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Who is the biggest Jerk? A new AN poll.

Who is the biggest Jerk in baseball?  Enter your answer below.  There are many other worthy candidates besides the ones I listed below, but I ran out of options in the poll.

My vote is for Pierzynski.  Besides his antics against the A's in the 2002 playoffs, he is widely disliked by his pitchers, is considered lazy, and worst of all, intentionally kneed his trainer in the nuts last year as the trainer tried to help him.  As bad as Bonds is, he never did anything like that.  He's a genuine bad apple.

Poll
The biggest jerk in baseball is...
Donald Fehr
15 votes
Bud Selig
42 votes
Other
23 votes
Milton Bradley
24 votes
Pedro Martinez
19 votes
Barry Bonds
175 votes
A.J. Pierzynski
255 votes
George Steinbrenner
34 votes
Frank Francisco
16 votes
Roger Clemens
37 votes

640 votes | Poll has closed

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Kneed his trainer in the jimmy?
that's not right..

by oakwin2004 on Mar 15, 2005 2:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here is an excerpt
From a SF Chronicle story about the incident published 2 months ago:

""One of those now-it-can-be-told stories the White Sox, A.J. Pierzynski's new employer, surely haven't heard: During a Giants exhibition game last spring, Pierzynski took a shot to his, shall we say, private parts. Trainer Stan Conte rushed to the scene, placed his hands on Pierzynski's shoulders in a reassuring way, and asked how it felt. "Like this," said Pierzynski, viciously delivering a knee to Conte's groin. It was a real test of professionalism for the enraged Conte, who vowed to ignore Pierzynski for the rest of the season until Conte realized how that would look. The incident went unreported because all of the beat writers happened to be doing in-game interviews in the clubhouse, but it was corroborated by a half-dozen eyewitnesses who could hardly believe their eyes. Said one source, as reliable as they come: "There is absolutely no doubt that it happened." ... ""

"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time." -Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Mar 15, 2005 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if
A.J. knows Chris Paul from Wake Forest?  Kneeing or punching a guy in the nuts is a crime against all malekind.

by ervance on Mar 15, 2005 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More A.J. stuff from last year
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4875331/

The latest incident reportedly occurred before Wednesday's game against the Atlanta Braves, when two players confirmed to the Tribune that Pierzynski ignored starting pitcher Brett Tomko's request to go over opposing hitters. Instead, the players said, Pierzynski resumed playing cards for another 20 minutes.

"I've never in all my years seen a catcher who didn't watch video before games," one pitcher told the newspaper. "He doesn't watch hitters -- other than the Twins games when they're on TV."

Also, according to two Giants players, the Padres' Phil Nevin said Pierzynski was criticizing Giants pitchers while Nevin was at the plate.

"That did it for me," one Giants pitcher told the Tribune. "If a pitching staff doesn't have the respect of their catcher, that's it. That's what it's all about.

by gotgreen on Mar 15, 2005 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and the most recent
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/specials/spring_training/2005/03/07/bc.bbo.giants .whitesox.ap/

Joe Borchard, trying to make the team as a reserve outfielder, homered in the second and sixth innings for the White Sox.

After the game, Borchard found a $100 bill awaiting him at his locker, not knowing who it was from.

He later learned A. J. Pierzynski had offered $100 to any of his new White Sox teammates that hit a home run off Brett Tomko.

by gotgreen on Mar 15, 2005 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well, i guess he was busy....
....playing cards by himself.
My CPA says-"Damn, you must really hate this time of year". I said-"Don't worry, I just bought a thousand shares of Astropitch."

by bigelephant on Mar 15, 2005 7:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Albert Belle Memorial Trophy
They should give it out every year.

by asadasam on Mar 15, 2005 9:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember....
Last spring training I was listening to an A's/Giant's broadcast ... it went something like this..

Bill King: And AJ grounds out to 2nd base
Ray Rosse: As you can see AJ should be hitting the gym more often than hitting krispy kreme.
BK: So Ray - are you saying that AJ has "catchers legs".
RF: No Bill, I'm saying he's fat.

LOL!!!!

I couldn't believe Fosse said that....  

by Kaybeejay on Mar 16, 2005 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right on Ray
Funny stuff!
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time." -Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Mar 16, 2005 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how...
bonds has more votes then francisco or steinbrenner or selig is way beyond me
I hate any player thats got the initials NY on them!

by TorontoAsFan on Mar 15, 2005 2:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that guy should retire
before he further insults the memory of Henry Aaron, and other noble athletes of the past.

by Brian in 317 on Mar 15, 2005 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A.J.
all the way!

by gotgreen on Mar 15, 2005 2:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How does Canseco not make that list?
Oh, I almost forgot...

He's not in baseball anymore.

"I refuse to belong to any club which would accept someone like me as a member." - Groucho Marx

by McFood on Mar 15, 2005 2:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

where is that retarded
how did that stupid 'speedy the baseball' or what-ever FOX called him not make the list either?  
"What I'm trying to do is set our pitching up for five years," said Beane

by Satchmo22 on Mar 15, 2005 3:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Scooter
Good suggestion. Death to Scooter.

by Vic on Mar 15, 2005 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm stumped....
Each jerk is bigger than the next....

Maybe I'll just close my eyes and blindly stab at the screen to make my pick....which should be amusing for my co-workers.

by LD on Mar 15, 2005 3:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's like
each one is another point on the Richter scale of jerkitude.
MJB

by MJB on Mar 15, 2005 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's like voting for inductees
into the Baseball Hall of Shame.
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time." -Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Mar 15, 2005 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pierzynski
I'd have to say Pierzynski.  As soon as he got traded to the Giants, I stopped hating the Twins and hated the Giants with renewed vigor.  And that was before I knew he kneed his trainer in the nuts.  Ought to tell you plenty.

by dchu on Mar 15, 2005 3:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pierzynski
Gads, did you hear the crowd boo him during the A's game with the White Sox over the weekend?  They were just mercilous every time he came to bat.  

by batgirl on Mar 15, 2005 4:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'll be one of them too
When the White Sox come to town.
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time." -Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Mar 15, 2005 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clemens and Big Mac
Flat out. Clemens is obvious. Mikey is becoming more so everyday, especially when he inevitably lies in front of congress.
I still think that the claim that he intentionally placed the andro to cover for his roid use sounds quite reasonable, or at least pretty clever.
Maybe something i haven't even heard of before...

by slapnuts on Mar 15, 2005 4:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Entire Blo Sux team
"L-I-L-L-Y" says it all. Varitek, Millar, et al- biggest bunch of jerks in baseball.

by OaktownTribesman on Mar 15, 2005 4:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget ...
manny ramirez. i hate that guy.

by gotgreen on Mar 15, 2005 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and...
Derek Lowe.  Ugh. :(
Whoever invented the frickin SAT was seriously disturbed. Ugh.

by ChavysGrl3 on Mar 15, 2005 4:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

damn right, i HATE lowe
p.s. you know, when you write that little saying you now need to tell us what you score :-)
My CPA says-"Damn, you must really hate this time of year". I said-"Don't worry, I just bought a thousand shares of Astropitch."

by bigelephant on Mar 15, 2005 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

aw man
are you stuck taking the new SAT?

by kat on Mar 15, 2005 7:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately
it sucks majorly.  It really sucks becuase i'm the first class taking the new one and it's SUPER long.  Plus studying for the stupid thing takes away precious time that i could be using on AN or obsessing over Chavvy.
Whoever invented the frickin SAT was seriously disturbed. Ugh.

by ChavysGrl3 on Mar 15, 2005 9:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

George
I voted for Steinbrenner, but I live in New York so I have to read about his nonsence all the time. I would have thrown in David Wells, Jeff Nelson and Randy Johnson as canidates,also.

by Babitts on Mar 15, 2005 4:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Alas for Baseball
that there are such a plethora of options.
The triple of Jeremy Brown's imagination was, in reality, a home run.

by ArakSOT on Mar 15, 2005 4:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At first glance
we seem to have a huge amount of guys to choose from..

but just think how big the list would be if you did it for Football or Basketball.

"I'm good because I ground out to second a lot!" ~ Darin Erstad

by Zonis on Mar 15, 2005 5:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

None of the above.
Since I don't know any of them personally.  I usually try to refrain from judging people until I get to know them.  

I just don't see how someone could call another person a jerk, an asshole, etc. without actually knowing them.  

You guys should try it sometime.

by bmqball on Mar 15, 2005 5:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Someone who knees someone
in the nads, when there is no provocation, is a jerk.  Period.
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time." -Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Mar 15, 2005 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frank Francisco
He threw a chair at A's fans. No one else on this list has ever attacked a fan. He's not even going to jail for either. He's the biggest jerk. I can't believe he's only gotten 2% so far.

by kent on Mar 15, 2005 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Francisco
I think it's because nobody really thinks of him as a "jerk", but rather as a "crazy bloodthirsty psycho" instead.

by OaktownTribesman on Mar 15, 2005 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Francisco too
I'm with you - this one's a no brainer.  Yeh all those other guys are dicks, but there's no contest here.

by nickolai on Mar 15, 2005 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

derek lowe anyone???
"If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball." -Patches O'Houlihan

by apocalyptica on Mar 15, 2005 5:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

my vote
would have gone to lowe if he was on that list

by StocktonJew on Mar 15, 2005 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i voted for bonds
because he's literally the biggest (wonder why?).

by Brian in 317 on Mar 15, 2005 5:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I voted for AJ...
although it was a tough choice.  There's so many jerks in professional sports that its hard to choose a leader.  Derek Lowe gets consideration, even if he isnt on the list.  As does Bonds of course...but AJ is a huge Jerk.

by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 15, 2005 5:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

how did scott boras go so unrepresented
he's the jerk dog of all jerks

by panchopunch on Mar 15, 2005 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

damn straight
I hate Boras. In my eyes, the Giants are kinda redeemed because they wont deal with him.

by SwishMix on Mar 15, 2005 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

UMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
JASON VARITEK

He was the ahole who tagged out Byrnes AND Miggy in "that game we don't like to remember."  

At least Byrnes pushed him, albeit before he tagged up, and after he was out.

hate that guy

by robber23 on Mar 15, 2005 7:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tim mccarver
For being a horrid annoucer who has jeter DNA on his nose.

by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 15, 2005 8:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha!
Thanks for the visual...yuuuck!
"I refuse to belong to any club which would accept someone like me as a member." - Groucho Marx

by McFood on Mar 16, 2005 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Paul
Paul O'Neill
Can't stand the guy

by Furious George on Mar 15, 2005 10:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for a wonderful post
That's all.  Just....thanks.  Nice work.  Best thread in a long time.

by Schinto on Mar 15, 2005 10:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I second that
good post.

Those were some good choices, but it was easy once I thought about it. I voted Pyrzinski. I remembered his antics during the 2002 playoffs and it just ticked me off.
It also says something when your own teammates dislike you.

by sf drift king on Mar 15, 2005 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Guiel
Come to think of it, have you ever seen a bigger jerk than Aaron Guiel? Ugh, I mean, he makes AJ Pierzynski look like your best friend.

by OaktownTribesman on Mar 16, 2005 5:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rickey!
Met fans would be virtually unanimous on this. Henderson and Bonilla were playing cards during the crucial last inning of the Met's final playoff game. Rickey is absolutely loathed in the Big Apple.

Or, read "Loose Like A Goose," the autobiography of Goose Gossage. Gossage calls Rickey the "worst teammate I ever had" and was interested solely in himself. Moreover, Gossage says Henderson ruined Canseco by encouraging him to concentrate on HR's and ignore other areas of Jose's game.

And who can forget Rickey's ego-maniac comment when he broke Lou Brock's stolen base record with Brock in attendance: "Now I am the greatest!"

As Captain Carney said, Henderson was "a cancer on the A's team."

by reztips on Mar 16, 2005 8:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well
Rickey is our jerk..so lay off him.

by oakwin2004 on Mar 16, 2005 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Give Rickey a break ...
It's not so much that he is a jerk because I don't think he understands how offensive he is.  I think Rickey is more of an idiot who just doesn't get it.  He's just plain dumb.

by iceplant on Mar 16, 2005 9:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I Love Rickey Henderson
but your appraisal, iceplant, may be right.

My favorite Rickey story is from he was on the Mets. In Spring Training he says to John Olerud, "Last year, on the Blue Jays, we had a guy who wore a batting helmet in the field just like you."

And Olerud says, "I know. That was me."

The only teammate Rickey can remember is Rickey.

by Eck on Mar 16, 2005 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Classic
I hadn't heard that one... lmao
The triple of Jeremy Brown's imagination was, in reality, a home run.

by ArakSOT on Mar 16, 2005 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True
but in Rickey's defense it wasn't last year. Rickey played for the Jays in 93-94 I believe and the mets in around 2000. But the point is made..rickey only knows rickey...funny shit

by oakwin2004 on Mar 16, 2005 1:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That Rickey/Olerud story...
...is apocryphal. It never happened.

by jrbh on Mar 16, 2005 1:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Are you Sure?
It could be an urban legend, but it's kind of an odd rumor to start.

by Eck on Mar 16, 2005 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So whose
authenticity are you questioning? what do you base your statement on?

by oakwin2004 on Mar 16, 2005 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no . i read where that story is true.
My CPA says-"Damn, you must really hate this time of year". I said-"Don't worry, I just bought a thousand shares of Astropitch."

by bigelephant on Mar 16, 2005 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jrbh knows everything
Just ask him and he'll tell you so. Apocryphal!

by Reg on Mar 16, 2005 9:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Olerud Story True
The Rickey/Olerud story IS true. The only folks who don't believe it are jrbk, his pal OAFC queen Lil Bartholo, and her mindless followers.

The story has been recited by plenty of credible sports people, among them the Chron's Tom Fitzgerald, Jim Rome, and Sports Illustrated.

'Course, some foolish Rickey lovers opine that he wasn't playing cards in the clubhouse with Bonilla during the Mets' last playoff game either...

by reztips on Mar 16, 2005 3:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dude,
what have you got against Lil and OAFC?

I used to have some very good discussions with her and the rest of the gang.

devo's gf: "what is it that you write about all day when they don't even play any games?"

by devo on Mar 16, 2005 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Book Burner
Devo, you had good discussions with someone who actually boasts that she burned her professors' books when she allegedly studied at the Sorbonne?

When Bartholo and her mindless followers dominated the old SFGate A's forum, they called anyone who disagreed with them the worst sort of eptithets. Then when posters finally had enough and stood up to her, she dropped off the Gate website like the true bully that she is.

And those who don't agree with her stance on Oakland being the only possible Bay Area of the A's get thrown off her OAFC website. One might conclude that such censorial habits come naturally to one who boasts about exhibiting the fascist proclivity for burning books...

As a corollary, she twists facts to support her biases and concocts stories to the same end. Moreover, Bartholo has always had contempt for Billy Beane, although she has more recently tried to hide it in view of Billy's manifest success, realizing how foolish she would look to once again slam the game's most brilliant GM.

by reztips on Mar 16, 2005 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I boast that
in college I could drink anybody under the table. I once pounded 35 in just over an hour (20 shots of vodka, 6 beers, 9 glasses of everclear punch). Who doesn't boast about stupid things they did in college?

There are plenty of people on this board who are less than worshipful of Billy Beane. That's no crime.

I often found myself on the opposite side of a debate from Lil and I never got banned or anything of the sort from the site. The regs were interesting and informative. I had very good times there and if you've gotten to know me at all, here at AN, you'd know I'm not one to follow a crowd.

devo's gf: "what is it that you write about all day when they don't even play any games?"

by devo on Mar 16, 2005 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

devo
you're a drunk!!!!
My CPA says-"Damn, you must really hate this time of year". I said-"Don't worry, I just bought a thousand shares of Astropitch."

by bigelephant on Mar 16, 2005 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No I'm not!!!!!
I USED to be a drunk.

Now I'm just a recreational drinker.

devo's gf: "what is it that you write about all day when they don't even play any games?"

by devo on Mar 16, 2005 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

once a drunk always a drunk ;-)
My CPA says-"Damn, you must really hate this time of year". I said-"Don't worry, I just bought a thousand shares of Astropitch."

by bigelephant on Mar 17, 2005 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Her Biases & Falsehoods Speak Volumes
40 years after the fact, Bartholo still thinks she was right to burn her professors' books, along with other Stalinists. If that doesn't bother you, there is nothing I can say...

And if you didn't mind the incessant bitching and moaning on OAFC with Bartholo setting the tone-- about a team that was and is a regular contender, there is nothing I can say...

And if you thinks Beane totally kissed up to the A's owners as Bartholo did, there is little I can say...

And if you don't mind the ridiculous notions bearing no correspondence in fact by Bartholo: to whit, the owner of the Sacramento Bee (now owner of the Pirates) was ever considered a viable bidder for the A's by the Haas family (in truth, Schott and Hoffman were the only bidders who and did keep the A's in the Bay Area--nobody else was considered) or that AJ Hinch was a better defensive catcher than Terry Steinbach (Bartholo hated Steiny because Terry respected TLR, someone Bartholo loathed), etc., etc., there is nothing I can say...

by reztips on Mar 16, 2005 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
You've got quite a file on A's message board happenings past and present... Keep it coming, I love the gossip! :)

by OaktownTribesman on Mar 16, 2005 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if you google the Rickey-Olerud story,
what you mostly get is articles debunking it.

Baseballlibrary.com says it's false, and actually identifies the source: a Toronto sportswriter who made it up as a joke. answers.com is another of many web sites which also debunk the story. One of the other sites I looked at even noted that SI ran a correction the week after the Rickey/Olerud story appeared, saying it never happened.

by jrbh on Mar 17, 2005 2:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

JRBH Appears to Be Correct
Thanks for setting us straight.

From Answers.com:

"One widely reported story, however, is by all accounts a fabrication. Supposedly while playing for Seattle, Henderson went up to John Olerud, a former teammate with the New York Mets, and asked why Olerud wore a batting helmet out on the field, noting that he, "Used to have a teammate in New York who did the same thing." To which Olerud replied, "That was me." A funny story, to be sure, but one apparently invented by a third party; both Henderson and Olerud have denied it ever happened."

Not only did I repeat an urban legend as fact, but I also got the teams wrong. (I forgot Rickey ever played for the Mariners.) Sorry about that guys.

I guess we have another example to chalk up in the "Don't Believe Everything You Read on the Internet" category.

by Eck on Mar 17, 2005 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So, why isn't Donald Fehr's percentage rising
And speaking of another collectivist jerk, how about Rob Manfred (VP Baseball labor).  Idiots just keep pissing off the congress...to the point where those (the congress) dumb bastards are going to the altruistic and benevolent thing and pass ridiculous law that will require the federal government's oversight.  Truly stupid all the way around but particularly on the part of the MLB labor union who is provoking the congress by being so flippant and irreverent.

by LowcountryJoe on Mar 17, 2005 6:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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