Buzz Bissinger's Three Nights in August (and Moneyball)
I know there's another diary touching on how La Russa and Bissnger's takes on Moneyball, but I found an excerpt from his upcoming book Three Nights in August that expands on it.
In the fallout of Michael Lewis's provocative book Moneyball,
baseball front offices are increasingly being populated by thirtysomethings
whose most salient qualifications are MBA degrees and who come equipped
with a clinical ruthlessness: The skills of players don't even have to be
observed but instead can be diagnosed by adept statistical analysis through
a computer. These thirtysomethings view players as pieces of an assembly
line; the goal is to quantify the inefficiencies that are slowing down production
and then to improve on it with cost-effective player parts.
In this new wave of baseball, managers are less managers than
middle managers, functionaries whose strategic options during a game
require muzzlement, there only to effect the marching orders coldly
calculated and passed down by upper management. It is wrong to say that
the new breed doesn't care about baseball. But it's not wrong to say that
there is no way they could possibly love it, and so much of baseball is about
love. They don't have the sense of history, which to the thirtysomethings is
largely bunk. They don't have the bus trips or the plane trips. They don't carry
along the tradition, because they couldn't care less about the tradition. They
have no use for the lore of the game--the poetry of its stories-- because it
can't be broken down and crunched into a computer. Just as they have no
interest in the human ingredients that make a player a player and make a
game a game: heart, desire, passion, reactions to pressure. After all, these
are emotions, and what point are emotions if they can't be quantified?
http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?textType=excerpt&titleNumber=688947
First, no stat-head/thirtysomething has ever said that baseball's history is bunk. That's a ridiculous statement, and I don't have the energy to bother too much with it.
But for this I have plenty of energy:
It is wrong to say that the new breed doesn't care about baseball. But it's not wrong to say that there is no way they could possibly love it, and so much of baseball is about love.
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this. It's a blanket statement that feels like it was written more for dramatics than anything else. I just don't see how being a member of this "new breed" inhibits a person from loving the game. If I'm DePodesta, I have to love the game to stay and put up with the insane amount of BS streaming from the local critics.
Are people really so ignorant that they can believe something like this? Or is it just a jab at something the writer doesn't understand or disagrees with? If it's the latter, I think it's getting to the point where it's mean-spirited. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but I can't help feeling that way. I listen to these "baseball men" comment on Billy Beane, Moneyball, stat-heads, and the new breed...and I see a bully beating up on some dorky kid...constantly.
I've never traveled on a plane with any team. I've never spoken to a baseball player in my life. I've witnessed, first-hand, six major league baseball games. I probably haven't been alive long anough to wax poetic about the history of the game...at least not from a personal point of view. I miss Paul DePodesta. I'm really excited about having Gary Huckabay work with my favorite team. And I'm going to watch as many A's games as I can this season even if most baseball "experts" say the team is going to tank...mostly b/c I trust Billy Beane. I'll be damned if Bissinger thinks that I don't love baseball.
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Well DUH
by OaktownTribesman on Feb 16, 2005 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Billy Beane
No Offense
by applejack on Feb 16, 2005 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
He wrote that in the 90s
dude
by Cutthemullet on Feb 16, 2005 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Just because
totally right...
William Shakespeare is a genius. I doubt Buzz Bissinger is in the same league as Shakespeare. :)
by GreenNGoldGirl on Feb 16, 2005 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
You're right ...
No...
by secret ASian man on Feb 16, 2005 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I can't roll my eyes enough
Yeah, I had such fond memories
I wish they had a Matt Stairs bobblehead, btw.
I gotta say
To say that Paul DePodesta or J.P. Ricciardi or David Forst don't love the game is criminal.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Feb 16, 2005 6:44 PM PST reply actions
MORE than the scout-types
Great post, Zonk.
Writing should not be merely the recording on paper of the path of one's random mental maunderings, but requires at least some minimal "due diligence," some effort to ascertain whether your notions correspond to reality. And as you say, his statements are wrong--not just wrong, but flatly, demonstrably wrong, and easily seen to be so with even the most cursory, lackadaisical effort to find out. Ol' Buzz Biss's bit doesn't qualify as "thought" at all; it's mere prejudice.
I was one of many...
Even now I still can't help thinking of you
Like McFood, I'd assumed you were a guy, Zonker Harris from Doonesbury being the only precedent I had in mind for your name. And then one day, I watched as you "morphed."
Good fun, and it was all perfectly legal.
hee
I prefer using my real name. The change seems to have quelled the notion that Jennifer and I make a cute couple. Not that I don't like Jennifer...but...ya know. We lean towards the Hudsons, Mulders, and Crosbys :)
cute couple
(Not that there's anything wrong with that!)
It was a little more than that...
PS- I would like to add Harden to the list of people we lean toward.
For Sharon -
You clearly love baseball, or you wouldn't be wasting your time with baseball thoughts in February.
Remember: BOOK WRITERS MAKE MONEY BY SELLING BOOKS. He's trying to muck around and stir people up; he's also trying to glom onto the popularity of "m-ball" by seeming to answer it. Believe me, this guy has no answer to it.
Sharon, what struck me most about your post, and I think where you (and many modern A's fans) and Mr. B perhaps differ most. Baseball has indeed always been about "Personalities" (and their interesting anecdotal stories have molded our view of these personalities). In the past, your post would have mentioned a prominent and heroic player, but you have pinpointed a prominent and heroic general manager. In baseball history terms, your attitude is pretty strange. Fans are supposed to follow PLAYERS, not GMs.
As we all know, it has been really painful to lose Giambi, Tejada, Hudson, and Mulder, and yet it amazes me how many fans are willing to move on, in the trust of Billy Beane!!!
The only similar historical instances of Cults of Personality for front office folks that I can think of would be for Branch Rickey, Connie Mack or (heaven forbid) George Steinb^$#@%&r, and in each of those cases I think that the players were still the main focuses of fans of their teams (except maybe with Mack in the fifties).
As someone who remembers baseball before there was such a thing as a League Championship Series (the sixties) I find it strange how transient players in the modern era have become. The new era of fans, I suppose, are more used to it than my (and, I expect, Mr. B's) g-g-g-generation.
So don't worry, Sharon, it's Mr. B who "can't get his mind around this", not you. Go see some baseball games this year (you've got to get into double figures!).
More baseball games
As for what you wrote on the "Cult of Personality" behavior that some fans have displayed for front office figures, it is a bit strange. I suppose this strangeness fuels the things written by people like Bissinger. I wonder about fans that may not express their fondness for Beane...maybe it's due to the criticism that BB receives...but maybe it has more to do with the critism that a fan would receive in having a rooting interest for someone who doesn't play on the field. It's okay to root for players like Hudson and Mulder. It's perfectly fine to be upset and sick to your stomach when they're traded. But it's not normal to root for BB, or want to strangle someone when you find out he's leaving for Boston. At least that's what the media tells us.
In a perfect world, I would love to have Hudson, Mulder, AND BB. But it's not perfect, and I'm certain that if I had to choose I'd have Billy make those trades once again.
TheFull Name
by jarforcefatherofforce on Feb 16, 2005 10:03 PM PST reply actions
Extreme Old Schoolism
by silas on Feb 16, 2005 10:22 PM PST reply actions
Baseball romanticism
As much as I enjoyed Moneyball, I always found that aspect of the book a bit annoying. I understood Lewis was doing it to make a point, that the assumptions baseball people have made are frequently wrong, leading to marketplace inefficiencies. But there's a happy medium, something I believe Billy Beane understands. You can't do everything with a pile of statistics.
I can certainly understand that there's more appeal in hanging around baseball guys, listening to their stories, than in analyzing a bunch of statistics with Ivy League business school graduates. And the baseball guys aren't always wrong.
But Tony LaRussa isn't the ideal of the old-time baseball guy anyway. Yeah, he's been around forever, he orders retaliation for beanball pitches in a very old-school way, and says he loves traditional National League baseball. But he's also the guy who set up his bullpen in a mechanical fashion so that Dennis Eckersley could waltz out for the ninth with no runners to bother him. His pitching coach was and is a former catcher. He used plenty of statistics when managing the A's, and he's an animal-loving lawyer for crying out loud.
It's a culture clash, but I also think the whole old school/stathead battle is overstated.
This is why washington would be perfect
There, I've said my piece.
by tblazrdude on Feb 17, 2005 5:40 AM PST reply actions

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