The Internal Candidates
I've stated many times that I think that a manager is as good as the players provided for him. Oh sure he can royally screw up a good thing, but my feelings on baseball managers is that they get too much credit only when a team wins it all (see Guillen, Ozzie) and get too much blame for when a team falls short.
I've seen this all across baseball with people in New York blaming Joe Torre for the Yankees demise. People in Anaheim often complain about Scioscia. Jim Leyland was not the legend he was in Pittsburgh in Colorado because he didn't have the players.
Ultimately, a manager's job is to not get in the way of success and to set up the players for success. Macha did a good job of not screwing up a good thing this year. Well, he did contribute a bit to the A's demise in the ALCS, but how much of a difference it made in the big picture is arguable. I think Detroit was clearly the better team.
As for our now open position, I'd pretty much be happy with any of the four internal candidates. DeFrancesco, Geren, Washington and Lachemann. Although all of them have their drawbacks.
DeFrancesco, Washington and Geren have never been been a manager at the major league level. Although both Geren and DeFrancesco have been successful managers at Triple-A in the A's minor league system. Lachemann was a major league manager, just not a successful one.
With Geren you've got the concern being whether or not Beane and Geren can work together successfully in spite of the fact that they're best friends. Beane, as many have seen by reputation, can be a hardass. That doesn't always fly in friendships.
Washington is the sentimental favorite, but his belief in being more aggressive could wind up butting heads with the A's front office. Of course Washington knows this already. So if he was taking the job, I imagine the understanding will be that the style of play is dictated by the front office, not the manager.
DeFrancesco is a younger guy who works well with younger players. He's the perfect minor league manager for the time being, so the chances of the front office wanting him to stay in that role to groom future A's major leaguers are high.
I think the only thing standing between Geren and the manager's office are whether or not Beane and he decide that can work together and that the fact that they are best friends won't impact their working relationship. If anyone should understand Beane and his approach to the franchise, it would be Bob Geren.
Of course, that's only of the internal candidates. That doesn't take into account the fact that Beane might look elsewhere. The caveat being that people need to understand how this organization works. And that fact leads me to believe that the chances of the next manager coming from the four candidates above is very high.
Any way, I wound up wondering today, what manager will AN be happy with? Most of you seem to be calling for Ron Washington, so my question is will that be the only manager you'll be happy with - especially out of the internal candidates?
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from the diary "why Wash"
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061016&content_id=1715021& ; ;vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak
Question: based on what you know of the candidates so far mentioned, who do you think might be most likely to do this well?
I vote Wash.
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 7:02 PM PDT 0 recs
let me redo that link
by OaklandSi on
Oct 16, 2006 7:03 PM PDT
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Geren was incredible
Wash is great at teaching infield defense and he seems like a great mentor as well.
by Blez on
Oct 16, 2006 7:05 PM PDT
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Interesting side note
by grover on
Oct 16, 2006 7:16 PM PDT
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it could mean
by rebus on
Oct 16, 2006 7:22 PM PDT
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especially given Beane's emphasis
by OaklandSi on
Oct 16, 2006 7:24 PM PDT
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Regarding Geren
It seemed to me that this was either Macha saying, "You think this is so easy, you do it," or a premature admittance that Geren would be the next guy.
Washington is a great part of Oakland's organization, and unless I were part of the interview process that got to speak to everyone, I can't speculate on whether he would make a great transition from 3rd base coach to manager - the roles are quite different.
If it's somebody that AN just happens to like a lot - then you might as well put Dave Stewart or Dennis Eckersley out there. What's Walt Weiss doing these days?
by louismg on Oct 16, 2006 7:06 PM PDT 0 recs
not just liking Wash
among the reasons
He's a baseball man with a keen understanding of all aspects of the game and a knack for explaining it.
He inspires much respect and even love from the players.
He has done an excellent job as third base and infield coach, both very important jobs.
He has a strong desire to manage, and will take a job managing elsewhere if offered. It's pretty widely acknowledge that losing him would be a bad thing for the A's.
It's true that he doesn't have much managerial experience, none in the majors. But having that experience doesn't guarantee that a person will be a good manager, as we have seen all too often.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 16, 2006 7:16 PM PDT
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Amen
by anomaly_kat on
Oct 16, 2006 11:05 PM PDT
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Walter...
He is working with the Rockies as an instructor during spring training. He's also a big time weight lifter, I saw him in spring training this year and I couldn't believe it was the same skinny guy I remember with the A's. I'm not joking when I say his arms are like McGwire's or Canseco. Not to cast any doubts about how he got there, I'm just sayin' he's a big guy these days.
by Rickey35 on
Oct 17, 2006 10:49 AM PDT
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It sounds
The A's will live or die next year based on the development of swisher, Crosby, Harden, Blanton, Street and possibly DJ.
by DKNJ on Oct 16, 2006 7:10 PM PDT 0 recs
I'd vote for Wash
Wash yearns for that type of gameplan.
by grover on Oct 16, 2006 7:12 PM PDT 0 recs
EXACTLY CORRECT !!!!!
by hexy on
Oct 17, 2006 8:18 AM PDT
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A couple issues...
Fire BBG Now!
by louismg on
Oct 16, 2006 7:18 PM PDT
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BBG?
by rebus on
Oct 16, 2006 7:26 PM PDT
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HIRE CINDI NOW!!!
by Nico on
Oct 16, 2006 7:32 PM PDT
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I'd go for Cindi in a heartbeat
by emperor nobody on
Oct 16, 2006 7:36 PM PDT
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And dotting the "i" in Athletics...
by anomaly_kat on
Oct 16, 2006 11:06 PM PDT
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These are the names swirling around right now
Ron Washington
Rene Lacheman
Buck Showalter (horrible)
Bobby Valentine
by tankormike on Oct 16, 2006 7:17 PM PDT 0 recs
Showalter?
by grover on
Oct 16, 2006 7:19 PM PDT
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like I said before, Girardi and Showalter
by emperor nobody on
Oct 16, 2006 7:29 PM PDT
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I love Bobby V
He is a brilliant in game tactician.
by DKNJ on
Oct 16, 2006 7:21 PM PDT
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Valentine is an interesting possibility
by socal on
Oct 16, 2006 7:40 PM PDT
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He is dying to get
by DKNJ on
Oct 16, 2006 7:44 PM PDT
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I like Bobby V too.
I'm not sure he's "dying to get back in the game". He seems pretty happy in Japan.
by rfloh on
Oct 16, 2006 10:58 PM PDT
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East coast? Came up in the Dodger system, no?
by WaddellCanseco on
Oct 17, 2006 3:50 AM PDT
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Conneticut
by DKNJ on
Oct 17, 2006 6:28 AM PDT
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Bobby V is not a bad manager...
by GreenNGoldSooner on
Oct 17, 2006 6:25 AM PDT
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Bobby V...
by Rickey35 on
Oct 17, 2006 10:51 AM PDT
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I know too little...
As for managerial question marks in Wash's court, I doubt it would be too difficult for him to quickly adjust. He knows what he'd do in certain situations (and, more importantly, what the A's do) and he'd have a guy like Geren as his bench coach. No biggie in that department, imo.
I'd really love to see Wash get a chance because I feel like I know a little bit about his character. He's so candid and works so well with Chavvy that he just seems like a stand up dude who deserves a great gig like this.
by rebus on Oct 16, 2006 7:19 PM PDT 0 recs
of the four internal candidates
by OaklandSi on
Oct 16, 2006 7:20 PM PDT
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I agree...
by Rickey35 on
Oct 17, 2006 10:52 AM PDT
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To his defense he has always had bad teams
by SD Erik on
Oct 17, 2006 2:19 PM PDT
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I would think Geren
by china bob on Oct 16, 2006 7:21 PM PDT 0 recs
Blez, I agree with you
I think the best canidates are Wash and DeFran, but I think Lachemann would do well, too.
by Flyin As on Oct 16, 2006 7:21 PM PDT 0 recs
Jeff Kent
by louismg on
Oct 16, 2006 7:28 PM PDT
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That might throw a monkey-wrench in the whole
by kvn on
Oct 16, 2006 7:33 PM PDT
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He'd be the first to manage two teams
by JediLeroy on
Oct 17, 2006 6:43 AM PDT
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My hope is that if all the candidates
Don't humiliate Washington or Geren with a sit-down session of, "So, what makes you the best candidate for this job?"
Just pick the one you had in mind when you pulled the trigger on Macha, and make an offer.
by Nico on Oct 16, 2006 7:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Can't do that
But if Beane has his mind made up on Geren, I hope he doesn't put Washington through much of a farce.
by bear88 on
Oct 16, 2006 8:29 PM PDT
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I did think about that--
So if Beane has known for a while that Geren is his (best) man, he will still interview Wash as the convenient quota-satisfier--with no intention of hiring him. Good minority candidates like Wash deserve better than that.
by Nico on
Oct 16, 2006 8:34 PM PDT
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I like these three
by tankormike on Oct 16, 2006 7:35 PM PDT 0 recs
Valentine loves
by DKNJ on
Oct 16, 2006 7:38 PM PDT
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That's just my worry about Valentine
by GreenNGoldSooner on
Oct 17, 2006 6:28 AM PDT
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I was gonna get season tix
Bobby V and I'm in for at least a 40-game package, however.
by emperor nobody on
Oct 16, 2006 7:39 PM PDT
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If the A's didn't think Macha
Ugh--what a horrible choice that would be, IMO.
by Nico on
Oct 16, 2006 7:45 PM PDT
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seriously
He is all rules and no results, the most contemptuous breed of leader IMO.
by emperor nobody on
Oct 16, 2006 7:49 PM PDT
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I'm unclear
by Leopold Bloom on
Oct 16, 2006 8:08 PM PDT
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Showalter
by emperor nobody on
Oct 16, 2006 8:15 PM PDT
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That Showalter continues to get...
Any objective observer can see what's wrong with the guy. But he got a reputation early on for being a great manager (largely 'cause he had the Yankee publicity machine behind him...and George was in a good mood), and it's just stuck. And nothing will undo that rep. It's like Don Zimmer (the ultimate "baseball guy"), who kept getting hired despite clearly being a rotten manager.
by GreenNGoldSooner on
Oct 17, 2006 6:31 AM PDT
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If you liked Macha's approach to media and players
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Oct 16, 2006 8:08 PM PDT
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Exactly
by GreenNGoldSooner on
Oct 17, 2006 6:31 AM PDT
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Wash, No Geren
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 7:37 PM PDT 0 recs
I would enjoy the publicity...
by IM4Oakgal on Oct 16, 2006 7:37 PM PDT 0 recs
the players would dig him, I think
by emperor nobody on
Oct 16, 2006 7:41 PM PDT
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Time for something different?
But I wonder if it's time for Beane to tweak his strategy and bring in someone from the outside. For that, I like the mad genius: Bobby Valentine.
What the A's lack is the ability to change their style of play as circumstances dictate. The post season is a prime example of where aggressive play is often rewarded.
Beane/Valentine could be a disaster. Or it could be absolutely brilliant. Either way, it would be interesting.
by Dann on Oct 16, 2006 7:40 PM PDT 0 recs
I like Wash
Wash might not be the best fit here, anyway, he's not exactly the kind of guy who will reflexively say "How high?" every time Beane says "Jump." If Geren gets the A's job, then we will know that quality was the key to the decision.
by socal on Oct 16, 2006 7:44 PM PDT 0 recs
I am torn between
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Frankly, that's one of the reasons
The very fact that Beane was SEEKING a manager who wasn't just a "yes man" would be, IMO, a big step forward for the A's organization.
Plus I suspect Wash would do a great job, as he is already liked and respected by these players, is a proven "great teacher," and is highly intelligent. And the "life" and "energy" he brings to the diamond is infectious, just as a lack of life can be...
by Nico on
Oct 16, 2006 7:48 PM PDT
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A caveat:
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Oct 16, 2006 7:54 PM PDT
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however, I've wondered
by OaklandSi on
Oct 16, 2006 7:56 PM PDT
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something not as yet mentioned
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 7:44 PM PDT 0 recs
Very good point
by DKNJ on
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I wouldn't assume anything
By the way, the Giants popular head trainer (forgot his name, he was there 15 years) has just said he's looking for a job with a different club.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 16, 2006 7:50 PM PDT
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Get the Giants
This Macha firing got the off season rolling quickly. It is sad for Macha, but very exciting.
I trust beane here. Macha won 98, 92, 88 and 97 games with the A's. Not shabby.
by DKNJ on
Oct 16, 2006 7:58 PM PDT
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Stan Conte would be an amazing hire.
"No. It's Oakland."
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by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 7:48 PM PDT 0 recs
Can't believe their guy
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