Do You Know the Way to Fremont A's?
One thing you can say about the Athletics is that their offseasons are never, ever dull. They don't sit around wringing their hands for news.
It appears like the inevitable will finally soon be announced. The Oakland Athletics are going to be moving to Fremont, California. (can you believe they misspelled Lew Wolff's name?)
This will obviously disenfranchise many an Oakland resident, but ultimately, we all knew this was coming. Many of us didn't want it to happen, but the truth is that Oakland has much greater problems to deal with than whether or not they can keep our Athletics. On the grand scale of societal issues, placating a major league team was way down on the list with many thanks due to how Al Davis screwed the city.
Any way, I feel much the same way about this as I do about Ron Washington leaving. A legacy will be lost, and likely a bit of soul along with it. At the same time, the opportunities for the A's (don't know whether to call them the "Oakland" A's now or not) will be abundant in Fremont. They should be able to draw quite a few businesses from the Silicon Valley just because of the team's proximity to those businesses now. And we all know in this new sports world where the real money is...it isn't from John Q. Public and his measly season tickets, it's from huge corporate sponsors and luxury boxes. The Coliseum, while it's a nice home, was essentially destroyed by Mount Davis.
There are many different ways this can work out. This can wind up being a Pirates situation where the new ballpark doesn't do much for the team in terms of attendance OR as I think it will probably go, a new ballpark is a drawing card for Californians. Californians are a different breed. While many of us here on AN live and die with every single move our A's make, the majority of those who follow baseball casually in the Bay Area probably don't realize Macha has been fired and Ron Washington is now the manager of a rival team. In order to fill a stadium regularly, you need to get those people there. And I'm sorry, but the Coliseum was woefully inadequate on nights when it was full. I remember going to the ALCS game and not being able to move in the walkways just to go get a freaking soda. It would take 20 minutes to a half an hour just to get to the front of a line and order a Mountain Dew.
I'm hoping that the A's work some elements of the Coliseum into the new stadium, like I love the excessive foul ground because it shows off players amazing abilities (like Chavez), but the truth is that I'm going to miss that old concrete bowl. It's given me a lot of great memories.
Again, I know many of you are going to be pissed off about this, but I'd like to think that the A's being able to stop losing players like Tejada, Giambi, Hudson, Mulder and Zito will help alleviate your pain. More revenues from a stadium means more long-term Athletics. Fortunately, many of those players broke down after they left the A's, but many fans are still attached to those players.
I'm excited about the concept of a new stadium and what it could do to help the A's in the long-term. I don't think it means that they will be more likely to re-sign someone like Zito this year, but when some of the other contracts come up down the road, like Nick Swisher and Milton Bradley, perhaps the A's open the wallet a little more. It also puts a little needle right into the Giants because the A's are essentially moving right next door to where the Giants draw the majority of their fanbase. The tide may turn in the Giants/A's casual fan battle just by simple geography.
Any way, right now, it still remains speculation until we see it in multiple places. It's funny, I told an AN member as we were leaving our last game this year, I think the A's are going to announce a move to Fremont this offseason. I just didn't expect it to happen so soon.
What do you think, AN? Good move? Bad move? Could the A's have done anything to remain in Oakland? Or was this destiny?
I can say this, I'm just happy the team is staying in the East Bay. Hopefully they retain the name "Oakland Athletics" as well. Hell, if the Pistons can do it, why can't the A's? Then again, calling themselves the "San Jose Athletics" might be advantageous to garnering additional business support. Just don't call yourselves something silly like, "The Bay Area Athletics of Fremont."
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Oh and for anyone wondering
Thanks.
by Blez on Nov 6, 2006 11:12 AM PST 0 recs
sorry bout that
by fadedash on
Nov 6, 2006 11:30 AM PST
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No apology necessary
by Blez on
Nov 6, 2006 11:43 AM PST
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Good or Bad is sort of pointless.
by alox on Nov 6, 2006 11:16 AM PST 0 recs
I say they'll still be the Oakland A's
The Giants can't do anything about the A's moving to Fremont, but since SJ is their "territory" still, they have a say on whether or not the A's can re-name themselves the San Jose A's. Therefore, I still see "Oakland A's in their future."
by gmoneymcg on
Nov 6, 2006 2:45 PM PST
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like blez said
Keep the legacy of 4 championships alive. Even though the "franchise" officially has 9, those Philadelphia ones don't count in my eyes.
by smash on
Nov 6, 2006 6:41 PM PST
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I've probably been to my last A's game
But all my childhood experiences and emotions are tied up with the team being in my hometown.
Fremont is another country to me. I think they have a Fry's, right?
And before you tell me I'm a fairweather fan, save it for all those who wouldn't go to the Coliseum because of Mt. Davis. WTF? The Coliseum was a fine place to a game.
I've been to Pac Bell or whatever they're calling it, and the cutesy beauty of it was fine for an inning -- but I was still bored out of my mind.
Watching sports is all about emotion for me. A's, Raiders, Warriors. As each team moves or dies, my life as a professional sports fan dies with it.
When the Raiders move back to LA, I'll be down to the Warriors. How pathetic is that! But more time for my kids...
by billy north hitting the wall on
Nov 7, 2006 7:30 AM PST
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Totally respect
by Salvatore on
Nov 7, 2006 10:10 AM PST
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CONSPIRACY!!!
by Gerard on Nov 6, 2006 11:18 AM PST 0 recs
Maybe there is one...
Maybe someone wants the current A's story in the local media to be about the move to Fremont, and not about grumbling that the A's let Wash get away.
by socal on
Nov 6, 2006 11:38 AM PST
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Mixed emotions
by billyball1981 on Nov 6, 2006 11:21 AM PST 0 recs
how about the Fremont Mutineers?
by monkeyball on Nov 6, 2006 11:22 AM PST 0 recs
fremont mutineers
by xbhaskarx on
Nov 6, 2006 11:41 AM PST
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I love it...
by OaktownPower on Nov 6, 2006 11:23 AM PST 0 recs
As a relatively new Portland resident,
Plus... Fremont kind of ... um... sucks. Almost anything is better than the colliseum, though.
by HugeAthleticSupporter on
Nov 6, 2006 12:09 PM PST
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Portland is a minor league town
My condolences on your move to the foggy Northwest.
by Mossback on
Nov 6, 2006 12:59 PM PST
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Nice to see you don't generalize much.
by jeepers on
Nov 6, 2006 1:11 PM PST
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There is life after Portland
And no, I didn't.
by Mossback on
Nov 6, 2006 1:31 PM PST
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In any case
by jeepers on
Nov 6, 2006 1:50 PM PST
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What politics?
I observed that Portland is a minor-league town, which it is (home of the Portland Beavers, a Padres farm team), and you accused me of "generalizing."
Are you having a bad hair day?
by Mossback on
Nov 6, 2006 4:38 PM PST
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if having a minor-league team...
And here's the best one: NYC would be a minor league town, because Brooklyn and Staten Island have single-A teams from the NY-Penn League.
A better example of a minor league town is Rochester, NY, home to the AAA Red Wings and the Sabres' AHL affiliate, the Americans. No major league teams, multiple minor league teams.
by Cutthemullet on
Nov 6, 2006 11:27 PM PST
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LOL
by jeepers on
Nov 7, 2006 11:02 AM PST
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A statement
by jeepers on
Nov 7, 2006 11:08 AM PST
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Trust me
by Joey C. on
Nov 6, 2006 5:57 PM PST
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Exiled in Portland
Living there will make you realize how special it is to be in a place where you can cruise on down to the BART station and be carried to the ballpark with a plate of baby back ribs from Willy's 81+ times a year.
by Mossback on
Nov 6, 2006 6:12 PM PST
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barbarian
by monkeyball on
Nov 6, 2006 6:38 PM PST
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Real BBQ
by Mossback on
Nov 6, 2006 6:57 PM PST
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zactly
by monkeyball on
Nov 6, 2006 7:26 PM PST
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With that being said
by Mossback on
Nov 6, 2006 7:57 PM PST
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if it's a minor league town...
by Cutthemullet on
Nov 6, 2006 11:18 PM PST
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Think they would go Bay Area Athletics?
by OaktownPower on Nov 6, 2006 11:23 AM PST 0 recs
Do you really think they give a sh*t...
I'll answer my own question: No!
by FoolshGame22 on
Nov 6, 2006 11:26 AM PST
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Of course not....
by OaktownPower on
Nov 6, 2006 11:44 AM PST
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If a team can appropriate a name like...
by FoolshGame22 on
Nov 6, 2006 11:46 AM PST
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Moreno did it, and he has
by salb918 on
Nov 6, 2006 11:41 AM PST
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Golden State Athletics
by AlwaysSweatin on
Nov 6, 2006 11:45 AM PST
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Don't Know
by Athletix Man on
Nov 6, 2006 1:31 PM PST
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If they have to change the name--
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on
Nov 6, 2006 2:50 PM PST
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It won't be East Bay A's.
It'll stay Oakland, at least for a while, which will help take the sting out for the longtime fans.
by Ozzz on
Nov 6, 2006 3:27 PM PST
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I like the East Bay A's
by SD Erik on
Nov 6, 2006 3:28 PM PST
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i'm sad and excited at the same time
THE A's ARE FINALLY GETTING A NEW BALLPARK!!!!
IN THE BAY AREA!!!
by gotgreen on Nov 6, 2006 11:27 AM PST 0 recs
Goodbye Raiders
by SacTownAthletic on Nov 6, 2006 11:27 AM PST 0 recs
the name should still be "Oakland"
Blez mentioned the Pistons, but a few weeks ago I was thinking of all the pro teams that play in different cities than their team name reflects; let's see how many I can remember:
Pistons play in Auburn Hills
The Jets and Giants play in a different STATE (East Rutherford, NJ)
The Lakers used to play in the Forum in Inglewood
Dallas Cowboys play in Irving, TX
The Buffalo Bills play in Orchard Park, NY
by money baller on Nov 6, 2006 11:28 AM PST 0 recs
Two more...
The Washington Redskins in Landover, Md.
The only other one from the past that I can remember is before the NFL Cardinals were Arizona, they were called Phoenix, but they played in Tempe.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Nov 6, 2006 3:17 PM PST
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Miami Dolphins/Florida Marlins
The Ottawa Senators play in the middle of nowhere; their arena, the Corel Centre, is apparently pink and in the midst of cornfields. Quite the venue.
Lions used to play in Pontiac, Mich, back in the glorious days of the Silverdome.
The Arizona Cardinals' new stadium is, if I remember correctly from the MNF game a few weeks ago, 40 miles away from Phoenix...yeah, they're not the Phoenix Cardinals anymore, but that's quite a distance away from a big city.
Foxborough, MA may be the strangest location for a stadium in pro sports. Small town that's none too close to either Boston or Providence...
that's all I've got
by Cutthemullet on
Nov 6, 2006 11:47 PM PST
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Silicon Valley Athletics
by socal on Nov 6, 2006 11:29 AM PST 0 recs
It sounds like a soccer team name.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on
Nov 6, 2006 2:51 PM PST
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Never happen.
Then, and only then, will they change it to the San Jose Athletics.
by Ozzz on
Nov 6, 2006 3:29 PM PST
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Anyone still believe Oakland was Plan A?
Whether one loves or hates the Fremont move, we should all admit the reality that Wolff et al decided Oakland wasn't going to happen from before the day they bought the team. I will forever despise Wolff for blowing off Oakland and lying about it along the way.
All that said: I may still support the Fremont plan when more facts are in.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 6, 2006 11:30 AM PST 0 recs
but at the same time
by gotgreen on
Nov 6, 2006 11:33 AM PST
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Agreed
by Gerard on
Nov 6, 2006 11:36 AM PST
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Cart/horse
Larry Reid was the guy who said he'd stake his political career on the 66th Ave site working out. His words on Oakland will or anything else are especially hollow.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Nov 6, 2006 11:39 AM PST
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The die was cast...
by BleacherDave on
Nov 7, 2006 3:09 AM PST
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agreed (that's a-"greed"), but ...
Not that they should have, IMSO.
by monkeyball on
Nov 6, 2006 11:34 AM PST
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I always thought Fremont was the plan...
by FoolshGame22 on
Nov 6, 2006 11:36 AM PST
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You should be angrier at Jerry Brown
by jeepers on
Nov 6, 2006 11:54 AM PST
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In other words
by jeepers on
Nov 6, 2006 11:56 AM PST
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Jerry Brown has no soul
But while Jerry killed a great possible site, he did not himself move the A's out of Oakland. Wolffish consciously chose a period of political flux in Oakland (lame duck, polarizing successor candidates, Raider-caused negatives to pols in favor of stadia) in which to give the city a one year ultimatum...and then Lew stopped meeting with Oakland and started meeting with other towns within six months. So while Jerry gets a lot of my anger in other forums, in matters Athletic Brown is the Otis (Ned Beatty) character to Wolffish's Lex Luthor.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Nov 6, 2006 12:22 PM PST
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Let's be honest here.
If you're going to hate anyone, hate everyone, but also be sure to take into account that Wolff could have made a shedload of cash moving the team to Vegas, and instead he sent it 30 minutes down the BART line.
As someone who has to cross an international border and travel four hours to see a Major League ballgame... wear it.
by Ozzz on
Nov 6, 2006 3:32 PM PST
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Vegas?
by andeux on
Nov 6, 2006 3:41 PM PST
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Ladies and gentlemen, your Las Vegas Husseins!
by monkeyball on
Nov 6, 2006 4:15 PM PST
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Brown deserves more blame than you are giving him
by willcmatthews on
Nov 6, 2006 10:06 PM PST
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Let's remember...
by BleacherDave on
Nov 7, 2006 3:12 AM PST
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Wolff has been involved for a long time
The city government of Oakland has made it clear that it has bigger issues than dealing with a sports team (which if you live in Oakland you should praise at least at face value) and hasn't hidden that fact.
The economics of baseball forced the A's to complete this process in a timeline that Oakland could not meet. The timeline was addressed up front, the need was obvious, and Oakland couldn't move forward. Pretty simple business decision.
by titaniumaardvark on
Nov 6, 2006 4:18 PM PST
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uptown site in 02
this is probably a bit reductionist, but it was 4 years and several brain cells ago (spent on lack of sleep...and keeping track of youngins.) So there are probably some details that complete a more detailed picture...
by giambizombie on
Nov 6, 2006 5:09 PM PST
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I disagree 100%, FSU--
by Nico on
Nov 6, 2006 1:20 PM PST
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Just to properly calibrate my credul-o-meter
Lew's motives are pure and sincere: pure dedication to maximizing his asset value, and sincerely not giving a fuck about Oakland and the working class fanbase. Again, that's entirely his right. Doesn't mean I won't hold it against him.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Nov 6, 2006 1:45 PM PST
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Uh...
While it makes a nice us vs. them story -- and one that I've subscribed to over the years -- is this really true?


