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[EDITOR'S NOTE: Believe it or not, I was going to bring this very topic up in coming days. I thought Lilly might be a possibility, but more realistically, I thought Mulder might wind up being the guy because I imagine there won't be too many teams placing much stock in him. And if Mulder gets his injury fixed, he can be one of the most dominating pitchers in the game, especially with the A's infield defense behind him. My one big concern with Mulder was that he became a head case before he left the A's and his career with the Cardinals has been quite up and down. But the A's wouldn't need him to be an ace. They'd essentially need him to fill a role of third or fourth starter behind Harden and Haren. To me, this is exactly the kind of deal Beane looks for because of the A's budget issues. And Mulder was his happiest with the green and gold. - Blez]

Susan Slusser mentions the possibility of Mark Mulder coming back to Oakland:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/18/SPGG9LREB31.DTL

"With Zito a virtual lock to leave, the A's are likely to look for a starter in the offseason, probably a left-hander. Two possibilities, both of them former A's: Mark Mulder, who is still recovering from shoulder surgery, and Ted Lilly, who is a free agent and who has said several times that he'd like to come back to the Bay Area."

I think this is a good idea, if we can get him for cheap.

Low risk/High reward!

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I'm sick of damaged goods.  We need someone who can throw several innings and not get hurt.
"[Frank's] a big battler. He's the mother of battleships."

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Oct 18, 2006 8:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Like Zito?
Durability is a oversaturated market, I believe Beane is thinking.  It just costs too much.  Thats why I think he's trying to exploit depth, and injury prone players who have ridiculously high potential.  
"It is like Menudo, where guys reach a certain age and are kicked out of the band. And they go on to be Ricky Martins somewhere else." -Billy Beane

by WhiteElephantGuy on Oct 18, 2006 11:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Should the A's sign Mulder to
a incentive based multiyear deal? 3 years, $5 million base, $21 million if he hits all the incentives.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 18, 2006 8:14 AM PDT   0 recs

I would...
do that.  I mean he was injured.  Thats why he was a disaster.  

by CyZito on Oct 18, 2006 8:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mulder
He's not getting more than a 1-Year Deal...from anyone.
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe
Gammons is already saying that teams are considering giving Mulder a two year deal in the Lieber/Carpenter sense.  It does make sense for a team; give a guy a small amount the first year and a larger amount the second year when hi islikely to be healthier.  Gammons may be wrong sometimes (Crosby), but he has access to a lot of GMs and the fact that he is reporting this probably means he heard it from GMs.  I would hope the A's would not do this, we need to spend our money elsewhere.
I still think the Big Hurt kicks ass.

by BlameChannel53 on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gammons
said something a couple weeks back about Muler being one of the more intiguing free agent pitchers out there.  intriguing doesnt equal big contract, but id imagne someone gives him more than we're willing to.

by the stare on Oct 18, 2006 2:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
If you sign Mulder for 1 year, you're likely to be paying for his medical and rehab bills. Then, once he is "fixed", he goes elsewhere.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 19, 2006 6:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love to see Lilly back,
He's a damn fine pitcher. I expect his asking price to be way overvalued given the FA pool, though.

Mulder, though... Honestly, the sentimental side of me loves it because I love that man, but even the pragmatic part of me is a bit interested. I don't think it would happen think I think some team out there'll be willing to take a bigger chance on the track record.

But depending what the team doctors say, if he was willing to sign a Frank-esque incentive-laden 1- or 2- year deal? Can't really lose out too much on that, if it does look like he'll be ready to go for the beginning of the season. It'd be far more sensible to take a shot on that than a lot of other options.

If Mulder wants serious guaranteed money, though... Screw that.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Oct 18, 2006 8:20 AM PDT   0 recs

The problem with an incentive deal
is that we will come to depend on the guy to take a spot in the rotation.  If he fails to perform, which given Mulder's recent history of ailments both known and unknown is not unlikely, we will be scrambling once again to fill his spot with a Jason Windsor or Brad Halsey.
"[Frank's] a big battler. He's the mother of battleships."

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Oct 18, 2006 8:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Mulder scenario is intriguing
but like others have already indicated here, I'm not totally convinced he'll be undervalued enough in the marketplace to be affordable. It really depends what the medical reports are on him as the offseason progresses; if they're positive enough, then there'll be other clubs with more breathing-room financially who'd maybe take a shot on a one or two year deal with a higher base than we would/could offer, just based on age and track record prior to the spate of injuries that derailed this past season and affected him the year before, too.
Lilly wouldn't be a bad idea either, but in a free agent market that looks tight on quality starters again this year he'll probably command more guaranteed money and years than Beane can offer him.
Never know, though. I'm sure Beane wants a lefty in the rotation (who doesn't?!) so you can't rule out either idea, but I'd be more inclined to think he'll give Kennedy a shot at the rotation (though I think he's proven he's better in a relief role now) or have some other "under the radar" guys in mind...
I wouldn't be averse to either Mulder or Lilly though- they both have their question marks attached, but then that's why we're even thinking it could happen, right?

by still bills kingdom on Oct 18, 2006 8:54 AM PDT   0 recs

perhaps a low base pay with
considerable incentives for one year might be something to consider. If it didn't work out the A's would still need to bring in someone that they're considering anyway...and you can never have too much pitching (either for the roster, in training in the minors, and as trade bait).

by OaklandSi on Oct 18, 2006 8:56 AM PDT   0 recs

If Mulder was brought back
it would be on a Frank Thomas type 1 year deal.

by Zonis on Oct 18, 2006 8:58 AM PDT   0 recs

I'd take Lilly over Mulder
To be honest. Mulder was in steep decline even by the time he left the A's, and now that his arms all amess I wouldn't touch that unless it were like a really low risk type deal. We're talking Frank Thomas or Wade Miller type deals.
there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Oct 18, 2006 9:09 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree
Mulder only in a one year, low base-high incentive deal.

If they're willing to spend more, go after Lilly.

by OaklandSi on Oct 18, 2006 9:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

mulder also burned some bridges when he left
with some chirpy comments about the a's as an organization. that being said, if he'd take a thomas-esque contract (if he passes our training staff's approval - and hopefully we're talking about a new training staff after this year's organization-wide injury problem), we have nothing to lose. but, you know somebody will offer him a better contract, on his 2001-mid 2004 reputation. if lilly would accept a reasonable contract, that would be a very smart pickup. he pitched very well at times last year, and has talked about playing in the bay area again.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Oct 18, 2006 9:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

a new training staff
headed by former Giants training head Stan Conte?

That would be a great move.

by OaklandSi on Oct 18, 2006 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Forget Stan Conte
I want Victor Conte. I heard he has some magic pills.
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by louismg on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

abso-freaking-lutely
pretty much any training staff that has a track record of not having many of their top MLB players, along with virutally every one of their top minor league prospects, suffer major injuries in one year will do. and a hard-ass trainer that tells blanton and kennedy to drop 20 pounds each in the offseason.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Oct 18, 2006 11:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And if Blanton tells the hard-ass trainer
to f*** himself? This are highly paid baseball playersw with guaranteed contracts, not high school or college football players.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 19, 2006 6:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

then blaton's a wise ass know it all
blaton is young, not exactly established and if someone who is established in their field tells him to drop 20 lbs to improve his pitching.  i would think he'd be likely to listen.  needless to say improved pitcing = imporoved pay.

by methodrampage on Oct 19, 2006 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't know about Blanton...
Some guys might actually pitch better big and burly like a softball league player. Mickey Lolich and a few other guys seemed to be comfortable and stable out there with a big gut on them.

by Salvatore on Oct 19, 2006 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bottom line is
some GM will pay mulder more than he's worth.  he's not coming back.

lilly would be interesting since it would probably only be between the a's and the giants if he really wants to return to the bay area.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 18, 2006 9:43 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm all for it
but I agree with you that Mulder is going to get paid regardless of the injury.  I see a 3 yr/$30M deal in his future, possibly with the Red Sox.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't go that far
I see some teams stretching out like 13/2 possibly. Someone's going to overpay for what is a very, very, very flawed pitcher at this point, but most teams probably recognize that he's a flawed pitcher nonetheless, without perhaps knowing just how flawed.
there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Oct 18, 2006 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Never underestimate
the power of being young, left-handed, and "a good athlete."
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"probably"?
So you're not 100% ruling out all the other Bay Area teams?
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 18, 2006 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kind of like some GM
did with Loaiza last year?

by IndianaAsfan on Oct 18, 2006 7:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Loaiza
It's not happening with Lilly or Mulder. There were question marks when Beane got Loaiza with people saying, "he's finding Zito's replacement a year early." We seemingly already had enough pitching going into '06 (if you assumed Harden's health), and yet Beane got a 200-inning starter anyway...KNOWING that he wouldn't have the resources to sign one when Zito left because the market has priced us out.
You can't find anyone even Loaiza-quality on the market anymore for his price; there's less pitching depth on the FA market now than there was last year.
Our pitching basically is what it is. From the group of Jerome Williams, Komine, Guaudin, Windsor, Kennedy, Halsey, Dan Meyer...someone needs to step up and make 30 starts.
That's not that intimidating. It's a big group, someone will step up.

by calpolyjackson on Oct 18, 2006 10:08 AM PDT   0 recs

None of those options is a young stud
that you'd be blocking with a low-risk 1-year Mulder deal.  They're all retreads or 2nd/3rd tier prospects, or coming off injuries.  IF Mulder could be had for a Thomas-like deal, I don't see why you wouldn't try it.  Worst case scenario is that you're back to the list you presented and out a million or so on Mulder.

P.S.  I think another team will overpay for Mulder.  Whoever bids on Zito and doesn't get him will be in the hunt.

by boilerdan on Oct 18, 2006 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gaudin
I consider him a young stud.
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Oct 18, 2006 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

possibly
if he can learn to throw good offspeed pitches and work on his control this offseason, i see him as the frontrunner for the open spot in the rotation. he's got plenty of stuff, and after pitching in a lot of high pressure situations this season, hopefully the moxie.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Oct 18, 2006 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Offspeed pitches are learned
in game situations.  Throwing them in bullpen sessions is totally different than in a game because offspeed pitches require feel and a proper grip.  Both of these are affected by nerves and adrenaline.

by IndianaAsfan on Oct 18, 2006 7:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes
gaudin 1st, windsor 2nd, lilly at 7 million per X 2 plus a mutual option ( i might be willing to go three, but it's risky). all options for the 5th spot.

but i'd prefer gaudin.

"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Oct 1st: GMS:68,AVG:.271,OBP:.362,SLG:.419, doubles:12, homers:5, RBI:20

by bigelephant on Oct 18, 2006 2:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Problem is
that if Harden goes down again, that number of starts doubles, and I don't think the A's can withstand that. If you could reasonably count on Harden for 30 starts, then I would agree that the A's could use this group in the #5 spot. But as 40% of the rotation? No way.

I am not in favor of signing Mulder. The whole point of acquiring a starting pitcher is to avoid the scenario I described above if Harden goes down, and Mulder does not accomplish that given his own health issues. Plus, Mulder has the additional risk that even if he is healthy enough to pitch, he could very easily pitch terribly.

If the money is there, the A's should get someone reasonably reliable like Lilly. If not, I think they should stockpile additional depth on the cheap and consider moving Duke into the rotation.

"You are not very good, Dad. You always lose." --Dylan

by dylantravis on Oct 18, 2006 5:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

williams and meyer
Personally I hope either of these two can put it all together and step up. They are the two players that have had the most "upside" in the past based on minor league rankings in the past.

by Cherry22 on Oct 22, 2006 12:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know I'm a head case
I respond to my own posts

by calpolyjackson on Oct 18, 2006 10:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Which Mulder?
I think we all want to fall in love with the idea of Mulder returning to the pitcher he once was instead of being honest with ourselves.  The guy is horrible now and may not be worthy of our #5 spot.

If the deal is based on incentives then I'm all for it but my expectations are extremely low and I probably have more confidence right now in Saarloos.

"A's Brand Baseball: The worst best baseball you've ever seen!" -Chavvy

by ohtobe21likehuston on Oct 18, 2006 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree
Hand it Los Kirk. His last two starts were very solid, and his strike outs were way up. He is a quality starter. save the money for a quality bat, or a real lead off hitter.

by billyball1981 on Oct 18, 2006 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i think an injured shoulder contributed a lot
to his bad pitching.
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Oct 18, 2006 7:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

in Oakland and St. Louis?
I wasn't aware of an injury while he was in Oakland but he sure pitched us out of the playoffs by losing to the Royals and others.
"A's Brand Baseball: The worst best baseball you've ever seen!" -Chavvy

by ohtobe21likehuston on Oct 19, 2006 6:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Love It!
If we can sign Mark Mulder for a Frank Thomas-esque incentive-laden deal, I absolutely love the idea. Mulder has been a fantastic pitcher in the past who has struggled recently. If he can work out his issues, we've got a Cy Young caliber pitcher for cheap.

If not the A's aren't out a whole lot of money and I'm sure he'd be a fine guy to have in the bullpen, if nothing else. I mean, even at his worst he can't be worse than Saarlos or Halsey.

Plus, man, what a burn on St Louis: in return for a few shakey years of Mulder they gave us Kiko, Haren and Barton. And we got Mulder back! I can hear Beane laughing all the way to the playoffs!

by limecat on Oct 18, 2006 10:23 AM PDT   0 recs

Best Part of Getting Mulder Back
would be the return of the 1 hour 40 minute games.

by nfadil4 on Oct 18, 2006 10:23 AM PDT   0 recs

and that would be the game wherein ...
... the game is called in the top of the third with the A's down 8-0, after Mulder's arm literally separates at the shoulder and flies halfway to the plate; game called on account of the field being covered with projectile vomit from the players and fans?
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 18, 2006 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh man
what did I tell you 'bout posting shit that funny when I'm at my desk having breakfast?  Now I gotta clean this up, damn it monkey!
next A's manager: Diego Chavez *CHANGE DIEGO NOW!!!!*

by emperor nobody on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

haha nice.

by the stare on Oct 18, 2006 2:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hi. I'm Dave Dravecky.
And I resemble that remark.
Tin Roof

by Ice Cream on Oct 18, 2006 7:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Burnt bridges...
I think any snipy comments Mulder made when he was traded was directed at the former owners, not at Beane. No bridges burnt there as far as I can tell.

Also, the first time I heard this brought up as a possibility was by Tim Hudson several months ago when Mulder got DL'd for the season. Just to give credit where it's due.

BTW, no chance we get Lilly. He's going to get a 3-4 year deal from someone for major (around $20mil) bucks. Likewise, Mulder makes no sense either, unless it's a Frank Thomas/Wade Miller-type deal (as someone mentioned earlier).

by beanehead on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 AM PDT   0 recs

Can we have both?
Bring Mulder on with a incentive deal and start him in AAA.  From what I have heard and read he seems to be telling any one who will listen, this is what he wants.  Get him back to his comfort zone away from the media.  I doubt he will have suitors from the NL as too many teams lit him up these last 2 years.  

If Lilly truly wants to come back, he will make it work with the $.  He has been here, he understands he was traded because the A's couldn't afford him.  I do not think the Giants are an option, I seem to remember during a interleague interview that he hates to bat.  Even at his college they had a DH!

while I'm GM, I'd get the black uniform tops back into the mix, make high socks mandatory and add a beer tap in the press box-Mychael Urban

by jb on Oct 18, 2006 10:33 AM PDT   0 recs

My cousin is trying to get into vet school
It is hard. there aren't many schools out there and UCDavis is considered one of the best.  Plus there are a lot of wealthy horse owners and pet owners in the bay area.
If Lilly's wife is serious about her career and ready to get it going it makes sense that he is willing to sacrifice some dough to accomodate her career needs.

by connie mack on Oct 19, 2006 10:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mulder coming back?
Seem odd enough, it may not happen. Although, a rotation of Mulder, Haren, Harden, Loaiza, and Blanton sounds interesting. Also, Beane likes a lefty in the rotation. Is there another lefty starter in free agent market?
Macha is a great manager. -Ron Washington

by pachydermOAFC on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT   0 recs

Billy will stay away
an emotional Mulder deal.  

He was a disaster in 2H 2004.  Billy never forgets (just like an elephant).

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 AM PDT   0 recs

My thoughts on Mulder:
When he cracked his hip there was an article in the Trib about how he was rehabbing at home in AZ to get ready for the playoffs.

They said that he was using an experimental drug called HGH that was used to restimulate bone growth and that nobody had ever returned from the type of injury he suffered.

Now, he stinks and got hurt.

He never had a fastball and would more than likely, without PEDs, be a waste of any amount of money spent on him.

He may be able to come back through rehab, so he is worth a minor league deal, similar to the jerome Williams deal.

Maybe even a Minimum guarantee with bonuses and vested options for for performance. That's it.

"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 AM PDT   0 recs

Source?
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oakland Tribune from September of '03:
I read it with my own eyes.

This is before HGH was on the banned substance list.

"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint on Oct 18, 2006 10:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting.
Thanks.  If it was just used in the course of treatment for his hip, I don't think that makes him damaged goods, per se.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait
People still read the Tribune?
"so... I'll take that as 'none of your business'" ~ ArakSOT

by eamb on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure beats the Chron most days!!!
Suchon is my favorite A's writer.
"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint on Oct 18, 2006 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mulder's treatment was written up in
the new England Journal of Medicine (if memory serves me correctly).  They did use a form of HGH to help the hip heal faster.  It was fairly well documented.  This was not some back room under-the-table treatment by any means.
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Oct 18, 2006 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you sure it was HGH?
The way I remember it, it was an off-label use of a drug that was commonly used for stimulating bone growth in old people suffering from osteoperosis (or something like that), but had not been extensively tested in treating fractures in younger people. I don't remember it being HGH, though it may have been related.

Will Carroll wrote about it at the time, but I can't find the article now (maybe someone with a BPro subscription can look through the archives there). He was openly critical of the A's for using off-label drugs in this case, but then, he's not a doctor.

Some are sabermetricians.

by andeux on Oct 18, 2006 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Forteo
Was the drug Mulder was reportedly using.
Can Mark Mulder come back this season? Probably not. But because of a hormone treatment called Forteo that could be one of the most significant medical breakthroughs of the last decade, it's possible. The drug is to build bone mass and heal osteopathic fractures, an osteoporosis miracle, and it is assumed that it can help in the healing of all fractures, which is why it is part of the treatment for Mulder and Michael Vick. Mulder has been running in water and throwing, and nothing has been written off.
"...I say let's get the boys together again and take another shot."

by Jennifer on Oct 18, 2006 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

re
Forteo is in no way a PED.  What a bullshit accusation Saint.  You should show a little care before you throw something like that around.

by 31Boots on Oct 18, 2006 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

easy there, doc
If Mulder can't perform because his hip is disintegrating, and the drug Forteo stops his hip from disintegrating, then just how, exactly, is Forteo not a "performance-enhancing drug"?

Now, yes, saint is perhaps being a bit fast and loose with his terminology in all but accusing Mulder of being a doper -- but that's no excuse for you to do the same.

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 18, 2006 1:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been trying to search
for information on this.  It's AMAZING how difficult it is to find an accurate list of banned substances in baseball.  At once place I stopped, they claimed that such a list is not published "because any published list would quickly become obsolete."  Have you heard of the Internet, people?

Forteo (or teriparatide) is a synthetically produced form of human parathyroid hormone 1-34.  It's apparently really expensive, has debated benefits, and needs to be taken daily via subcutaneous injection.  It is not on the closest thing I could find to a banned substances list.

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Will Carroll had a similar Q about this
dokomoy (Los Angeles): In "The Juice" you talked about how someone( i think Mark Mulder) was given some sort of medication usually prescribed to arthirits [sic] suffering seniors, do you expect MLB to try and make it more difficult for players to do stuff like that?

Will Carroll : I think you're thinking of Forteo, a drug used to prevent osteoporosis and that was reportedly used by Mulder to come back from his hip fracture. I don't think that will be affected by this policy.

Some guy named "Eric Chavez" also used Forteo for a broken hand in 2004.

"...I say let's get the boys together again and take another shot."

by Jennifer on Oct 18, 2006 2:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've never heard of the guy.
"...I say let's get the boys together again and take another shot."

by Jennifer on Oct 18, 2006 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoever he is
he doesn't sound very Mexican.
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Oct 18, 2006 2:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Diego Chavez...
...does, however.
The A's success should surprise no one. They're a much better team than people give them credit for. -- Joe Morgan

by Mossback on Oct 18, 2006 3:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Banned Substances List is moot in this situation
In Mulders case his doctors co-operated with mlb in determining his treatment.  Just as they did with Giambi a few years ago.  What this means is that there was a plan to the quantity and duration that he would be taking this treatment.  If indeed this is or becomes a banned substance and Mark tests positive, the documentation backs up the positive and no harm, no foul.

It is the same way in the NCAA.

while I'm GM, I'd get the black uniform tops back into the mix, make high socks mandatory and add a beer tap in the press box-Mychael Urban

by jb on Oct 18, 2006 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Come on monkey
There is a stigma to PED's that everyone knows about.  If you want to use the literal definition of PED's then include every single anti-inflamatory drug out there, aspirin, caffine, and anything else taken for pain or soreness someone takes to feel better.
When someone accuses a Major League player of using a PED it is pretty commonly understood to be an accusation of being a doper.  The doc is right on in calling saint to the carpet.

by IndianaAsfan on Oct 18, 2006 7:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you are correct
I agree that they're all PEDs -- and I personally don't care if a player is guzzling children's aspirin, echinacea, greenies, off-label bioengineered drugs under a doctor's care, adrenochrome, or gorilla