How Good is Tony LaRussa?
BP published an interesting, although not very satisfying, look at Tony LaRussa's career. I didn't realize that if he wins 80 more games, he will have the third most wins of all-time, behind Connie Mack and John McGraw.
BP compares his past teams' Pythagorean projections for win totals with the teams' actual number of wins. Managers that have more wins than are projected are good managers. I'm skeptical that is the best way to determine how effective a manager is. By that formula, Macha was a freakin' genius last year, since the A's won five more games than projected.
LaRussa won only 16 games more than projected over his entire career, which suggests that he is actually an average manager. Or, it could also mean managers don't have much of an effect on games. Or, it could mean that this is not a good way of evaluating managers. Here is what BP says:
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3749
"Genius?: That Tony LaRussa, he's been around a long time. This year will mark his tenth year at the helm of the Cards, and that's after years managing the White Sox and the A's before arriving by the Mississippi. He's moved up to seventh on the all-time list for managerial wins, and with 80 wins this year, he'll vault all the way to number three, behind only Connie Mack and John McGraw. This offseason, he signed a deal that will keep him in the dugout at Busch Stadium through the 2007 season.
So, is the guy any good? How could we tell? What about looking at the difference between his team's projected wins and its actual wins? Wouldn't we expect that a great manager's teams would consistenly outperform their Pythagorean projection, owing to the effects of his acumen and wisdom?
Year Team W L RS RA PytW Delta Finish
1980 CHA 70 90 587 722 65 5 5
1981 CHA 54 52 476 423 59 -5 3/6
1982 CHA 87 75 786 710 89 -2 3
1983 CHA 99 63 800 650 96 3 1
1984 CHA 74 88 679 736 75 -1 6
1985 CHA 85 77 736 720 83 2 3
1987 OAK 81 81 806 789 83 -2 3
1988 OAK 104 58 800 620 100 4 AL 1
1989 OAK 99 63 712 576 97 2 WS 1
1990 OAK 103 59 733 570 99 4 AL 1
1991 OAK 84 78 760 773 79 5 4
1992 OAK 96 66 745 672 89 7 1
1993 OAK 68 94 715 846 69 -1 7
1994 OAK 51 63 549 588 53 -2 2
1995 OAK 67 77 730 761 69 -2 4
1996 STL 88 74 759 706 86 2 1
1997 STL 73 89 689 708 79 -6 4
1998 STL 83 79 810 782 84 -1 3
1999 STL 75 86 809 838 78 -3 4
2000 STL 95 67 887 771 91 4 1
2001 STL 93 69 814 684 94 -1 1
2002 STL 97 65 787 648 95 2 1
2003 STL 85 77 876 796 88 -3 3
2004 STL 105 57 855 659 100 5 NL 1
We're only including full seasons, so 1986, when LaRussa split time between Chicago and Oakland is left out. PytW is the wins predicted by the Pythagorean Theorem, using 1.83 as the exponent.
That's 10 division titles, four pennants and one world title in 24 full seasons of filling out lineup cards and calling sac bunts. Over the course of all those thousands of games, LaRussa's teams have, in fact, outperformed their Pythagorean projections...by a grand total of 16 wins. Which, frankly, isn't that many.
Now, before anyone gets all hysterical, we'll admit this is really a toy, and not a way of rigorously analyzing the effect of a manager. But it does illustrate a point: the genius manager might be the most overstated cliché in the game.
At this point, we know the optimal strategy in many game situations--it's hard to imagine a manager gaining a huge edge there. The idea of the Wizard of Oz pulling levers and besting his counterpart in a battle of wits is simply outdated, Lloyd McClendon aside. This doesn't mean that some managers don't do a better job of game management than others (Dusty Baker, I'm looking at you, dude), and certainly, the managment of a pitching staff is still a big deal (you again, Dusty).
What statistics can't capture is what is increasingly the real job of a manager: dealing with people. This is the era of manager as soother, facilitator, confidant, ego-stroker and vibe-generator. Those aren't things that you can measure or quantify. Perhaps when it comes to managers, intangibles are what matter."
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Tony LaRussA...
Great manager.
by Kaybeejay on Feb 10, 2005 10:57 AM PST reply actions
How many managers survive as long...
Only one: John McGraw. (Connie Mack doesn't count, for obvious reasons.) That alone should put him in the Hall.
I don't know if he invented the modern bullpen, but he was certainly one of the guys who did, and that's pretty significant.
I do think he missed a huge opportunity, though. He's clearly established himself as a manager who wants to surround himself with a lot of veteran players. It's a strategy that's worked for him, and I don't think he deserves criticism for it, but it would have been interesting to see him stay in Oakland and work with the kids who came through Oakland in the last few years.
the most important skill
when chicago started going down the crapper he landed with the a's. when the a's started going into the crapper he landed with st.l. the big difference between chic/a's and st.l is st.l will never run out of, or cut back on, salary.
big e
pitching and the bullpen
by bigelephant on Feb 10, 2005 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
lump me in on some of that
True
gibson's jack might have rattled the 27 yanks
and fricken eric fox ruined it in 92..i hated taht guy...
My problem with Pythagorean
If a team does not win as many games as projected by this spread, the manager gets no credit for good managing: instead, he's considered a bad manager. That's my problem with BP's analysis using only Pythagorean here: it does not consider the manager's role in generating runs, or minimizing runs allowed.
Or am I just missing something?
yeah...
by Cutthemullet on Feb 10, 2005 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
PLUS
i ask because i don't know.
by bigelephant on Feb 10, 2005 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Probably Overated
It can be stated LaRussa has always had the horses- Canseco, McGuire and Ricky - to Pujols and Roland.
Hard to believe but when the A's were bashing they had the highest budget in baseball - what 15 years ago. Times have changed.
LaRussa is a good manager who went were the budget was. And he saves dogs and cats. He will no doubt go into the Hall of Fame.
I said
Valuing a manager
the irony of this analysis...
It's tough to tease apart
Sabermetrics has a long way to go here.
by kaweahkaweah on Feb 10, 2005 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Another way to look at it
But I also agree with some of the above sentiment that Dave Duncan is LaRussa's secret Ace.
All-time Wins List
http://baseball-reference.com/managers/

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