Furious Phone Calls
The speculation that Daric Barton is arriving soon is growing. So, I've spent the past hour or so trying to reach anyone to talk about it.
Needless to say, I've figured out why Barton isn't in the lineup tonight. The A's reportedly want to give Barton a couple of nights off to make sure he is well-rested. Well-rested for what, you ask? That's open to speculation because I never got a definite answer. But I would guess that it means that Daric could be joining the A's soon for the stretch run. He may still be a September call-up, but I also know that the team has been trying to work him in the outfield to get him used to that position.
Barton would like to both play in the field and bat, but if it means he gets a shot at DH, he'd do it in a heartbeat. Regardless, this team could use an infusion of something...and soon.
As for the game tonight, the A's offense just looks like it has completely run out of energy. The 0-8 at the top of the lineup is dreadful. Our pitching continues to be a strength, even with former Athletic Carlos Pena coming back to haunt the team.
Even though the present is rough, the very near future could be very interesting. Stay tuned.
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bad news everywhere tonight
The Skanks rally in the 9th to win;
The Indians win a close one;
The Angels almost blow a game to Miguel Tejada and the Orioles but they hang on.
And our boys are moribund in Motown.
But.....
Daric barton and kevin Mellilo could be on the way.
If so, all I can say is that Billy Beane has the heart of a lion and he's as fierce.
No quit in him-- he knows all his current options are unsatisfactory so he's rolling the proverbial dice. Go get 'em, Billy!
I blame this guy!

Taken from Camden Yards tonight during the Orioles' loss to the Angels
Typical Byrnes tonight. 3-4 with an error in the outfield! And Tejada's 2 outs, bottom of the 9th grand slam was awesome, but too little too late!
Argggh devil devil
I swear I had the only A's cap in the stadium
Each of the Baltimore fans I talked to didn't seem interested in returning Tejada to the A's. Can't figure that one out.
Question
Depends
by IndianaAsfan on Aug 24, 2005 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Melillo enters game as PH in Midland
Umm, Blez?
"Needless to say, I've figured out why Barton isn't in the lineup tonight."
What exactly does this mean? Did you dream up the explanation yourself that he needs rest for a September call-up, or were you told this by one of your "contacts" (Urban, Slusser, BB himself)? So I wouldn't really call that "needless to say" seeing as how confused I am.
"Barton isn't a big fan of being a DH, but if it means he gets a shot, I'm sure he'd do it in a heartbeat."
Since when are we letting players decide which position their future is at? Barton may not like to DH, but he has no plus defensive position. As I noted in blee1134's diary, it could be that the A's intentionally put him at DH as it would keep his long-term cost down in arbitration and beyond -- just as we're currently doing with Justin Duchscherer (no starts, few saves = low cost).
Call up Barton right now and let him drive a couple Bonderman fastballs into the left-centerfield gap tomorrow.
Ok
That said, unless it's from BB himself, I think it sounds like a cop-out answer from someone who didn't really know what was going on ("Oh, Barton's not in the line-up tonight? Yeah, that's because I heard they're resting him." Umm... so the reason he's out of the line-up is because they're resting him?? Genius!! Why didn't I think of that?)
No, Barton was told
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 23, 2005 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That is the problem
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
kendall says he wanted to bat 2nd
by burnone on Aug 24, 2005 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
[I wouldn't be surprised
Stop the stupid rumors!!!
Oakland is not in the near future.
Sorry to be pissy I will no longer respond to these ridiculous rumors.
Wow..angry much?
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They had an off day yesterday
BACK TO BACK days off is very common
by novaoakland on Aug 23, 2005 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Nova
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 23, 2005 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
haha..
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Since it hasn't been said
Thanks for trying to find out what's going on as the plot thickens...
Thanks for saying that Sal
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 23, 2005 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Word
So thanks Blez. It is indeed very telling to know that Barton was kept out multiple days so he'd be well rested.
by BleacherDrummer on Aug 24, 2005 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree
by burnone on Aug 24, 2005 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Stupid rumors are stupid rumors
IF I see them I will point them out.
by novaoakland on Aug 23, 2005 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha...you are pure comedy.
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey bud
And don't call them ridiculous rumors. If anything, you are being ridiculously illogical. Someone hitting for a .950 OPS in Midland with that type of BB:K ratio is going to be able to hit for an .800-.825 OPS in the major leagues right now. It's still baseball, it's the same game. We have years and years of historical data that allow us to forecast hitters' performance in the major leagues based on results in the minors, right down to the park factors and level of pitching for a league in a particular year. These things are remarkably consistent and have been analyzed going back 50+ years.
Now, that .800 OPS estimate is just a best guess, an expected value. Certainly, with someone who's just barely 20 years old, there will be more variance to the estimate -- but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't give him a shot right now.
I guess I will not be proven right unitl
He will not be called up this year and he will not start 2006 in the majors!!!!!
by novaoakland on Aug 23, 2005 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
.825 OBS?
by Little Lebowski Urban Achievers on Aug 23, 2005 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
i was at the game tonight
at the game tonight tho... i was fortunate enough to meet Kotsay and Sarloos during BP and they were really nice! and i almost caught pena's first homer in the 4th...
but the FUNNIEST part of the night was when swisher went to go visit one of his friends and his kid on the right field line and when people started running over to get his autograph he basically ran away and said to us all:
"Sorry, I have to go take a drug test."
that might have been the funniest thing ive heard in a while, and even tho he didnt sign for us...it made me laugh and made the A's loss a little easier to take.
Lets go GVSU!
by Alisa on Aug 23, 2005 7:53 PM PDT reply actions
Haha....He wasnt lying either.
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
holy crap
he was messing around with everyone tonight...especially the fans in the front row in right field -- they were getting on him about not giving them the ball he was warming up with...
im hoping i can sneak down to those seats tomorrow or thursday... ;)
Lets go GVSU!
by Alisa on Aug 23, 2005 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha..yep, he was serious.
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
oh crap...
by guy incognito on Aug 23, 2005 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Where do you think all his power is coming from?
I doubt it
hopefully...
Lets go GVSU!
by Alisa on Aug 23, 2005 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
silver linings
- No one was killed in the production of that puke-fest.
- If Haren could take back one pitch, then that would have been a very well pitched game. Still would have lost, of course.
- Reinforcements on the way? The whole team looks depressed.
- Flowers are pretty.
- Sorry, I got nuthin.
Check your email
10Q
brute force, my friend
That's not brute force...
Red Meat?
hmm.
by Genaro on Aug 23, 2005 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
we are only
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 24, 2005 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Macha Comments on September Callups
Callup talk: Macha said he hasn't discussed September callups with general manager Billy Beane, but he does have a few ideas for augmenting the roster when it becomes expandable.
Right-hander Juan Cruz, who was 4-1 with a 2.81 ERA as a starter for Triple-A Sacramento through Monday, was mentioned, as was outfielder Charles Thomas, who, Macha said, "could contribute with his [speed] and defense in the outfield."
Utilityman Jermaine Clark, one of the fastest players on the River Cats, is also an option. Clark can play all three outfield positions and three infield positions.
"He'd be a nice guy to stick in there, too," Macha said.
Macha added that he'd like to see the A's bring up another catcher, to give him the flexibility to use Jason Kendall and Adam Melhuse in the lineup at the same time more often, but he didn't mention anyone by name. Sacramento's catchers are John Baker, who was batting .233 in 326 at-bats through Monday, and Tom Gregorio, a .320 hitter in 75 at-bats.
Another option at catcher could be Alberto Castillo, who was signed to a Minor League contract Monday night. Castillo is a .222 career hitter who has played for the Mets, Yankees, Cardinals, Giants and Royals. Castillo appeared in 34 games for Kansas City this season before being released Aug. 5.
It shows you how stupid Macha is
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Macha is not stupid
And there's one other small problem with Melhuse: he's not very good. His OPS this season is .662, and his career OPS is .728. That is not every day DH material. And people say Hatteberg doesn't deserve the job?
Since the other options at DH aren't fantastic either, I'm all in favor of giving Melhuse a chance once in a while to keep his swing together. But he's hardly the solution to our DH problem.
by matthias on Aug 23, 2005 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
finally
by burnone on Aug 24, 2005 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
It's interesting that when the game is on,
Somehow, they must feel Macha either doesn't deserve credit for steering a young, once last place team back into contention. Or they can't appreciate the job Macha did to enable the team to go 40-50; correspondingly, Macha--in their cranium-challenged brains--must be strung up for this recent downturn.
And, of course, a position player must also be singled out. In May, it was Chavvy. Now it's Kendall. Pray tell, who--along with with Curt Young--took the two young starters Haren and Blanton, and guided them to remarkable achievements this early in their career? And who, along with Young, helped turn Barry Zito's career around? Who helped make Kirk Saarloos one of baseball's best 5th starter? Who turned 22 year old Huston Street into a possible Rookie of the Year and a possible premier closer? Etc., etc.
No, as in politics when people project their own sense of futility in life onto someone else, in baseball too scapegoats must be found. Alas, analysis and logic require too many neurons...
by reztips on Aug 23, 2005 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
That's one of your best comments ever
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 23, 2005 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagreement
If you just don't like hearing the same critiques over and over again, or if you think they're overly biased or substantively lacking, then why not just point it out on those specific diaries? Or say so without so much judgement. I know I've made plenty of statistics-based critiques of Kendall. I think they've been valid. And no, I don't post during or after every game. If some posts seemed like political scapegoating to you I doubt they were intended that way. I also didn't think this site was built on the tenets of "1984".
So to chalk all of the cynicism swirling around of late up to "a whole different genre of posters" who "project their own sense of futility in life onto someone else", and who lack the neurons for "analysis and logic" alienates those posters who don't feel like established "regulars" of this site, but still might have something to contribute. Thoughtful questioning of the "status quo" is a unique part of this site that is lacking in other media outlets.
Maybe you didn't mean to be that incendiary. But mass-labeling to anyone as having "cranium-challenged brains", whether it's toward a group or an individual seems contrary to the AN community guidelines. And I don't think your post warrants approval from our administrator.
by BleacherDrummer on Aug 24, 2005 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Rez....
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
After reading that,
Whoa, before you go off the philosophical deep-end
Crosby came back and was instantly inserted into the third spot, deplacing Chavez, whom Macha said he would NOT move. According to Ken, he didn't "see how it(moving players in a lineup) could make a difference."
Now?
To say Macha had a great impact on this team is a slap in the face to what Chavez, Crosby, and Johnson did.
And as for Kendall? Yeah, his salary went UP this year and his performance went DOWN. Oh, he's also the top moneymaker on this team for 05.
Some Scapegoat he is. For shame for some fans to expect him to perform to his normal levels.
by Genaro on Aug 23, 2005 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Fan's reactions...
First though, it is the nature of the fan to react harshly towards players or persons (see Bartman) it perceives as the downfall of their teams. I think it is a bit elitist to simply disregard what they are yelling about without at least 1. understanding that the gripes will be exaggerated during times like these and 2. trying to logically discredit what they are saying.
Now I'm not saying you haven't logically challenged their reasonings behind the A's downfall, but I also think we need to let the venting take place as if we are NOT robots.
Yes
Let's not confuse the roles.
by matthias on Aug 23, 2005 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Think about playing against your friends and or family in a game. "You're a bum!" during the game, but afterwards, it's only a game.
Since as fans we suffer no monetary consequence (gamblers excluded... their own hell) why not rise and fall with the tides and fortunes?
by Ducts on the Pawn on Aug 23, 2005 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The biggest sin . . . .
See:
Or at least that's what we could see this fall.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Aug 24, 2005 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Not Macha, that's for sure
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
re
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 23, 2005 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
great post rez
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 24, 2005 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
AthleticsNation has gone back
At the same time, an Orange level alert.
So Watch out!!
Well where is all the love for Macha?
I really think he is just a lump who is nither responsible for wins or loses and will be replaced by a cheaper Manager next season.
by novaoakland on Aug 23, 2005 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, check Macha
by AlBowe on Aug 23, 2005 9:12 PM PDT reply actions
I agree, change something
Nothing is constant, and everyone says the MLB game is a "game of adjustments". So why not be constantly adjusting? If you tell the players in March "I'll be moving people around if we win ten in a row, and I'll be moving people up and down if we lose eight in a row, or go .500 for 20 games..." then you don't have to show a change in philosophy.
by Ducts on the Pawn on Aug 23, 2005 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Macha's comments on the callups
Of course I could be reading entirely too much into this.
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on Aug 23, 2005 9:17 PM PDT reply actions
Macha says no Barton.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/08/24/ASREPORT.TMP&type=as
Was just about to post this!
by rookieoftheyear on Aug 23, 2005 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Revenge of the castoffs
Did anyone else notice that huge chip on Pena's shoulder? Remember 2002 and the Carlos Pena Fan Club sign? I think it was in the right field bleachers? Was it 2002? Pena was roommates for all of 2 months with Chavy, Mulder, Ellis and Venafro in the fabled Lafayette house. Time flies...
There's something about players who get traded and play against the team that traded them -- they have Something To Prove. Pena with his 2 homers, mutter, mutter. What will Bonderman inflict on us tomorrow?
by BillybUcko on Aug 23, 2005 9:20 PM PDT reply actions
Since we are scoring 1 run a game
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
okay
- what can you show me that says Melhuse playing every day is better than Kendall. Especially considering that every A's pitcher (Street in particular) credits Kendall with their success
- Who do YOU put in the three spot and why? Note that Crosby is one of the only A's players who has hit consistently over the last week.
- We all know this lineup leaves quite a bit to be desired. So what would you do that is better than what Ken Macha is doing right now?
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 23, 2005 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Macha did mention Barton
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/08/24/ASREPORT.TMP&type=as
"According to Macha, Daric Barton won't be called up from Double-A Midland when rosters expand. He's only 20 and there's too big a gap between Double-A pitching and the big leagues."
Of course, since the mlb.com article says Macha hasn't even discussed callups with Beane, how can he be sure?
by matthias on Aug 23, 2005 9:20 PM PDT reply actions
Thank you Sharon
by novaoakland on Aug 23, 2005 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
No thanks needed.
Frankly, I enjoy the discussion going on about Barton. I find none of it exhausting, and I think it's rather interesting.
In the original game thread, I was the first one to bring up Barton's absence in the lineup and jokingly mentioned the idea that he may be called up.
So maybe now, in your frustration with this rumor and my possible involvement in it, that "thank you" is shrinking.
You really are a piece of work tonight.
by OaktownPower on Aug 23, 2005 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
All you need to know about Macha
Barton is only 20, and double A is easier than the majors. Really??? Gee, I didn't know that.
As I understand Macha, Thomas can steal first which will help us generate runs. And Florida has to sit down Cabrera because he is too young to hit major league pitching. Makes sense to me.
Let me see, Kaline was 19,. Mantle was 20 when they got called up, thank God their manager wasn't Macha.
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A Manager Must Be A Diplomat
To those who cite the return of Crosby and the call up of DJ for the A's going on their incredible run after the May debacle, sure those players and others should get credit. But many a young team, faced with early season loses, has run up the white flag and written off the season. It takes a patient and exceptional leadership of young men to keep their "daubers" up and Macha did an extraordinary job in doing just that...
by reztips on Aug 23, 2005 9:31 PM PDT reply actions
Macha has done a terrific job this year
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 23, 2005 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You know how close
It's quite amazing actually.
by Hit4TheCycle on Aug 23, 2005 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
How about recognizing that
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
you know
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 23, 2005 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy
by Ducts on the Pawn on Aug 23, 2005 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
and Haren as the DH? ;)
Bleachers...
Shh...
Maybe it's just a matter of personal taste, I dunno. In some parts of the third deck you get a pretty nice bird's eye view. of the action. But once you move past the infield, the seats = major suckage. Actually I'd like to know the answer to this question too, why ARE bleacher tickets so reasonably priced, and who in their right minds would want to sit in 330?!
re
That game went
nice
Let me add my thanks, Blez
I'm glad I have AN to turn to whether the A's are soaring or scraping.
Freddie
by JaKoPo on Aug 23, 2005 10:26 PM PDT reply actions
thank you, thank you
by china bob on Aug 23, 2005 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Patience, A's fans!!
Not that I don't understand the impulse to panic, because this offensive slump looks JUST LIKE the one we went through in May, and we're losing practically a game a day to everyone else in the playoff chase. Still, we can get away with losing some games now, and hopefully September is to August what June was to May, if you know what I mean.
I know, everybody needs to CHILL
by LLawbug on Aug 23, 2005 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I've defended Macha
But while panic and constant change is the worst possible reaction to problems, there is also a lot to be said for the saying, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
So when to "stay the course" and when to "make adjustments"? When you have it right and it's not working, stay the course, things will come around. When you have it wrong and that's why it's not working, make adjustments rather than being stubborn.
Kendall isn't a top of the order hitter and never really has been throughout the year, in that even when his bloops are falling he is an extraordinarily low SLG guy whose OBP comes from things like HBP and hits that don't even advance runners from 1st to 3rd (because he is played so shallow). Batting 9th he'd be an excellent "double leadoff" guy and batting 7th he'd get his share of RISP opportunities where singles would be helpful. He is important to have in the lineup for his presence with the pitchers, but that doesn't mean he has to kill the top of the order. To keep him 1, 2, and (come ON) 3 in the order was never right, and the refusal to fix this is grounds for criticism.
As long as Crosby continues to overswing, he will not be an asset in the 3-hole. They either need to get him to change, sit him, or put him in a spot with less at stake. A top of the order with Ellis, Swisher, and Johnson, for example, would make a lot more sense than a top of the order of Kendall, Kotsay, and Crosby, who should probably be the 7-6-5.
Melhuse isn't a great player but when your team lacks power, get your power-potential hitter in there when he's hot. Don't sit him for a week right when he's locked in and start guys who lack power when healthy and aren't healthy.
Finally, the disuse of Yabu and Ginter, combined with the disuse of Melhuse, has left the A's playing with a 22-man roster with 3 players (that's 12% of the roster) who are not ready to contribute when needed.
Macha was outstanding at keeping a young team focused in May when they couldn't win no matter what they tried, and he was at his best--doing nothing--in June and July, when it would have been absurd to make any changes.
IMO, he has not been outstanding in August, when changes WOULD be helpful and not the result of any panic. Rather, they would be the result of doing now what should have been done long ago. But he is waiting for what, exactly?
Fine post
Would it upset the team? It is only when you -change- your M.O. that people/players get upset.
You don't have to resort to "names in a hat". That is just a ploy to make "agents of change" look diminished. But a constant "float" of positions in the lineup would help everyone, IMO. Avoid cause and effect appearances (e.g. Crosby GIDP twice, moves to 8th next day).
by Ducts on the Pawn on Aug 23, 2005 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
So you propose
Swisher
Johnson
Chavez
Crosby
Kotsay
Kendall
Payton
DH?
The thing I like about this is that there is some sort of power potential in each third of the order.
On Sunday, for instance, it should have been a good thing that our 1-2-3 guys were up in the bottom of the twelfth. Instead, I almost wished it was a lower part of the order--because of the potential to hit a home run.
The good thing about DJ up that high is that he always seem to drive runs in when he needs to. Tonight, for instance, he had a horrible at bat yet still managed to drive in Crosby.
The other option would be to bat Crosby second and move Swisher down into a better RBI position.
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 23, 2005 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
When sometimes change is for the better...
When "In Billy We Trust" goes hand in hand with being as efficient as possible (and our lineup right now is not efficient)...
When being on the cutting edge means all options are considered and nothing is forever (not Hudson, not Mulder)...
...It means strong rational critiques like this one deserve discussion.
Even if it doesn't feel good. And believe me the past three series have hurt me as much as anyone.
Let's make a pennant run.
by BleacherDrummer on Aug 23, 2005 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Absitively...
Macha's done fine, in my opinion, but I wish he'd be more flexible and respond to change (Crosby slumping, etc.) and adapt in shape to fit the situation, like water.
Yeah...flow like water. Not a brick wall. :)
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Aug 24, 2005 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I am going on a new campaign
Seriously. Everytime I read something, someone is saying something bad about Bobby. How he can't hit, or how he should be moved down in the order. Or, for heaven's sake, he has terrible defense, which is just insane.
Now lets look at something, shall we. Tonight, we had 2 hits, 2! One was hit by who? BOBBY! We had one Run, scored by who? BOBBY! Once again, like on last Monday, the only GOOD we had through the night was because of Bobby! I know he is "slumping" but really, who isn't on this team right now? When you look at the last week or so, who is doing good compared to the rest, hmmm, oh that's right, BOBBY!
So I am here to say, lets please STOP the Bobby Bashing! Thank you for your support!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Aug 23, 2005 11:18 PM PDT reply actions
I think
Obviously, the whole team is slumping. I think my biggest concern has been just how plain awful he looks at the plate lately. Where as some players are still hitting the ball hard or having some good at bats, Bobby has just looked clueless and overmatched at the plate. It seems like his timing (or as he has said, his hand speed) is off, he's too far off the plate, he's getting no where near balls, his footing seems off, etc. He looks uncomfortable and has a lot of terrible at bats.
So while I think his defense is great and he's obviously great for the team, maybe batting 3rd isn't the right spot in the order for him right now. I think he just needs to make a few adjustments, get his swing back, and have some good at bats. Nothing against him at all, just my personal opinion.
by rookieoftheyear on Aug 23, 2005 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing against him....
and unless the top of the order can get on, Crosby is only gonna look worse, and the A's aren't going to score.
Macha needs to shake up the line up. the boys need to fight. and the fire needs to come back. the pitchers still have it.
by OaklandSyd on Aug 23, 2005 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point!
by rookieoftheyear on Aug 23, 2005 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ain't that the truth!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Aug 23, 2005 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Crosby
Hear hear!!
So what if Crosby "looks" bad at the plate? How many people on this site have jobs in baseball or are scouts? I thought A's fans were supposed to appreciate stats...
Looking at the stats, as of today, Crosby has the third best OPS on the A's for this season. Does that mean nothing to you naysayers??
As to the people who say he doesn't get on base, well, wrong again. He has the fourth best OBP on the team for this season. I think somebody said Swisher gets on base better. Actually, Crosby's OBP is .352 and Swisher's is .324. Hmmmm...is it opposite day or what?
And really, folks, lineup isn't all that important anyway in the American League. Everyone's supposed to get hits.
his terrific June is responsible
I said he is slumping...
so what's your point? he's better than both Kendall and Kotsay in both OBP and OPS since the break...
You know...
At least with the A's slumping badly now, they still have time to redeem themselves.
by secret ASian man on Aug 24, 2005 12:12 AM PDT reply actions
Idiot.
I think that's BS, RTD--
I mentioned in S to S yesterday:
I actually think that Macha seeing a need for speed is the best thing he has said this year!!!
"Macha Knows Best" ;)
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
don't be silly
by burnone on Aug 24, 2005 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Macha criticisms
-Mark Ellis has a .370 OBP and a .414 SLG. Kendall: .344 OBP and .310 (!!!) SLG.
-Swisher's OBP is only slightly higher than Kotsay's but he's slugging almost 70 points higher.
-DJ has a .393 OBP, .504 SLG and 4 more HR than Crosby.
What are Ellis, Swish, and DJ not doing hitting in front of our #1 offensive guy in a time we're struggling for runs?
Let's remember something about the lineup earlier in the year: Kendall and Kotsay had to slip a suggested lineup under Macha's door because he had steadfastly put out a lineup that almost everyone here was criticizing. Were the players being unfair to Macha or brainless when they suggested a different lineup to the one he designed?
Were the players wrong to assume a different lineup may change the offense a little? It seems illogical to assume it won't make any difference if you don't try it. Nobody is talking about benching anyone. Give Kendall or Crosby a day or two of rest if necessary. Of course Kendall/Kots/Croz should work through their slumps, but it would be nice if they weren't working through them 1-2-3 in front of Chavez.
It may not make a huge difference, but it's worth a try. I find it hard to believe it could make anything worse, and I think that criticism of Macha in this regard is legitimate.
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 2:10 AM PDT reply actions
Let's not forget
Same deal with Kotsay/Kendall. Even the two players' plea to correct a mistake was ignored for over a week. Then the switch was made and both players took off, as did the rest of the team--injured players returning had a lot to do with that, too, but Kendall's surge coincided with his move to a more comfortable spot in the order.
Shakeups to "try anything" look like panic because they are. Correcting mistakes and putting people where they belong can fuel a turnaround--if only because it creates a "starting over" point psychologically. Is the team "hitting .012 in its last 9 games" or is it "0-0 with Ellis/Swisher/DJ..."? The offense is pressing right now, expecting failure and having bad ABs they don't normally have.
A "starting over" point, such as Kendall to the bottom third, Ellis to the top third, etc., would benefit this team greatly--psychologically and actually.
I just want to see Payton in the 3 hole...
Asking "Booby" to take over the 3 hole in his second season is quite a leap from past players expectations/development.
My Lineup would be:
Kendall
Swisher
Payton
Chavez
DJ
Crosby
Kotsay
Kielty-DH/Millhouse DH
Ellis
It is only two changes that make sense and still keep the Lh RH balance throughout the line-up.
But, "In Billy We Trust", and "Macha Knows Best"!!! ;)
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The only other one I did think of was just that:
In this line-up Elly is the 2nd lead-off.
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Daric Barton and MLB service time
I think a promotion to Sacramento for the AAA playoffs is more likely.
by fatfrank on Aug 24, 2005 4:36 AM PDT reply actions
I really don't think Barton was part of the A's
The only problem with that was the A's were playing so good for quite some time, a trade didn't seem essential. I wonder if the A's scuffled into the deadline (like we are now) if BB would have made a move for a solid hitter.
I cannot imagine BB expecting the A's to play that well for the rest of season. He had to know we'd see some bumps along the way. Although Payton has had some big hits for us, I for one would have liked to have picked up another right hand bat.
And yes I felt that way when things were going great.
Barton may or may not be called up. I will try my best to avoid speculation on this. Nothing wrong with speculation, but I can see that some of you consider a 20 year old from AA to be the man who will save the 05 A's. While I would love to see it happen, we must try to set reasonable expectations for him.
He's NOT the man who will get us into the playoffs. It rests on the shoulders of the guys who have been there all season long.
Callups
First of all, I think Macha's comments on callups of Charles Thomas & Jermaine Clark are pointless and self-defensive. Thomas cannot contribute and Clark needs to show more production in Sacramento.
Secondly, I don't think our offence can get any worse, than what we have seen for the past couple of weeks. The slump has hit every player on the team, and if nothing is done, it will affect our pitching as well!! It is just a SLUMP, but even though the players are better than this, we need new vibes and a little fresh blod!!
This may come from the much disgussed Midland 2(or 3 or 4) but the problem is that we don't know if they're ready! It is time to take a chance!! It's a zero-solution bringing up Thomas & Clark, and the real ballsy move is to get Barton and Ethier/Melillo here now!!
BUT there is also another option: Lose Ginter now and get Matt Watson back here. Let him play every day in a 4 man outfield platoon with Swish, Kotsay & JayPay, and switch them around as DH (not Kotsay) We can also give Johnson a needed day off (at least in the field) and still have 3 capable outfielders.
I know that Watson hasn't been preforming, but I think that he - given a chance to play every day - is the best option we have right here and now... No pressure, but just go out and hit for power...Swisher style!
My 2 cents...
by anAfromfaraway on Aug 24, 2005 5:35 AM PDT reply actions
All I can say is
Help with stats, please!
Playing Melhuse and Kendall.....no backup catcher?
by AthleticsMojo on Aug 24, 2005 8:03 AM PDT reply actions
Isnt he back hurting?
If Kendall got hurt, we would just lose the DH.
by OaktownPower on Aug 24, 2005 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
No
If you meant isn't he hurting again, then yes. It's an oblique strain that's causing problems with his swing, and probably why his hips are sliding through the zone instead of rotating.
by IndianaAsfan on Aug 24, 2005 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
If it is his oblique....
This prob will be solved Sept 1 when they call up a catcher anyways.
by OaktownPower on Aug 24, 2005 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
by IndianaAsfan on Aug 24, 2005 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Real Reason The A's Didn't Hit On Tuesday
But at least we may have some explanation for why the team had but two hits vs a mediocre pitcher on Tuesday. Yesterday was a "testing day" for the A's and Susan Slusser says, "Several players weren't able to produce urine samples after numerous bottles of water, and one needed five attempts before the testing was complete."
No wonder they couldn't hit--the A's were water-logged. It's understandable that Macha was said to be "pissed off."
Once again, we hear the hew and cry that the A's should play Melhuse over Kendall. That nonsense is particularly loud on the OAFC site, where Macha continues to be rapped unmercifully for batting Melhuse instead of Dye in the playoffs. And I have no doubt that some on AN feel the same way. I could use the word, "hypocrisy," but it is doubtful that those culpable could comprehend the meaning of that term...
by reztips on Aug 24, 2005 8:24 AM PDT reply actions
Unfortunately, reztips,
Is he mediocre?
by IndianaAsfan on Aug 24, 2005 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Forgot to add that
by reztips on Aug 24, 2005 8:37 AM PDT reply actions
I imagine we all thought
Opinions change...things change, it happens.
by OaktownPower on Aug 24, 2005 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
365 OBP leading off
IT is his catching that should have him as the DH.
by novaoakland on Aug 24, 2005 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahah..."great"
C) Even if we just go with your number and only count leading off, that would still put him 45th OA among MLB in OBP. It is good or fine, sure...bt nowhere near "great". Not even in the great galaxy
by OaktownPower on Aug 24, 2005 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick question about WHIP
So Street would have 57/62, which is .919? And is it used as a three-digit number?
Thanks ;) I'm making a point.
WHIP
by matthias on Aug 24, 2005 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
which is CRAZY!
by baseballgirl on Aug 24, 2005 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, definitely among the best among closers...
Fantastic stuff.
by OaktownPower on Aug 24, 2005 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Macha Refutes Speculation on Barton callup
September call-ups are slightly different, Crosby still had Tejada in fromt of him and Swisher was brought up partly b/c of Dye's injury.
I agree with Macha, it's not the time for Barton.
HIRE MACHA NOW!
What is Macha to say?
The kid is coming soon and will be a lot of fun to watch down the stretch. It will be nice having a $350K DH/1B/OF next year put up a .290/.375/430 line.
Macha's reply:
Personally, DKNJ, I would love to see him up here and rip the cover off the ball. I just don't think it's going to happen. Now, can a lot happen b/w Aug. 24 and Sept. 1st? Sure. As I mentioned, Swisher came up as a response to Dye's injury. The only injured guy we've got is Hatteberg, but I don't foresee, his bat not being in the lineup on a regular basis in September.
Unlike last year, Hatteberg is not "burnt out" this time around. The other option would be the outfield. I think Macha would be hard pressed to stick Barton out there where his inexperience could prove costly in the september games when there is such a premium placed on defense.
Bring up Bynum!
by A'sfansince1970 on Aug 24, 2005 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
Bynum
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Macha
Why Slusser asked him about whether Barton was "ready" to be called up is beyond me. What authority does Macha have to give this type of evaluation? Is Macha now spending time evaluating our AA players instead of figuring out how to score some runs?
by Adam @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
I hate to say it
He is bursting for Chuck Thomas to return.....aghhhh. This is not a sign that he is on his game.
Tell me that you wouldn't be fired up up about this lineup.
Ellis
Swisher
Chavez
Crosby
Johnson
Payton
Kotsay
Barton
Kendall
Watson should be the 4th Ofer and I would let Ginter take Scutaro's at bats in the utility role.
the losers in this shakeup are Keilty, Hatteberg, Melhouse and Scutaro
Ginter rhymes with splinter...
I'd take your lineup. Macha does seem overly concerned about player "psyche" with regards to the lineup. His biggest headache has been the Melhuse conundrum. That is, managing out of fear that if he bats Melhuse in the DH spot, it effectively removes him from catching that day or making the embarassing move of removing the DH and substituting pinch hitters for the DH spot in the event that Kendall was injured. Conversely, if the A's brought up a 3rd catcher while the 1st never sits and 2nd never plays, then how smart is that? We know that Melhuse would only DH half of the time with Hatteberg still around.
Trying to understand the rules, so bear with me
by kkdaz on Aug 24, 2005 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think you've got it
All I know is
hey tony is your other handle
by burnone on Aug 24, 2005 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The inability of people to figure out
hey burnone is your other handle no sense of humor that doesn't understand sarcasm? I've been to all the same games you have, brother.
There is a difference in being a band wagon
can't blame 'em for missing it
Freddy looks good!
by A'sfansince1970 on Aug 24, 2005 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
It could be worse....
Go A's - let's give the Tigers a spanking this afternoon!
by Pleasanton fan on Aug 24, 2005 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
Amen!!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Aug 24, 2005 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man....right now I cant wait football! :-)
by OaktownPower on Aug 24, 2005 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
leaving for the game...
go A's/tigers/A's/tigers/A's/tigers
Lets go GVSU!
by Alisa on Aug 24, 2005 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Just a hunch...
by Melissa on Aug 24, 2005 3:07 PM PDT reply actions
Are you crazy or something?
by MoNeYbALL MaGiC on Aug 24, 2005 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
no
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
by Melissa on Aug 24, 2005 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
With all due respect. he will at the very least:
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, of course...
by Melissa on Aug 24, 2005 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I implied that you were implying that:
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Aug 24, 2005 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Go back to Warcraft
This place is falling apart
Everything should be back to groovy...
Wear It.

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