Got Mulder?
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Believe it or not, I was going to bring this very topic up in coming days. I thought Lilly might be a possibility, but more realistically, I thought Mulder might wind up being the guy because I imagine there won't be too many teams placing much stock in him. And if Mulder gets his injury fixed, he can be one of the most dominating pitchers in the game, especially with the A's infield defense behind him. My one big concern with Mulder was that he became a head case before he left the A's and his career with the Cardinals has been quite up and down. But the A's wouldn't need him to be an ace. They'd essentially need him to fill a role of third or fourth starter behind Harden and Haren. To me, this is exactly the kind of deal Beane looks for because of the A's budget issues. And Mulder was his happiest with the green and gold. - Blez]
Susan Slusser mentions the possibility of Mark Mulder coming back to Oakland:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/18/SPGG9LREB31.DTL
"With Zito a virtual lock to leave, the A's are likely to look for a starter in the offseason, probably a left-hander. Two possibilities, both of them former A's: Mark Mulder, who is still recovering from shoulder surgery, and Ted Lilly, who is a free agent and who has said several times that he'd like to come back to the Bay Area."
I think this is a good idea, if we can get him for cheap.
Low risk/High reward!
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-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on Oct 18, 2006 8:10 AM PDT 0 recs
Like Zito?
by WhiteElephantGuy on
Oct 18, 2006 11:37 AM PDT
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Should the A's sign Mulder to
by rfloh on Oct 18, 2006 8:14 AM PDT 0 recs
I would...
by CyZito on
Oct 18, 2006 8:23 AM PDT
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Mulder
by Colorado Fan on
Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT
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Maybe
by BlameChannel53 on
Oct 18, 2006 10:54 AM PDT
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Gammons
by the stare on
Oct 18, 2006 2:36 PM PDT
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Exactly
by rfloh on
Oct 19, 2006 6:06 AM PDT
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I would love to see Lilly back,
Mulder, though... Honestly, the sentimental side of me loves it because I love that man, but even the pragmatic part of me is a bit interested. I don't think it would happen think I think some team out there'll be willing to take a bigger chance on the track record.
But depending what the team doctors say, if he was willing to sign a Frank-esque incentive-laden 1- or 2- year deal? Can't really lose out too much on that, if it does look like he'll be ready to go for the beginning of the season. It'd be far more sensible to take a shot on that than a lot of other options.
If Mulder wants serious guaranteed money, though... Screw that.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 18, 2006 8:20 AM PDT 0 recs
The problem with an incentive deal
-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on
Oct 18, 2006 8:25 AM PDT
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The Mulder scenario is intriguing
Lilly wouldn't be a bad idea either, but in a free agent market that looks tight on quality starters again this year he'll probably command more guaranteed money and years than Beane can offer him.
Never know, though. I'm sure Beane wants a lefty in the rotation (who doesn't?!) so you can't rule out either idea, but I'd be more inclined to think he'll give Kennedy a shot at the rotation (though I think he's proven he's better in a relief role now) or have some other "under the radar" guys in mind...
I wouldn't be averse to either Mulder or Lilly though- they both have their question marks attached, but then that's why we're even thinking it could happen, right?
by still bills kingdom on Oct 18, 2006 8:54 AM PDT 0 recs
perhaps a low base pay with
by OaklandSi on Oct 18, 2006 8:56 AM PDT 0 recs
I'd take Lilly over Mulder
by walk off bunt on Oct 18, 2006 9:09 AM PDT 0 recs
I agree
If they're willing to spend more, go after Lilly.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 18, 2006 9:19 AM PDT
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mulder also burned some bridges when he left
by guy incognito on
Oct 18, 2006 9:28 AM PDT
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a new training staff
That would be a great move.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 18, 2006 10:04 AM PDT
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Forget Stan Conte
by louismg on
Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT
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abso-freaking-lutely
by guy incognito on
Oct 18, 2006 11:37 AM PDT
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And if Blanton tells the hard-ass trainer
by rfloh on
Oct 19, 2006 6:24 AM PDT
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then blaton's a wise ass know it all
by methodrampage on
Oct 19, 2006 11:09 AM PDT
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Don't know about Blanton...
by Salvatore on
Oct 19, 2006 12:24 PM PDT
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bottom line is
lilly would be interesting since it would probably only be between the a's and the giants if he really wants to return to the bay area.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 18, 2006 9:43 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm all for it
by jeepers on
Oct 18, 2006 10:04 AM PDT
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I wouldn't go that far
by walk off bunt on
Oct 18, 2006 10:05 AM PDT
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Never underestimate
by jeepers on
Oct 18, 2006 10:10 AM PDT
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"probably"?
by monkeyball on
Oct 18, 2006 10:24 AM PDT
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Kind of like some GM
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 18, 2006 7:24 PM PDT
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Loaiza
You can't find anyone even Loaiza-quality on the market anymore for his price; there's less pitching depth on the FA market now than there was last year.
Our pitching basically is what it is. From the group of Jerome Williams, Komine, Guaudin, Windsor, Kennedy, Halsey, Dan Meyer...someone needs to step up and make 30 starts.
That's not that intimidating. It's a big group, someone will step up.
by calpolyjackson on Oct 18, 2006 10:08 AM PDT 0 recs
None of those options is a young stud
P.S. I think another team will overpay for Mulder. Whoever bids on Zito and doesn't get him will be in the hunt.
by boilerdan on
Oct 18, 2006 10:16 AM PDT
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Gaudin
by Colorado Fan on
Oct 18, 2006 11:35 AM PDT
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possibly
by guy incognito on
Oct 18, 2006 11:39 AM PDT
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Offspeed pitches are learned
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 18, 2006 7:26 PM PDT
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yes
but i'd prefer gaudin.
by bigelephant on
Oct 18, 2006 2:42 PM PDT
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Problem is
I am not in favor of signing Mulder. The whole point of acquiring a starting pitcher is to avoid the scenario I described above if Harden goes down, and Mulder does not accomplish that given his own health issues. Plus, Mulder has the additional risk that even if he is healthy enough to pitch, he could very easily pitch terribly.
If the money is there, the A's should get someone reasonably reliable like Lilly. If not, I think they should stockpile additional depth on the cheap and consider moving Duke into the rotation.
by dylantravis on
Oct 18, 2006 5:05 PM PDT
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williams and meyer
by Cherry22 on
Oct 22, 2006 12:30 PM PDT
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I know I'm a head case
by calpolyjackson on Oct 18, 2006 10:09 AM PDT 0 recs
Which Mulder?
If the deal is based on incentives then I'm all for it but my expectations are extremely low and I probably have more confidence right now in Saarloos.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Oct 18, 2006 10:11 AM PDT 0 recs
I agree
by billyball1981 on
Oct 18, 2006 10:22 AM PDT
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i think an injured shoulder contributed a lot
by larrysgurl on
Oct 18, 2006 7:39 PM PDT
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in Oakland and St. Louis?
by ohtobe21likehuston on
Oct 19, 2006 6:08 AM PDT
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I Love It!
If not the A's aren't out a whole lot of money and I'm sure he'd be a fine guy to have in the bullpen, if nothing else. I mean, even at his worst he can't be worse than Saarlos or Halsey.
Plus, man, what a burn on St Louis: in return for a few shakey years of Mulder they gave us Kiko, Haren and Barton. And we got Mulder back! I can hear Beane laughing all the way to the playoffs!
by limecat on Oct 18, 2006 10:23 AM PDT 0 recs
Best Part of Getting Mulder Back
by nfadil4 on Oct 18, 2006 10:23 AM PDT 0 recs
and that would be the game wherein ...
by monkeyball on
Oct 18, 2006 10:27 AM PDT
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oh man
by emperor nobody on
Oct 18, 2006 10:46 AM PDT
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Hi. I'm Dave Dravecky.
by Ice Cream on
Oct 18, 2006 7:01 PM PDT
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Burnt bridges...
Also, the first time I heard this brought up as a possibility was by Tim Hudson several months ago when Mulder got DL'd for the season. Just to give credit where it's due.
BTW, no chance we get Lilly. He's going to get a 3-4 year deal from someone for major (around $20mil) bucks. Likewise, Mulder makes no sense either, unless it's a Frank Thomas/Wade Miller-type deal (as someone mentioned earlier).
by beanehead on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 AM PDT 0 recs
Can we have both?
If Lilly truly wants to come back, he will make it work with the $. He has been here, he understands he was traded because the A's couldn't afford him. I do not think the Giants are an option, I seem to remember during a interleague interview that he hates to bat. Even at his college they had a DH!
by jb on Oct 18, 2006 10:33 AM PDT 0 recs
My cousin is trying to get into vet school
If Lilly's wife is serious about her career and ready to get it going it makes sense that he is willing to sacrifice some dough to accomodate her career needs.
by connie mack on
Oct 19, 2006 10:00 PM PDT
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Mulder coming back?
by pachydermOAFC on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT 0 recs
Billy will stay away
He was a disaster in 2H 2004. Billy never forgets (just like an elephant).
by Sashulia on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 AM PDT 0 recs
My thoughts on Mulder:
They said that he was using an experimental drug called HGH that was used to restimulate bone growth and that nobody had ever returned from the type of injury he suffered.
Now, he stinks and got hurt.
He never had a fastball and would more than likely, without PEDs, be a waste of any amount of money spent on him.
He may be able to come back through rehab, so he is worth a minor league deal, similar to the jerome Williams deal.
Maybe even a Minimum guarantee with bonuses and vested options for for performance. That's it.
by saint on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 AM PDT 0 recs
Source?
by jeepers on
Oct 18, 2006 10:50 AM PDT
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Oakland Tribune from September of '03:
This is before HGH was on the banned substance list.
by saint on
Oct 18, 2006 10:57 AM PDT
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Interesting.
by jeepers on
Oct 18, 2006 11:03 AM PDT
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Wait
by eamb on
Oct 18, 2006 11:03 AM PDT
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Sure beats the Chron most days!!!
by saint on
Oct 18, 2006 11:13 AM PDT
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Mulder's treatment was written up in
by 0R0H0E on
Oct 18, 2006 10:59 AM PDT
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Are you sure it was HGH?
Will Carroll wrote about it at the time, but I can't find the article now (maybe someone with a BPro subscription can look through the archives there). He was openly critical of the A's for using off-label drugs in this case, but then, he's not a doctor.
by andeux on
Oct 18, 2006 11:13 AM PDT
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Forteo
by Jennifer on
Oct 18, 2006 11:26 AM PDT
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re
by 31Boots on
Oct 18, 2006 12:07 PM PDT
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easy there, doc
Now, yes, saint is perhaps being a bit fast and loose with his terminology in all but accusing Mulder of being a doper -- but that's no excuse for you to do the same.
by monkeyball on
Oct 18, 2006 1:19 PM PDT
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I've been trying to search
Forteo (or teriparatide) is a synthetically produced form of human parathyroid hormone 1-34. It's apparently really expensive, has debated benefits, and needs to be taken daily via subcutaneous injection. It is not on the closest thing I could find to a banned substances list.
by jeepers on
Oct 18, 2006 1:33 PM PDT
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Will Carroll had a similar Q about this
Will Carroll : I think you're thinking of Forteo, a drug used to prevent osteoporosis and that was reportedly used by Mulder to come back from his hip fracture. I don't think that will be affected by this policy.
Some guy named "Eric Chavez" also used Forteo for a broken hand in 2004.
by Jennifer on
Oct 18, 2006 2:02 PM PDT
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I've never heard of the guy.
by Jennifer on
Oct 18, 2006 2:09 PM PDT
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Whoever he is
by iglew on
Oct 18, 2006 2:46 PM PDT
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Diego Chavez...
by Mossback on
Oct 18, 2006 3:44 PM PDT
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Banned Substances List is moot in this situation
It is the same way in the NCAA.
by jb on
Oct 18, 2006 2:06 PM PDT
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Come on monkey
When someone accuses a Major League player of using a PED it is pretty commonly understood to be an accusation of being a doper. The doc is right on in calling saint to the carpet.
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