This guy is starting to bug me...
I've never had a bad word for Chavvy... through all his poor starts... through all his "foot-in-mouth" comments, but does this guy get the fact that he's the leader of a team battling for first place in the division? You tell me (from Urban's Mailbag):
[Urban]
Do I think the A's have closed the talent gap? Yes. Particularly in the bullpen. Honestly, I had no idea Jay Witasick was as good as he's been, and I'm now among the converted regarding Joe Kennedy's value. In fact, I think the A's bullpen is now as good, if not better, than the Angels'. And I now think Oakland's rotation is far superior to the Angels', and that's where you win most of your games.
[And, now, Chavvy...]
It's interesting to note, though, that Eric Chavez disagrees with me. I asked him about the talent gap last week in Minneapolis, and he was quick to respond. "I'll never say we have more talent than them," he said. "They're just so solid. Top to bottom, they've got more talent, hands down. They should win the division, if you ask me."
Okay... humility? Maybe. Not wanting to jinx the team? Maybe. But, I'm tired of it. Geez, grow a pair of balls, Eric! Or, quit campaigning to become a friggin' Angel! Is Urban smarter than Chavez? Only marginally, since even Urban still picks the Angels to win the division in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Funny thing is, it's never really mattered. Chavvy would concede the division year after year and we'd still win it. It doesn't really bug me that much anymore.
What Bugs me is that he didn't post the rest
That doesn't mean Chavez was ruling the A's out, mind you. He was just being himself -- brutally honest. He also noted that the A's are playing better baseball than the Angels and that talent didn't clinch anything.
by theblackpearl on Aug 9, 2005 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I know what you mean
Yeah...
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 8, 2005 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted I do not know!
Byrnes is doing what I expected and frankly that is not very good. I just had no idea Kotsay would be 100 points below his career OPS v Righties... and however you knew that more power to you.
you're starting to sound like Chavez...
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 8, 2005 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
he's lowballing it
He just doesn't want to give the Angels any bulletin board material.
I don't care...
Then, go out and kick the shit out of 'em!
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 8, 2005 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 9, 2005 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
chavvy being chavvy
Holy Crap.
And remember, Chavy was also one of the guys who said in 2002-2003 that the A's were a better team than the Angels (Zito was the other one, I believe). Based on the team records in 2002, and the fact that we owned them in head-to-head play, he was right.
He's honest. It's not a character flaw to be honest. He's showing respect to the other team's talent. Get over it. Would you rather he say, "The Angels are the worst team in the majors"? Because that just sounds completely idiotic.
by Inquisitor on Aug 8, 2005 11:52 PM PDT reply actions
He doesn't have to say...
All he has to say is: "The way we're playing, right now, I think will cut through them like a hot knife through butter. Do they have more talent? Who cares, we're still going to roll over them." Or, something like that.
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 8, 2005 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
"will cut" = "we'll cut" ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 9, 2005 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea...and make every sports newscast...
by OaktownPower on Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we copy all of that
I'm with you on this, Inquisitor.
Couldnt disagree more...
Well done Chavy....Brains.
if you "know" you're destined...
why pretend you don't know it? Did you ever see Ali in his prime, Namath in the Super Bowl... the Raiders in the 70's... Swisher as a rookie?
It's called swagger... and, Chavez should get himself a dose!
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 9, 2005 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
how soon we forget
where was the criticism of crosby then (not that i think he deserves it)? or is crosby above criticism?
where was the praise for chavez?
honestly, who cares? as long as they keep playing well, i sure don't...
in fact, maybe chavez is the smart one here, saying the a's will keep it up when he's asked for a general statement about the team, but praising the angels when he's asked to compare the two teams.
the angels are totally demoralized (go over to halosheaven sometime) already, what would pissing them off accomplish??
the people who want chavez to do that are probaby the same ones who wanted him to punch a gatorade container in may.
So, you think he's chuckling to himself...
by FoolshGame22 on Aug 9, 2005 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
you must not be too familiar with the history
historically teams get a lot more pissed off when their opponents do the namath thing, although it worked for joe.
it's important to be careful when speaking to the media, you don't want to do a tracy mcgrady and say how happy you are to be going to the second round of the playoffs when your team is up 3-0.
either way, we'll see...
I don't think it matters, either way...
Why?
On the flip side of the argument...
But to say, "They've got more talent, hands down." Is that really fair to his own team? He hasn't even seen half of what the A's are capable of - hello, we're still in uncharted territory here. I understand where he's coming from and that he's 'saying the right thing' and as a result, he'll never be a hated player. And maybe he really is that smart and he's using a bit of reverse psychology on the Angels - if he's saying they're that good, how are they supposed to respond? They can't come back and say the A's suck, that would make them look like bullies!
But what irks me just a tiny, tiny bit is that he comes off as not having full confidence in his team. Whether it's just the way he was quoted or if he really believes the Angels have more talent and should win the division, it's not going to hurt to stand up a bit for your own squad. Your team looks up to you, Chavez dear. Show them that you believe in them.
and, of course, Melody...
Let's grin and bear it...
by BleacherDrummer on Aug 9, 2005 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
And I have a very hideous carbuncle on my noggin
by kaweahkaweah on Aug 9, 2005 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep, riled up
Anyway, maybe people like me who relate to this diary should've done what Chavy could have: kept quiet.
But lighten up dudes - We're all A's fans and no one's saying Chavy's not our guy. His honesty just sounds like pessimism sometimes. Especially when we're on a roll and it doesn't seem necessary. Urban only asked him an innocent question. It's not like he asked: "Do you think the A's are the Angels daddy?" (I hope so).
And I'm glad most people on this blog don't read into it too much. You all are right that the rational thing to do is take it as Chavy being Chavy and enjoy the A's solid play on the field.
by BleacherDrummer on Aug 9, 2005 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't mean to be heavy
Perhaps
When the A's took over the wild card lead wasn't it Chavez who said that they weren't even thinking about the WC because they had their eyes on the division.
Good Point
by BleacherDrummer on Aug 9, 2005 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
middle-of-the-road
In other words, I don't agree with you that we should woof, but Chavez's comment smacks of "reverse Woofing," just as bad as woofing, really. They've got more talent, hands down? That's not even believable--the Woofing Gods will not be fooled. Chavy's comment will no doubt hurt us when the Woofing Gods tally up all the relevant Woofs and then determine the outcome of the games upcoming.
ha ha...
chavvy learned a hard lesson
and there you go
This is one of those many cases...
I love Chavy.
I'd like to add
They're wrong. These two teams are at least comparable. But I think Chavy and just about everyone else thinks that talent=experience. Have you been there? Have you done that? When you hear former players talk about who they think will win it all, it's always the more experienced teams. A young team with unknown players are going to be...unknown.
Take, for instance what Tejada has to say:
"Oakland's going to have a tough time with those guys," said Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada, who played for the A's until 2004. "This team (the Angels) is a great team. They can run, hit, hit with power and pitch. They have everything."
They don't have everything They don't hit for much power. The A's are definitely better on offense.
These players watch ESPN. That's where they get their information. Need I say more?
A young team IS going to be unknown. :(
Chavvy
by OaktownTribesman on Aug 9, 2005 5:47 AM PDT reply actions
Really...
What more can you ask for? So what if he doesn't fit your typical mold of what a "leader" should and shouldn't do. All that matters is that he has the respect of his peers, because they're the ones he is supposed to be "leading" (and I use the word in quotation marks because really, once you hit the major leagues, you shouldn't need someone to stand there and hold your hand like it's the freaking third grade anymore).
"OMG CHAVY SAID HE THINKS THE ANGELS ARE A BETTER TEAM OMG ITS THE END OF THE WORLD CUZ I THINK HE SHOULD BE A LEADER AND HE IS SAYING THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK A LEADER SHOULD SAY EVEN THO ALL HIS TEAMMATES SAY HE'S A GOOD LEADER AND THEY'VE BEEN KICKING ASS SINCE HE TOLD US NOT TO BE SATISIFIED WITH LOSING!!!"
Chavy is just being honest. That's who he is. That's why the media loves getting quotes from him, because they know they won't get the normal platitudes that everyone else spouts off. For the record, Chavy also said that the he thought the Yankees were done a few years ago and, as I pointed out, that the A's were a much better team than the Angels in 2002. Anyone remember the Hideo Nomo comment? "Worst stuff I've ever seen." And yet, somehow, the team was shut down by that same pitcher. Does it make sense to say that a pitcher has crappy stuff when he's just made your team look like a bunch of infants with twigs? No. But that's what he says, because that's what he thinks.
It's time for people to stop holding it against him just because he's being honest. This is the same stuff that annoys me about politics - everyone gets their panties in a bunch because politicians do or say stupid things every once in a while, but ignore the larger issues at hand. Well gee, politicians are human. If you come in expecting them to be perfect, then I hate to break it to you, but you're asking to be a sucker.
by Inquisitor on Aug 9, 2005 6:42 AM PDT reply actions
excellent post
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I'm guessing FoolshGame22 thinks that it was Eric Byrnes's hustle and heart that were propelling this team.
Of course
lol
It's not funny...it's...it's not fun.
What's important
no one's going to be lulled into overconfidence
I think he truly may not know ...
I think these are questions the young guys must be asking themselves right now. They've never really been at this hallowed level before, and they are probably pinching themselves to find out if they are for real. They've always been much better than the competition in all levels they have ever played, and they've got to be thinking that maybe they still are. It was supposed to be that way for Chavy, but as good as he is, he's maybe not the superstar that he was expected to be. So maybe his take on the talent chasm is a little jaded, influenced by his own shortcomings. But maybe these young guys really are that good, and they have been shown no reason to make them believe otherwise.
If the A's take it to the Angels this week, will Chavy have a different assessmeent of the relative talent levels? Will the whole team believe they are superior, and not just hot?

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