Thomas and Piazza Refused Arbitration
The White Sox just refused to offer artibitration to Frank Thomas, clearing the path for the A's to officially make their offer to the slugging DH without having to give up a draft pick if he signs.
I've said this for a few days now, but I would love the A's to sign Thomas. He's a risk, but a good risk. The A's lineup could be very dangerous with the addition of The Big Hurt.
He would likely hit cleanup behind Eric Chavez and the A's would suddenly have several legitimate power threats from day one. Johnson, Chavez, Thomas, Crosby, Swisher and even Payton are all very capable of hitting 20 plus home runs.
In addition, I just saw on ESPNEWS that Mike Piazza was also not offered arbitration from the Mets. But my preference is Frank Thomas. He's been an American Leaguer his whole career and Thomas has a career .995 OPS compared to Piazza's .937 OPS. Thomas also had a .434 OBP as recently as 2004.
It's time to get it done.
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All this talk and so little
by AlBowe on
Dec 7, 2005 7:13 PM PST
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These Pretzels are making me thirsty!
by BleacherDrummer on
Dec 7, 2005 10:47 PM PST
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<cough, cough>
<monkeyball passes out>
<monkeyball shows up at press conference with welt on cheek>
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 11:04 AM PST
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Thomas always scared me bad
Oh well, all we can do is wait.
by paradox on
Dec 7, 2005 7:15 PM PST
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#1 Reason for Thomas to sign with A's
by Zonis on
Dec 7, 2005 7:16 PM PST
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beckett deal already a disaster?
From Rotoworld
The Red Sox probably won't attempt to sign Josh Beckett to a long-term deal before the start of next season.
"We kind of want to date for a while," said assistant GM Jed Hoyer. "We just acquired him. Let's get to know each other over the next couple months. If we decide we want to do a long-term deal, we'll do that." ESPN's Peter Gammons is going around saying that Beckett's MRI was so bad that the Red Sox aren't sure they'll get 20 starts from him next season. While we find that hard to believe -- he's an injury risk, but the Red Sox had access to the MRI before completing the deal -- waiting is clearly the smart play for Boston here. With two years remaining before free agency, it's not like he'd come cheap if he signed now.
by xbhaskarx on
Dec 7, 2005 7:16 PM PST
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AMEN!
by Cy Norris 1980 on
Dec 7, 2005 7:22 PM PST
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Anyone affordable
by Nico on
Dec 7, 2005 7:28 PM PST
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Jamie Moyer re-signs
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002670956_webmoyer07.html
by salb918 on
Dec 7, 2005 7:30 PM PST
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That's going to give
by Nico on
Dec 7, 2005 7:43 PM PST
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as mr. burns would say...
by xbhaskarx on
Dec 7, 2005 7:49 PM PST
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Awww, cute.
by Kyli on
Dec 7, 2005 11:33 PM PST
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Ok, so this may sound silly
I honestly don't know which one I would rather have in Green and Gold. I would like to see a side by side comparison of their stats and also a handful of opinions about their personalities and how they might mesh with the current roster. Then I can make a more informed decision.
Listen to me! I am talking like I am the one calling the shots. I guess what I really want to know is whether or not to be excited if and when one of these deals goes through. I just don't feel educated enough on either guy.
<slaps own wrist for being a bad baseball fan>
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on
Dec 7, 2005 7:34 PM PST
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deals
by sctr76 on
Dec 7, 2005 7:49 PM PST
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Happens ALL the time here...
Listen to me! I am talking like I am the one calling the shots.
...you know that. With all of the Assistant GMs that communicate on this board, it's amazing that Beane has chairs and desks for all of us at the main office.
by LowcountryJoe on
Dec 7, 2005 7:50 PM PST
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Especially chairs,
<cowers under table to avoid being hit by multiple chairs>
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Dec 7, 2005 8:12 PM PST
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Bad fan!
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Dec 7, 2005 8:14 PM PST
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Thomas v. Piazza
1. Piazza was never as good as Thomas, not even close.
Well, actually, he was almost as good. He was definitely close. To wit--
Career numbers:
Thomas: 307/427/568
Piazza: 311/382/555
So the only difference that even comes close to being "big" is in on-base percentage. Both were awesome at the heights of their career.
2. Thomas has shown more recent signs of resurgence.
Sort of, I guess. I think what made me vote for Thomas more than anything was his play in 2005 during that one month he was healthy, or whatever it was. Every hit he had was a homer.
Still, a look at Thomas' stats shows that his run of consistent excellence, which started in 1991, ended in 2000. Since then:
2001 4HRs, 221/316/441
2002 28HRs, 252/361/472
2003 42HRs, 267/390/562
2004 18HRs, 271/434/563
2005 12HRs, 219/315/590
Meanwhile, Piazza's decade of excellence ended in 2002. Since then:
2003 11HRs, 286/377/483
2004 20HRs, 266/362/444
2005 19HRs, 251/326/452
So I don't know, seeing that Thomas hasn't hit for average since 2000, nor has he stayed injury-free since then ... I don't think he's THAT much better of a choice than Piazza. I'd still pick him over Piazza, though, if anything, just for his physical stature.
by rubin sierra on
Dec 7, 2005 7:51 PM PST
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OBP >> SLG
There are arguments that can be made for both of them, but I'm rooting for Thomas.
--
Pascal
by mickelsp on
Dec 7, 2005 8:00 PM PST
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Thank you so much!
There have been a number of people on this site who constantly say that certain players are injury prone. Yet there is this overwhelming excitement to get a player who I see as being more injury prone than others already on the A's. Doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical of us to say we want a player who is injury prone, when we get mad at out current players when they get injured?
This is not to say that I am against this idea, I am just honestly curious what people think about that.
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on
Dec 7, 2005 8:06 PM PST
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I don't think we WANT someone
by EastCoastA on
Dec 8, 2005 10:31 AM PST
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add Thomas to the list ...
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 11:05 AM PST
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Thomas
by AlwaysSweatin on
Dec 7, 2005 8:53 PM PST
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Batting practice, last year...
Was anybody else there?
Man but he KICKED the shite out of the baeball, like no one I've seen recently (maybe Manny, Ortiz, Sheffield). Reminded me of those long Canseco bombs during Bash Bros BP.
Yeah, I know, it's just BP. But a healthy Thomas could get some fans in the seats (and win some games). Exciting!
And won't he have something to prove? I don't think he's gonna Mo Vaughn on us (God, I hope not)
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Dec 7, 2005 8:06 PM PST
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Who's plan B?
- If Thomas goes down in the first 1/3 of the season, who takes over at DH?
- If he goes down in the middle of the season, who takes over as DH?
- If he goes down at the end of the year, who's the DH?
by grover on
Dec 7, 2005 8:06 PM PST
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grover,
by gatling on
Dec 7, 2005 8:15 PM PST
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Depends
A midseason injury would likely lead to a trade.
An injury in August or September? Pray for a minor leaguer to be ready. Ethier is the most advanced bat in the system but he'd be hard pressed to cover for Thomas.
by grover on
Dec 7, 2005 8:29 PM PST
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I'm sorry,
by gatling on
Dec 7, 2005 8:40 PM PST
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Realistically?
by grover on
Dec 7, 2005 8:42 PM PST
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i would think that ...
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 11:06 AM PST
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So everyone switches chairs
Got any more of them pretzels you were choking on earlier?
by grover on
Dec 8, 2005 11:21 AM PST
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It was a projection, not a wish
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 11:26 AM PST
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Hey, we're on a budget here
by batgirl on
Dec 8, 2005 1:41 PM PST
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I can hear the call now...
by grover on
Dec 8, 2005 1:49 PM PST
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Oooooo...Frank Thomas plumber's crack
by kaweahkaweah on
Dec 8, 2005 2:39 PM PST
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Shudder at that thought, but his was saying
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Dec 8, 2005 2:47 PM PST
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soriano
by sctr76 on
Dec 7, 2005 8:17 PM PST
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So much for Brad Wilkerson
by gatling on
Dec 7, 2005 8:23 PM PST
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Big "Hurt"
....and on day 2 the A's would have a very legitimate power threat on the DL.
by Force on
Dec 7, 2005 8:22 PM PST
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Dan Kolb back to the Brewers
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soriano
by sctr76 on
Dec 7, 2005 8:24 PM PST
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That sucks for us
by salb918 on
Dec 7, 2005 8:27 PM PST
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Wow....I think that's way off...
by OaktownPower on
Dec 7, 2005 8:46 PM PST
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It's not even close
Soriano (road 2005):
.224/.265/.374
Wilkerson (road 2005):
.257/.337/.414
Wow. Soriano is awful away from Arlington. His OBP is downright miserable. Wilkerson has decent power and league-average OBP. Wilkerson also has a demonstrated ability to get on base over the course of his career. Soriano doesn't.
by salb918 on
Dec 7, 2005 9:12 PM PST
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See what happens
by jubjub on
Dec 7, 2005 8:28 PM PST
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who would that be?
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 11:07 AM PST
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Over/under ABs for value? (the Do-or-Dye line)
Same question for Piazza or Bradley or Nomar, for that matter...if the A's have only one shot at an established mid-order hitter, what's the minimum to make it worth it?
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Dec 7, 2005 8:26 PM PST
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WOW!
by bballfanr33 on
Dec 7, 2005 8:31 PM PST
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espnews
by sctr76 on
Dec 7, 2005 8:33 PM PST
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Wilkerson in Texas?
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 8:43 PM PST
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Is it possible that Wilkerson
by Blez on
Dec 7, 2005 8:49 PM PST
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It's possible.
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 8:51 PM PST
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I don't think so
by enz on
Dec 7, 2005 8:52 PM PST
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I don't think so, Blez.
by Nico on
Dec 7, 2005 9:04 PM PST
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To be fair
But yeah, they need pitchers.
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Dec 7, 2005 9:08 PM PST
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I mentioned in another diary
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Dec 7, 2005 9:10 PM PST
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I agree
by Faust on
Dec 8, 2005 8:42 AM PST
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You forgot "uglier"
by Nick on
Dec 8, 2005 8:59 AM PST
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As long as they keep Mench
by grover on
Dec 8, 2005 9:02 AM PST
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bluejays
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5148464
by ucla kid on
Dec 7, 2005 8:53 PM PST
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JP makes another big move
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Dec 7, 2005 9:22 PM PST
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Wow, I never heard about this rumor
Despite talk of Wells and Abreu, no action expected in Dallas
Given that Abreu is owed roughly $30 million over the next two seasons and Lieberthal is scheduled to make $7.5 million next year, such a deal would increase Oakland's payroll over the next two years by more than $10 million. Kendall is owed $24 million over the next two seasons, but the Pirates are paying $5 million of that in 2007, and Zito is scheduled to make $7.9 million next season -- not $8.5 million, as Forst reminded reporters -- in the last year of his contract.
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 8:56 PM PST
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Wow
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Dec 7, 2005 9:06 PM PST
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it definitely needs a little massaging for
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 9:13 PM PST
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I should probably reiterate:
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Dec 7, 2005 9:14 PM PST
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I have to admit,
by Nico on
Dec 7, 2005 9:18 PM PST
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I like the deal too
by Blez on
Dec 7, 2005 9:20 PM PST
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It crossed my mind
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Dec 7, 2005 9:21 PM PST
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Yes,
;)
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 9:21 PM PST
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the part where Kendall
Saber CW says catchers have very little effect on pitcher performance, despite what pitchers say. We've had musical catchers the last few years and our (starting) pitching has been solid, so I'm not too worried about that aspect.
Some posts in another thread cast doubt on Abreu's performance, and Gavin Floyd has gotten lit up in his brief time in the majors. Lieberthal is 33 and has shaky knees.
I don't think this trade is a slam dunk for the A's.
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Dec 7, 2005 9:47 PM PST
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good points
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Dec 8, 2005 1:04 AM PST
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Doubting Abreu
He's missed less than 5 games a year since becoming a regular.
He's not a big HR hitter, but he should be good for 20-25 bombs and around 40 doubles.
He'll K 100+; BB 100+.
Hit near .300 with a .400 OBP.
Basically he's an ideal #3 hitter.
by grover on
Dec 8, 2005 7:57 AM PST
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But old school scout types dont like his game...
by OaktownPower on
Dec 8, 2005 9:05 AM PST
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think about it this way
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Dec 8, 2005 12:45 PM PST
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I'd do a frickin' dance if we had Abreu.
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Dec 7, 2005 9:09 PM PST
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I have no idea if this rumor is true
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If that is available - I say go for it
We all know the tools that Abreu has, but as for Gavin Floyd - wasn't he rated really high before breaking in? Did the ballpark in Philly have an adverse effect on him, or possibly his inexperience? Could a change of location make him a viable candidate to jump into the rotation, or be ready to spot start in case of someone else going down...ie. Harden. I just like the idea of attaining a player with all the tools that Abreu has, and this would look nice:
Ellis
Kotsay
Chavez/Abreu
Thomas
Abreu/Chavez
Johnson/Crosby
Crosby/Johnson
Swisher
Mirabelli
Now that is a lineup that would stir some fear within opposing pitchers...
by SD Erik on
Dec 8, 2005 6:11 AM PST
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I'd do that one
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Dec 8, 2005 11:10 AM PST
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I'd like to add an amendment ...
Also, for them there is the additional bonus of being able to stockpile B.Crosbys.
by rubin sierra on
Dec 8, 2005 1:05 PM PST
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Boo!
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Dec 8, 2005 1:16 PM PST
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where is ...
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Dec 8, 2005 1:19 PM PST
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Open floor debate on amendment
My reasoning in shipping Chavez rather than Croz is mostly about salary. I also think Croz will ultimately put up better offensive numbers than Chavvy.
... and if the Yanks are stockpiling B. Crosbys, then they can use the time machine and sign Der Bingle ...
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Dec 8, 2005 1:18 PM PST
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Question for Blez, or anyone
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Dec 7, 2005 9:14 PM PST
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Delluci is signed through 2006
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Dec 7, 2005 9:18 PM PST
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OK, for some reason
by Nico on
Dec 7, 2005 9:24 PM PST
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How are we sure
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Dec 7, 2005 9:15 PM PST
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If we could be sure
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Dec 7, 2005 9:20 PM PST
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I found this especially interesting
That makes a lot more sense. I don't understand why Houston and Clemens couldn't do something similar like this. Just watch...Clemens will wind up back with the Yankees.
by Blez on
Dec 7, 2005 9:18 PM PST
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Clemens to TEX?
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Dec 7, 2005 9:22 PM PST
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rumor has it
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Dec 8, 2005 4:33 AM PST
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What the heck
by doublehustle22 on
Dec 7, 2005 9:19 PM PST
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Blue Jays get Overbay
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Dec 7, 2005 9:23 PM PST
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Hillenbrand was involved in the trade.
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 9:28 PM PST
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Not according to TSN.ca
The Blue Jays have acquired first baseman Lyle Overbay and a prospect from the Brewers in exchange for right-hander David Bush, outfielder Gabe Gross and triple-A left-hander Zach Jackson.
Argh! Hot stove confusion
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Dec 7, 2005 9:30 PM PST
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Okay...
by Sharon on
Dec 7, 2005 9:32 PM PST
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I know what you mean--
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Dec 7, 2005 9:35 PM PST
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By the way...
And the Loretta for Mirabelli deal is a great trade for the Red Sox. Loretta slumped last season from his career season in 2004. But I'm betting that a move to Fenway Park will help the righty. Plus, he's also absolutely stellar defensively. That's an ouch under-the-radar deal for the rest of the AL.
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Dec 7, 2005 9:35 PM PST
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Yup.
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But...
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You're just saying that
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tsk tsk
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Which begs the question,
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i know
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Anyone who
by Nico on
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Damn, things are happening fast now!
by kaweahkaweah on
Dec 7, 2005 9:53 PM PST
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I trust you are, of course,
by Nico on
Dec 7, 2005 10:15 PM PST
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Hey, the last thing I want to do
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would you send them to ...
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Don't forget to vote for AN
http://weblogawards.org/2005/12/best_sports_blog.php
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D R O O L . . .
First, and foremost, FRANK THOMAS!!!! All of you ANers who talk about players going "down" in the first third, or second third, or whatever are driving me batty. Why? Because ANY player can go down, get hurt, be out ... a twist of an ankle is all it takes, so kindly leave off the subject of The Big Hurt GETTING hurt and start thinking of how much pain he will cause opposing pitchers, and how fat the lineup will look with his big bat in the four-spot, and how many runs he will drive in, and how many MORE HRs Chavvy will have, and so on and so forth. THINK POSITIVE, folks.
And being a sometime-fan for the Phils, I like Bobby, but not enough to give up Barry and Jason.
Drool is all over the keyboard, so I better sign off. But ... in Beane we trust.
Wish Bill King was still around to call the plays, that's the only sad thing about 2006. Otherwise, I'm looking at it with rose colored glasses ... actually, make that green 'n gold colored glasses.
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Dec 7, 2005 11:33 PM PST
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Bad metaphor...
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Dec 8, 2005 8:57 AM PST
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Yes, It's Time to Slobber -
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Dec 8, 2005 9:36 AM PST
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Wow, busy day in trades.
I could go for Frank Thomas, though. I'm also terrified of the injury history, but if BB wants to take a big risk/big reward shot this season, this may be it. Not sure how much better we can get without paying serious prospects/players. The money/years would definitely be a huge factor, though. Maybe BB can get his agent drunk and work in some incentive clauses to chip down the overall price a tad.
I mean, if he can stay healthy for a decent portion of the season, it's got a good chance of being freaking awesome. Unless the Coliseum factor gets to him -- but then again, Thomas getting to hit more often in Texas? Man.
If he gets very predictably injured... BB will look the goat, but it's not like we didn't get a big, long look at inopportune injuries last season.
Definitely would be an interesting move to see. Though the whole 'signing a name I recognize' thing is gonna blow my mind.
And BB won't be able to trade Zito for about two more weeks. It's not close enough to Christmas yet.
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Dec 7, 2005 11:38 PM PST
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I agree...
The last time Piazza scared me was when he tried to sing and dance at the all-star game.
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Dec 8, 2005 12:11 AM PST
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Office (AN) poll??
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Dec 8, 2005 12:29 AM PST
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Kenny "you-talkin'-to-me?" Rogers
good, that guy killed us pitching in oakland....1r, 4h, was the usual line against him.
by bigelephant on
Dec 8, 2005 9:24 AM PST
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new deal
by HarenStyle on
Dec 8, 2005 9:29 AM PST
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Barry Zito
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Dec 8, 2005 9:31 AM PST
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Bad Contracts
The trade of Renteria got me thinking about this because I remember thinking how crazy it was to give the guy $40MM for league-average play.
Note to self: Back-loaded contracts on the wrong side of 30 aren't good things (see Loaiza, Esteban).
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Dec 8, 2005 9:43 AM PST
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Here's one:
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Dec 8, 2005 9:52 AM PST
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A-Rod
But, your point is taken - if anyone deserves it, A-Rod does.
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Dec 8, 2005 10:03 AM PST
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NO ballplayer is worth
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Dec 8, 2005 10:41 AM PST
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and such a great trade for the Yankees.
by Sharon on
Dec 8, 2005 10:09 AM PST
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Quick! Rationalize!
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Dec 8, 2005 10:22 AM PST
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did you just misspell ...
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Dec 8, 2005 11:28 AM PST
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Bless you
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As Duke of Left Field said:
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Spillczecher
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I see you're a combatant in ...
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They call me
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The only reason why A-rod
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the Omar Minaya flag just went up, haha
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Neyer doesn't think Zito to Phillies will go
Bob (Philly): Stark has reported that the Phillies and A's are close to a deal that would send Abreu and Cole Hamels to Oakland for Zito. Any thoughts on the possibility of this happening and the potential impact?
Rob Neyer: (1:15 PM ET ) I'd be surprised if the A's can afford to pay Abreu's huge salary, but then they do have more money to spend than in the past, thanks to the new owner. Who plays right field for the Phillies, though?
by theblackpearl on
Dec 8, 2005 10:17 AM PST
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that's a different trade than the original rumor..
by Sharon on
Dec 8, 2005 10:19 AM PST
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Neyer says A's lucky to get 15 HR's from Frank
Rob Neyer: (1:25 PM ET ) Here's something I didn't know until just now . . . in the last four seasons, Thomas hit 76 home runs in Sox Park, and 24 on the road. In 2000, 30 at home, 13 on the road. Between Thomas's injury history and his struggles away from that hitter's ballpark, I think the A's would be lucky to get 15 homers from him.
by theblackpearl on
Dec 8, 2005 10:28 AM PST
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home/road splits...
anyways, here's something encouraging, his career numbers in oakland:
.304 / .433 / .553
not too shabby
i think realistically you can't expect THOSE numbers in oakland, but something to the tune of .270/.370/.500 would be nice... it's hard to measuring SLUG and HR, I just know .500 is my cut off line for a pretty productive season out of a "power hitter" or "slugger"... ill throw this out there anyways though: id say if thomas DH's 100 games, that could be roughly around 20 HRs...
furthermore, the .270 with a degree of pop would be nice, but the .370 OBP is the most important thing. the A's need to seperate themselves in OBP from the rest of the pack in the AL--minus the Red Sox and Yanks who have ridiculous resources...
by balldood on
Dec 8, 2005 10:41 AM PST
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Trades
by OaktownRajah on
Dec 8, 2005 10:39 AM PST
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Sadly, no
by salb918 on
Dec 8, 2005 10:41 AM PST
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what will be pathetic...
by balldood on
Dec 8, 2005 10:43 AM PST
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Ick
by salb918 on
Dec 8, 2005 12:16 PM PST
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But like you say, probably improved
by kaweahkaweah on
Dec 8, 2005 12:21 PM PST
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C Hernandez
by OaktownRajah on
Dec 8, 2005 10:48 AM PST
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Ramoooooooon!
Hopefully, Ramon will get off the injury kick he's picked up. :-( His average might drop a bit now that he doesn't get to constantly beat up on the Giants, alas.
by Kyli on
Dec 8, 2005 11:09 AM PST
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Baltimore is the preferred locale for GOOD ex-A's
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Dec 8, 2005 11:36 AM PST
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He was great last year
by OaktownPower on
Dec 8, 2005 11:14 AM PST
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For 7 Million dollars he better, Baltimore now has
by theblackpearl on
Dec 8, 2005 10:50 AM PST
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Kenny Rogers signs with Tigers...
by OaktownPower on
Dec 8, 2005 11:13 AM PST
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Good
by AlwaysSweatin on
Dec 8, 2005 11:16 AM PST
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Yeah!
by OaktownRajah on
Dec 8, 2005 4:39 PM PST
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2006 Return of the 'swingin'' A's
by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on
Dec 8, 2005 12:11 PM PST
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No!
by OaktownRajah on
Dec 8, 2005 4:40 PM PST
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"artibritation"?
Or, if Martha Stewart were coming off her last contract year, they might offer artifartibritation.
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 12:28 PM PST
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and for fjord design...
by Poppy on
Dec 8, 2005 1:54 PM PST
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Zito for Abreu....
I would jump all over that if I were Billy. I know Hamels has had serious injury concerns but if he stays healthy, he has a great shot to become an ace.
I don't think I need to defend Bobby Abreu, his career speaks for itself. He's one of those guys who never really attracts much attention to himself, and hasn't gotten a chance to prove himself on any big stage. Chck out his career line- .303/.411/.512 with an average of 22 bombs and 40 doubles a year, as well as 30 steals a year and solid defense. What else could you possibly ask for out of a ballplayer???
by Little Rickey on
Dec 8, 2005 12:29 PM PST
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Personally
by ohad on
Dec 8, 2005 12:50 PM PST
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Not to be contradictory on purpose...
by Squeaky on
Dec 8, 2005 1:30 PM PST
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All players are subject to injury
What happened when the A's drafted Ariel Prieto, after being all set to get Todd Helton??
Who signed Juan Gonzales, only to have him out for the year in Game one of last year's season?
Dye came back from injury, but only after he left us. Thomas says the injury is healed, foot feels good... could be, he's telling the truth.
The A's aren't "building a club" around a DH. No question, he is prone to any injury, but the A's have a great shot at a proven inexpensive Big Bat.
Get Thomas today!!
by Ducts on the Pawn on
Dec 8, 2005 1:42 PM PST
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Cabrera
I just read somewhere that the Marlins are now saying that their "untouchable" players might come over for the right price. So now they're touchable.
Now, obviously they wouldn't want Zito, since he's only signed through 06 and they're doing a salary dump anyway, but which of our young pitchers would we be willing to give up to get us some Cabrera? Thoughts?
by rockbutt on
Dec 8, 2005 2:44 PM PST
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Robb?
How about Cindi? Is she above the age of consent?
(And, Robb, if you're reading this, I'm totally kidding. I'd suggest trading myself to the Fish for Cabrera, but Dade County has stringent regulations on keeping exotic pets.)
by monkeyball on
Dec 8, 2005 2:58 PM PST
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Why do old guys
-Cindi
by Nico on
Dec 8, 2005 6:41 PM PST
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probably for the same reason ...
by monkeyball on
Dec 9, 2005 8:42 AM PST
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Bye Harden... HELLO Cabrera!
by grover on
Dec 8, 2005 4:43 PM PST
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It would cost more, to be sure
by grover on
Dec 8, 2005 5:10 PM PST
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checkout what miggy said...
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada said Thursday he's unhappy with the team's direction and wants to be traded.
"I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," Tejada told The Associated Press during a telephone interview in his native Dominican Republic.
Tejada signed a $72 million, six-year contract with the Orioles before the 2004 season.
He hit .304 with 26 home runs and 98 RBI this year, but Baltimore finished 21 games behind the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox in the AL East.
"I've done many things with this team and I haven't seen results, and the other teams are getting stronger while the Orioles have not made any signings to strengthen the club," Tejada said.
Tejada came to Baltimore after playing seven years with the Oakland Athletics.
by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on
Dec 8, 2005 4:39 PM PST
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nail that to zito's locker
by vk on
Dec 8, 2005 4:53 PM PST
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Tejada upset and wants a trade ...
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada said Thursday he's unhappy with the team's direction and wants to be traded.
"I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," Tejada told The Associated Press during a telephone interview in his native Dominican Republic.
Tejada signed a $72 million, six-year contract with the Orioles before the 2004 season.
He hit .304 with 26 home runs and 98 RBI this year, but Baltimore finished 21 games behind the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox in the AL East.
"I've done many things with this team and I haven't seen results, and the other teams are getting stronger while the Orioles have not made any signings to strengthen the club," Tejada said.
Tejada came to Baltimore after playing seven years with the Oakland Athletics.
by Katches on
Dec 8, 2005 5:01 PM PST
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Lineup with Thomas
2B Mark Ellis
CF Mark Kotsay
3B Eric Chavez
DH Frank Thomas
SS Bobby Crosby
1B Dan Johnson
LF Jay Payton
RF Nick Swisher
C Jason Kendall
I didn't know where to put Kendall or Ellis. This arrangement seemed plausible because we have two leadoff men in 1st and 9th positions. Any changes?
by OaktownRajah on
Dec 8, 2005 5:01 PM PST
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Carpe Abreu!
by kaweahkaweah on
Dec 8, 2005 5:53 PM PST
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Carpe Cabrera!
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Dec 8, 2005 5:58 PM PST
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Mike Myers signs with Yankees
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=yankeesmyers&prov=st&type=lgns
by baseballnut020 on
Dec 8, 2005 6:07 PM PST
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One step closer
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Dec 8, 2005 8:34 PM PST
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Thomas is broken down
- Eric Karros - 2004 - .194 average - complete bust
- Ron Gant - 2003 - .146 average - complete bust
- David Justice - 2002 - 266 average, but only 11 HR's - mediocre performance
Before them there was Reggie at the end, Ron Cey, and host of others. Why is this any different?
Shooty
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Dec 9, 2005 8:26 PM PST
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Worth the risk
That being said, I am scared of Thomas' health issues, and I know even as a DH, he will break down at some point in the season. The question is just when, and how severely?
However, Thomas was probably the most dominant hitter in the Major Leagues for a number of seasons. When he was in his prime, no one was even close to him except for Bonds. This was a guy who hit .340-40-130 routinely.
If we give him a $1.5 million deal with incentives of up to say, $4-5 million, I have no reason to see why he's not worth it. Best case scenario, we get a huge lift in the middle of the order for a moderate investment. Worst case, we throw $1.5 million down the drain after he injures himself for the entire season in his first AB as an A. But as I see it, thats better than the $4.5 million down the drain with Durazo's season last year, so really, worst case scenario is that we have a cheaper DH disaster than last year.
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Dec 11, 2005 12:52 AM PST
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