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A Long Post for One Simple Question

Last season, about this time, the A's went into New York and got swept in a three-game, heartwrenching series against the Yankees.  The losses came in large part because of a nuclear bullpen.  Seriously, I almost expected to see the three-eyed fish from The Simpsons sitting behind homeplate whenever the A's bullpen door swung open.

But it happened repeatedly until finally, Billy Beane had all he could stand and he can'ts stands no more.  He popped some spinach, got on the phone with Baird and Hunsicker and worked out a deal for Don't Ask, Do-tel.  Not all the A's problems were solved obviously because the A's still missed the playoffs, but the team suddenly became a contender again.

Ironically, Cleveland was having the same problem with their pen.  Again, it's 2004 all over again, but this time it's the miserable offense that appears to be the weak link.  Cleveland is having the same problem with their offense as well.  I'm thinking Shapiro and Beane need to stop spending the offseason passing around Greg Brady's tiki idol.

Any way, theories abound about the A's nuclear offense (this time the three-eyed fish is in the A's on-deck circle).  Mr. Hitting.com should be fired.  Macha should be fired.  The A's need new bats.  The A's need a whole bunch of players to go with those bats.  Thomas needs to go to Sacramento.  Chavez should be caned, tarred, feathered and then given a wedgie.  I want to know what you think the solution to the hitting woes are.  What is going to awaken these bats from their seemingly eternal slumber?

Just remember, most of last season, AN was calling for Curt Young's head on a stick.  And Beane and company were patient with the A's much-maligned hitting coach, which seems like the right move now with most of the kids pitching very well right now.

But many hitting and pitching coaches get too much credit when things are going well and blame when things are going bad.  Although a shakeup in the coaching ranks can sometimes spark a team.

I'm not sure what the answer is.  I honestly think this team is severely lacking from a slugging percentage deficiency as I wrote yesterday.  Take for example that inning today against the Yankees when the A's loaded the bases with no one out.  Had any one of those hits been an extra-base hit, they would've scored at least one, possibly several runs.  But instead, you have hit, walk, hit and because of one of the base runners being cautious, it didn't score a run.  If that third hit is a double in the gap, the A's score two.  Course if the first hit was a double, they still might not have scored.  But that to me is the biggest problem with this lineup right now.  Even when people like Chavez actually get a hit, it's a single.  So, my personal opinion is this team needs to add some slugging percentage.

Here's another person the A's should pursue, if they can:

Mike Sweeney.  Yes, he's an injury risk, but the Royals are essentially rebuilding (again) and Sweeney shouldn't need to toil in obscurity for forever.  It would mean a salary hit and Lew Wolff would need to approve of something like this.  But, get Sweeney to bat in the number three hole in the lineup and then you have this:

Kendall
Kotsay
Sweeney
Chavez
Kielty
Hatteberg
Ginter (or Crosby when healthy)
Thomas (or Swisher when healthy)
Scutaro

To me, adding someone with a .628 slugging percentage in 2005 and a .377 OBP for his career is exactly what this offense needs.  He's a true number three hitter.  Chavez then slides down a spot, and becomes someone who can grip and rip without having to be "The Man."

I don't know what Baird would ask for to complete a deal like this.  Maybe a Durazo and/or Dan Johnson with Eric Byrnes or Rheinecker.  The Royals have a lot of holes right now and they're looking toward the future.  Sweeney is 32 years old, so it goes against the common belief of the A's building towards 2006.  But the truth is that this team could possibly compete this year.  The AL West is not as strong as it's been in years past.

But that's just one man's opinion.  Maybe I'm just speaking from my heart.  But this team has won 14 games with little to no offense.  You add a stick like Sweeney and you're bringing someone who is a leader and can perform with RISP (his batting average in those situations is .419 and his OPS is 1.154 - he's the bizarro-Athletic with RISP).

I want to know what AN thinks.  Click on entry link below to vote.

Poll
What should happen to help awaken the A's limp bats?
Fire Dave Hudgens (Mr. Hitting.com)
8 votes
Fire Ken Macha
18 votes
Trade for a player or two
73 votes
Send several players to Sacto and give other kids a chance
34 votes
Move Chavez down in the lineup
17 votes
A clubhouse rampage by Beane, Kotsay or someone else
22 votes
All of the above
45 votes
None of the above, be patient and it will come around
26 votes

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Gee... Sweeney?
Pull the trigger!  I won't even say, I recommended it weeks ago.  Oh, okay, yes I will.  ;-)
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hey
anyone to help us out w/out selling the whole farm.

by ucla kid on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh...
and, can we trade Macha for Ozzie Guillen, too?
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha...Hes prob the only manager worse.
The Sox are winning in spite of Ozzie.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney....
The dude can rake but it is a certainty he will miss time at some point with that back.  He does every year....I would have to give up that much and get  aguy we know will miss time......If he stays healthy sure, but thats a gigantic, Colon-seized If.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

missing some time isn't such a bad thing...
I'd like to see half the guys in our lineup miss some time right about now.
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never thought I'd say this, but....
If Ken Macha's contract is unlikely to be renewed after this year anyway, then make him the sacrificial lamb now in order to shake up the team; particularly if his replacement comes from within the organization.

I'm just concerned that we sacrifice too much of our future by doing a short fix now.  By shaking up the troops via a Macha dismissal, you accomplish much of the same at a lower cost.

Unless we have a real shot of making the playoffs, of course.  Right now, it's just hard to see that.

by Rob on May 8, 2005 11:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

not sure what the answer is...
but something should be done.  I know we need to take a long term perspective on things, but as Blez points out this team needs a hitter or two with a high slugging percentage.  This doesn't appear to be a problem that is going to work itself out in the long-term.  Although things may improve some, I just don't see the improvements in players that are far off the mark like Chavez being enough.  Once they come around, we will be closer to the run production our pitchers need but it still will not be sufficient.  

I also agree that we can be competitive this year for the West.  The division is a bit off, and we have many of the ingredients required for winning.  Many pundits said we would stink this year because of the departure of Hudson and Mulder.  But this isn't even close.  The pitching is doing fine.  As we all have painfully seen, we can't hit.  This is the most anemic A's lineup I can remember seeing in a long time.  Billy needs to get us a bat or two and we will all be looking at a very competitive run for the division.  

I have reservations about Sweeney given the injury risks.  I don't think I could handle a DL.  I don't have an answer for how we might solve this problem.  I am sure Beane is working away on this problem (I trust).  Although this year is something of a rebuilding one, I can't see him throwing in the towel on this season.  He is too much of a competitor.  

by island of misfit toys on May 8, 2005 11:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FIRE MACHA
And name Mr Ron Washington as the manager who will lead this new team for at least the next 5 years.

by UCD Stomper on May 8, 2005 11:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks to Blez.
For adding fuel to the fire.

I hate to be sarcastic, but this place is already overrun w/ this kind of talk.  It's getting to the point where I will avoid AN on days after losses.

by Inquisitor on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying something needs to be done
I was just saying that past history indicates that Beane doesn't sit still during stretches like this.  Although I'm not quiet sure the A's ever experienced a stretch like this during Beane's tenure.  Six shutouts in the first 31 games.

Ouch.

That's why there is an option to do nothing.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it would take so much
To get Sweeney. I think Byrnes and Dan Johnson would be enough. If he gets traded, it adds another 1.5 million. The guy is making a ton of money plus he's an injury risk. We wouldn't have to give up as much as we normally would for a guy of his calibur.

As for the Indians, well thats an interesting one. The thing is, their offense is one of the worst right now as well. Who could we get that they would give us for Dotel? Ben Broussard and Ronny Belliard? I don't think they have anyone we reallly want, and Hafner is a lefty.

Conventional wisdom says 15 is too young to be an executive of a major sports franchise. Galileo and Einstein weren't conventional. Neither am i.

by ohad on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes and Johnson won't do it...
Kielty is a much better player.  KC's GM is going to, no doubt, insist on him as part of the deal, rather than a scrub like Byrnes.  C'mon, Ohad, get real.  No other GM is dumb enough to trade for a guy hitting .208.
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 9, 2005 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KC
Can get something for him now, or nothing for him later.  They'll probably want 2 prospects.  

No one in their right mind would want Eric Byrnes on their 40-Man Roster.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broussard?
Is a left handed stick too, no?

by AlwaysSweatin on May 9, 2005 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, hell yeah!
If we can consumate my Mets trade in a previous thread, while adding a Mike Sweeney:

Our lineup would look like this:

  1. CF M. Kotsay
  2. C  J. Kendall
  3. 1B M. Sweeney
  4. 3B D. Wright
  5. LF M. Cameron
  6. DH K. Ginter/Hatty (platoon of plyrs - assuming Durazo is packaged in a deal w/ DJ + a minor leager to KC)
  7. RF B. Keilty or (N. Swisher)
  8. SS M. Scutaro or (B. Crosby)
  9. 2B M. Ellis
Vote Miggy to the All-star game. Make Jeter a has-been.

by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a downright pathetic
DH spot.
I just needed something new here, since the season had started ...

by devo on May 9, 2005 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put your coaches cap on.
That lineup isn't set in stone. Since Sweeney has been known to be injury prone, I'd rather him DH and Hatteburg man 1B.
Vote Miggy to the All-star game. Make Jeter a has-been.

by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Austin?
I thought you were down with Austin Kearns, Blez. Why the change of heart?

by limecat on May 9, 2005 12:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a change of heart,
just a different player suggested to target.  I'm not saying Sweeney is the only answer.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think hitting coaches matter that much
but i still voted for the "fire mr. hitting.com" option.  all 3% of us (okay, i think that's just me at the moment) were probably annoyed to see byrnes and chavez featured so prominently on the webpage.  

so hudgens is endorsed by giambi, tejada, chavez, and byrnes, that's a .250 average which isn't good enough.  

if that doesn't shake things up enough, fire macha in another two weeks.  i don't even dislike macha, but changes must be made...

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

a's 12 step program
beane should take a series of escalating steps, perhaps one every week, until there are some results.

1 move chavez down in the lineup
2 fire hudgens
3 bring someone up from sacto
4 hire a motivational speaker
5 put ginter at third base
6 trade for sweeney or huff (not kearns or sanders, please)
7 some sort of public ridicule/humiliation
8 hire a hypnotherapist for chavez to convince him he doesn't suck
9 get those new contact lenses brian roberts is wearing, force every hitter to wear them
10 fire macha
11 break chavez's hand, it worked last year.
12 clubhouse rampage

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i would go with
numbers 1,2,3,4 (or a stripper),5 (only once!), 6,8,10 (if he refuses to do what a manager should do, at least shuffle the lineup and move the two most glaring underperformers --chavez and Kendall -- down the lineup for a while. In fact, I would play Melhuse more; perhaps that will light a fire under Kendall, since he doesn't look like the fiery player I thought the A's were getting.)

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Melhuse
Shove all the "Kendall want to play every day" blather.  He's had his chance.  Now give Melhuse the same shot.  It's hard to imagine how he could be worse.  
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why melhuse ????
if you look up his '03 numbers and compare them to '04, melhuse actually REGRESSED as a hitter last yr. more PT for melhuse only draws out his flaws as a player.
The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento" Committee is now taking new members. Membership is free.

by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melhuse needs to play more because ...
Kendall can't seem to muscle the ball out of the infield, and his arm is worse than his hitting.  Melhuse may not be the next coming of Pudge, but Kendall is pitiful.  Melhuse is a power threat - I say play him for a week and put his bat in the middle of the order.  Put Ginter at 2B or in left field and move Chavy down to the 8-hole.  I doubt that lineup would score less than a shutout.

by iceplant on May 9, 2005 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Huse yo daddy?
You want slugging and this guy has a great HR/AB ratio. Tons of people "regress" from one year to the next. Bottom line, if you're going to base everything on prior years and not what your gut instinct tells you, your going to be banking on nothing but guys coming down from their peaks and the most overvalued guys at that. It's totally free to use Melhuse more and if nothing else it lights a fire under Kendall and maybe gets a solo shot or two.

I also vote for a mixup in the coaching staff and some shuffling of players to and from AAA. I can't believe we're not even doing that at this point. After we test that, then pursue some trades and get rid of guys whose value is high. Personally, I don't think Dotel is worth what everybody else in the league thinks he's worth. His ERA would be over 5 if you charged him with all the runs he lets in (instead the mid-relievers get dinged every time he comes in the game). Look at those BB/IP!!! Horrible.

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to YOUTH?
I don't like it. Sweeney is older. He has the history of back problems. The moves that were made in the offseason were to get YOUNGER. A Sweeney deal would reverse that trend.

Although I have not given up on this season at all, I believe that any move that is made should be made looking to the future and the strength of the A's when Crosby, Haren, Swisher, Blanton, and Meyer have all had a couple more years under their belts.

We should look for power now, but young power that we can hold on to for some time and have grow with the team.

by Josh on May 9, 2005 12:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, I like Sweeney a lot...
but I'm not sure we need to add another 1B/DH.  If we're gonna trade for Sweeney, we need to package Durazo in with whoever else we give to KC (probably Byrnes, DJ, and one other good OF or P prospect).  If we do this, the salary hit won't be as bad (I'm not sure how much Sweeney is making, but clearing out Byrnes and Durazo would take nearly 7 mil out with them), and I know the A's are under budget right now, so they can take on a little extra salary.

So, if all that can be worked out, Sweeney would be a great addition.  We could bat him DH more than playing him at 1st to ease the stress put on his back, and maybe help him stay more or less injury free.  We wouldn't be selling away the future as Durazo and Byrnes wont be back next year anyways, DJ will only be around until Barton makes his way up, and we have plenty of young outfielders and pitchers that giving up one wont hurt.  

It would take a genius Billy Beane move to get all this accomplished, and possibly another team to get enough pieces together to make the package enticing to KC, but it could work!

I'm up for anythign that will help the A's offense come around so we can compete.  And I like Sweeney better than anyone else mentioned to date (cept maybe Huff)

A's fan for life!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on May 9, 2005 1:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney
He makes 12.5 million a year if he is traded.  That is a lot of money for a player that has such a history of injury.  Also, the Royals do not need another 1B as they are grooming Justin Huber to take over at that position very soon.  The problem the Royals are looking to fix is a power hitting corner OF so that is what they would want in return for Sweeney.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley

by FuriousB on May 9, 2005 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeny sounds good.
Certainly the team needs the proverbial Wake Up call.  Something.  But not "anything" - that reeks of desperation and it's not Billy's or the A's style.

I've always had the impression that Sweeny has been tough on the A's (the stats folks will share the reality with us I hope).  And I'm a firm believer in getting the folks who can cause you trouble over to your side.

Add this to the fact that he is a solid hitter and a trade for him would send a serious signal to the players and fans... I'm all for it!

"Holy Manama!" ~Bahrain, 5,000+ miles east of Toledo :-)~

by NomAd on May 9, 2005 1:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney under the right conditions
I agree with this post. I'd trade for Sweeney but only in a win-win scenario. We clear out over-valued guys and their over-valued salaries. Although frankly, I'm not sure of the market value of any A's player right now (aside from Kotsay and Harden). I don't think many teams have a very strong desire for anybody we have and so finding the right scenario would take a ton of work. My bet is it most likely includes highly touted prospects (and none of our prospects are lighting it up either).

But I agree, shop for an older player and give him a 1/2 a year (under the premise that we don't have enough trade bait to get a rising star). I don't like the way we're losing and even if there's a chance we can turn it around, there is also a risk that if we go in the dumper this season, our guys will lose that winning edge that we've built up over the past 5 years and we'll go into "rebuilding mode" where wins are no longer required in the near future. NO. We actually still have a very solid nucleus. They're all cold as ice, that's all. We're playing like crap and we're only 4 games under .500. That's actually the sign of a pretty good team!

Let's make some shake-ups and add a bat (not an OBP). A pure hitter with a little pop.

I'm also thinking it's time to consider bringing up a potential starting pitcher from the minors.

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hire...
Larry Bowa.  He's a local (Sacto anyway).  And he'd light a fire under these guys like nothing else.  

by timed exposure on May 9, 2005 1:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice...
"First of all, I'm not calm about it. Every time they lose, I freak out." - Andy Painter

by secret ASian man on May 9, 2005 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes me smile...
...to imagine of all the drama that would unfold if Bowa was hired as A's Manager.
"First of all, I'm not calm about it. Every time they lose, I freak out." - Andy Painter

by secret ASian man on May 9, 2005 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Capital "D" Drama
Yes, Bowa would bring big-time Drama.  Not much else  - like more victories - but Lot's of Drama!!!  And most of it about, guess who?, Larry Bowa.

Picture Bowa as manager and Joe Morgan doing the game. Morgan would be spewing his guts out with praise and admiration... 'nuff said.

"Holy Manama!" ~Bahrain, 5,000+ miles east of Toledo :-)~

by NomAd on May 9, 2005 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just say 'No' to Larry !!
... Larry is Billy Martin without the track record !!

remember 'track record' is very important to BB !!

Larry Bowa is also Billy Martin without the drink in hand either !!

Larry is a 'top-stepper' as a manager. those guys wear out their welcome and effectiveness very soon.

Macha's not the problem, but he is the obvious scapegoat. it comes with the job description.

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While Larry Bowa would be fun to watch
(and I suggested him yesterday), canning Macha and promoting Wash to manager would be AMAZING.  People love and respect him for his baseball mind, the entire team holds him in incredible regard, and he could light a fire under their asses.  As much as Art Howe was maligned, the old boy knew how to kindle and spark the team, and I've missed him throughout the Macha era.  I thought this last year, and I'll say it again: The A's need a leader that can spark the whole team.  Kotsay tries to lead by example but that's not working with this team.  Kendall isn't fiery cuz he's still making a switch to the team.  BY GOD, BRING BACK RICKEY!  He'd light a fire under these guys' asses like no one's business...even if we brought Rickey back to replace Hudgens, I don't care, it's a great marketing ploy, and him and Wash running the team would be real fun to watch.

Just my two wheat pennies

by noava22 on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No easy solutions
The A's have two power threats in their lineup - Chavez (who's not hitting for power) and Durazo (who should be hitting cleanup instead of Hatteberg).  That's it.  

We can't slug.  We can't play small ball.

Sweeney isn't the answer.  He's on the downside of his career and is injury-prone.  And he would only make sense if the A's are in the race this season.  At this point, even though the division is weak, I'm not persuaded that we're a contender.

And then there is the matter of Calero.  I don't know if he's still hurt, or if the loss of his best pitch has turned him into a very hittable pitcher.  But suddenly, our bullpen is looking mighty vulnerable.  Our two prize relief acquisitions, Cruz and Calero, can't be used if the game is close.  I don't know if Calero needs surgery, time to get his stuff back, or whether he's just damaged goods.  But this remains an alarming development.

As for the hitting, we are probably reaching a point where a change needs to be made, simply for the sake of doing something.  But I don't know what would help.    

by bear88 on May 9, 2005 2:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Downside of his career?
Have you looked at his stats this year?

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Downside
I'm going by age and injury history.  He's got a bad back, will turn 32 in July, and is really expensive.

Sweeney is a terrific hitter who is off to a very good start.  But he seems out of our price range and not worth a long-term investment even if Fisher/Wolff/Beane wanted to make it.  I'm also not sure they will want to make such a short-term investment.

Would Sweeney improve our lineup this year?  Absolutely.  I just don't see it happening.

by bear88 on May 9, 2005 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this assessment ...
It may just be that we got Dan Haren and a whole bunch of crap for Hudson and Mulder.  Sweeney is very good, but very expensive.  He's hitting now, and the guy rakes when healthy, but I don't think he's the risk we should take right now.  The risk is twofold:
  1.  He stays healthy
  2.  This A's team, even with Sweeney, is good enough to compete in this mediocre division this year.
I wouldn't bet on either.  I think we need a long-term acquisition that might help now if we get lucky.  I think Xavier Nady would be a great acquisition, but I just can't imagine what we would have to give.  I do think, however, that Sweeney might come cheaper than some think only because KC probably wants to liberate themselves from that salary.

by iceplant on May 9, 2005 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly why I pick players and teams
that's why Kearns and Pena and Sweeney are my suggestions.  Both the Royals and Reds need help.  The A's need help.  The Royals would probably love to rid themselves of Sweeney's salary.  The Reds have too many outfielders.

We can't always pick and choose who we want.  The situations have to also be right for the other team.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Situational trades you're right Blez
You are correct Blez.

It has to fit both teams.  It's funny I found myself watching the Reds vs. Dodgers game last night on ESPN doing some scouting if you will.  Same thing with the Giants vs. Nationals.  Allthough, I really don't see what all the rummors were about with the Nationals GM talking to Billy.  I didn't see any players in particular, right handed bats with power for a corner outfield spot on our team.

The Al West is still up for grabs.  For all our problems we are not burried yet.  Sept. schedule looks like a killer though.  If we are to contend is this year of so callled rebuilding it will take some Billy magic.

And maybe......Macha finds his way to the door.  I have never liked the way he uses the bullpen.  Just my opinion, but when a reliever or maybe even a starter for that matter gets into trouble it seems to me he has hasn't even got any one up yet.  I remember in the playoff agains't Boston when Barry came out to warm up in the 5th inning I believe he was pitching on three days rest and bounced two of his warm up throws to the plate before he even faced a batter that inning.  I think he walked a batter gave up a hit and then the bomb to Manny.  That's when Macha got someone up.  I know has an ex catcher you don't want to waste a guy warming up in the bullpen and not bring him in.  But, I don't see the harm in having one or two guys just soft tossing in the pen just to stay lose and turn it up if needed.  This has always bothered me even with Art Howe.

I also would like to see Washington get his chance.  I know from listening to Robert Baun that Macha has respect of many players on the team but he is to timid to me.  He doesn't show much emotion on or off the field.  I listen to extra innings almost daily after every game and the Macha post game interviews are almost painful to listen to.  They are so routine.  ".......good hit there in the ...inning acouple of big outs from......  or no clutch hits.....need to do a better job"  I and the way he says it slow and drawn out.  again lacking emotion in my opinion.  I certainly would not miss that in the post game show or pregame for that matter if he were gone.

What about bringing Carney back has hitting coach or thirdbase coach ,or move him to first.  If Washington is promoted.  A hardnosed player who could hit.   I have read somewhere he has coached his son in High School in Santa Clara I believe.  It might be jump to the big leagues but, I bet he could do it if he wants to.  What do you think fellow AN'ers

by Mike Heath on May 9, 2005 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cruz was a miracle worked by Leo Mazzone,
and Calero is still great...but he can't throw his slider, which makes him nasty as all hell.  We should shelve Calero until he's 100% healthy, surgery or not (he's a huge investment), and give Maebus or someone some big league experience until frisbee Chad comes back.

by noava22 on May 9, 2005 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why eliminate Durazo...
 ...if he's one of the only ones in the lineup who's slugging?  This would only be a marginal total lineup improvement for nearly 6 million more dollars added.

If Oakland must obtain power - which is debatable - why not think completely outside the box?...Cliff Floyd and Mike Piazza (while he's cold)! Of course Oakland would have to sacrifice a lot (and also need to clear salary significantly) in order to get what we 'need' in return.  Think Kendall (who we all know is a two/three year rental anyway...come to think of it, isn't everybody a rental when you get right down to it?), Zito, and a certain very popular center fielder who I will take much grief from the rest of the AN for even suggesting that he be dealt for what 'needs' to a shake-up.
   

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by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Durazo
and bat him fourth for crying out loud!

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 4:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed-don't dump Durazo
He might have been our best hitter last year and is the only one showing any signs of hitting for power right now.
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Ohad,
I don't want to hear about no-trade clauses while I'm taking bong hits!!!
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by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney
 I mentioned getting him on another A's board and got blasted. This was weeks ago.  If the A's want to win this year, I would attempt to get Sweeney. K.C. would be into this trade and we would not have to give away the farm.  We need someone that can hit with RISP, Sweeney is this type.

Will Beane go this route? Probably not.

by sommers on May 9, 2005 5:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Patience is a hard thing to acquire-
Yesterday's game was tough- real tough- to watch.  And like most of the posters on this site, I kept thinking the "what if's"-  what if we fire macha, trade players, acquire Sweeney, etc.

I came to the conclusion that if this team really wants to compete in years to come- we have to sacrifice a little bit this year and accept the fact that we can't have a playoff team every year.   We have to build on our young pitchers slowly and intelligently- and not trade away our future young talent for aging but perhaps more productive talent such as Sweeney.

Patience is hard to promote, especially if your team is playing pitifully-  but we've got to keep our heads straight and not sell the farm.

The greenmachine

by greenmachine on May 9, 2005 5:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately,
I think this is the right "move."  It's just a shame some of our "stars" are so absolutely dreadful.

Byrnes will soon be gone .. thank goodness, man, he's bad. Just bad all around.
Chavez .... well, he's got to look himself in the mirror everyday knowing he's stealing money. If he can live with it, so can I.

It will be 2006 before you know it ... it's a shame though too, because Macha will probably be fired, and the players will be to blame. Maybe Wash will get his chance after all.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on May 9, 2005 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
We already gave up Hudson and Mulder to put us in a good position for the future.  What more can we possibly give up?  

I would like to see Dan Johnson get called up.  Can anyone explain why he isn't get a shot?  I'm sure there's a good reason...I HOPE there's a good reason.

by keNbO on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm....
...i think i'm still leaning toward NOT making a move.
Looking at Sweeney's numbers over the past few years, and because of injuries, you pretty much
get Byrnes' 2004 season- 20 or so HRs, maybe 70-80 RBI. Of course Sweeney puts up these numbers in just 400 ABs, but if he can't stay healthy...

Also, i noticed he wears the captain's 'C' for the Royals. Does anyone know what the fans think of him there? Do they want him gone?

by easyrichboy on May 9, 2005 5:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sweeney NOT the answer, long/short term
i'ii agree with some of the above posters. sweeney is too expensive (11 mil in '05) and too
injury-prone (chronic lower disc problems) to be taken seriously as a trade option.

IF BB does make a move it'ii be:

  1. firing hudgens (what, does this guy have compromising pix og billy or something?) and hope whomever he bring in will light a fire.
  2. trade for a cheap, short term contract who is an older player with a high RBI/HR history who can bat BEHIND chavy OR a cheap, not yet arbie eligible with a high-end future power bat potential.
something needs to be done...the a's are in  
a severe rut.
The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento" Committee is now taking new members. Membership is free.

by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 6:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Make a move or wait for a July firesale
This team, as presently constituted, will not contend.  The gap with the Angels will continue to grow as the season progresses.  I'm not sure I'd give up what we have of value right now for ageing or oft-injured players like Sweeney.  I'm much more in favor of a quick upgrade (still don't mind Sanders) if it doesn't cost much, just to see if it can give the offense some life.  But a more likely scenario is deals for Hatteberg, Durazo, Byrnes, and Dotel in the summer.  Acquire some young power and maybe another young starting arm.  Prepare for 2006 and beyond.

by boilerdan on May 9, 2005 6:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Feeling Very Patient Today
Very, very patient.  

And calm.  Very, very calm.

Because I've got a good feeling about this series in Boston.  

No changes for me, thanks.

Just as long as I have my medicine.

by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 6:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish
I was as optimistic.  :/
My heart can't take it anymore!  
GO A's!!!

by AsGirl on May 9, 2005 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go...
...I wanna be sedated
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by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last week, it was the Talking Heads....
This week, The Ramones?
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing at all
Just making sure we are on the same page for this week's music theme.  

Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em, that I got no cerebellum.

"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're both NY bands
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Worries, Gabba Gabba
Gonna have a real cool time and everything's gonna be real fine.

At least I think so.

by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glue a performance enchancing drug?
If not...
"I wanna sniff some glue, now I want something to do..."
"IDIOT RUINS GAME - Springfield forfeits pennant"

by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well new york city really has it all
back to back shutouts, that is
oh yeah, oh yeah.

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

see you down at CBGB tonite!!!!
big ramones fan here!

"hey ho, let's go"

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by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO to Sweeney
I agree with whomever said Sweeney is not the answer. He's hot right now, but we all know he is a HUGE injury risk, and a ridiculously expensive one at that. That's $11 million, folks! Between Crosby, Swish, and Calero, we've got enough key players hurting right now. We don't need another one.

That said, I'd trade for Carlos Lee. Not as expensive, extremely durable (has never had fewer than 492 AB in a season), and with more power than Sweeney. Plus he plays a position that currently represents our weakest spot in the field and in the lineup (LF).

by OaktownTribesman on May 9, 2005 7:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i would love lee
but doubt he's available at the moment

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee won't make the rest of the team better.
There is a terrorist behind every BUSH.

by paul75 on May 9, 2005 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Extra $$$
Can we start buying more $$$ players now that we have an owner with cash?
Go A's! All the way from Orlando, FL

by Ryan Hadden on May 9, 2005 7:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lee
may not be available.  Sweeney probably is.

by sommers on May 9, 2005 7:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would Lee not be available?
It's not like the Brewers are contending or he's a homegrown hometown favorite in Milwaukee. He's on the expensive side for a team that's clearly not going to the playoffs this year, plus he's a newcomer who hasn't yet won the hearts of the locals. He can be had for the right price. I agree the Royals would clearly love to dump Sweeney if they could, but I fail to see how Lee would be untouchable in Milwaukee.

by OaktownTribesman on May 9, 2005 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This early in the season
more teams think they have a chance to contend, and are probably less likely to consider trading for at least another month. the Brewers only obtained Lee recently, and he is playing very well. And Lee got quite a good reception from the fans in the games I was able to view this past weekend.

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about..
an internal shakeup first?  Send Charles Thomas and/or Clark down and send up Johnson, Watson, or Rheinercker (too lazy at the moment to verify spelling).  I think the Menechino send down from a couple years ago was effective, why not attempt something similar?
I would hate to get a Sweeney when the A's possibly already have a in-house slugging first baseman in Johnson.  Give him a chance already!  And just hire Hatteberg as the hitting coach so we don't have that log-jam at first...<man dreaming>
"IDIOT RUINS GAME - Springfield forfeits pennant"

by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 7:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen!
Call up DJ and Jack Cust!  We need sluggers, right?  Send down Thomas and one of the relievers (Calero to DL?) -- an 11-man bullpen is enough for time being.

by Jeff in Seattle on May 9, 2005 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
two immediate things that the A's can do:
  1. send CT and Clark to AAA, and fill their spots with Watson and DJ. Send Cruz to AAA and bring up Rhinecker. Evaluate whether to put Calero on DL. If so, then Cust can come up as a pinch-hitter from the bench.
  2. Move Chavvy down the lineup, say to 6th. Don't put Hatty as the cleanup hitter!

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rhino
I would keep Rheinecker in AAA a little longer, so he can rebuild his confidence. He's been regressing for 2 years, but this year he's showing signs that he's back on track. Why mess with that? I say bring up Reames instead.

by OaktownTribesman on May 9, 2005 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two Holy Grails...
on the roster at the same time (Durazo, Cust) and the A's being broadcast on a Christian Family radio station...we will finally have God on our side
"IDIOT RUINS GAME - Springfield forfeits pennant"

by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe the A's can trade for Cameron
... and complete the 'Holy Trinty' of Grails.

Durazo, Cust and Cameron !!

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

isnt JD Drew part of that GRAIL fraternity
"What's the ugliest part of your body...some say your nose, some say your toes, but i think it's your MIND." - Mothers of Invention

by redclay22 on May 9, 2005 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Must Two Buck Chuck Suffer For Chavvy's Sins?
With all the roster moves we've had due to injuries, do you think Chavvy or Durazo would even notice if Thomas or Clark were sent down?

The shake-up from 2002 included a trade of Jeremy Giambi, right?  And two starting position players being sent down?  Thomas doesn't start and Clark is a spare part.

by floyd on May 9, 2005 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well.
If you're under the assumption that only Chavy is to blame for the current slump, then I might understand. But as it's been pointed out in many diaries and posts on AN, it's not just one guy...it's a whole slew of players performing way below career levels.

Thomas should be sent down just to get himself at bats. He's looked like crap at the plate and, surprisingly, he's looked even worse on the field. I'm willing to bet that this might be more mental than physical. Consistent ab's might do the guy some good.

Clark was brought up to rot on the bench. The A's could just leave him be, and nobody would notice.

The whole point is that something needs to be done. The most logical first move would be to look internally. The guy that needs to be called up is Watson. It's an absolute must, in my opinion.

by Sharon on May 9, 2005 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CT needs to go to Sacto
for his own good, not for Chavvy's. At Sacto he could play regularly, hopefully getting his confidence back along with his swing and defensive prowess.

Clark is not being used by the A's. If they are looking for pop then he should be exchanged for someone at the AAA level who does.

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas should go
to Triple A and take Chavy with him.
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain

by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was limited by the title length ...
I couldn't write "... suffer for Chavvy and Durazo's sins."

Sure, Thomas could go to Sacto to work on his game.  But he barely plays, and Clark is there in case someone gets injured, so sending them down isn't going to help the aweffense.

by floyd on May 9, 2005 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you send someone down
you can bring someone else up. but of course, they need to get in the lineup.

CT needs to get himself back together. he can do that in Sacto. In his place bring up someone who is hitting, like Watson -- but then play him.

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fire Macha
Fire him, trade him, change the locks while he's taking out the trash, I don't care. His laid back, apethic style isn't cutting it. If he's not going balistic when the team loads the bases with no outs and can't score a single run, that's not the guy I want leading a youngish team. Get someone in that can make these guys perform the way they're capable of. Because they do have the talent.

I don't think a trade is going to be the answer. We'll get a big bat that will suddenly start slumping because apathy breeds apathy. And we'll be right back where we are now.

What we need is someone who can REMIND Hudgens and these guys what to do with the bat with RISP. Quit taking huge hacks, shorten your swing and PUT THE BALL IN PLAY. MAKE CONTACT. MOVE THE RUNNER. 25% of the time you'll get a run, which is 25% more of a chance when all you do is strike out.

Granted I never got farther than Babe Ruth in my baseball career because I sucked, but I never struck out with RISP because I was just going for contact instead of the fence.

Maybe Hudgens ought to hire me to script his next DVD.

December 6, 1982: The Red Sox trade 3B Carney Lansford, OF Garry Hancock, and minor leaguer Jerry King to Oakland for OF Tony Armas and C Jeff Newman.

by lansfords1 on May 9, 2005 7:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree completely
it seems to me that the players all have potential, and that management should be held responsible for getting them fired up and focused.

by lovethegame on May 9, 2005 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dan johnson....
is not a guy that should be involved in any trade.....why trade your future to win now isn't that so New York Yankee like?? johnson is the best First Baseman prospect we have and i for one would not like any deal that included him unless its some out of this world deal that beane cannot pass up.

I'd much rather keep johnson and go through a year of hardship and have 06 be just an amazing year as its looking out to be.

I hate any player thats got the initials NY on them!

by TorontoAsFan on May 9, 2005 7:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Susan Slusser
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/09/AS.TMP&type=as

Forst has confirmed that the A's are looking at any and all options, including bringing up someone from the minors (I assume that "any and all' includes possible trades?)

She quotes Macha as still resisting a lineup shuffle. He argues that the lineup as is theoretically should get the job done. Of course, the theory and "past history" doesn't really address  the current situation of major slumps, especially regarding Chavvy (who in the past has climbed out of slumps after being moved down the lineup).

As we all know Beane would likely be at a disadvantage in trades right now, simply because it's early in the season and it's too obvious that the A's are hurting. But perhaps other teams have a "problem" player (not a character issue, but someone who just isn't getting to play and is starting to chafe0 who could maybe be pried loose now without selling off the A's future. See the "A's Legacy" blog for a discussion of Kearns' situation in Cincinatti:
http://www.aslegacy.blogspot.com/

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Loved that quote from Macha
He seems content to sit on his a$$ and wait for that key hit to finally happen.

We've tried it your way for 31 games, Ken... and it ain't working.

December 6, 1982: The Red Sox trade 3B Carney Lansford, OF Garry Hancock, and minor leaguer Jerry King to Oakland for OF Tony Armas and C Jeff Newman.

by lansfords1 on May 9, 2005 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is shuffling the lineup so taboo?
Macha seems to believe that changing the lineup makes hitters uncomfortable or something. What is the downside of shuffling the lineup? Isn't a lineup simply a one-game-at-a-time situation?

I also agree with all the posters who cite that it never helps to trade from a position of weakness when discussing trade options. You REALLY sacrifice the future when it's obvious you're desperate for immediate help. You need to find win-win situations. Give somebody a "top 10 reliever" (uh, that would be Dotel to the rest of the league) and take from them an older hitter. Again, we may need patience and wait until a team really NEEDS a reliever or a team is already calling this season lost.

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade partners:
realistically, the possible clubs for potential trades due to lower than expected achievement or possible needs are:
clev
ny mets
phil
cubs
houston
SD
San Fran

OR, billy might be a  "seller" and blow it all up and start selling off assets in july/aug.

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by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Use the Rivercat option
Send a few guys to Sacramento (Chavez included) just to let them feel what it's like to hit again.  Nobody's hurt, and if it's not the coach's fault then this is just a team-wide mental malaise.  Maybe a few homeruns at Raley Field would snap them out of it.  
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You realize Chavez would NEVER
pass through waivers, right?  You can't send him down.

DePodesta would snatch him up in a second.  Heck, almost any other team in the majors would snap Chavy up.  Because unlike us, they realize that baseball is a game of ups and downs.  Today's slump is tomorrow's 100-rbi guy.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't
even acknowledge that type of ignorance Blez.

by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that person probably doesn't understand
what sending chavez to aaa would entail.

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yOUR
probably right.

by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
I did not understand.  Thank you for indulging my ignorance kindly.
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain

by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed it would never happen...
but that would be great for the fans in Sacto who can't get to Oakland very often.

by timed exposure on May 9, 2005 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd probably boo him
And call for Morrissey to start instead.

by OaktownTribesman on May 10, 2005 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offense will come around...
Ok, I am utterly dissapointed with the A's up to this point.  I thought that they would go through a fair amount of growing pains, but this is definately more than expected (and it is on offense too).  However, I do think that things will get a lot better.  

First off, the A's have 3 players that are switching leagues (Kendall, Thomas, Ginter).  This is traditionally hard for hitters (see last years NL MVP on the Mariners right now).  I think this transition will be over soon and that those 3 hitters will regain their previous form.  Also, Crosby and Swisher are out right now.  That is the AL ROY from last year, and the ROY fav. for this year.  Those injuries hurt too.  Chavy is in his usual slow start.  

All these factors have definately contributed heavily to the loss in offense for the A's.  The important thing to remember is that they are all transient: they will dissapear as time progresses.  

There are about 5 months left in the season.  I think we all need to remember that.  Have patience, and some faith.

by Cy Hudson on May 9, 2005 8:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Something needs to be done.
I'll leave it up to Billy, but it's disheartening and just plain boring to watch our team not score runs. All those good pitching performances wasted. I don't even look forward to the games now because as soon as the other team puts up 3 runs you get the feeling that it's over.

Until they start scoring they're not competitive and it's not entertaining, it's just sad. Hopefully we'll steal at least one in Boston and not get shutout twice.

Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects. - Will Rogers

by McFood on May 9, 2005 8:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what about Overbay
in his column, Gammons also mentions Overbay as a potential trade when the brewers bring up prince fielder. his numbers, including slgging this year are outstanding, he makes $446k this year, and I think 1 more year before arb. might be wrong, and maybe there's no way they trade him, but you know they wanna get prince some time this year, and overbay won't just be benched. he's just 28 as well.

by giambizombie on May 9, 2005 9:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Overbay
Overbay = Hatteberg = Durazo = Dan Johnson

No way.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is a lefty
so maybe that's a big negative for our lineup. but his stats this year:
.352    .496    .648    1.143
are pretty spectacular, and a career stat of:
.297    .389    .469    .858
BA  OBP SLG OPS
sort of overshadow hatte,  and certainly DJ, much to my wishing that weren't the case -
although durazo is about the same, careerwise
durazo: .283    .384    .492    .875
but overbay is off to killer start this year and is much cheaper. weather Milwaukee wants to trade him is another issue entirely. If I had to bet, I'd say they wouldn't.

by giambizombie on May 9, 2005 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Solid year by Overbay (I don't follow the Brew-Crew).  There is no way they trade this guy...but, I'm hoping DJ can be a Lyle Overbay in a couple years, so no need.
Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

= nick johnson
"What's the ugliest part of your body...some say your nose, some say your toes, but i think it's your MIND." - Mothers of Invention

by redclay22 on May 9, 2005 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nick looks good this year
his stats -
.318    .438    .486    .924
but career he's:
.261    .379    .424    .803

the man knows how to take a walk though - making almost 1.5mil this year, dunno where he's at next year -

by giambizombie on May 9, 2005 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blaime Macha or mr. hitting
But I think the firing of 1 or both may put a fire under this teams ass. Or maybe just a leak in the paper about firing them!!!

by novaoakland on May 9, 2005 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I said on the radio show last week that we should:
Either:
  1. Have Macha set the clubhouse on fire. Take one of everyone's bats and burn them in the shower.
  2. Sign Jeff Tam to a 10 day so he can do him Taminator act.
  3. Fire Macha
All three of these involve fire of some sort, and that IS what this team needs, a spark.

by saint on May 9, 2005 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Got to get some hitters
But this team has won 14 games with little to no offense.

The optimistic implication is, "Hey, we'll win even more once the bats come around."

But maybe a more realistic conclusion is, "It's pure luck that this team has won even that many with the hitting as anemic as it's been, and once the luck runs out, look out below."

Time to pick up a couple of solid hitters (hitters, not walkers -- Kevin Youkilis types need not apply) before the other playoff-hopeful teams get too far away from the A's.

MJB

by MJB on May 9, 2005 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good point on victory total
.... In the A's last 5 victores, four were 'gift-wrapped' ... two v. white sox (balking home tying run, J. Dye's gaffe in RF ... next day, Chiacgo was out of position players before Crede and Guillen got run)

v. M's Sun. May 1st, 'Bert' Boone lost pop-fly in 2-1 loss to A's. A's couldn't have won w/o that gaffe.

and I don't think I have to detail how Friday night's victory was 'gifted' to A's.

the other victory (extras against M's Apr. 30) easily could've been lost with Dotel's ineffectiveness.

The A's are essentially 5 runs and 6 errors away from a 12-game losing streak.

The A's are playing at the level of the Royals (8-23) ... myabe the A's have dragged down the play of the comp to squeak by with these past 5 victories.

The A's didn't affirmatively win any of these five games.

that is a disturbing and frightening trend.

yes, these 14 victories are in the bank, but few of them have been convincing in any way, shape or from.

heck, even the Piros -- a team whose anemic offense brought proper comparisons to Oakland's -- brought out the whuppin' stick yesterday in a 16-2 victory at the BOB !!

someone wrote of the A's pythagorean win total as being 11 at this point, so the A's have been playing 'ahead' of the formulaic pace.

and with a few breaks going against them the A's could easily be two victories below the 'pyth' pace.

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right
my only response is that at least some of the losses were due to equally boneheaded plays by the a's.  

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why didn't we...
keep Jose Guillen?  If I remember correctly, he went to the Angels the following year at a very good price.  Granted he became a problem but he's a very good hitter.

Can anyone elaborate?

by keNbO on May 9, 2005 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He got into it with upper management:
He played the sign me long term card in the middle of a pennant race and Billy frowned on that.

He has apparently been a cancer of sorts on every team he has played on.

Soscia (sp) may have cured that last year, by effectively firing him.

by saint on May 9, 2005 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need a Xavier Nady type ...
He's a player with whom we can also build for the future.  Pedro Feliz may also be an option (although we'd have to give up Dotel for him).

We also need to stick Chavy down in the 7 or 8 hole.  Get him out of the middle of the order where his failures are maginified, yet keep him in the lineup so he can come around.

We need a hot bat now to light the spark.  Matt Watson or Andre Ethier, not Jack Cust or Dan Johnson.  Bring them (or him) and to start right away.  If they don't hit in a few days, sit them down re-evaluate in a week.  Send down some bench players to get AB's in the minors and possibly heat up.

Jason Kendall needs to sit.  He can't hit the ball out of the infield and he can't throw runners out.  Adam Melhuse should at least be playing against righties right now.

Eric Byrnes needs to go, and we can probably get some value for him while reducing payroll.

by iceplant on May 9, 2005 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I keep reading that
there are 5 months left to the season.  Well that's 5 months for the A's to fall further back.  When the A's recovered in the past, they had not only the Big 3, but also veteran pitchers at the back of the rotation who typically gave them solid mid-season performances.  I love the future of our rotation, but Blanton, Haren, and Saarloos/Meyer, are going to have struggles throughout the season - solid game or two followed by a weak game.  It's just the way it is with young starters.  So this team has GOT to improve its hitting to contend - and I would argue by quite a bit.  They can do nothing and wait for Chavez' inevitable breakout and hope for significant improvements by others, or they can try to make an immediate improvement.  One option is to try and ride some hot bats out of Sacto - Watson and Cust are on fire (granted, there's really no place for Cust to play unless you put Durazo at 1B).  Alternatively, you bring in a relatively cheap veteran (Sanders) for spark.  Try those things and if they have short-term value, then maybe do a bigger deal later in the season.  Otherwise, you become a seller at the deadline and reap maximum rewards.  What I would hate to see happen is to trade real value right now for a guy like Sweeney in the hope of squeezing into the playoffs this year because it might not happen anyway.  

by boilerdan on May 9, 2005 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the A's also had Miggy to pull out of slow
... starts in 2001, 2002, 2003 !!

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOW can it be
Can someone tell me how this offense can be worse when we didn't lose anyone from last year, and the 2004 team was pretty bad offesivly, plus we added Kendall.  I just don't get it.  I forsee Billy looking really hard at drafting some hitters.

by crd04us on May 9, 2005 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what's different on this offense
from last year?

The slugging threat of Dye (he at least started the 2004 well) is no longer there. Dye's defense was also better than what the A's have now. Swisher is a rookie, and is now injured. Kielty is hitting decently, but is no Dye on defense.

Kendall is not hitting well (Damian Miller, who also was transitioning from the NL, hit much better from the start, plus played better defense. Then again, he was catching Huddy and Mulder instead of Haren and Blanton.)

Kotsay started slowly last season (better this year).

In 2004 Hatty hit very well from the start, and only tailed off at the end of the season. Byrnes hit well throughout the season. Crosby, despite his many strikeouts, was a slugging threat that is missing this year.

Chavvy's early 2004 season was much better than his early 2005 season. And after a slow start Durazo was on fire last year (he is picking it up this year also).

There are indeed small differences that add up.

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller/Melhuse combined for 20 HRs 89 RBI '04
.... Kendall will he 2 HRs and drive 45 this season.

also, I think Durazo and Byrnes had CAREER years last season and NOT Career-average years.

there's more of a mistake penciling in Durazo and Byrnes's 2004 numbers every year, than there is penciling in Chavez's 'track record' numbers ... and I'm no Chavez apologist.

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durazo led the team last season with 88
.... no A is driving in 80-plus this season.

Double-book it !!

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we are going to spend
more money let's go after a proven hitter. I'm talking about Todd Helton, the Rockies are hurting and going no where and this guy knows how to hit and has hit for a high avg. in the past. Granted he is a 1B we will have to give some one up to get him, Hatteberg, Byrnes and possibly some minor league player(s). Our offense is pretty much dead in the water. HELLO....BILLY?...WE NEED HELP!!!!  

by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Todd Helton
will earn close to 20 mil, and is good but not nearly as good away from Coors.  Helton won't happen.
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Helton
The only way we get involved in a Todd Helton trade is if it's a 3-Way Deal - Kind of like the Beltran deal of last year.  

For instance:

Rockies get:  Dan Johnson (A's),  O. Quinitinilla (A's), Arroyo (RedSox)

Red Sox get:  Todd Helton

A's get:  K. Youkilis (RedSox) and Preston Wilson (Rockies) and Cash (from RedSox)

Then, things look like this:

  1. Kotsay - CF
  2. Kendall - C
  3. Chavez - 3B
  4. Wilson - RF
  5. Durazo - DH
  6. Crosby - SS
  7. Hatteberg - 1B
  8. Youkilis - 2B
  9. Byrnes - LF
I'm really thinking outside the box, but if we're looking to deal w/ anyone, it should be the Rockies.  And then BB can pit the Yankees and RedSox against one another...the team that offers the most trade value & cash, wins!
Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swing away...
You know the adage: A guy (team) is never as bad as his slump or as hot as his streak...I've been preaching patience so far this season, but I admit I am getting as anxious and antsy as the rest of AN.
These guys have proven track records and have just not produced yet...I have no answers or suggestions for change - although maybe some new faces from Sacramento for the next homestand might be part of what we need.

by LongTimeFan on May 9, 2005 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

son
you gotta put the bat on the ball son

by alamedabomber on May 9, 2005 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to bring up a spark
I can't remember if it was last year or the prior year, but Byrnes carried the A's for an entire month or two. He was the new guy. We need to find this year's new guy - somebody who is hot. I CAN'T BELIEVE we are not bringing up whoever is hottest in AAA or AA. This is ridiculous. Thomas is a total waste of a roster spot. Can J. Clark hit? I mean make contact regularly, whether it winds up a hit or not?

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The A's have looked hopeless early every year
Since 2000 it seems like they've sucked in April and/or May. Probably shouldn't give up hope yet.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on May 9, 2005 11:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

MESSAGE
Billy please do something now, don't wait much longer. Pull the trigger on a good deal, after this stretch of games we could really be hurting. We have pitching, now we need offense to keep pace and compete. Thank you.  GO A'S

by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Firing Hudgens
makes no sense, because as everyone in "middle management" knows, if no one is required to listen to you then you become ineffective.

Fiery managers are overrated. Bowa is a terrible manager. Pinella is a pretty good one, but not because he has occasional 5-year old rants.

Get a decent RH power hitter to make the lineup "whole" and then realize that this team isn't bad, it just has little margin for error, meaning that if 2-3 guys underperform or the whole team can't hit with RISP, the team won't win, and if several guys just play to their basic averages, the team can compete.

If the A's were hitting a DISAPPOINTING .250 with RISP, with that one change alone they'd probably be 17-14, 1 game out, and ahead of even their own projections for a team that can contend.

Fill the one need that was obvious before Opening Day, and chill, wait, hope for the best. It's all you can do and it's a long season of many more twists and turns than we've yet seen.

Nico

by Nico on May 9, 2005 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Helton
Just a thought man, we need help.

by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear you
It would be nice to add one more big bat to the lineup that will make opposing pitchers tremble.
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here it is, again...
The only way we get involved in a Todd Helton trade is if it's a 3-Way Deal - Kind of like the Beltran deal of last year.  

For instance:

Rockies get:  Dan Johnson (A's),  O. Quinitinilla (A's), Arroyo (RedSox)

Red Sox get:  Todd Helton

A's get:  K. Youkilis (RedSox) and Preston Wilson (Rockies) and Cash (from RedSox)

Then, things look like this:

Kotsay - CF
Kendall - C
Chavez - 3B
Wilson - RF
Durazo - DH
Crosby - SS
Hatteberg - 1B
Youkilis - 2B
Byrnes - LF

I'm really thinking outside the box, but if we're looking to deal w/ anyone, it should be the Rockies.  And then BB can pit the Yankees and RedSox against one another...the team that offers the most trade value & cash, wins!

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But....
and I'm probably wrong about this since I don't follow them closely, but hasn't Boston's main problem been injured starting pitching?  Adding Helton wouldn't help there.

I also think acquiring Wilson would be a wash vs. who we'd give up (Byrnes?).  He numbers are decent, but when comparing his Coors vs. road stats, he becomes less impressive.

Youkalis would be nice, but Ginter has proven he can hit hrs. and either Ellis or Ginter would have to be dealt elsewhere.

"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
...another reason to get Wilson is draft picks.  He's an unrestrictred FA after this season, and will probably land us 2-First Round Picks.  

Boston has some injury problems w/ pitching, but D. Wells comes back in June and Wade Miller was just added this week...Plus, if the Red Sox could keep the Yankees from getting Helton, don't you think they would try and do it?

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
They have engaged in these kinds of free agent wars before.
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with Wilson
Is that he is not hitting well and when he has hit, it has been in Coors Field; all of his homers have been hit there.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5994

http://www.aslegacy.blogspot.com

by Genaro on May 9, 2005 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta run
We will get one from the Sox tonight. Some one mentioned Sweeney nice choice. Later. GO A'S

by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Again, there are
a lot of ways to play this game. Hitting home runs is only one of them. I think in order to fire on all cylinders, this team has to use some of those tools that were put away when the steroid era arrived. I'm not saying to do this all season. Do it UNTIL the hitting improves and then incorporate all facets of he game. Make this a real baseball team, one that hits to the opposite field, steals a base on the pitcher, bunts for the sacrifice, base hit or squeeze. How about knocking down the middle infielder on the double play? How about a catcher backing up first base from time to time. How about actually running hard to first base every time the ball is in play, fly ball, or not. This kind of stuff will startle other teams, excite the fans and, while they may not win, they sure won't lose like they are now. Fundamentals and hustle by a bunch of overpaid players - that's what I want to see.

by doubleplayer on May 9, 2005 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

huff
I KEEP saying it...3-team deal involving dotel, brynes and a middle infielder for huff and a reliever or minor league lefty

by mbrinda on May 9, 2005 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Give the kids a chance
I think before a trade is made we should give some guys like Watson and Johnson a shot in the lineup. And by 'a shot' I mean more than just starting them in a day game after a night game, or replacing normal starters in the latter innings of a blowout. I mean starting them 4-5 games a week. At this point, we really don't have much to lose.

After a few more weeks, if the offense still hasn't shown signs of pulling out of its hole then we should pursue a trade.  Sweeney sounds ok, if the price is right.

Jonathon

"This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Lets's not bicker and argue about who killed who.... "

by JLeverenz on May 9, 2005 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
The A's have yet to avail themselves of the alternatives they already have even without a trade:
  1. lineup shuffle
  2. bringing up some players
It's only common sense to give these a shot right now.

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

canned macha
call upon Wash baby!!!!!!!

by alamedabomber on May 9, 2005 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get a grip, folks
So much hand wringing and knee jerk analysis. I can only imagine how insane many of you went over the 8-18 start a few years ago. How many wins did the A's have at the end of the season? Over 100, IIRC. Don't worry.

It's true that several players are underperforming. It's true that it makes the team difficult to watch. If you're really an A's fan you should be used to this by now because it's an annual ritual for us. The team will do better. The good news is that nobody else in the division is playing particularly well either. It's not like it was when the M's roared ahead with an outrageously hot start. Billy will find a way to shake things up without damaging the team's long-term health or making scapegoats of people who are simply going through slumps. What happened to "In Billy We Trust" in this so-called Athletics Nation?

by Charlie O on May 9, 2005 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply to "Get A Grip Folks"
Amen Brother!

I totally agree with everything you said right there!  Hey, I like everyone would like a quick fix, but I just do not think it will happen.  As stated, each year it is something different, either bullpen, fielding (only a couple years ago we were close to the bottom in that stat) or hitting.  The A's will get it together, and in the AL West this year, where there is no ironclad ship, we are not out of it by a long shot.

I must admit, it is dis-heartening to see what is going on....as I watched yesterday in the 2nd inning, I just threw my hands up in disgust after the line out to 3rd and said, "typical".  Folks, those hard hit balls that are being hit in the wrong places now will come around for us.  Just a matter of time....we all know that this team is much better than it is performing.......and yes, as you are thinking right now, the turn-around has to happen soon before we get too far in the hole.

Keep your chins up A's fans!!!!  You should be used to it....being a die-hard A's fan can be tough at times, but it is that same tenacity that always pulls us out of the hole!

-tbshaw

by tbshaw on May 9, 2005 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick
question. What's your win total prediction for the A's this year?

by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said 90 before the season
and I'm sticking to it.
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I
said 85-87..and I'm worried...lol...90 wins means going 76-55 the rest of the way..

by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is
that in 2001 we knew we had a great team from the beginning of the season and that eventually they would pull out of their funk and make a run at the wild card.
 The team this year has a lot more questions about it, and it very well could be the case that they just aren't that good. That means Beane has to be act sooner than usual if he wants this team to contend.

Jonathon

"This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Lets's not bicker and argue about who killed who.... "

by JLeverenz on May 9, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite
No. In 2001 we were confident but we weren't certain about the team, especially after the 8-18 start. We also had another powerhouse team in the division which we do not have this year. In 2001, the A's could have won 110 games and still finished second. This year, it may take only 90 wins to finish first. They can do that. There's no need to panic. Beane certainly needs to shake things up but he doesn't need any of the foolish proposals that are being tossed around here.

by Charlie O on May 10, 2005 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huff and puff
aubrey will blow the house down.

go get him billy!

These aren't the droids you're looking for...move along

by Mark Brinda on May 9, 2005 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

get's on the Huff train!
he's good: .307/.364/.542/.888 over the last three years

he's cheap: $4.75 million in 2005 and $6.75 million in 2006

he's young: 28

he's durable: 600+ ABs in ech of the last two years

he's in the AL

he's a slow starter, so current numbers are not a concern

he can hit LHPs (.311/.357/.482/.839) even though he's a lefty

c'mon...sweeney and sanders don't even compare.  if there is ANY way that the A's can get him by giving up a combination of Dotel, Byrnes, middle infielders and prospects, they should absolutely do it.

These aren't the droids you're looking for...move along

by Mark Brinda on May 9, 2005 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the farm
Do we have anyone on the farm that can help.  Yes Johnson,Watson and Rouse might help but we are not going to throw away the season just yet by promoting rookies.  

Why is it that the A's never stick with rookies.  If they are not on fire or play some what decent we give up on them.  And can someone win the second base job.  Every day I look in the paper and it is a shuffle between Marco, Ellis and Ginter.  

Consistancy people

by crd04us on May 9, 2005 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget about
Ginter.  We need to find more ways to get him into the game.  He can provide some pop from the right side of the plate and he plays all of two games a week.  

I'd like to see what he can bring to our offense in a full-time role.  If that means benching Scutaro or Ellis, I'm all for it at this point.

by keNbO on May 9, 2005 4:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Use Ginter More -- Make Scutaro Designated Sac Man
This may sound crazy but think it through. There's no bigger Scutaro fan than me. The guy puts in more quality at bats in clutch situations than anybody else on the team (with possible exception of Hattie or Kotsay). That does not always lead to walk-off homers or even hits, but almost always a quality at bat and quite often a single, sacrifice or walk. That said, I have suggested awhile ago having a designated hitter who is actively brought in in crucial situations (other batters egos be damned) when only a sacrifice is needed to score the tying or leading run. (ie anytime a man is on third with 0 or 1 out near the end of a close game). GO FOR THE ONE RUN!!! and hope the closers can close. Yes, that means pulling the pop-up and strikeout prone rest of the team.

So I agree with keNbO. Let's give Ginter a chance to develop his AL game and his pop, and use Scutaro in as many games as possible in clutch situations. It sounds different. But when you think about it, it's very rational to put a clutch hitter in a clutch situation when only 1 run is needed. His job would simply be to put good wood on the ball and beat out throws to first.

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall needs to do a Moises Alou
Let's get some urine on that bat.
Kielty too

by H3liCat on May 9, 2005 8:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Hitting
With endorsements like this...

"I have never known a better hitting coach than Dave Hudgens. His program has kept me at the top of my game ever since I signed with the A's"
Eric Chavez,
Oakland A's, AL All Star 3B

...Hudgen's DVDs must be selling like hotcakes!

Top of my game now means hitting below the Mendoza line and being quoted in the paper as saying, "I have no clue.  I really don't."

"The bigger the game, the better he pitched."

by Catfish27 on May 9, 2005 8:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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