FIRED MACHA NOW!!!
I was going to write a retrospective today on the season and start handing out final grades to individual A's for their performances in 2006, but as always with our Oakland Athletics, the offseason is NEVER a dead time. As a matter of fact, AN has often seen growth in the offseason thanks to the hyper kinetic A's offseasons.
It appears like the A's will be firing Ken Macha today, who goes into the Oakland Athletics record books as the manager with the second highest winning percentage behind Dick Williams.
Macha did a fine job this year. He did cost the A's a game here and there, in my opinion, and he also didn't make enough use of the A's amazing bullpen in the playoffs. But for the most part, I don't think Macha is to blame for the A's coming up short. The offense and the A's starting pitching is largely to blame for that one. Well, that and the injury bug just never seemed to fully leave the A's.
Macha shouldn't have much of a problem finding a new job with all the managerial openings out there. He's a proven winner, although in many ways his winning was largely a result of the talent the A's front office gave him.
As for what direction the A's turn to, I would imagine the immediate candidates would be Tony DeFrancesco (the River Cats manager), Rene Lachemann (the A's first base coach), Ron Washington (the A's third base coach) and Bob Geren (the A's bench coach). Expect Geren and Lachemann to be the front runners.
If the A's look outside the organization (which seems unlikely to me), perhaps they go after someone like Bud Black or an under-the-radar guy like Orel Hershiser. I don't see them sweeping in and grabbing someone like Piniella or Dusty Baker as that's just not the A's. Remember that Beane likes the front office to have a lot of say in decisions made on the field and Baker and Lou aren't the type of look to the front office for input. Love it or not, that's the way Beane has felt about managers.
I don't think this is a bad thing. My problems with Macha has always been a couple of things...first, I do want my manager to show some emotion on occasion. I don't want a raving lunatic like Lou or Whiny Mike Scioscia, but I do want a manager who will call bulls%&t to an umpire on occasion. Macha took whatever bad breaks the umps gave him. Maybe that even keel worked in the clubhouse, but I don't think the players would've minded a guy who went out and fought the good fight on occasion.
Macha also didn't manage to win in the postseason. Bobby Kielty should've been in against lefties and if Kotsay didn't like it, that was tough. I know Kots made two great plays in the outfield to save runs, but he also didn't do anything against lefties offensively. And believe me, you won't find a bigger Kotsay fan anywhere than right here. He also should've really yanked Loaiza earlier than he did. You've got an amazing bullpen that was lights out for the majority of the series and you didn't use it as much as you should've. There's a reason that Beane built the team from the back to the front. And Macha needed to realize that. Granted Duchscherer wasn't available which left a gaping hole, but in the postseason you absolutely have to be more aggressive about pitching changes. I don't blame Macha for leaving guys out there a little too long in a 162-game season, but not in a seven-game series.
And ultimately, I guess what undid Macha is the fact that he had a poor level of communication with his players. That's pretty unacceptable for a manager. You need to know your players and what is going on with them. Even the ones who seem insignificant like Melhuse. That's YOUR JOB.
So, it appears like less than two days after the A's were eliminated from the playoffs, Ken Macha will be taking the fall. It's already shaping up to be a fascinating offseason in Athletics Nation. As usual.
[UPDATE: Macha has officially been fired. We move into a next phase of the Beane era now.]
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WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great wrapup by the way.
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blez,
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 16, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
link?
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't up there yet
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 16, 2006 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sorry we couldn't do better by you
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It just doesn't have the same feeling this year
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Coaches
by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 16, 2006
A's Manager Ken Macha Relieved of His Duties
OAKLAND, Calif. - Oakland Athletics Vice President and General Manager Billy Beane announced today Ken Macha has been relieved of his duties as manager of the club.
Macha compiled a 368-280 record in four seasons as manager of the A's. He joined the Oakland organization in 1999 as bench coach and was named the 27th manager in franchise history on October 29, 2002.
# # # # #
It's very real this time. I fully expect one of the guys on the inside to be the replacement. Remember that Bob Geren is one of Billy Beane's best friends.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 16, 2006 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked Macha but always knew he wasn't the right
He will have no problem finding work.
by Vegas A's Fan on Oct 16, 2006 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New
by doublehustle22 on Oct 16, 2006 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it would make sense
by flipgatey3 on Oct 16, 2006 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we should go for Phil Jackson
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Macha
I say, hire Rickey.
by mvk on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
you, melhuse, get rickey some coffee!
everybody, repeat after rickey: rickey is the greatest of all time."
by Backspin on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, at least Rickey would speak to Melhuse
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that
Rickey said you made him laugh.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 16, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the Seinfeld episode
by wolffpackdavid on Oct 16, 2006 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
by RickeySteals on Oct 16, 2006 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true, it's pretty sad
Washington should be the front runner. I'm hoping race isn't factor here.
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?!
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not possible
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Moneyball is totally racist.
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope you are kidding
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be kidding...
by doubleplayer on Oct 16, 2006 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying the others shouldn't be considered
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has no managerial
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was waiting for someone to say that
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and just to be clear
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between Geren and Wash...
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how come Washington didn't get that job?
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too valuable?
I don't disagree that Wash should get the job. I just see Geren as having more managerial experience than Wash.
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should it have to be Texas
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has managed in winter league
then again, having alot of managerial experience doesn't make one a good manager...there are plenty of examples.
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Race isn't a factor
Geren trumps Wash.
by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Geren for a couple years here in Sac
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what has Wash shown?
Geren has had full control of the bullpen before and has had to make actual decisions.
All Wash has had to do is wave someone around.
by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how people make managing a baseball team
Anyone around the game as long as Wash will do just fine at the nuts and bolts stuff. It all comes down to dealing with and motivating players.
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and how do you exactly know
by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen that race isn't a factor.
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say Kotsay was the judas
Kotsay along with Payton were cited by Slusser as the key people disatisifed with Macha's communications. But in reality it wasn't about style - it was about playing time.
And yes, Kielty should have batted agains lefties in the post-season.
Just conjecture, but it seems like Kotsay got his cake (playing time in the post-season) AND got to eat it too (Macha fired).
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta be more
That combined with Macha's questionable use of Street and Ginterizing of, well, Ginter, and Perez might be enough to push things over the edge.
Otherwise, I don't see what we've learned this year about Macha that Billy didn't know when lowballing him last year in negotiations.
by Apricot on Oct 16, 2006 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some good points,
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginterizing?
by froggiethegremlin on Oct 16, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gossip gossip gossip...
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE MACHA NOW!!!
by SD Erik on Oct 16, 2006 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe not *here*...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Bad Times
by Dan_Honolulu on Oct 16, 2006 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, a year ago Beane gave him a bris
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best to weat a helmet
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
by solotar on Oct 16, 2006 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's official official now
by Alameda Greg on Oct 16, 2006 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Official statement.
by Christine on Oct 16, 2006 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just heard the news
I think Ron Washington or Bob Geren would be a good replacement candidates. I'm not too impressed with guys from outside of the organization, although getting Dusty Baker or even Felipe Alou just to screw the Giants would be kind of funny to me.
by knowledge24 on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Felipe Alou?!?!?!
by MikeyJ on Oct 16, 2006 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great move.
Also, the link.
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Macha's Firing ( Again)
While I think Macha is smart and analytical, it would seem he has trouble relating to players and is not a good communicator with the press or fans. I think he keeps the team stable when losing but provides little inspiration.
I don't think the A's will ever have a great manager with Beane as GM since he clearly doesn't want a manager to challenge his authority. I think Beane respects the opinion of his brain trusts but not the manager. Could you imagine Detroit getting ten people in a room and voting on the rotation for the playoffs? A great manager like Leyland wouldn't allow that to happen.
While I love Wash in his current position, I wonder whether he is just too nice a guy to be a manager that can't please everyone. Also, his time to teach would be diminished and that is what he excels at and loves.
If we lose Macha, I don't think the replacement will be much better or worse given the type of manager Beane desires. We will just be out $2 million dollars and look stupid for not making the change last year.
by scarr1 on Oct 16, 2006 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Wash has the stones
I really think he could be the right man for the job. However, I'm not convinced that Beane won't hire Geren instead.
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I worry about.
by WannaBeGM on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington
I know that Texas isn't going to hire him, even though he would be a great fit down there.
Macha did a good job I thought considering the amount of injuries the A's had.
The injury to Mark Ellis and letting go of Mike Rouse were the big things that hurt the A's this playoff run, not Ken Macha's lineups.
by apilgrim on Oct 16, 2006 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by Rickey35 on Oct 16, 2006 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wash is by far the only correct move
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Think about...
by NewPosterMojo on Oct 16, 2006 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great News
He didn't manage the starting pitching and/or bullpen correctly...He left Zito, Loaiza and Harden in too long, but then yanks Haren out because its "do or die time". Is he saying that games 1-3 aren't do or die? So he might as well leave them in there?
I'm very happy about this. I know it won't happen, but I would be extremely pleased if they gave Girardi a look, although he is a hot head, and wants to manage the way he wants without someone from the front office telling him how to do it, but I believe with him working with this young club, with the exception of some of the vets obviously, Girardi could do wonders.
by mills16 on Oct 16, 2006 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not just that he leaves pitchers in too long
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
Let's hope they go out and get someone good...
by mills16 on Oct 17, 2006 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we steal leyland from away from the tigers?
by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I updated the headline
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 16, 2006 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this whole diary is
by popcornjames on Oct 16, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker...where are you?
by Quinan on Oct 16, 2006 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO Dusty Baker
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker
by Quinan on Oct 16, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a joke, right?
by RickeySteals on Oct 16, 2006 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker is a joke
by BubbaDude on Oct 16, 2006 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can get Dusty and Barry!
I wonder if Jeff Kent is available....
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 16, 2006 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lord, No
by Dan_Honolulu on Oct 16, 2006 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manager Merry go round
by billyball1981 on Oct 16, 2006 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<snicker>
Continue on with the meaningful discussion.
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by HugeAthleticSupporter on Oct 16, 2006 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what would sound funnier?
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
michael urban
by batgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macha's an enabler.
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Gammons
He also said that if they do look outside the organization, Buck Showalter will be a frontrunner because Beane feels like Showalter manages the in-game stuff better than anyone.
That's really surprising to me. But Gammons is usually tied in with Beane's feelings.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 16, 2006 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Buck. Showalter.
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DUDE.
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need for three initials.
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA! HA! HIRE MACHA NOW!
bitches.
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hugely surprising about Bucky
Bucky did outmanage Macha on Tuesday 9/5 with the bases loaded. In one of the dumber moves of the year, Macha pitch hit Kielty and Bucky responded with a righty. With Kotsay on the bench, a LH Kielty flew out on the 1st pitch. Totally demoralizing.
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year we heard that
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Showalter!
by LongTimeFan on Oct 16, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the A's go with Showalter
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gammons and showalter
if he was just standing up for a buddy.
by oak1 on Oct 16, 2006 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Gammons the same guy
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a contrast...
I go out on an errand and listen to ESPN Radio, where Steve Phillips says it's because Macha didn't get along with the players, and said players shouldn't be deciding if a manager stays or goes.
Obviously, I'm taking Gammons' word, since he actually has Beane's ear. Macha apparently didn't get along with somebody, and it's probably the guy with the power to actually do the firing.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it possible he didn't get along with either?
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just HAS to be Beane messing with us.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, thank you Billy,
by ArakSOT on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OH GOD...
by WannaBeGM on Oct 16, 2006 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
reallly
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
by eamb on Oct 16, 2006 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote Washington
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 16, 2006 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my gosh...
PLEASE let it be someone in our organization!
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to be the first to say
Anyone. But. Showalter. Calling Macha back and saying "Just kidding, Ken!" would be better than Showalter.
by socal on Oct 16, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That "F" wasn't for fire.
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Showalter doesn't make sense...
The only thing that does make sense with Bucky? The next manager so far after him takes his team to the World Series and wins it. Can we just hire him for 20 minutes, fire him and then buy '07 World Series tickets now?
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want passion?
by TurnTwo on Oct 16, 2006 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DAD!!
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey brother!
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caballero!
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chingaso!
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 16, 2006 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bhai!!
by oblique on Oct 16, 2006 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 16, 2006 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now *you're* talking
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Milton becomes player/coach...
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mays, Mickey . . . Milton
by froggiethegremlin on Oct 16, 2006 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see
I would.
Hey, Maybe Milton for player/coach isn't such a bad idea!!!
by Swisherfor05ROY on Oct 16, 2006 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dusty baker
by AsFanTexas on Oct 16, 2006 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh
NO BUCK BALL
by AsFanTexas on Oct 16, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Passivity in A's Management
Ironically, our very active General Manager has too often set a passive tone for the team, based on who gets "rehired," and who gets the juicy contract.
Uncomfortable with Miggy's active nature, Beane let him go elsewhere. Fortunately, Wolff saw value in the active nature of Bradley. Otherwise the last four games would have been truly disastrous wipe-outs, if the A's had even gotten into the playoffs.
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Urban says Geren the front-runner
by WannaBeGM on Oct 16, 2006 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Wash is most valuable to the A's in his current position.
The hat that just flew into the ring belongs to Carney Lansford.
by southofcruiseamerica on Oct 16, 2006 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the cut of your jib, sailor.
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, thanks...I guess.
by southofcruiseamerica on Oct 16, 2006 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha, yes, mine too. It's just an expression.
by McFood on Oct 17, 2006 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MACHA
And for a guy whose strength was supposed to be "leaving the players alone and not managing too much", it is obvious his players didn't think much of him. If he couldn't keep the players happy, there was no reason to keep him around.
The problem with hiring any A's manager comes down to will they be allowed to think for themselves or will they have to just be Beane's mouthpiece and can they straddle the line between the two.
A strong backboned manager like Pineilla and Girardi would never fly with the A's. I'm guessing it will be Geren, although, I thought it would be last time too and Beane ended up re-hiring Macha instead. So, maybe that isn't such a slam dunk.
by joses bathroom buddy on Oct 16, 2006 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bud Black is an interesting idea...
by The Dogfather on Oct 16, 2006 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes on all accounts:
Mazzone
Peterson
Black
by saint on Oct 16, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man.
Yes, I am delusional.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 16, 2006 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Been back and forth to AN all day!
by LongTimeFan on Oct 16, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta think out of the box on this one.
Joe Morgan.
by Ice Cream on Oct 16, 2006 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan
The Billy Beane Moneyball disciple. How obvious.
by joses bathroom buddy on Oct 16, 2006 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
by andeux on Oct 16, 2006 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG--TKK!
by The Dogfather on Oct 16, 2006 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Ron Washington to be the next manager...
That said, I bet it will be Bob Geren.
Macha must have been on AN, which would explain his frustration toward injured players.
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shocked
- Joe Girardi
- Ron Washington
- Some other manager who has the fire to bring the best outta players during the playoffs...(and of course regular season to get there)
by tomoyo on Oct 16, 2006 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we had won the World Series...
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy Theory Time.
Oakland wins the AL West in 2007, storms to the World Series, and lose to the Dodgers when Frank's pinch-hit series-winning three-run homer just barely curves foul. Plaschke take this as confirmation that Moneyball doesn't work in the playoffs and DePodesta is relieved of his duties for incorrectly predicting the trajectory of Hurt's would-be homer.
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not just clone Leyland?
by The Dogfather on Oct 16, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think we have a chance to
by LAXile on Oct 16, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linux cluster?
by eamb on Oct 16, 2006 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Cheney Now!


by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 16, 2006 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rofl
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hilarious
by HugeAthleticSupporter on Oct 16, 2006 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that picture, is Macha saying
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we hire Cheney
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, no. Cheney would just shoot them
by LAXile on Oct 16, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No cut-n-run plays, either.
by The Dogfather on Oct 16, 2006 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheney would form a "Team B" of coaches
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in Anaheim the A's
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 16, 2006 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any Weapons of Mass Defense (WMD) Argument...
by Dan_Honolulu on Oct 16, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think its geren
make things happen as opposed to macha who
sits back and lets things happen.
by oak1 on Oct 16, 2006 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we get re-sign Zito as a player/manager?
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 not so deep thoughts...
proposed all player-coaching staff:
barry zito: player-manager
kendall: pitching coach
frank thomas: batting coach
nick swisher: 1st base coach
chavey: 3rd base coach
melhouse: bullpen coach
milton bradley: bench coach
by danh on Oct 16, 2006 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rofl rofl rofl
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully it's lacheman or washington
by guy incognito on Oct 16, 2006 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Girardi
by swisherroks33 on Oct 16, 2006 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no way in hell girardi
by AsFanTexas on Oct 16, 2006 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will puke
by Bearcat on Oct 16, 2006 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call him over-rated...
If anything, he should be called by Washington (D.C. that is, not Ron), because that clubhouse would benefit from him.
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Girardi a clown?
by BMWK100 on Oct 16, 2006 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always liked Macha
Whatever. I wish him luck, and I look forward to rooting for him in the future.
If Wash doesn't get a shot at managing, especially for a club like this one whose GM clearly doesn't think all that much of the role of manager, there is something wrong in the Bay. Wash has earned it, and I hope he gets it in Oakland.
by Joey C. on Oct 16, 2006 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope you're a fan of the Toledo Mud Hens
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 16, 2006 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason that statement has legs...
My gut tells me Macha will see another managerial job. And Wolff hopes it's next year so he gets out of paying him the $2M still owed.
Truthfully, after every job you learn something new. Macha will be better in the future for being let go. Bottom line is he had a winning record for four years straight. I see him going to a rebuilding effort rather than a situation like he did four years ago.
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Review Blez
BuBye Ken Macha, YOU SUCK!!!
by ChucklesSD on Oct 16, 2006 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Girardi????
by 1991batboy on Oct 16, 2006 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Girardi, please.
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do I feel both sadness and great joy?
It seems like Macha suffered by being put up on display against Leyland, who, let's face it, is a better manager.
by LAXile on Oct 16, 2006 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay vs Kielty
by Donner on Oct 16, 2006 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be Ron Washington
Loyal org soldier (been here since '97), very good third base coach, which shows an ability to think quickly, infield coach, probably sets the defense.
And let's acknowledge the giant elephant in the room and say that a black manager in Oakland is a good promotional tool.
by FlynnSox on Oct 16, 2006 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well then the A's owners
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not leaving the area
by FlynnSox on Oct 16, 2006 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash probly doesn't want it
by BerkeleyDawg on Oct 16, 2006 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he wasn't
by iglew on Oct 16, 2006 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are now officially a large market club
by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how you would handle the away games,
It would give 24-27 fans a chance each year. . .
It would be cost effective (no cost to A's, other than 24-27 uniforms) . . .
but, what to do about those away games? Humm. . .
by millbraeforAsfan on Oct 16, 2006 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to bet
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't work
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulds trded him to Florida,
by The Dogfather on Oct 16, 2006 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who will chew all the bubble gum now that
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
look at the umps face
by AsFanTexas on Oct 16, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was against the Angels....
by AsGirl on Oct 16, 2006 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah. That was worth the salary right there.
by LAXile on Oct 16, 2006 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, #1 HAS to be Dairy Queen.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2: karate-kicking Blanton out of the john
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"An anonymous A's pitcher
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad. word is, he even had to pick
by LAXile on Oct 16, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foss said at the time
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That ump was Ron KKKulpa
by BubbaDude on Oct 16, 2006 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington
I think then he should bring Rickey in as a coach of some sort.
by okathlfn on Oct 16, 2006 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rickey says "Rickey will manage...
by calvin on Oct 16, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Living in the Past?
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did I forget about this??
Just glad he didn't do that here!!!
by Swisherfor05ROY on Oct 16, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why he's a fan favorite...
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aww
"Ken Macha leaves the Oakland Coliseum after being fired as A's manager."
i can't help but feel a little sad for him!
by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It gets worse for Ken
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 16, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drives a Hummer?
by franks a lot on Oct 16, 2006 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macha's gum for manager...
by calvin on Oct 16, 2006 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Geren
> It's very real this time. I fully expect one of the guys on the inside to be the replacement.
> Remember that Bob Geren is one of Billy Beane's best friends.
This right here is why Geren should absolutely NOT be hired as the A's next manager. Anyone ever tried being the boss of your best friend?
by skwid on Oct 16, 2006 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with that.
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington in 07!
Anyone who has been called "the yoda of baseball" can be the skipper of my team.
Go A's!
by GreggC on Oct 16, 2006 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Art Howe just named manager to replace Macha.
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be
How much of Macha's release has to do with re-signing Frank Thomas?
by twinkle toes on Oct 16, 2006 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington
by bolt on Oct 16, 2006 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 16, 2006 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's face it, Girardi's not an option
HIRE WASH NOW!!!!
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They can't HIRE WASH NOW
by eamb on Oct 16, 2006 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we get someone
by millbraeforAsfan on Oct 16, 2006 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget all the "uh's"
by WannaBeGM on Oct 16, 2006 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Plus Macha was a jackass whenever I tried talking to him.
Don't let the door hit ya buddy!
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 16, 2006 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I suppose this means
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Proof Of Macha's Incompetence...
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey , maybe Macha's fired
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
$2 million for nothin'...
by The Dogfather on Oct 16, 2006 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicks are free for Macha
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 16, 2006 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looka them yo-yos
by oblique on Oct 16, 2006 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors
by ABY on Oct 16, 2006 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just found out...
by runtru1 on Oct 16, 2006 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Crosby was REALLY healthy the whole year?
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic - Uribe shot Antonio Perez
Dondolin Alessandro, a captain in the Italian Navy, suffered wounds to his stomach and hands. Antonio Gonzalez Perez, a farmer who tried to intervene, suffered a left-elbow injury but was treated and released."
Sorry, wrong Perez but I thought it would help his hitting...
by dmac13 on Oct 16, 2006 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
his paternal last name
by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington
by Alejandro on Oct 16, 2006 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too, but maybe we need some new blood
by El Payo on Oct 16, 2006 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think our managerial problems
On anothe note, I am discouraged to see the race card being thrown down. Racism does not always flow from the traditionally expected sources. Beane is a proud man, and anyone who feels that they can coerce him into hiring a black manager because it would be the "politically correct" move are doing Wash no favors. It could end up hurting Wash's chances, and I want to see the man get a fair shot at the job, based on his merits alone. He deserves that.
by alox on Oct 16, 2006 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the last paragraph
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you mean,
by alox on Oct 16, 2006 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off the term "Race Card",
by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And , who wants another hum-drum
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps because Wash
Your views on race are your own, they're certainly not mine. There are more people of good will of all colors in this country than otherwise. I am mildy curious as to what the term "race card" is suppose to be code for, but that sort of discussion probably isn't suited to this site. My view is that it detracts from Wash's chance at the job to emphasize anything other than longevity, organizational loyalty, and ability. Wash is deep in all three, so I am of the opinion that those traits are what should be emphasized.
by alox on Oct 16, 2006 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a great point about the race card.
I honestly don't think that race will have an affect on the choice the A's make. But odds are that if it did, we'd never know about it.
I do think that if the longest-tenured member of the A's coaching staff is denied a job that everyone always says he ought to have, you have to start wondering why.
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane
I personally think that Giradi is going to be an excellant manager, and would be my choice. But I doubt he will get consideration in Oakland.
by ogallalabob on Oct 16, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
If the following, by Blez, et. al., is true ("And ultimately, I guess what undid Macha is the fact that he had a poor level of communication with his players."), did his poor communication suddenly appear this year ("Gosh, teammates, why is Ken not communicating with us this season?)? If so, why? If not, why was he re-hired??
I would agree that Wash deserves a chance and would apparently be the players' choice. However, the qualities of a great coach and mentor (as Wash has been) do not always translate to being a great manager. Nor do the traits of a great manager necessarily fit those of his GM.
So the questions are: 1) What are the qualities necessary for a great manager?
- What are the qualities necessary for a manager to fit well with this GM?
- Do Wash, et. al. within the organization possess those qualities? Who else does? Billy Martin?
by kimnjerry on Oct 16, 2006 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy Martin's in heaven with Mother Theresa
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strategically
by Bearcat on Oct 16, 2006 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how about this quote?
http://torontosun.com/Sports/Baseball/2006/10/16/2040278-sun.html
"It's not a big deal," third baseman Eric Chavez said.
From the poor editing of the article, it's not clear exactly what Chavez was referring to, as the previous line deals with Zito's durability. I hope Chavvy was not referring to losing in the ALCS.
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
His 23 victories in 2002 earned him the A.L. Cy Young award. His teammates have been prepared for his almost inevitable departure since spring training.
"It's not a big deal," third baseman Eric Chavez said. "I've lost a lot of friends. It was fun while it lasted."
Here's the whole article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/16/sports/baseball/16oakland.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&a mp;adxnnlx=1161044547-10YZpPtv5JL/L6cxZH8hgw
by day-to-day on Oct 16, 2006 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh .. is it chavvy's fault now? Jeeezz
by gilaASfan on Oct 16, 2006 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends...
by Bearcat on Oct 16, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything is Chavy's fault.
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macha was fired b/c Chavvy's not Mexican enough
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just ask steve lyons
by Vegas A's Fan on Oct 16, 2006 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
by bigthree17 on Oct 16, 2006 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my momma used to say
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is getting really old
by batgirl on Oct 16, 2006 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
go tell Urban
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Macha, Chavez, and Me:
by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDonalds
By, uh, Bobby Kielty
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't forget ...
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"not Mexican enough"
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Macha = John Kreese
- Both are Black Belts in Martial Arts.
- Both put down their own players/students (Melhuse and Johnny Lawrence, respectively)
- Both got ousted by more powerful men (Billy Beane and Mr. Miyagi, respectively)
by nfadil4 on Oct 16, 2006 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please, anyone but Showalter
by knowledge24 on Oct 16, 2006 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i am pretty
by Backspin on Oct 16, 2006 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Green
by bolt on Oct 16, 2006 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they hire Art Shell, I'm done.
Firing Macha took longer than it usually takes for Macha to get someone working in the bullpen.
by El Payo on Oct 16, 2006 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My three picks in order:
- Larry Bowa on a 1 yr., + an option
- Washington, provided he starts the yr in The Sac so to actually learn how to manage at the big league level...maybe get called up in June.
- Steve Lyons...good for race relations and to keep everyone on their toes re: locking up personal belongings in the clubhouse.
- Geren...because he'ii be the next manager of the 2007 Oakland A's. Count on it.
by bigelephant on Oct 16, 2006 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so what does the MLB world tour team in Japan do?
by rsur5 on Oct 16, 2006 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious
by bigthree17 on Oct 16, 2006 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Wash
by Nick86 on Oct 16, 2006 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was discussed last year
One should hardly be surprised by this. Wash has been with this organization for a zillion years. He's fully aware of how things work here, and if he were to say yes to the job of manager he'd know what is expected of him.
by iglew on Oct 16, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington 2007!
by DaveHendersonRules on Oct 16, 2006 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just an 18 year old guessing here but...
by AlwaysRayne on Oct 16, 2006 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And remember...
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington has paid his dues
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
That said, I'm happy to see Macha go for many reasons and, like many here, I'd like to see Washington as the next manager. It will be telling to see how Beane handles picking someone new.
by snowflake on Oct 16, 2006 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheap, Hungry, HOFer...
by compy75 on Oct 16, 2006 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh man
Lach's career record is HORRIBLE.
I posted a list of who I want in the other thread, but i'll do something a little more in depth here.
- Washington: I like him, but I don't like his lack of experience in the big game. I feel like, in the end, the team would take a step BACK with him at the helm.
- Bruce Bochy: Smart, good manager and man, but I think Alderson wants him gone. Not good.
- "My name is Buck and I'm here to fuck" Showalter: No.
- Bud Black: Addition via subtraction. Could be good.
- Orel Hershiser: Same thing.
- Carney Lansford: Why not?
- Larry Bowa: Crazy, but will light a fire under asses.
- Johnny Oates, cancer survivor: Worked magic in Arlington a while ago.
- DAVEY JOHNSON: guy knows how to win, baby. I think this guy is our golden ticket.
But just my two cents.
by noava22 on Oct 16, 2006 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Oates passed away this year.
by bigthree17 on Oct 16, 2006 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, your point is..?
- Billy Martin, has Oakland roots, moxie
- Casey Stengal
- Vince Lombardi
by danh on Oct 16, 2006 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you are reanimating the dead
by Athletics Fan In London on Oct 16, 2006 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
by Athletics Fan In London on Oct 16, 2006 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Oates may be dead
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carney
by billyball1981 on Oct 16, 2006 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i concur
oates? a little crazy but ya i think he couldn't do any worse then kenny.
but i like your style, pickin' a dead dude to manage.
by bigelephant on Oct 16, 2006 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments on the players named...
- Orel Herschisher is no longer with the Rangers as the pitching coach. He's now doing color for ESPN.
- Davey Johnson's stock went down with the Dodgers managerial job. He pretty much just collected a paycheck. I would be surprised if he wants to manager again.
- Bud Black would be addition by subtraction, but if he comes up short as a manager it's only subtraction for us.
- Larry Bowa will not alienate our players the way Macha did. He will alienate them by finding different, more inventive ways.
Remember, Joe Torre had stops in Atlanta (one playoff appearence) and St. Louis (flamed out) before he took over the reigns of the Yanks. Do I think he's the best manager around? No, but he's the best manager for the situation that the Yanks were in.
Bottom line: Beane is looking for a manager that will 1) agree with his philosophies, and 2) communicate and not alienate the players.
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same about davey johnson
by noava22 on Oct 16, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash
by bkrawez on Oct 16, 2006 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about...
Or Jack McKeon.
But seriously, if Geren installed, you might as well bring back Jackie Moore, or Steve Boros. They are just as exciting.
by billyball1981 on Oct 16, 2006 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Steve Boros Years
by WannaBeGM on Oct 16, 2006 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
"They let you, Wash, drive on their track?" Kotsay, circa April 07.
by GreggC on Oct 16, 2006 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How many A's fans can afford a Hummer?
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The poll isn't clear
Like everyone else in the world, I want Wash but expect Geren.
by iglew on Oct 16, 2006 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Garen's another boring
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Geren is chosen
by FanSinceKC on Oct 16, 2006 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that Macha is not doing the ads
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blogs vs. Media
by ChucklesSD on Oct 16, 2006 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that is why i love AN
by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is Wash,
I think someone already said something about the philosophy being one of the organization as a whole and I think that's dead-on. I don't believe that the A's higher ups (Billy Beane) are against winning ball games at any cost. They would be against a manager coming in and trying to change the overall approach of the players, i.e. changing one player into a bunt-happy lead off hitter with a permanent green light and another into a free swinging power hitter looking yard all the time. Maximize the K/BB ratio on both sides of the ball, play sound defense and don't give away outs in high risk/low reward situations. As long as any manager stays within that framework, I think that they will work fine within the organization.
by dn9480 on Oct 16, 2006 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said...
Wash for manager is the right move.
by NewPosterMojo on Oct 16, 2006 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add...
And as a bonus, we'll actually have a manager with a pair.
by NewPosterMojo on Oct 16, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's never had a black manager!
by jaacee007 on Oct 16, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This Quote gives me hope:
I was hoping that Beane fired him more because of the fact the Macha was half retarded and the other half dumb ass than that he was firing him for not being a likable character.
I hope that Kiger was there so that Kielty could bat for Jimenez and that Kiger's glove would replace him.
I hoped that Beane having a deep system and roster would allow more players to rest.
I hoped for many things that I HOPE THIS QUOTE MEANS.
Beane gave him the pieces and told him why, then there was a disconnect. That disconnect was where Macha's left lobe meets his right lobe and all parts on both sides.
by saint on Oct 16, 2006 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm scared.
The next one might be worse.
by KendallGurl18 on Oct 16, 2006 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
players comments about the macha firing
and wash comment:
by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"It happens."
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't take much...
by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i was thinking.
by larrysgurl on Oct 16, 2006 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
I started thinking about all the specific instances I could remember when Macha made a "snide" little comment about a player... eek. Like I said in the DLD, I liked Macha most of the time, but if he was saying this stuff to the media, holy hell, what was he like in person?
<draws hearts around Lache's name>
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he hated Swish.
by poetwee on Oct 16, 2006 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree wholeheartedly
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 16, 2006 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi would be a good pick.
by IM4Oakgal on Oct 16, 2006 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IT'S BASEBALL CHRISTMAS!
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hi Kyli!!!!
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owners fault
by cadevil on Oct 16, 2006 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hiring someone with experience ...
Washington is the man.
by bolt on Oct 16, 2006 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's well known...
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Swish's comment is awesome.
HIRE WASH NOW!
by Boonee on Oct 16, 2006 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They should have hired Washington by now, seriousl
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WASHINGTON!!!!!
by jaacee007 on Oct 16, 2006 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
goldfish posted this in the DLD--
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't listen right now.
by Jennifer on Oct 16, 2006 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recap of Susan on KNBR
It was not based on performance. Apparently a reporter asked if Macha would have been fired if the A's had won the WS. Billy answered, "I guess we'll never know."
She said Macha had seemed unhappy at times this season, possibly going back the way he was let go and rehired last season. Maybe it wasn't a good fit, and it was best for everyone (including Macha) to part ways.
Often in the clubhouse within earshot of reporters prominent players were popping off about the manager.
One complaint was that Macha did not protect the players. One example is the last game 2004: Zito had told Macha he didn't have much left. It was a standard conversation between manager and pitcher. Z said he was gassed. After the game Macha said Z took himself out of the game, basically hanging him out to dry. Whereas most managers would say something like, "It was my decision, I'll take the heat."
Disgruntled players included 3-4 members of starting lineup, a starting pitcher; people were saying they didn't want to come back next year. She'll probably name players in tomorrow's article
As for manager prospects, the list from last year is probably still viable. Wash will get a look if not already snatched up by Rangers. Susan thinks he would be great.
Susan also thinks they will get 2 yr deal 17-18 mill done for Thomas.
by goldfish on Oct 16, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome recap, goldfish!
I thought it was interesting that she specifically noted that Chavez really liked Macha.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Also, I forgot to mention that Susan said that it probably wasn't issues between Billy and Macha since Macha knew about the situation he was returning to last year. Also she says Billy has mellowed a lot recently. :) And Macha had it easier this year than in past years in terms of working with Billy.
by goldfish on Oct 16, 2006 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Chavy doesn't need
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavvy
by BerkeleyDawg on Oct 16, 2006 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to Susan too
That's cool that Ralph and Ted asked her about Big Frank and Barry. I do NOT want Bonds on the A's, HR record or not. The BALCO shit would cause distractions and make people around the country (including our "buddies" at HH) hate the A's more...especially ESPN.
by wolffpackdavid on Oct 16, 2006 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radio reports Bobby V. to interview with Beane
by Ben25 on Oct 16, 2006 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just say no to Bobby V!
by larrysgurl on Oct 16, 2006 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember that grpahic about
by money baller on Oct 16, 2006 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So we arleady know next year is rebuilding...
by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that Macha's gone
by knowledge24 on Oct 16, 2006 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been thinking, and the choice is clear
This way Beane would have total control, dealing with someone who can't even talk yet (no "communication problems" without verbal communication), and Diego could just do his cute clapping thing on the bench for the whole season. Imagine how many HRs and great defensive plays Chop will make, knowing that when he returns to the dugout his son will be literally drooling with delight. Just give him the number 1/2 and do all the crazy handshakes down at the other end of the bench, or else you might scare him and he will start to cry, but other than that he's perfect. When he falls gently asleep late in the game, make that the "steal" sign and we are a-OK.
by emperor nobody on Oct 16, 2006 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can hear it now...
Ray Fosse: It's a diaper bag. Must be time to change the manager again.
Korach: Ah, yes. Well, this break in the action is brought to you by Pampers...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHANGE DIEGO NOW!!!
by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for the guy.
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean
by KrautBall on Oct 16, 2006 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Tom Hanks wasn't bad
How about a little thinking outside the box?
by millbraeforAsfan on Oct 16, 2006 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we're going that route--
Your 2007 A's manager... Kevin "Crash" Costner.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Bill James?
by McFood on Oct 16, 2006 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he is from Oakland
by Alien on Oct 16, 2006 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington
Suppose he gets offers from both Oakland and Texas to be manager. Which would he choose? It's not obvious to me that he wouldn't prefer to go to Texas.
by iglew on Oct 16, 2006 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Texas will certainly pay him better.
by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash might prefer Texas
by BubbaDude on Oct 16, 2006 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats right
by ak_A on Oct 16, 2006 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to be
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It happens!
One last note on Beane...If he was such a great GM why hasn't New York bought him? Don't give me the tired excuse that he does things in a different way than MLB. Once upon a time he was a great GM who did a lot with a little. Now I think his ego is the problem and he hasn't altered his approach. During the ALCS many fellow AN posts were about who to pitch in what game. It seems to me that many thought Beane decided who should pitch and in what order. Beane has spent money on players like Loaiza. A nice August run made that seem like a good move. Before and since that time I think many of us have wondered about the ammount of money we paid for him.
Does anyone else think that Beane might be the problem?
by yblood2hof on Oct 16, 2006 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't NY buy him?
I do agree that I'd rather have Wash than Geren or really anybody else. We do need a manager that the players are willing to run through a wall for.
BTW, the GM of the Marlins is Larry Beinfest.
by bigthree17 on Oct 16, 2006 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I do remember that Beane has been courted and at one point I feared losing him. Now I am not as sure how I feel. I must admit that I have enjoyed being competitive for the last 7 years. It just seems like there are certain people in the organization that excuses are given and accepted while others seem to be scapegoats. Macha seems to be the latter.
by yblood2hof on Oct 16, 2006 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Beinfest has received mad props
I'm certainly not a card-carrying member of the In Billy We Trust club, and I agree with the point that Beane got too cute with the "moneyball" / Giambi type player approach, but I don't believe that Macha is a scapegoat for others: Swisher for example.
Macha isn't a great tactical or strategic manager, and appears not to possess good personal skills.
by rfloh on Oct 16, 2006 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice that the game
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been waiting to hear from you
by yblood2hof on Oct 16, 2006 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know . . . .
by camperdog on Oct 16, 2006 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He managed
by day-to-day on Oct 16, 2006 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attention TWA passengers. The flight to Texas
by theblackpearl on Oct 16, 2006 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A's do what is right.
by pwilletts on Oct 16, 2006 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why was Lach such a terrible manager?
Uh, no. I won't claim to remember what Lach was like as a manager, but he was given some pretty shitty teams to work with. I wouldn't judge him by his career W-L record. He got the first four years of an expansion team (FLA), having the pleasure of a 45-year-old Charlie Hough as an ace fow a few years. Those were some bad teams, and I don't think Casey Stengel himself could have gotten them to .500. It's amazing they had a .437 winning percentage.
Lach also had the pleasure of managing the early-80s Mariner squads. I'm not trying to say that he's a great manager or will be good for the A's. But judging his suitability by his career W-L record, as I've seen in the Macha Threads, is kind of misleading.
by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it!!!!
He was seen as a LaRussa protege.
by saint on Oct 16, 2006 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else,
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 16, 2006 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leyland spent 18 years managing in the minors
by BubbaDude on Oct 16, 2006 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Observation
by coberloco on Oct 20, 2006 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yahoo
by ak_A on Oct 16, 2006 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Horrible Analysis & 5 Thoughts of Mine in One
In my humble opinion, the biggest line-up related mistake the A's made in the playoffs was switching Chavez and Payton in the batting order for games 1, 2, and 3. Chavez, Payton worked against Minnesota, so why the sudden change? It wasn't a pitching math-up because they didn't do that during the season and it probably only would have been a one game thing, not 3 games.
That being said, as we all know, most of those decisions come from Billy Beane, not the manager anyway.
Which gets to the next point. I disagree that Kielty should have played against lefties. There is a reason Kielty started the season in the minors. Kotsay bats .265 vs lefties, and Kotsay has a higher OBP than Kielty against both lefties and righties than Kielty. Also, like Blez himself mentioned, Kotsay is a MUCH BETTER defensive player. Given that defense (or lack of it) hurt us this series, would beching Kotsay for Kielty have helped? Never-the-less, I doubt that was Macha's choice to begin with. If you've read Moneyball; again, as with the Chavez-Payton flip, you know Beane makes those calls.
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Now let's talk about the new manager.
Personally, I LOVED Blez's idea of Orel Hershizer, but that won't happen since Orel would be: 1. Expensive 2. Someone who would, as a "mind of the game" himself, be at odds with Beane often.
I'd like it to be Ron Washington, but I think it will be Bob Geren OR there might be a big surprise in store (more on that later). Here's why.
First let's get Lacheman out of the way. Lacheman was a good manager. He led the Mariners to their first playoff berth despite having a weak team. He has a losing record, but never even had a team half as talented as the A's now. However, I've met Lach personally, and he is a stron personality. That, combined with his previous managerial experience means he would have his own ideas, and to be blunt, THE A'S DON'T WANT A MANAGER WITH HIS OWN IDEAS.
Now Ron Washington. The fact that I'd like to see Washington as manager is not so much the idea that he would be a great manager, but more the thought that we would lose him otherwise. Is there anyone here who disagrees that Wash has had a huge influence on the A's young guys? Failing to hire Wash means he'll probably be working with the kids in Texas as their manager.
So why Bob Geren? Well, only the A's would even consider him, and that's precisely why he's the front runner. He would be the least at risk to upset the "Billy Beane balance" because if the A's fire him, no one else would want to hire him.
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I do feel sorry for Ken Macha.
Macha could have left us years ago for the Red Sux, but he stayed for his chance to manage the A's.
Macha could have left for (sorry) Pittsburgh last year when the A's didn't renew his contract, but he wanted to stay.
Macha was in all ways loyal to the A's, and you really can't blame a "manager" for wanting to manage, at least a little.
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Now some thoughts on "Moneyball"...
Moneyball has been great for the A's. There isno doubt that Billy Beane has been the one reason the A's have remained competitive, even through the Schott years. However, watching a team play Moneyball is B-O-R-I-N-G!
Someone mentioned Rickey Henderson coming back to play for the A's. It'll never happen. Aside from the fact that Rickey's skills are, at this point, tantamount to Hiram Bocachica on his worst year; Rickey will not play for the A's because he steals bases (or at least he did).
In my opinion, baseball without stolen bases, hit and runs, nor even bunts is just not as fun. We loved Rickey because he could go at any given moment. A's fans can't expect that anymore.
In football, if running the ball proved to be statistically superior to passing, would itbe worth watching football if nobody passed?
In basketball, we KNOW that 3 point shots are statistically less accurate than 2 point shots (though when you factor the benefit of the additional point vs. the lower shooting percentage, 3 pointers are actually MORE beneficial; but that's basketball Sabremetrics, and I digress. - I suspect a Billy Beane run team would ONLY shoot 3 pointers), but what would basketball be without 3 pointers?
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And now the possible big surprise.
If I'm not mistaken, Art Howe is available.
Now the reason the A's let go of Howe was money, not personality conflict.
Even though Howe is still being paid by the Mets, most baseball guys (if you'll forgive the re-interpretation of the Moneyball term) usually want to stay in baseball.
Would unemployed (and already well paid) Howe be willing to come back to the A's for less?
Just a thought.
by coberloco on Oct 16, 2006 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give Macha too much credit
Wrong. Boston was not given permission to interview Macha who was still under contract to us.
"Macha could have left for (sorry) Pittsburgh last year when the A's didn't renew his contract, but he wanted to stay."
Wrong. Pittsburgh didn't want him. They hired Jim Tracy. Which set in motion Macha coming back to us with a cup in his hand.
"Macha was in all ways loyal to the A's, and you really can't blame a "manager" for wanting to manage, at least a little."
Loyal to the A's in what sense? The "A's" (players) don't seem to think so, or at least a good number of them. As for wanting to "manage"...he knew the deal when he signed on (twice!). And from recent accounts, he's had an easier time of it than Howe.
Don't feel sorry for him. He just got paid three year's wages for one year's work.
by beanehead on Oct 16, 2006 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue with that, Mr. Beanhead.
by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rickey Henderson also
Kotsay's splits: vs LH: 265-293-410, vs RH: 278-343-349
Kielty's splits: vs LH: 325-358-607, vs RH: 229-308-314.
by rfloh on Oct 16, 2006 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Art Howe
As to whom will be the manager for the A's, I really hope it will be Ron Washington. There's no question that he deserves a chance to manage a team. Beane should've just signed him already because I don't want Texas to have him. Heck just give Wash a one year contract to prove he can manage.
As for Ken Macha, I really didn't like him at all, granted as long as the A's kept winning I didn't care what the discontent there were between the players. But it's really sad after reading an article that after the A's were swept that no of the players talked to him and just walked away.
by Smartball on Oct 17, 2006 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walking away...
I had a bad feeling about the Tigers this year right after they beat the Yanks. Not because I thought they were unbeatable, but because they hoisted Leyland on their shoulders as soon as they won. Nothing quantifiable there...it just spoke volumes about how the Tigers felt about their manager as a TEAM. Contrast that image with Macha dousing himself with champagne after the A's won.
by beanehead on Oct 17, 2006 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Made Some Factual Mistakes
I admit my mistake on the Kielty thing. None-the-less, that decision comes from Beane, not Macha. So that argument is still bad.
As for Macha with the Red Sox, I believe he was given permission and that permission was later withdrawn, is that not correct? I'm going from my admittedly poor memory here, so I'm definitely open to corrections.
As for Rickey getting on base by walking, that's true, but I'll bet if you look at his numbers from that independent league he played in last season (I admit, I haven't seen them), he doesn't get on nearly as much as he used to. But your point is taken if you concede that his basestealing ability (which I would hope you'd agree is his true strength) is negated in Moneyball.
And finally, ok, Howe is out of the picture as of yesterday morning. It was just a thought.
So we'll call it 4 half-mistakes (maybe 3 halves and one full on the Macha, Red Sox thing).
Let me add another thought. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am - though on this one, I did a Google search), but this is the first team EVER to fire their manager after making it to the League Championship Series.
by coberloco on Oct 17, 2006 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry for your loss blez.
by Rx31 on Oct 17, 2006 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep reading this story title
by jeepers on Oct 17, 2006 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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