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Signing the Great Equalizer

Athletics Nation, meet your 2006 Oakland A's DH Frank Thomas.

Otherwise known as "The Big Hurt", Thomas has been a mashing force throughout his career in the south side of Chicago.

There are so many different angles to dissect this move, it's tough to know where to start.  So let's start where Billy Beane probably started.  The statistics.

  • Over his career, Frank Thomas has a .995 OPS.  That's good for 10th in all of baseball history.  Let me repeat that, that's good for 10th in baseball history.  The other names on the list?  Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Bonds, Helton (surely aided by the Colorado air), Foxx, Greenberg, Hornsby, and Manny Ramirez.  He is also an on-base machine, which had to have Billy Beane more than willing to take a chance on someone with these credentials.  Thomas ranks 12th all-time with a .427 OBP.  10 out of 15 years he has had 100 or more walks in a season.  So why was someone with this resume available?  That gets into another part of the equation to factor in.
  •  Thomas is a very large man (6'5", 275 pounds) with some questionable health issues.  The reports on Thomas and his injured ankle make him a scary proposition.  He played only 74 games in 2004 and 34 in 2005.  Thomas is like an 18-wheeler right now trying to successfully end his career on tricycle wheels.  I believe that the A's did their due diligence on this though.  Billy Beane's offseason reading has been nothing but medical reports.  First, Milton Bradley's and now, Thomas.  The other thing to keep in mind is that signing Thomas doesn't hurt the team.  The A's are a deeper team than they have been in many, many years.  If Thomas goes down for some time, they have Dan Johnson to DH and Nick Swisher to play first.  If Chavez goes down for a few weeks, they now have Antonio Perez to help at that position.  Same with Bobby Crosby and Mark Ellis.  Any one of the outfielders gets hurt, they have Jay Payton.  If one of the starting pitchers gets hurt, you have Saarloos and Kennedy in the pen.  The 2005-06 offseason will be remembered as one of addition without subtraction.  The only issue here will be spreading out the at-bats in the unlikely case that the team remains healthy.
  •  The lineup looks intimidating now.  With Ellis, Kotsay, Thomas, Chavez, Bradley, Crosby, Johnson, Swisher and Kendall, this team will have the ability to put up runs in bunches.  It has a lot of power and it has a ton of patience.  This lineup could drive opposing pitchers crazy with their ability to lay off bad pitches and hammer the stuff out over the plate.  And the thing is, this offense didn't need to get that much better.  It only needed to marginally improve, especially with the addition of Esteban Loaiza.  But now, with Payton, Perez and Kielty on the bench, it's deep and it should be protected against injury.  Although I wouln't be surprised to see Payton moved, I also wouldn't be surprised if he stays here to help guard against injury.  The only challenge then is to keep all the players in the clubhouse happy with playing time if everyone stays healthy.  Macha has struggled with his lack of depth over the last few years, let's see how he does with an abundance of depth.
  •  Thomas has a reputation of being a good clubhouse presence and someone who is a good leader.  While I don't usually put a lot of stock into these "reputations", I firmly believe that Frank Thomas will have a positive impact on the A's clubhouse, and could even counteract any problems that may have arisen from the acquisition of Milton Bradley.
  •  Is Thomas the big bat so many ANers have been asking for?  That remains to be seen.  Thomas has only had 345 at-bats over the past two seasons.  He probably isn't the player he was in 2000, which was his last really great season.  But if he can get back to his 2003 form and slug .562, he will be the player who can put this team over the top.  Keep in mind that Thomas' worst slugging percentage over a season where he played more than 20 games in his career was .471.  The A's only had one position player over that number last year and that was Mark Ellis at .477.  Eric Chavez slugged .466.  That statistic, more than any other one, bodes well for the A's.  As Billy Beane is fond of saying, power is the great equalizer in baseball.  Beane got his equalizer in Thomas.
  •  Make no mistake about it, the signing of Frank Thomas means that the A's are going for it all this year.  You don't sign 37-year-old players, even to an incentive-laden deal, if you aren't thinking about winning in the short term.  Now, Zito may still eventually be traded, but if you couple Z being an Athletic along with this signing, it tells me that the front office believes this team has a legitimate shot this year to win the World Series.  And you know what?  I believe them.
  •  The A's aren't going to get perfect players...at least until this team gets its new stadium.  That's why you see the A's getting players like Thomas, who has the injury problems, and Bradley, who has the behavior problems.  But at the same time, these are players who can contribute to a team in a big way.  Thomas with his big stick.  Bradley with his stick and his defense.  In order to successfully run a small market club, you have to take risks, but you have to choose which risks are likely to bring the highest reward.  Thomas and Bradley could be huge cogs in a championship run.  But there is also big "ifs" associated with both of these players.  Thomas and his health and Bradley and his inability to stay out of trouble.
  •  I said this on the air with Marty Lurie on his Inside Baseball show and I'll say it now.  Since the A's have now signed Frank Thomas (I said "if the A's sign Thomas" on the air), I believe this team becomes the favorite in the American League to go to the World Series.  Now, circumstances can change that, like if the Angels suddenly got Tejada and Manny Ramirez, but as of right now, I really like the A's chances this year and I'm more excited than ever about this team.  

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hear hear
Beane's best offseason.

The team has virtually no weakness and many strengths.

Let's rock and roll

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jan 25, 2006 2:47 PM PST   0 recs

I'm still a little worried about the pen
Granted, Saarloos is in there now, which is an upgrade, but I'm worried about Duke coming back down to earth and I do feel this team needs a quality LOOGY for players like Teixeira, Blalock, Ibanez and Anderson.

by Blez on Jan 25, 2006 2:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ricky wasn't great
Kennedy could be just as good or better; Flores waits in the wings; and there's a trade deadline.

And it's not as if Calero, Witasick and Duke can't get lefties out.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jan 25, 2006 2:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

also
I imagine thats what Beane might deal Payton or Kielty for before the season starts.

If not a bullpen guy, AN always loves a good prospect!

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Jan 25, 2006 3:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Payton back to Boston
it looks like the red sox are in need of a center fielder with the Coco Crisp deal looking less likley.  i like Payton a lot but its hard to justify having two back up outfielders at the price we pay for them.
"Baseball is simple. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. sometimes you win. some times you loose. some times it rains." -Bull Durham

by DC on Jan 25, 2006 4:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The sharks are already
swimming over our extra OF'ielders.  See Camden Chat

by eamb on Jan 25, 2006 4:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Also Indians fans
http://www.letsgotribe.com/story/2006/1/25/174858/979

They want Swisher.

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Jan 25, 2006 4:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

... or Payton ...
... they're also on crack: [re Payton] "would Oakland take back Rhodes for him?"
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 25, 2006 4:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

::shudders::
Almost forgot about him.  Almost.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Jan 25, 2006 4:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm going on the record
if rhodes comes back I will hit him in the head with my cell phone...

by AsFan on Jan 26, 2006 1:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

ooops
I linked to the same story and called it Camden Chat as opposed to Let's Go Tribe.

by eamb on Jan 25, 2006 4:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

One other thing about the pen
I think the signing of Loaiza means that there will be less stress on the bullpen because all five pitchers can get deep into games now.  Saarloos' biggest knock against him last season was the short outings.  If you can get six or ideally seven innings out of your starters, this pen is certainly strong enough.  But that's an if.

by Blez on Jan 25, 2006 2:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, maybe not Anderson.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Jan 25, 2006 2:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think
we need to change the roster for Ibanez either, especially if we are ahead by 5 runs during his last few at-bats in a game
"If you throw at someone's head, it's very dangerous, because in the head is the brain." -- Pudge Rodriguez

by niallmack on Jan 25, 2006 3:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"The team has virtually no weakness..."
Classic Oaktoon over optimism.

We've still got Kendall behind the dish not throwing out runners with alarming regularity. The Big Hurt is still a big ?, so is Bradley, as are all the returning rookies. They're not ALL going to improve.

Let's look at it this way, if the Angels had signed Thomas, would we all think they'd be the favorites to win the World Series?

"Keep the juices going by jangling around gently as you move." - Satchel Paige

by McFood on Jan 25, 2006 4:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

When they lose 3 straight at some point
he will comment that the team has no strengths....Just a matter of time.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jan 25, 2006 4:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No
before the Thomas signing I figured the A's to have a decent chance at 100 wins, even with the league improving as a whole from players coming from the NL. 96-97 for sure.

Now i believe 100 is not only attainable, but likely.

By virtually no weaknesses I mean the following:

  1. the best 1-5 rotation in the sport;
  2. a deep and very strong bullpen;
  3. a very balanced lineup 1-9, with significant depth b ehind it;
  4. a very good fielding team;
jason kendall can't throw out baserunners-- OK-- there's a weakness.

It's a very very strong team.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jan 25, 2006 10:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Just what I've been waiting for!
No surprise they announced the signing three days before single game tickets go on sale.  I was undecided on how many tickets to buy.  This changes everything.

In my view this is a no-lose deal.  If he is healthy Swisher and Johnson can platoon.  If he is not, the A's have quality back-ups.  

Is there now any doubt who will be on the 25 man rooster at the start of the season?
~Dave

by bolt on Jan 25, 2006 2:49 PM PST   0 recs

Only question i can think of
is Ginter vs. Scutaro.

Other than that:

Thomas
Kendall
Melhuse
DJ
Ellis
Crosby
Perez
Chavez
kielty
payton
Swish
Bradley
Kotsay

and 11 pitchers, with a pen of Saarloos, Witasick, kennedy, Duke, Calero and Street.

Of course someone wil get hurt in spring training.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jan 25, 2006 2:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

platoon Swisher and Payton?
no, no, no.  nither of those kids are sitting.  DJ is at first, Swisher is in right field and Kielty and Payton are our two back ups.  weather we need two expensive outfield back ups like that is another story.
"Baseball is simple. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. sometimes you win. some times you loose. some times it rains." -Bull Durham

by DC on Jan 25, 2006 4:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Swisher
Why does Swisher automatically get a spot in the OF?  I would like to see Swisher, Kielty, and Payton battle it out in Spring Training.  
  • May the best man win  
  • May the worst man get dealt

by Colorado Fan on Jan 25, 2006 4:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

So what you're saying
Is you're willing to let a few meaningless spring training games in which one could reasonably fluke into a terrible performance decided whether we give playing time to one of our brightest young players or not in favor of the likes of Jay Payton or Bobby Kielty?

Call me crazy, but I'll see what's behind door number two.

by walk off bunt on Jan 25, 2006 5:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Competition
I don' think the LF job should be handed to Swisher.  And if you don't think competition makes players better, then you've never been competitive.

I understand BB strokes Swisher as much as any GM to player in the history of baseball, but Payton is better than Swisher (this coming season).  Defensively and Offensively...

Frank Thomas was signed to help this team win it all THIS SEASON.  Why not play your best 9 players the majority of THIS SEASON?  

It needs to be considered, IMO.

by Colorado Fan on Jan 25, 2006 6:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Defensively, yes
Swisher is a better hitter now, and is likely to improve, wheras Payton is likely to regress.

2005 Swisher  -  .236 .322 .446 .768
2005 Payton   -  .269 .302 .451 .753
2004 Payton -    .260 .326 .367 .693

In fact, Payton has only topped Swisher's rookie OPS while playing for the Rockies.

Payton is a great 4th OF. He plays good defence, and will pop the occasional HR, but his lack of plate discipline limits his usefulness to a backup role.

by MrIncognito on Jan 26, 2006 6:31 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying that Payton...
...is decidedly better than Swisher.  I am saying that it shouldn't automatically be Swisher's job.

Payton Lifetime OPS = .773

by Colorado Fan on Jan 26, 2006 9:07 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Payton better than Swisher in '06?
Where do you get this?  Swisher was better than Payton (as a rookie) in '05!

OPS:
Swisher .768
Payton  .749

by boilerdan on Jan 26, 2006 6:53 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Payton
Swisher will continue to be inconsistent...

Payton Lifetime:  .773 OPS

So Payton doesn't deserve a chance to start?  Swisher should be "handed" the LF starting job?

by Colorado Fan on Jan 26, 2006 9:01 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Swish is in his ealry to mid 20's
Payton is in his early to mid 30's. Swisher should get better, Payton will likely be worse. Payton's lifetime OPS wouldn't look as good without his Coors years.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Jan 26, 2006 2:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Its going to be Swish
because he costs us almost nothing, we have him for five more years, he has a greater power potential, but most importantly you cant develop players by sitting them.  Swisher and DJ are our future and they are going to get every oprotunity to develop there potential.
"Baseball is simple. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. sometimes you win. some times you loose. some times it rains." -Bull Durham

by DC on Jan 25, 2006 5:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Future
The future is now, isn't it?  

Who's going to be the better player in 2006?  Swisher or Payton?  History says Payton.

AN is so used to thinking about the future of our ballclub.  Well friends, the future is right in front of us.  Play the best 9 ballplayers!  

by Colorado Fan on Jan 25, 2006 6:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Look at their birthdates
Payton might BE history.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Jan 26, 2006 2:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You haven't been paying any attention to BB for...
the past years, if you think Swish will sit if he has a poor Spring Training, and if either Keilty or Payton are lights out in the desert in March.  If Swish has a poor April and May, he might sit for awhile in June, but he and DJ are going to be around for a long time with the A's and both will be playing most every day.

by robertmelvin on Jan 25, 2006 6:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Awesome
I'll all for the Thomas singing. Think it's a great move. I wish we would have a team option on him for the 2007 season - but oh well. ESPN reports the base salary was 500,000 (can go up to 2.4). I think it was a huge loss to every other team in MLB to miss a great opportunity like this. Glad Beane and the A's picked him up. Lets hope for his good health!

by MoneyManWilliam on Jan 25, 2006 2:51 PM PST   0 recs

correction (not a huge deal, just saying)
1 yr for $500,000 that can go up to $3.1 million in total:
OAKLAND, Calif. -- Free agent slugger Frank Thomas agreed to a one-year, $500,000 contract with Oakland on Wednesday, giving the Athletics the big bat they've been searching for in the middle of their lineup.

Thomas, a two-time American League MVP who has been slowed by injuries in recent years, can make an additional $2.6 million in bonuses based on plate appearances and not hurting his left foot.

"...and in Joe [Blanton]'s case, it's almost like he crammed the whole rookie year in a month, then became a veteran." --Billy Beane

by rungood on Jan 25, 2006 2:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Still...
Hatteberg earned slightly less than what Thomas may earn next years.  And, not to knock Hatte, but who has a bigger upside?
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on Jan 25, 2006 3:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh, I know!!
And I love answering rhetorical questions.

I'm sooo excited about having the Big Hurt for so cheap, and I think it's preposterous that other teams didn't risk taking a flier on him for even a bit more.  I mean, $3.1mil (max) is less than his buyout from the Chi-Sox!!

PS: Sorry Hatte, it's no contest.

"...and in Joe [Blanton]'s case, it's almost like he crammed the whole rookie year in a month, then became a veteran." --Billy Beane

by rungood on Jan 25, 2006 3:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"bigger upside"?
I think Frank has a bigger upside, downside, leftside, rightside, inside, and outside than just about anyone except maybe CC Sabathia or Prince Fielder.
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 25, 2006 4:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

don't forget backside
the most important side of all.  
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Jan 26, 2006 12:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ah, but ...
... bigger isn't necessarily better when it comes to the backside ...
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 26, 2006 1:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Not according to Sir Mix-a-lot
aw heck.  Now I'm going to have that in my head all day.  I blame you.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Jan 26, 2006 3:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't blame me!
Blame Macha!
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 26, 2006 6:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

still cheap
$3.1 million for a healthy season out of big time slugger is a bargain. If he is healthy Thomas can hit 30-40 HR's easily and his OBP can stay around .470 -.490
"At this point I bleed Green & Gold,"- Lew Wolff

by BashBrothers89 on Jan 25, 2006 3:03 PM PST   0 recs

agree
3.1 million for a slugger of his caliber is a bargain.  If he makes the PA's hes pretty much a lock for solid OBP and SLG, even if the HR totals arent that great.  

 

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Jan 25, 2006 3:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I dunno
If it'll be that high. A .470 OBP is downright Bondsian. I think a full season will be somewhere between .385-.410. Although that's nothing to complain about. I'm so giddy over this signing I can hardly contain myself. I immediately blasted "Shout" by the Isley Brothers when I found out. Everyone in my building must think I'm nuts.
"May our feet be swift. May our bats be mighty. And may our balls be...plentiful."

by nothinlikethetown on Jan 25, 2006 3:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

the more we pay, the better the player
at least in this case, that's assured.  It's a great contract for the A's.  And if he produces, everyone's happy.

by Brian in 317 on Jan 25, 2006 5:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I really like the contract
If he's hurt, he's a small loss.  $500k is a nice gamble, small downside there.

It's a great contract.  From the AP:

 Thomas can earn $1.4 million in roster bonuses if he is on the active major league roster or not on the DL related to a left foot injury. He would get $325,000 each on May 1 and June 15, and $375,000 apiece on July 15 and Aug. 15.

He also can earn $1.2 million in performance bonuses: $200,000 each for 300, 350, 400, 450, 500 and 550 plate appearances.

So, even if he's healthy, he's still under $3 million.  That seems like a bargain for a player of Thomas's ability.

The danger is if he is playing, but nagging injuries and age diminish his skills.  Seems worth the risk.

by kirbyk on Jan 25, 2006 3:04 PM PST   0 recs

Well
If that wording is accurate, all they have to do in order to keep him from reaching those bonuses would be to remove him from the active major league roster, i.e. designating him for assignment. They could release him if he's healthy but struggling.

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 25, 2006 4:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It would have to be hopeless for the
Union to sit through that
Besides Barton has there ever been a ROY at DH?

by A s Eh on Jan 25, 2006 10:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Payton vs Kielty
The only reason to keep both Payton and Kielty is if you are betting on an injury - which, would probably be a good bet seeing as how Thomas, Bradley, and Kotsay all were out for consideral periods of time last season.  But as pointed out in one of Urban's articles both players will be paid quite a bit of money to hang around awaiting an injury that hopefully never occurs.  

As some have written, this is a nice predicament to have; however, it could be bad in terms of how it affects the clubhouse.  Payton showed in Boston that he is not one to sit on the bench and be nice about it.  Kielty on the other hand, though he too would not be happy, would be more patient and less vocal about his displeasure.  

I for one advocate trading Kielty, keeping Payton, and bringing up Charles Thomas or Watson to serve as an emergency OFer of late inning baserunner.  Payton is more versatile, can play CF if necessary, and IMO more consistant at the plate (Kielty seems to only produce at the plate when he is in the line-up day in and day-out - not a great attribute for a bench player).  It would be easier to give Payton enough PT to keep him happy if that PT is not split with another deserving player such as Kielty.

The only downside is that Kielty will not fetch as much on the market as Payton.  Looking at our young crop of players in our farm system, however, I'd say we could survive without obtaining a prized future talent.  Maybe some cash and a decent young prospect.  

"Do you ever get down on your knees and thank God you know me and have access to my dementia?" - George Costanza

by Captain on Jan 25, 2006 3:06 PM PST   0 recs

Payton v. Kielty
I haven't always been biggest Kielty's biggest fan, but I still advocate keeping him over Payton.  Here are a few reasons:
  1. Payton has a bigger market value than Kielty right now
  2. Payton makes $4 million in '06 vs. $1.85 million for Kielty
  3. Payton is 33 years old on opening day, while Kielty's only 29
  4. Kielty is a switch hitter, Payton bats only Righty
  5. Kielty's got some good A's mojo-- when he hit that walkoff and fluffed up his hair as he rounded 3rd, everyone started smacking him on the head and he got the team all fired up.  Payton, on the other hand, while he embraced his arrival in Oakland, whined in Boston about PT and could be a problem in 2006.
  6. On the stats side, Payton's line (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS) reads: .267/.306/.444/.750.  Kielty's: .263/.350/.395/.745.  That's an OPS of -.005 for Kielty, which is negligible.  With the addition of Frank Thomas, I'd much rather have Kielty's high OBP than Payton's high SLG%.
To me the choice is easy.  Keep Kielty.
"...and in Joe [Blanton]'s case, it's almost like he crammed the whole rookie year in a month, then became a veteran." --Billy Beane

by rungood on Jan 25, 2006 3:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

you forgot
that Payton is a MUCH better outfielder than Kielty is.  I know it would suck but if Kotsay AND MB get hurt you could put Payton in CF easily.
Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Jan 25, 2006 3:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

you're right about the overall defense, but
I was just saying that if we had to trade one, I would trade away the older player with more market value, higher salary and comparable offensive stats. With Kots and Milton Bradley both being very capable defensive CFs, our OF is still quite good, even with Kielty out there.

Now, I don't know if Beane trades either, and I'm not advocating this.  In fact, I think that unless Beane gets a deal that he can't refuse from a team he doesn't mind giving a solid player to, he doesn't trade either guy and keeps the current depth.  Our lineup is great right now, so I stand pat if I'm Beane.  But if he does trade one, I think it should be Payton.

"...and in Joe [Blanton]'s case, it's almost like he crammed the whole rookie year in a month, then became a veteran." --Billy Beane

by rungood on Jan 25, 2006 3:33 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You also forgot
That Kielty is a switch hitter only in theory.  He's a switch-hitter from the right side and a switch-misser from the left.  Or, he's a switch hitter like Frank Thomas is a first baseman.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Jan 25, 2006 3:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

If Kots and MB get hurt at the same time.....
well f-it, cuz Payton is not going to save us anymore than Kielty can't save us. I don't know if that makes sense, but you catch my drift.
"Don't you play the flute, Huddy?"

by capper3 on Jan 25, 2006 3:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

definetly catch your drift
we're screwed if they both go down.  I was thinking more along the line of potential nagging day to day type injuries.  
Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Jan 25, 2006 6:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree Capt.
Kotsay  has the same back problem that he had last year. he will prolly miss many games. He needs back-ups !

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 25, 2006 7:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

wow
i'm almost giddy about this, this is the year we make a run, a serious run
ohio roots

by nickatt7 on Jan 25, 2006 3:08 PM PST   0 recs

If Frank gets 400 At-Bats in 2006
I'll be giddy, too.

150 ABs, and I'll just be woozy.

by Mission1929 on Jan 25, 2006 4:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Frank Thomas is eleventh all time in OPS
You forgot about Pujols (he has over 3,000 PAs now)

by SuperDingus on Jan 25, 2006 3:11 PM PST   0 recs

Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes!

by IMissMiggy on Jan 25, 2006 3:12 PM PST   0 recs

Intimidating...
I can't remember the last time we had an intimidating lineup..maybe Miggy's last year? Hope he stays healthy, the rest of the team stays healthy, hope the "kids" have great sophomore seasons, hope we can fill up the ballpark to cheer this team all the way to deep October!
Go A's!!
"Listen, my attitude is a whole lot better when we win..." Our favorite GM

by LongTimeFan on Jan 25, 2006 3:25 PM PST   0 recs

Another aspect of this signing
If he has a great '05 campaign we also have a shot at getting a first round pick for him when he walks.
"May our feet be swift. May our bats be mighty. And may our balls be...plentiful."

by nothinlikethetown on Jan 25, 2006 3:33 PM PST   0 recs

Hatte is gone.
So...Billy hearts Hurt?
Thomas and A's GM Billy Beane spoke at length at the winter meetings in December and, Tellem said, "Frank really clicked with Billy. He felt comfortable with him. That only reaffirmed Oakland as his No. 1 choice. Obviously, they share the same hitting philosphy."
By all accounts, the two were very impressed with each other. It's a match made in heaven, I think.
"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Jan 25, 2006 3:34 PM PST   0 recs

awww
Definitely a perfect match. And you can see how anxious both sides were to get the deal done:
  • Beane signed the contract even though Thomas still doesn't have medical clearance to play, apparently worried that someone else would tempt Thomas with a bigger offer once that happened
  • Thomas, for his part, was willing to give up a shot at that bigger contract, instead taking almost no guaranteed money to come to a team that values his approach and has a good chance to win.
Bright moments!

by andeux on Jan 25, 2006 3:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh no!
Now Hatty and Frank Thomas are gonna have a catfight for Billy's love. :-(
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Jan 25, 2006 10:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I love this move
Even before the A's traded for (and since then) I've been saying the A's would sign Thomas.  This is a perfect example of a low risk / high benefit move.  I wouldn't be surprised if Payton was moved, but at the same time he could stay...I think Swisher and Johnson are going to play pretty much every day at RF and 1B with Thomas at DH and this leaves Payton the odd man out.  Kielty has pretty much always been a bench player and I suspect we'll keep him plus Beane loves him.  My lineup would be:

Kendall C
Kotsay CF
Chavez 3B
Thomas DH
Bradley LF
Crosby SS
Swisher RF
Johnson 1B
Ellis 2B

Ellis and Kendall could be switched, but I really think Chavez needs to bat in front of Thomas whether Thomas is 4th or 5th...i.e.

  1. Bradley
  2. Chavez
  3. Thomas
But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Jan 25, 2006 3:37 PM PST   0 recs

Chavez will have a legitimate
power threat behind him for the first time in a while.  I expect him to have his best pro season ever, despite the supposed myth of protection.

by Blez on Jan 25, 2006 3:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

god i love the look of that.
it dosnt seem real yet but the best things in life never do.

i think i prefer Ellis because he shined in the leadoff spot last year and Kendal pulling up the rear because his AVG with reunners in scoring possition was freekn' sweet last year..... and i dont think it unreasonable, with there power, to expect Swish and DJ to make it to second.  

oh man im exited.

"Baseball is simple. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. sometimes you win. some times you loose. some times it rains." -Bull Durham

by DC on Jan 25, 2006 5:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs