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FIRED MACHA NOW!!!

I was going to write a retrospective today on the season and start handing out final grades to individual A's for their performances in 2006, but as always with our Oakland Athletics, the offseason is NEVER a dead time.  As a matter of fact, AN has often seen growth in the offseason thanks to the hyper kinetic A's offseasons.

It appears like the A's will be firing Ken Macha today, who goes into the Oakland Athletics record books as the manager with the second highest winning percentage behind Dick Williams.

Macha did a fine job this year.  He did cost the A's a game here and there, in my opinion, and he also didn't make enough use of the A's amazing bullpen in the playoffs.  But for the most part, I don't think Macha is to blame for the A's coming up short.  The offense and the A's starting pitching is largely to blame for that one.  Well, that and the injury bug just never seemed to fully leave the A's.

Macha shouldn't have much of a problem finding a new job with all the managerial openings out there.  He's a proven winner, although in many ways his winning was largely a result of the talent the A's front office gave him.  

As for what direction the A's turn to, I would imagine the immediate candidates would be Tony DeFrancesco (the River Cats manager), Rene Lachemann (the A's first base coach), Ron Washington (the A's third base coach) and Bob Geren (the A's bench coach).  Expect Geren and Lachemann to be the front runners.

If the A's look outside the organization (which seems unlikely to me), perhaps they go after someone like Bud Black or an under-the-radar guy like Orel Hershiser.  I don't see them sweeping in and grabbing someone like Piniella or Dusty Baker as that's just not the A's.  Remember that Beane likes the front office to have a lot of say in decisions made on the field and Baker and Lou aren't the type of look to the front office for input.  Love it or not, that's the way Beane has felt about managers.

I don't think this is a bad thing.  My problems with Macha has always been a couple of things...first, I do want my manager to show some emotion on occasion.  I don't want a raving lunatic like Lou or Whiny Mike Scioscia, but I do want a manager who will call bulls%&t to an umpire on occasion.  Macha took whatever bad breaks the umps gave him.  Maybe that even keel worked in the clubhouse, but I don't think the players would've minded a guy who went out and fought the good fight on occasion.

Macha also didn't manage to win in the postseason.  Bobby Kielty should've been in against lefties and if Kotsay didn't like it, that was tough.  I know Kots made two great plays in the outfield to save runs, but he also didn't do anything against lefties offensively.  And believe me, you won't find a bigger Kotsay fan anywhere than right here.  He also should've really yanked Loaiza earlier than he did.  You've got an amazing bullpen that was lights out for the majority of the series and you didn't use it as much as you should've.  There's a reason that Beane built the team from the back to the front.  And Macha needed to realize that.  Granted Duchscherer wasn't available which left a gaping hole, but in the postseason you absolutely have to be more aggressive about pitching changes.  I don't blame Macha for leaving guys out there a little too long in a 162-game season, but not in a seven-game series.

And ultimately, I guess what undid Macha is the fact that he had a poor level of communication with his players.  That's pretty unacceptable for a manager.  You need to know your players and what is going on with them.  Even the ones who seem insignificant like Melhuse.  That's YOUR JOB.  

So, it appears like less than two days after the A's were eliminated from the playoffs, Ken Macha will be taking the fall.  It's already shaping up to be a fascinating offseason in Athletics Nation.  As usual.

[UPDATE: Macha has officially been fired. We move into a next phase of the Beane era now.]

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WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
(Sorry, just couldn't help it!)
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:15 PM PDT   0 recs

Great wrapup by the way.
Mine would have been one line. ;)
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Blez,
You're starting to sound like me-- about Billy Beane and the way he views the role of his manager--now I'm beginning to worry about you.

by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By the way
Macha is fired.  It has now appeared on the bottom line on ESPNEWS.  

by Blez on Oct 16, 2006 1:15 PM PDT   0 recs

link?
All I found there was the report that it could happen, quoting the Chron

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 1:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It isn't up there yet
But I just got the official release.  Pasted below.

by Blez on Oct 16, 2006 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm so sorry we couldn't do better by you
Macha.  I'll miss you.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

It just doesn't have the same feeling this year
For some reason, I really though Macha had his best year in 2006, and it wasn't even close.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What Coaches
outside of the organization are realistically available?  If this is a long list, don't bother.  But is there an speculation as to who, if anyone they might be interested in?

by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Also
The official release from the A's:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:    October 16, 2006

A's Manager Ken Macha Relieved of His Duties

OAKLAND, Calif. - Oakland Athletics Vice President and General Manager Billy Beane announced today Ken Macha has been relieved of his duties as manager of the club.

Macha compiled a 368-280 record in four seasons as manager of the A's. He joined the Oakland organization in 1999 as bench coach and was named the 27th manager in franchise history on October 29, 2002.

# # # # #

It's very real this time.  I fully expect one of the guys on the inside to be the replacement.  Remember that Bob Geren is one of Billy Beane's best friends.

by Blez on Oct 16, 2006 1:18 PM PDT   0 recs

I liked Macha but always knew he wasn't the right
guy for this job.

He will have no problem finding work.

"I hate the Angels"

by Vegas A's Fan on Oct 16, 2006 1:19 PM PDT   0 recs

New
beginning I guess, the team played great this year and communacation has always been a big part of sports. It's not that Macha was not a good baseball man it's that players made him look like a million bucks often more times than not.
"Talk about impressive. My point is this: Break's over."- Josiah Bartlet

by doublehustle22 on Oct 16, 2006 1:19 PM PDT   0 recs

it would make sense
if it was washington because he is already being interviewed by texas, and the rangers would love to take away one of the a's best resources...
"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Oct 16, 2006 1:20 PM PDT   0 recs

I think we should go for Phil Jackson
Plenty of communication and yoga.

by mikeA on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT   0 recs

Macha
Held the fort down and did nothing to improve, or for that matter, damage, the A's. He was the safe choice when we got him and he played it safe while he was here. Time for a philosophical change. Time for Beane to bring in someone who's not a yes-man.

I say, hire Rickey.

by mvk on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT   0 recs

ha
"hey kotsay, rickey says you'll play today and like.  if you don't rickey will fire your ass and rickey will play cf and hit leadoff.

you, melhuse, get rickey some coffee!

everybody, repeat after rickey:  rickey is the greatest of all time."

by Backspin on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well, at least Rickey would speak to Melhuse
Bradley! Rickey thinks this coffee Melhuse brought is too hot for Rickey. Rickey says to dump this coffee on Loaiza!
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now that
is funny.

Rickey said you made him laugh.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 16, 2006 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like the Seinfeld episode
from 10-11 years ago!  That was a comeback episode for the show, after slipping badly for about 6 months

by wolffpackdavid on Oct 16, 2006 5:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen.

by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha!
Rickey: (speaking to Jay Payton) Hey, Kotsay. You're sitting today. Rickey is gonna play in left today. Its time for Rickey to get back out on the field!

by RickeySteals on Oct 16, 2006 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If this is true, it's pretty sad
"Expect Geren and Lachemann to be the front runners."

Washington should be the front runner. I'm hoping race isn't factor here.

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT   0 recs

Are you serious?!
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 16, 2006 1:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not possible
because that would mean Billy gave a crap about the color of someone's skin.  The guy is color blind and loves Wash.  
"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, Moneyball is totally racist.
It's right there on page 94.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hope you are kidding
I don't have the book in my office (though I probably should).
"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Must be kidding...
...I looked at page 94 - absolutely nothing about race or Washington - who I would make manager in a heartbeat! A's game would change, too. This was a good team that didn't use all of the tools available to it. Wash would! Big ? is not whether Wash "knows" the game...it's whether Beane would let him manage and I think he would.

by doubleplayer on Oct 16, 2006 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying the others shouldn't be considered
But to say they should be the front runners is bothersome to me. It's not like Wash is some snot nosed kid. He's been a key part of the A's staff and been around the game for years.

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He also has no managerial
experience, something that the other three front-runners do have.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was waiting for someone to say that
As is always the case with minority coaches the experience card gets played. How the hell do you get the experience if you never get the job? I might be mistaken but Wash is older than Geren and been in the game longer. So are we supposed to accept it as fact Washington knows less about the game just because he hasn't spent a few years in the minors as manager?

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and just to be clear
I have no problems with Lachemann being a front runner. My problem is with Geren being put in that class ahead of Wash.

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Difference between Geren and Wash...
Geren has had experience managing down in Sacto.  Wash has only held titles as "coaches."
Lance Armstrong can make homophobic jokes on ESPN, yet Harold Reynolds pays the ultimate price? Explain that to me.

by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So how come Washington didn't get that job?
I'll answer my own question. I just think Wash has been too valuable to send down to the minors to manager. I mean, how fair is it to keep talking about experience when you have to be given a managers job to get the experience?

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 4:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Too valuable?
If that's the case, then he should definately had been sent down to Sactown to get the experience.  Or had sought it earlier in his career.

I don't disagree that Wash should get the job.  I just see Geren as having more managerial experience than Wash.

Lance Armstrong can make homophobic jokes on ESPN, yet Harold Reynolds pays the ultimate price? Explain that to me.

by gmoneymcg on Oct 16, 2006 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good question.
But I don't think that being a minority has anything to do with it.  In fact, Wash has a fair chance of being hired to manage in Texas.  Maybe that's where he'll get his experience.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why should it have to be Texas
He's been a coach for the A's 8-9 years now. He's been the primary defensive coach for a team known for playing great defense. The greatest defensive 3rdbaseman in the league credits him with making him the player he is. He's like and even loved by a lot of the current players. Seriously, what else could he have done to make people think he deserves a shot with this organization?

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 2:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he has managed in winter league
although it's true he doesn't have as much managerial experience as the other two.

then again, having alot of managerial experience doesn't make one a good manager...there are plenty of examples.

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 2:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Race isn't a factor
Experience is.  

Geren trumps Wash.

by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw Geren for a couple years here in Sac
He didn't show me anything to make me think he should be considered a front runner over Wash.

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and what has Wash shown?
Wash hasn't even managed a game above the single-A level.

Geren has had full control of the bullpen before and has had to make actual decisions.  

All Wash has had to do is wave someone around.  

by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love how people make managing a baseball team
sound like teaching calculus to 1st graders

Anyone around the game as long as Wash will do just fine at the nuts and bolts stuff. It all comes down to dealing with and motivating players.

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 3:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and how do you exactly know
wash is more qualified to do that than geren?

by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 5:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen again.

by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen that race isn't a factor.
My favorite is Ron Washington.

by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still say Kotsay was the judas
Let's face it, Macha was in a no-win situation with some of those communication issues.

Kotsay along with Payton were cited by Slusser as the key people disatisifed with Macha's communications.  But in reality it wasn't about style - it was about playing time.  

And yes, Kielty should have batted agains lefties in the post-season.

Just conjecture, but it seems like Kotsay got his cake (playing time in the post-season) AND got to eat it too (Macha fired).

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:22 PM PDT   0 recs

gotta be more
I don't think Kotsay himself has the juice. It had to be a combo of the old guys (Kotsay, Kendall, Thomas) and the new guys (Harden, Ellis, etc.)

That combined with Macha's questionable use of Street and Ginterizing of, well, Ginter, and Perez might be enough to push things over the edge.

Otherwise, I don't see what we've learned this year about Macha that Billy didn't know when lowballing him last year in negotiations.

by Apricot on Oct 16, 2006 1:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Some good points,
except about Ginter.  Ginter did his own Ginterizing and basically sucked at AAA level since getting sent down.  I don't buy the fact that Macha did anything to hurt Ginter's career - Ellis (and Scooter) outplayed him massively in 2005 and separation grew in 2006.
"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ginterizing?
Sorry, but Keith Ginter is the worst player I have ever seen at the major league level. in fifty years of watching and playing the game fairly attentively (Of course, because of this experience, I also understand that if I ever had to play against him I would be completely awed by his skills). His 18 home runs at Milwaukee were hit in Triple A, let's not forget. Not only he couldn't hit, but he was even a worse infielder. At least Perex can pick 'em. And to get Ginter, the A's gave up Nelson Cruz, who looks like he might be able to play.

by froggiethegremlin on Oct 16, 2006 6:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gossip gossip gossip...
It's all water under the bridge, now.

by Salvatore on Oct 16, 2006 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

FIRE MACHA NOW!!!
Guess we won't be seeing that anymore...

by SD Erik on Oct 16, 2006 1:22 PM PDT   0 recs

Well, maybe not *here*...
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 2:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In Bad Times
... it might become "HIRE MACHA NOW!"

by Dan_Honolulu on Oct 16, 2006 5:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well, a year ago Beane gave him a bris
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh...
Stick that f'in thing out there?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 1:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Best to weat a helmet
when you step to the plate in Oakland.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow...
If Macha had trouble communicating with players, isn't this the kind of thing that the General Manager can talk to him about?  Hard to imagine that the problem was so severe it couldn't be handled.  Makes me wonder if there is something else going on here.

by solotar on Oct 16, 2006 1:23 PM PDT   0 recs

It's official official now
It's on the A's website
Hard work never hurt anyone, but I'm not taking any chances.

by Alameda Greg on Oct 16, 2006 1:24 PM PDT   0 recs

Official statement.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20061016&c ontent_id=1714959&vkey=pr_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak
"Dick Cheney sitting down with Fox News is like Mrs. Butterworth sitting down with the Pancake Channel." -Jimmy Kimmel

by Christine on Oct 16, 2006 1:24 PM PDT   0 recs

Just heard the news
I'm kind of shocked he was fired. He did a good job while he was here considering what he had to work with. The only problem I had with him was he didn't have that "feel" of a great manager. His moves or non-moves were always second-guessed and the fact that he seems a little too laid back may have worn thin with Beane. Maybe they're looking for a bit more "fire" out of their skippers, who knows.

I think Ron Washington or Bob Geren would be a good replacement candidates. I'm not too impressed with guys from outside of the organization, although getting Dusty Baker or even Felipe Alou just to screw the Giants would be kind of funny to me.

by knowledge24 on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Felipe Alou?!?!?!
did you watch a giants game all season?!?! He was asleep the entire time. One of the worst managing jobs I've ever seen.

by MikeyJ on Oct 16, 2006 8:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great move.
Now let's see Wash get the promotion he deserves, please.

Also, the link.

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 1:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Macha's Firing ( Again)
I don't think Macha is a bad manager but he clearly plays favorites rather than try to get the most out of everyone on the team. For instance, it is clear a Macha favorite is Jason Kendall. He did what Kendall wanted and never played Melhuse, even though he said at the start of the year that Melhuse would become a more active member of the team.

While I think Macha is smart and analytical, it would seem he has trouble relating to players and is not a good communicator with the press or fans. I think he keeps the team stable when losing but provides little inspiration.

I don't think the A's will ever have a great manager with Beane as GM since he clearly doesn't want a manager to challenge his authority. I think Beane respects the opinion of his brain trusts but not the manager. Could you imagine Detroit getting ten people in a room and voting on the rotation for the playoffs? A great manager like Leyland wouldn't allow that to happen.

While I love Wash in his current position, I wonder whether he is just too nice a guy to be a manager that can't please everyone. Also, his time to teach would be diminished and that is what he excels at and loves.

If we lose Macha, I don't think the replacement will be much better or worse given the type of manager Beane desires. We will just be out $2 million dollars and look stupid for not making the change last year.

by scarr1 on Oct 16, 2006 1:27 PM PDT   0 recs

I think Wash has the stones
to tell a player off if need be.Plus he also commands respect and even love.

I really think he could be the right man for the job. However, I'm not convinced that Beane won't hire Geren instead.

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 1:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what I worry about.
Wasn't Geren the presumptive front-runner last year during Macha's "holdout"? And I think he was Beane's best man at his wedding.

by WannaBeGM on Oct 16, 2006 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Washington
Agreed on Washington. I think he should be the next A's manager and would be very succesful.
I know that Texas isn't going to hire him, even though he would be a great fit down there.

Macha did a good job I thought considering the amount of injuries the A's had.

The injury to Mark Ellis and letting go of Mike Rouse were the big things that hurt the A's this playoff run, not Ken Macha's lineups.

by apilgrim on Oct 16, 2006 4:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...
Not living in the Bay Area I haven't seen the numerous articles talking about this problem, but if that is the case I think it is the right move.  I was pretty frustrated with the way Macha used his staff, and overused Street this season.  I just hope they give the gig to Ron Washington and don't make the mistake of picking Dusty or another retread.

by Rickey35 on Oct 16, 2006 1:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Wash is by far the only correct move
Let's do this right for a change. Get it over with already - HIRE WASH.  If this happens, I promise to renew my season tickets today.
"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Oct 16, 2006 1:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Think about...
...how excited the players will be if Wash is named manager.  Please, please please make this happen.

by NewPosterMojo on Oct 16, 2006 1:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Great News
Personally, I am glad Macha is fired. I was never a fan of his, or of Art Howe. Neither of them knew how to manage big games. And thats where you are exposed as a good manager or a poor manager, which both him and Howe both were.

He didn't manage the starting pitching and/or bullpen correctly...He left Zito, Loaiza and Harden in too long, but then yanks Haren out because its "do or die time". Is he saying that games 1-3 aren't do or die? So he might as well leave them in there?

I'm very happy about this. I know it won't happen, but I would be extremely pleased if they gave Girardi a look, although he is a hot head, and wants to manage the way he wants without someone from the front office telling him how to do it, but I believe with him working with this young club, with the exception of some of the vets obviously, Girardi could do wonders.

by mills16 on Oct 16, 2006 1:29 PM PDT   0 recs

It's not just that he leaves pitchers in too long
He waits too long to get someone throwing in the pen. I've seen 4 or 5 games in person this year, where you knew the starter was heading into deep water yet the bullpen sat quiet. It wasn't until the game was tied of lead lost that someone got up to throw.

by sactownbull on Oct 16, 2006 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree 100%
And that is one reason why he needed to go...
Let's hope they go out and get someone good...

by mills16 on Oct 17, 2006 8:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I updated the headline
and added the link to the official release.

by Blez on Oct 16, 2006 1:32 PM PDT   0 recs

Funny...
I updated the title of my diary, and added a link to here...
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 16, 2006 2:04 PM PDT