Payton for Bradford deal official

by TroyNeelorBust on Jul 13, 2005 2:19 PM PDT Comment 61 comments

Here's the media release from the A's... A?s Acquire OF Jay Payton From Boston For Chad Bradford OAKLAND, Calif. ? The Oakland A?s today announced the club has acquired outfielder Jay Payton and cash considerations from the Boston Red Sox in exchange for right-handed pitcher Chad Bradford. Payton was batting .263 with five home runs and 21 RBI in 55 games with Boston before he was designated for assignment on July 7. He was batting .194 over his first 28 games but then hit .333 over his final 27 games starting on May 18. Payton was hitting .292 against left-handed pitching and .230 against right-handers. The 34-year old outfielder played for the New York Mets from 1998-2002, Colorado in 2002 and 2003 and San Diego in 2004. He is a .283 career hitter with 82 home runs and 321 RBI in 770 Major League games. Bradford began the season on the disabled list following March 7 surgery to repair a herniated disc in his lower back. He began a rehab assignment on June 24 and made a total of nine rehab appearances with Triple-A Sacramento, Single-A Stockton and the A?s affiliate in the Arizona Rookie League. Bradford posted a 4.42 ERA in 68 relief appearances with the A?s last year but held the opposition to a .234 batting average. He pitched four seasons with the A?s from 2001-2004 and was 18-14 with six saves and a 3.34 ERA in 250 relief appearances. The 30-year old right-hander also pitched for the Chicago White Sox from 1998-2000 and is 21-15 with seven saves and a 3.47 ERA in 294 career appearances.

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link please

i know the A's official site is always slow w/news, but i don't see anything official there

by F171615 on Jul 13, 2005 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

link

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-athletics-redsoxtrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

A's fan from over the hill (Reno, NV)

by spovich on Jul 13, 2005 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHY??

Well, I guess we'll find out in the next couple days...you know Billy must be up to something.

Bradford would help us more than Payton, so there has to be some kind of three-way meangerie about to go down.

by FireballerHARDEN on Jul 13, 2005 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea, I gotta think that either he's passing....

through or Byrnes is on the move. One way ticket to Colorado? or Chi-town?

by CyZito on Jul 13, 2005 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, if thats the case...

I'd rather have Byrnes than Payton!

Have faith AN...It's probably the start of something good if the last couple trading deadlines are anything to go by.

by FireballerHARDEN on Jul 13, 2005 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

right on

by denis52 on Jul 13, 2005 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

where did you see this?

it's not at the oaklandathletics.com.

"The difference between Jose Canseco and Kobe Bryant is that Kobe doesn't believe in giving his teammates any shots." -Jay Leno

by vignette17 on Jul 13, 2005 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

payton

is he the oldest guy on our team now?

by xbhaskarx on Jul 13, 2005 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Hatteberg

I think.

by dchu on Jul 13, 2005 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

just did a quick search

but I couldn't find this media release

by OaklandSi on Jul 13, 2005 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't say I'm happy about this

I was really looking forward to having Chadford back out there, and getting Glynn out of the 'pen.

I'm starting to think that Cruz will be our #5 starter and Saarloos will be the groundball guy out of the pen. Makes much more sense without Chad on the squad.

"Everyone was saying, 'Swisher, you suck!' and I was like, 'OK, we've established that.' "

by oblique on Jul 13, 2005 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Could...

We send Payton to Colorado for Kennedy...Then Colorado sends Preston Wilson to the Nationals for a prospect...

That's what I think...

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Jul 13, 2005 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That Seems Likely

Here in the nation's capital, the papers seem to think Wilson for Zach Day and J.J. Davis is a done deal.

by Eck on Jul 13, 2005 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup...

thats what I was thinking too. I think only issue is $$. Nats want more than Colorado is offering I guess...

by CyZito on Jul 13, 2005 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Kennedy?

Does this facilitate moving Saarloos to the 'pen, without the potential risk of starting Juan Cruz?

by tanghamilton on Jul 13, 2005 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Kennedy

I can only say, "Trust Billy". They must think he still has potential, and his problems have more to do w/ mechanics and mentality. I'm sure they've (A's Scouts) been watching Kennedy closely, and have determined that he's more valuable than Chad Bradford.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Jul 13, 2005 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's on oaklandathletics.com

now

"The difference between Jose Canseco and Kobe Bryant is that Kobe doesn't believe in giving his teammates any shots." -Jay Leno

by vignette17 on Jul 13, 2005 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

the A's link

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20050713&c ontent_id=1130312&vkey=pr_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

by OaklandSi on Jul 13, 2005 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

here's one link

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/teamTransactions?categoryId=71597

Transactions
7/13 Jay Payton (RF) Traded From Boston (with cash for RHP Chad Bradford)

by OaklandSi on Jul 13, 2005 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

So...

Does he stay or does he go?

by OaklandSi on Jul 13, 2005 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

who knows...

but, I'll guess he goes to Colorado in a Kennedy trade.

Eric Byrnes - Offensive and defensive dynamo!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 13, 2005 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know it has been said

but the Yankees wanted Payton and Boston would not deal with them. Maybe there will be a yankee trade in the future. I personally want Cano. I just think, overall, he will be better than our 2nd base platoon.

A hot dog at the ball park is better than steak at the Ritz. --Humphrey Bogart

by West Bay A s Fan on Jul 13, 2005 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the Yanks will deal Cano...

and, I don't think Beane wants any part of making the Yanks better since they're likely to be one of our top three rivals for the WC this year.

Eric Byrnes - Offensive and defensive dynamo!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 13, 2005 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep Payton, Ditch ByrnesBum

As I said before, Payton hits righties at better than ByrnesBrain's sub-Mendoza line clip. And he is a better OF. If Kotsay is hurt or needs a rest, who would you rather have in CF, Bumblin Byrnesey or the fine-fielding Payton?

I'd say the A's and their fans should open a spot called "Payton's Place." It would be far less scandalous than Byrnes Butcher Shop! ;-)

by reztips on Jul 13, 2005 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Easy answer...

I'd rather have Byrnes.

by Cass from the Rey on Jul 13, 2005 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

of course...

Payton's average against righties this year is a whole 12 points higher than Byrnes' and Byrnes mashes lefties to the tune of a .985 OPS compared to Payton's .778. It's laughable to think Beane would pay more for less offense, but who knows... maybe reztips will convince him to do so.

Eric Byrnes - Offensive and defensive dynamo!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 13, 2005 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The A's should keep Peyton...

if they can change the altitude to Colorado when he's hitting.

Otherwise, his career OPS and age tell me that Byrnes is better at the plate.

And being better defensively at a position (LF) that does not reward outstanding defense is a good (and particularly Giant way -- see Snow, J.T.) way to lose ballgames...

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on Jul 13, 2005 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

your logic is cornering me

I am getting the sense Kennedy is the next target. But I don't have to like it, understand it, or read your book.

by Apricot on Jul 13, 2005 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Everyone forgets the

most important part of the deal. "Cash Considerations", baby. Thats gotta be in the 7-8million dollar range. Then we use that to keep Zito. Yep.

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Jul 13, 2005 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Cash we get from bastan with payton?

Payton's contract in 2005 = $3.5M + $4M 06 Club options.
Bradford's contract in 2005 = $1.4M
So my guess is we probably got ~$1M for the diffrence in 2005 salary's

by livingon on Jul 13, 2005 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

psst..

I was trying to make up something imaginary to justify this trade...I actually don't see Payton's worth unless he's just passing through

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Jul 13, 2005 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

me too

this one definately leaves me scratching my head

by livingon on Jul 13, 2005 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Payton can pass through

but his money can stay with the A's. It might be that this was BB's way of grabbing some extra cash by giving up a few months of a pitcher coming off a serious back problem.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 13, 2005 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bradford AND Youkilis?

Since they're collecting moneyballers...think they'll take Hatteberg?

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -- Gil Meche

by Alien on Jul 13, 2005 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope Billy

has got something else up his sleeve more than Kennedy for Payton. I have a feeling that before the deadline he will trade Payton or Byrnes,Durazo and possibly a prospect to get either an everyday productive player maybe a star who is on the last year of his contract or 3 or 4 prospects from two different teams. I have faith that Billy and his crew have something in mind to help this years team.

Unlike some ANers, I would like to keep Hatteburg. I think he is clutch and a good model for some of the new kids.

by rustwarrior on Jul 13, 2005 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I, for one, will miss Bradford

I always enjoyed watching him pitch and confuse batters with that sweep the dust action...and find it odd that he's dealt just coming off injury..well, hope this one doesn't come back to haunt us. It will be interesting to see what will in happen next...in Billy we trust!

by LongTimeFan on Jul 13, 2005 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't get it

I think that we could have gotten more from Boston, the deal appeared to have been agreed upon before Foulke went down. Bradford had said that his back is feeling better than ever so it would be fair to say that he'd be pitching at least as well as the past. But we only got Payton for now and if we're thinking of trading him for 7.00 Kennedy I don't get that either, his trade value has been going down as his ERA rises. If we trade Payton for Kennedy than it's essentially Bradford for Kennedy which doesn't seem like a good deal. I don't see where Kennedy fits on our team. As a starter? I think Cruz would be a better option to try at #5. As a reliever? We already have Rincon who has proven himself, and he's actually cheaper. This might make sense if we can get a good deal for Rincon who could be attractive because of his small contract, but they we're relying on Kennedy who has not proven himself in the bullpen.

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds."
Red Barber, announcer

by Furious George on Jul 13, 2005 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If it's Kennedy...

and he is sent to the bullpen, that sure shortchanges Ron Flores and possibly paves the way for a trade of Rincon. So many possibilities, my friends...it's akin to a Choose Your Own Adventure book meant for GMs....

I'm easily distracted by those AVP advertisements

by franks a lot on Jul 13, 2005 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get Ready For

Payton's Place. I doubt he's going anywhere, but another OF might be going bye-bye.

by rsquared on Jul 13, 2005 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

trading for less offense at a higher price...

don't see it. But, we shall see.

Eric Byrnes - Offensive and defensive dynamo!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 13, 2005 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think there is a deal with the yankees

I think epstein and bb made the deal with the understanding that bb would not turn around and deal payton over to the yanks. if he did that, he would be burning epstein and i don't think he's going to do that. the colorado deal makes some sense as does some kind of deal with the cubs. i will give bb credit as it looks like he is going to turn chadford into 2 if not 3 prospects.

by mcbronsh on Jul 13, 2005 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Trade

It's true - The RedSox would never trade a player directly to the Yankees, and visa versa.

However, I don't think Theo Epstein would have a problem w/ the A's sending Payton to the Yankees. In fact, Theo would be pretty happy to see Payton in pinstripes. Better Payton, than say, Adam Dunn. You know the Yankees are going to try hard for Dunn.

Payton is Old, Overpaid, and a team cancer... In fact, he sounds like the perfect Yankee.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Jul 13, 2005 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn is obviously a much, much

better player than Payton, but he'd be a really stupid acquisition for the Yankees. That team has a lot of problems -- one of them, however, is not a lack of slow, non-contributors on defense whose value is mainly being able to hit homers. Their problem is that they already have so many guys like that on the team that they're starting a washed-up 34-year old 2B in CF!

The Yankees trading for Dunn would be similar to the A's going after someone like Pokey Reese (if he weren't hurt).

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 13, 2005 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yankees

The Yankees switched Chuck Knoblauch from 2b to LF, and they won 4 championships. They probably thought they could do the same thing w/ Tony Womack.

As for Steinbrenner & Co. acquiring Adam Dunn, I don't think it's a stretch. The Yankees are only 2.5 games out of the playoffs. If they turn on the switch (and I think they can and will, and I'm a Yankee Hater), then look out.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Jul 14, 2005 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also...

The Red Sox are primarily looking for bullpen help with this trade, and I don't think the Yankees are rich in that regard... while their constant scraping of their farm system keeps returning occasional people to pluck.

Still, I don't like the trade :) But now that it happened, I guess...

by Trocmagic on Jul 13, 2005 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually....

I read, I think yesterday, that Epstein was quoted as saying that Payton would end up in a place that you would least likely imagine. The article was hinting that he would be sent to the Yankees for one of the minor league prospects that Billy is after.

I'll see if I can find the link.

by FlagsFlyForever on Jul 13, 2005 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

trade proposal I like

I like the Craig Wilson from Pittsburgh trade proposal by Elephants in Oakland with us sending Byrnes and Melhuse for a catcher who can play everyday in outfield or first or occasionally at catcher. Still have a surplus of outfielders with Payton around.

Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN

by Charlie Brown on Jul 13, 2005 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Eric Byrnes isn't good

Jay Payton isn't good, either.

Let's trade them both and stick with an outfield of Kielty-Kotsay-Swisher, and let Cust or Watson or even poor Charles Thomas handle fourth outfielding duties.

by walk off bunt on Jul 13, 2005 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

So, who needs 33-Year Old Outfielder

Cubs
Yankees
Astros
Rockies (minus Preston Wilson)

Anyone other teams? Payton is probably going to an NL Team.

I don't think Theo Epstein would have a problem w/ the A's sending Payton to the Yankees. In fact, he would be pretty happy to see Payton in pinstripes. Better Payton, than say, Adam Dunn, or something like that...

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Jul 13, 2005 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

enjoy the moment and place your bets

Usually these trades are over in a blink and you wonder what the heck happened. But much like the Barrett saga (which some people are still wondering about), this looks like it's a "story untold" as Billy likes to say.

I want to give credit to the people on AN who deduced the Bradford trade a day or two earlier than the big press... and now, let's put our collective bets down and see who can guess the final result.

Me, I'm abstaining. I can't ever figure out who Billy's after next, except for the obvious guys like Grail. But I will contribute this quote from the womanizing bowler in the Simpsons:

To the most beautiful moment in life... Better than a deed, better than a memory, the moment... of anticipation!

by Apricot on Jul 13, 2005 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

My Bet

The A's keep Payton and send Byrnes to the Yanks for a prospect or two.

"May our feet be swift. May our bats be mighty. And may our balls be...plentiful."

by nothinlikethetown on Jul 13, 2005 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yankees and prospects in the same sentence

is wrong, They only have Duncan and Hughes and they won't trade them for Byrnes, I say trade Byrnes to Houston for Chad Qualls, I read they will trade him to Houston for Millar, and I think Byrnes is Better than Millar

by Olijerez77 on Jul 13, 2005 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

To Boston for Millar, Sorry

by Olijerez77 on Jul 13, 2005 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good quote, Apricot

It's always fascinating to see what BB will ultimately do. I won't be surprised to see a three way deal involving several players.

Foolsh, you are always so selective in your defense of ByrnesBrain. Checkout the major diary by Blez articulating the significant disparity over a career between Payton and Bumblin Byrnesey in hitting righties. It's significant, as is Payton's superiority on defense...

by reztips on Jul 13, 2005 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Matt Lawton

sportsline.com says that Matt Lawton of the Pirates could be prime trade bait. This year he is hitting .292 with a .399OBP and .491SLG against RHP. Of course the problem is that he is making over 7million.

by Larry E on Jul 13, 2005 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs