johnson erase last season and recover his minor league title of "Player That Actually Can Hit The Ball More Than Once A Month"?
- Will Daric Barton be a better hitter than Dan Johnson?
- Will Daric Barton match the offensive production of Dan Johnson, and get an early start in the majors, an invaluable teaching lesson for a rookie poised to take over the position?
- Will Daric Barton provide a little less offensive power than Dan Johnson, yet still get an extra year of experience in the majors to help the A's in 2008?
- Is it even possible for Daric Barton to be that much worse than Dan Johnson?
Dan vs. Daric. To be settled in Phoenix. Could we, and should we, see an upset?
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It would take a great spring training
I still think that if DJ puts up numbers like his rookie year that he will be able to hang onto the job for awhile at least. Barton is too good of a player to keep in the minors anymore though.
Best case scenario is that both of them are doing well and hte A's are able to trade DJ to help another area
by TexasAsfan on Dec 17, 2006 6:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 17, 2006 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you have to point out...
by str8tarrow on Dec 17, 2006 6:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
great diary
DJ will probably do okay in spring training, getting the job for opening day and a month or two of insurance. I think the A's would delay in promoting Daric even if it's the most obvious scenario (Daric excelling at AAA and Dan flirting with the Mendoza line in early June) and wait until July 1st. They never seem to take the season terribly seriously before that date anyway, and I think Daric's ideal scenario for getting the job next summer is unlikely to happen.
by rebus on Dec 17, 2006 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Spring Training
Personally, I'd rather give Barton some time in AAA to learn to play 1B and to let him get some at bats in. Besides if he comes up after June 1 don't we have him for another year before he becomes a free agent?
by Larry E on Dec 17, 2006 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't see him being any
by ak_A on Dec 17, 2006 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Barton is unlikely,
There is precedent for a rookie performing too well in spring training to be denied a spot--that's what happened with Huston Street. It's not about stats, it's just about how ready they look to perform against big league competition.
That all being said, barring a "he's the best hitter on the team right now" spring training scenario, I see Barton getting another 1/2 season in AAA--basically the 1/2 season he lost in 2006--to learn 1B, discover his doubles-HR power potential, and remain under contract control in that 2013 season I know we all have our eyes on at the moment.
It's difficult for a fan to hold the 2007 and 2013 seasons at the same time; it's Billy Beane's job to do so.
by Nico on Dec 17, 2006 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Totally OT
by salb918 on Dec 17, 2006 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Keeping him
Not only that, the very best we can hope from him production-wise next year is .290/.380 with no power. He struggled in AAA last year, whereas DJ mashed. I think DJ would probably have a better season than Barton next year, but even if that is wrong, Barton would have to be a significant upgrade in the first half to justify wasting a year of contract control.
by mikeA on Dec 17, 2006 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember a post last month
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 17, 2006 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the A's are too worried,
by Nico on Dec 17, 2006 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give Barton every chance I could
I do worry that the 2006 version of Dan vs. Daric will be more like Dan vs. Dave than we'd like -- big hopes and expectations -- followed by one guy not making the team and the other guy having a disappointing performance.
My prediction:
Daric Barton
.260/.345/.400
Dan Johnson
.320/.430/.540 -- in Sacramento
after posting:
.240/.330/.380 -- through 40 games in Oakland.
I hope I'm wrong.
by devo on Dec 17, 2006 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Both are mediocre responses at this point
DJ & Swisher 1B stats for '06:
avg obp slg ops hr 2b
238 335 400 735 09 10 Johnson 316 PA vs RHP
238 340 416 756 14 09 Swisher 325 PA vs LHP
Both are surprisingly mediocre at 1B.
Swisher LF stats for '06:
271 401 579 980 21 15 Swisher 322 PA mostly vs RHP
Swisher becomes a masher in LF and his defense is quite acceptable with Kotsay or Bradley in CF. He replaces the outfield loss of JPay nicely and we end up with 3 fulltime OFers: Swisher, Kotsay, Bradley, and 4th OFer Kielty to give guys a break vs LHPs. This is a major league outfield.
GoGo Goleski went-went. His A's future is now unclear. The 5th outfielder can now be obtained or we upgrade 1B with a an experienced player capable of 1B, 3B, or OF.
I'll post more on this later...
by A s Eh on Dec 17, 2006 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Side note on Barton
by mikeA on Dec 17, 2006 12:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Daric needs a full AAA year
by Joey C. on Dec 17, 2006 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I 100% would make it Barton
I like going with the guy wth the most upside and I think that is easily Daric. Even if he struggles, not going to be a huge step down from DJ.
by OaktownPower on Dec 17, 2006 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In addition...
by OaktownPower on Dec 17, 2006 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we've still got a lot of off season left
by rebus on Dec 17, 2006 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vote for Barton
Doubt it.
Will Daric Barton be a better hitter than Dan Johnson?
I think so. He has much better plate discipline.
Will Daric Barton match the offensive production of Dan Johnson, and get an early start in the majors, an invaluable teaching lesson for a rookie poised to take over the position?
I think that he would on the offense, but won't get brought up early (or at all) next year. Not because he's a pretty awful first basemen (DJ is as well), but because for some reason the A's think that "more AAA" is better for hitter development than facing the big league pitching.
Is it even possible for Daric Barton to be that much worse than Dan Johnson?
After seeing both for their stints in AAA, I don't think so. DJ is terrible defensively, and Barton is not much better. But DJ does not appear to be improving, whereas Barton might. If it were me, I'd give Barton the shot this year and not waste any more time with DJ.
by catfan on Dec 17, 2006 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Terrible defense???
by Athletics Fan In London on Dec 17, 2006 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
by Philip Christy on Dec 17, 2006 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ
by SA on Dec 17, 2006 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Barton
BB still has the option of keeping Swish at first base and making either or both of them part of a trade to get another outfielder.
For my money a new guy in LF and Swish at first is at least as likely as DJ or DB making the final roster.
by galraen on Dec 17, 2006 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
by rebus on Dec 18, 2006 3:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No links
Evidently he was of the opinion that defensive training was a waste of time, end effectively blew Ron Washington off. As a result (it's alledged) he was kicked out and sent to the minor league camp.
by galraen on Dec 18, 2006 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Check out this trade offer:
Reds trade: Adam Dunn, Kyle Lohse, Johnny Cueto
A's trade: Rich Harden, Mark Kotsay, Daric Barton, Connor Robertson
Wow. The thing that makes this deal more lopsided is that if Dunn is traded, his 2nd year option is voided. This would be a 1-year rental for Dunn.
by JJ on Dec 18, 2006 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Spring training
If johson can not hit and Daric is heating things up in aaa then we will see.
Bean puts little weight in spring training
by scottofchico on Dec 18, 2006 12:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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