My .02 on losing Wash...
This started as a comment in regards to Blez's open thread of losing Ron Washington to the Rangers. As I drafted this, I realized that this was becoming a diary rather than a comment, therefore it became a new diary.
I am happy that Wash has gotten his shot running a big league club, even if it isn't the A's.
When I first heard the news this morning, the two things I thought of was 1) damn, I was hoping he would run my favorite team, and 2) what kind of backlash is this going to have on the Oakland A's community of loyal fans.
Going with the second thought, the popular opinion right now is that Billy Beane goofed. I don't think this is farther from the truth.
Why? Because I admire the fact he's taking this managerial approach a little differently. When he hired Macha back in 2003, a part of it felt to me that he wanted him to manage because he didn't want to lose him to another team, and to keep the continuity here in Oakland. And at the time a lot of players were happy to see him get the chance. Four years later now comes of reports that he wasn't a great communicator. If players thought he was good for the job back in 2003, then he must have been more accessible to the players, but something changed once the job title of "manager" was bestowed upon him.
Last year the possible replacments before Macha came back were all in-house.
What am I saying? By Beane not hiring Wash or Geren right away, he is showing that he is not doing buisness the same way that he was before. The same way that he was before obviouisly was not working, so by bringing in all kinds of managerial candidates and conducting a lengthy interview process, he is taking this time around a little differently. And even if it meant losing Wash to the Rangers, I applaud him for it. You can even look at the Rick Peterson to Curt Young transition and say that he had no problem with Peterson going to the Mets because he had Young already in his mind to replace him. It looks like this is the first time in the Beane regime that he had no obvious replacment in his head before he made the change, and he and all of us might be better off for it.
You can be angry about the fact that the Rangers acted faster, but then again this is the difference between Beane and Jon Daniels. Daniels is still learning on the job. I'm sure a big selling point for hiring Wash was, not only that he thinks he's capable for the job, but to also weaken one of their division rivals. I think the Rangers will get better under Wash, but I don't see the Rangers being the latest team to win it all with their next manager after they fired Buck Showalter.
One other thing about Wash lending his expertise to the Ranger infield in making them better: I don't buy it. One of his primary jobs with the A's during practice was to make the infield better defensively. This will not be his primary job in Texas. It could be his primary job to oversee someone on the coaching staff to help make the infield defense better, and if they don't I wouldn't be surprised if he acted swiftly on that matter. As far as our defense being worse now that he's gone, a few thoughts come to mind:
- Chavez will not get worse due to his past tutelige with Wash
- Whoever takes over as manager will continue to stress defense as this is a club built on it, and Wash's replacement here will probably sustain what Wash has done
- Now you have another Gold Glove voter in Wash who will vote for Ellis for the fine defensive credibility that he deserves
- Now the question becomes who the next manager of the A's will be. For some reason, I think he's going out of the orginazation on this one. He's giving Bob Geren a good shot, and it's clear that Geren is A) the next manager of the A's being smoke-screened by a long interview process so nobody thinks that Beane is just hiring his friend out of friendship, or B) getting his chance at the job but will probably lose out to one of the outside guys. If I were to put money down on who is getting hired, my hunch is Trey Hillman, because A) he knows how to get a smaller major league club to win the whole enchilada, B) he believes in offensive strategies that work for the personnel you have, and C) going outside of the MLB (since he's now holding a job down in Japan) is the opposite 180 of what Beane has done in the past, hiring guys that only wear green and gold.
I thank Wash for his time with the A's. And I wish him the best with the Rangers.
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Knowing Beane and Co., who knows what psychological and statistical questions they ask the candidates in the interviews. Someone's probably sitting in the background graphing a personality pie-chart.
I guess Washington wasn't prepared for that.
by fadedash on Nov 6, 2006 4:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff
Maybe it's just me, but some of the reaction to Washington's leaving makes me feel like it's one of those recent months of May -- as if the A's have lost 10 in a row and dead in the water. Yikes.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 6, 2006 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well remember
(waves little flag)
by Amnesiac727 on Nov 6, 2006 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
huh
by Satchmo22 on Nov 6, 2006 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Billy Beane, thats for sure!
by Amnesiac727 on Nov 6, 2006 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Amnesiac--
by Nico on Nov 6, 2006 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure
by Salvatore on Nov 6, 2006 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
News flash, there, guy
by hunter on Nov 6, 2006 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, Nico
Just this morning I was emailing a friend, mentioning that Beane's popularity among the fans today is lower than I've seen it ever, though it's still above 50%.
I'd be very interested in knowing what Billy's "approval rating" on AN is right now. Straight up poll, no joke answers, just Billy Beane: approve or disapprove? Use whatever criteria you think appropriate, and if you can't pick one or the other don't vote.
by iglew on Nov 7, 2006 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your bitchin' is tiresome there chum
by bigelephant on Nov 6, 2006 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
by bigelephant on Nov 6, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it's all just
by Salvatore on Nov 6, 2006 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
home A's uni with Dave Stewart's name and number on the back.
I hope you like those Ranger's colors.
And take that "...727" dude with ya.
by bigelephant on Nov 6, 2006 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Job Big E
Uh no. Because last time I checked this blog was created so that one could voice their opinions about this team. So because my opinions dont match yours I must leave? At any point has anyone said "Jeez BigE, why dont you get the hell out of here and go root for the Rangers! and take all your other buddies who disagree, with you". As far as I know Nico, BBG, Sal,and Blez, might really disagree with me but at no point has anyone of them said "You know what Amnesiac, why dont you take your opinions somewhere else?" and Im no rocket scientist but something tells me if anyone has any right to say something like that to me, it is the guys who run this joint.
But for the record, Im not leaving. Yes Nico, you are correct, what I describe is a small minority, there are a ton of people on here who provide a great enviroment for a good debate on many a things without resorting to frat-guy-like insults and chastising of those who might disagree with the popular belief.
Now to adress he/she who says my bitching has gotten tiresome? I have made (count it) ...1 other comment lately on Billy Beane and heck Ill even provide you the link right here
I think two comments about BB and one which was intended as satire before some people started ripping heads off, does not counts as tiresome. could it be that Im voicing my opinion? ...nah! who does that nowadays?
And BigE Im glad you have a Stewart Jersey, I wouldnt mind having one myself. However, dont go off on someone and question their loyalty to this team and then say youre a true loyal fan because you have a Stewart jersey. $200 doesnt buy you the right to make others think they are lesser fans than you, there are other on here who have gone to the ends of this earth for this team, yet none of them are showing it off like a shinny new badge.
[Drops Microphone, walks off stage]
by Amnesiac727 on Nov 7, 2006 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Mr. big
by Salvatore on Nov 7, 2006 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<sends Amnesiac invoice
:-}
by Nico on Nov 7, 2006 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<files for bankruptcy, pays Nico in beads>
by Amnesiac727 on Nov 7, 2006 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whinny crap?
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which pony?
Maybe this X-Mas, though...
by Nico on Nov 7, 2006 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
loved this post
by Satchmo22 on Nov 6, 2006 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great diary
I'd prefer to see Hillman or Black as the manager next year, in that order. I think Hillman could part of the newest trend you see the A's get ahead of the curve on, managers with knowledge of the international game and in particular Japanese players. I'd love to see the A's make a run at Akinori Iwamura to play SS or 2B, with Ellis and Croz fighting it out for the other starting spot and the loser filling the UTL role.
by gatling on Nov 6, 2006 8:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right A's fan
I think it would be fascinating to see something like this develop.
Regarding Wash, I'm definitely going to miss him. I also think he is more likely to have a successful career by leaving than he would have if he'd stayed in Oakland. As the new Manager in Texas, he has the opportunity to reinvent himself as he sees fit. It is often difficult for a member of a crew of any sort to step up and become the new leader.
It was posted elsewhere that he might not be a big help to Texas and the best they'll do is 85 wins next year. I disagree. Assuming Wash is as sharp as we've been lead to believe, I think the Rangers could improve to a 90 win team by some manager initiated tweaks:
- An Organization wide focus on pitching to contact, coupled by excellent defense instruction, Wash would need to delegate this, but there are plenty of guys who can coach.
- A constant communication to the pitchers to pound the strikezone, we're in it for the whole season, don't waste your arm on out of the zone pitches. A manager doesn't have to be a pitching coach to communicate that this is what he expects. It seems like Texas issued way too many walks last year.
- Basic adherence to the "Moneyball" OBP philosophy, the Rangers are well suited to this offensive style anyway, especially at home.
I also think bringing in an outsider works for the A's, and especially from the perspective of putting the clubhouse back in order. If BB hires Wash or Geren it sends a status quo is okay message to the team.
An outside guy says: your feedback was listened to and taken into account, but I pick who runs the show here.
I think that is okay.
I do hope BB and the Braintrust is getting a ton of good ideas from all these interviews conducted with everyone.
I'm gonna miss Wash tho.
by connie mack on Nov 6, 2006 8:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, if you want someone who is familiar
by rfloh on Nov 6, 2006 10:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have a problem
by gatling on Nov 6, 2006 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
- Past instruction doesn't guarantee future success - see Zito and Peterson. Zito's performance declined after Peterson left regardless of what they had discussed in the back.
- Washington voting for Ellis to get a gold glove does absolutely nothing to ensure the A's remain a quality defensive team.
by IndianaAsfan on Nov 7, 2006 6:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Discussed in the back
by IndianaAsfan on Nov 7, 2006 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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