A's trade Ethier to Dodgers for Bradley and Antonio Perez

NO! ETHIER!

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There goes the whole "Ethier in 2007" campaign...

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT ETHIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Dec 13, 2005 2:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ethier????

This sucks...but then again, he could just be another Adam Piatt.

What's a naughty travel kit and will it pass customs?

by franks a lot on Dec 13, 2005 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Perez

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/P/antonio-perez.shtml

Is this our backup 2B/3B Ginter type (but with less power) now?

So much for Bynum or Watson for the bench.

Wait? Wasn't this guy a Mariner? DAMNIT, that guy sucks...

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I love the deal

I think Barton is the superior talent in the long run

Bradley is a very good player right now.

We're up to 102 wins.. and counting !!

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Dec 13, 2005 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

damn, losing ethier hurts...

but i still think it's worth it.

if zito is staying, if the a's are signing thomas, getting bradley is worth it. beane is trying to win in 2006 while doing minimal damage to the a's chances through 2010.

i just wish we also got choi, since i can't see how that would take much at all since the dodgers hate him.

a choi/kielty combo would be great for backup OF/1B and at DH in case frank thomas gets injured.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2005 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I've have the same thoughts about a Choi/Kielty

combo. That would rock.

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Dec 13, 2005 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ethier

I was kind of thinking: We have a lot of Outfield prospects, where do we put them all?

Barton will be LF/1B/DH in 2007, but who will be the other LF/1B/DH?

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Johnson, Swisher, Bradley

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on Dec 13, 2005 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fox Sports Reported it also

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5164460

Raises a lot of speculation of other moves ????

by Bud Light on Dec 13, 2005 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

hmm ...

This is interesting ...

As it stands right now, Swish moves to 1b, DJ to DH and Payton and Bradley in RF/LF, both backing up CF more than capably with Kielty backing up the corners.

If we signed Thomas, though, Payton is headed to the bench. Does BB project Thomas playing few enough games to get Payton the PT that would keep him happy or is Payton on the way out?

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by devo on Dec 13, 2005 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Look at it this way

kotsay has back issues-- 20 games right there;
Swisher can't hit lefties-- possibly 25-30 games right there;
bradley will blow up at some point and get a couple of weeks off-- another 15 games or so;
Thomas will play 100--

payton's practically a full-time jack of all trades contributor.

Ronald McDonald's the guy on his way out..

but what a bench we're developing all of a sudden.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Dec 13, 2005 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

good points, but ...

... I disagree with the conclusion. Kielty, like Ginter, has about zero trade value right now. Plus, he's still cheap.

Payton's got perceived value and is expensive. My guess (and that's all it is -- yours is as good as mine) is that this means bye-bye Jay-Pay.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

might not be that cheap. This was his first arb-eligible year, and even coming off a horrible 2004 he got a raise to around $900K. This year, I'd expect him to get somewhere around what Byrnes made last year ($2+ million).

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." - Billy Beane

by andeux on Dec 13, 2005 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OK ...

... cheapER, anyway, than Payton.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Payton is super cheap in this market

Every team thinking of signing Johnny Damon for Boras money will be sure to take note. $4.5M is pretty cheap for a reliable CF.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Dec 13, 2005 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what about the DH though

Wouldnt DJ be the odd man out. Thomas at DH, Bradley, Kotsay, Payton in the OF. Swish at 1B.

Maybe Thomas is signing elsewhere.

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2005 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Hurt is signed

Swish moves back to RF, DJ stays at 1st, Payton is the odd man out, essentially backing up everybody. There's plenty of PT to be had, it just may not be consistent enough to keep him happy.

Check out some awesome music ...

by devo on Dec 13, 2005 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

I think thats more logical than sitting DJ. I agree about Payton. He wont be pleased.

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2005 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

there is no way

BB wouldnt have a talented rookie like DJ sit. I'd think that Payton would get a few more games in CF to rest Kotsay. I'd imagine DJ would play 120 games at 1B and 40 at DH. Thomas would play 80-100 games at DH, and Swisher would play 100 in RF, and 40 at 1B. That means Payton would get at least 80-100 games in the outfield, which might be enough to keep him happy. He did just sign an extension, so I don't think he'd be relegated to a bench role completely. I don't see him being traded, though, either.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

payton's option picked up at 4 mil

not extended. might be hard to trade without eating some dough.

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Makes him very tradeable

No long-term commitment for a 31 year old (pure guess) OF, and $4.5M is cheap for a starting CF.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Dec 13, 2005 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It will be more, Nebraska

See the "DJ to be traded diary"

i see the breakout of the 810 starts in the OF, 1B and DH as follows:

DJ-- 150
Kotsay-- 140
Swish-- 140
Jay Pay-- 130
Bradley-- 120 (he's never played more than 141 games, and only 100+ one other time)
Hurt-- 100

kielty-- 30

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Dec 13, 2005 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The problem is

Too much of his PT is based on Kotsay/Hurt's health. While likely true, those won't be that big of factors in April and discontent could get brewing before his PT increases as they need rest - making him less productive and hurting his PT going forward ...

Unless Thomas is only going to play on Mon, Weds, Fri, Saturday all season, I worry about Payton's acceptance.

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by devo on Dec 13, 2005 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

must believe payton is

a goner,,,somewhere

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

WOW

I just cant believe that the dodgers only get 1 player in all of this. And a minor leaguer mind you.

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2005 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ethier is not a great prospect..

I've said this before, but he failed to slug .500 or post a .400 obp in a year in which he hit .319, meaning his offense at this point is mostly dependant on batting average. The power he showed was only mediocre for the Texas League, and before this years stellar AFL, he didn't even show much plate discipline (48 BB/93 K's in Double A). He's nearing 24, is not athletic enough to play center, and It doesn't seem like he'll develop enough power to be a good corner outfielder. I like him, but he's probably never going to be anything more than a slightly above average corner outfielder. Needless to say I like this deal, though I would've preffered an arm over Perez, given we have nowhere to play him.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

for the record

Ethier had a .385 OBP and .497 SLG. To say "he failed to slug .500," while factually correct, is kind of misleading. And .385 OBP isn't so bad either. just putting it in context.

In my opinion, this trade is awesome, cuz we get Bradley (and Perez) for an unproven MLB-player, and previously, we were talking about giving up 2 MLB players (Saarloos and Kennedy) for Bradley, or there were even rumblings about a Zito for Bradley trade (though I know none of us put much stock in it). So to get Bradley+ for Ethier, while sad to lose a top prospect, is a great deal for us.

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 13, 2005 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It sucks losing Ethier.

But it's not unexpected. Some people here have speculated that he could be used as trade bait. Thank goodness it was for someone with Bradley's talent.

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Dec 13, 2005 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

YES YES YES YES

goddanm right!!! this is why i love billy!

IF this deal is factual????

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ethier??

Ok, kind of surprised, but I guess only because I've heard his name around so much. Interesting.

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 13, 2005 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Huge Gamble!

Wow Billy is really rolling the dice this winter. First Loiza, now Bradley. We now know he wants to win. This year. Amazing.

OK, biggest question. How will Bradley change the A's team chemistry?

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 13, 2005 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

now, just bring thomas

and my off-season "wish list" is complete.

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i'm bummed about losing ethier ...

but i am EXTREMELY EXCITED about 2006 now!!!!!!!

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Dec 13, 2005 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

but in 2004 you weren't that excited about Ethier, were you? We got quality for POTENTIAL quality.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on Dec 13, 2005 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And the Bradley diaries start rolling in...

don't you love how people post about a zillion diaries about the same topic? (Not talking about this one, just all the ones after it that are appearing every other minute or so...)

;)

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 13, 2005 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I noticed

Tons of em.

But hey, At least I got the first one up =] (saw the story, coincidently, from a Dodgers board).

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

this was actually the 2nd one to hit ...

the diary police have been called ; )

Check out some awesome music ...

by devo on Dec 13, 2005 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And then Nico or Blez will put one on the main

page.

by theblackpearl on Dec 13, 2005 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha,

great you understand the pattern!

by arch on Dec 13, 2005 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ethier?

I always liked Ethier, but trading him for a proven MLB player (and Perez to boot) sounds like a good deal. Whats the contract status for Bradley? How long would we have him?

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Random thoughts

This means we still have Saarloos and Kennedy as trade bullets to spare
I wonder if this means Colletti was chafing under Sabean's no-non-AARP-members policy?
If the deal is as reported, this is a steal by the A's
Boy, Colletti overplayed his Bradley hand

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

and ...

5. Who knows? Maybe Beane intends on flipping Bradley, given the attention he attracted last week. Since we gave up so little to get him, we could come out way ahead on a flip deal. Maybe get another OF prospie, or some more MLB-ready pitching?

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Random replies

Yup, although if we don't play them - and if each player accepts his role - then we have a heck of a staff.
Maybe.
Wait till Bill Plaschke play the character card tomorrow morning. "Colletti shipped out the troublemaking Bradley for Andre Ethier, one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet."
Yup. But remember, Ethier value was peaking, given his AFL performance.

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Plaschke's thoughts right now?

"Celebrate, Dodger fans--we have a GM who appreciates team cemistry, this is addition by subtraction--no, no, delete-delete-delete, let me start over. Rise up in anger, Dodger fans! The team under Colletti is just as overly-frugal as it was under DePodesta! We need to sign big-name free agents! No, no, delete-delte-delete ... Ahh, crap, I'll just write another column gushing about the Trojans."

by rubin sierra on Dec 13, 2005 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NOOOOO!

Goddamnit, Billy. I thought you had another week before you started to wreck Christmas!

The Ethier/Barton combination seemed so wonderful and enticing and hopeful. :-( This is one thing I loved about the Billy Beane Era, we traded away good prospects but we kept guys who seemed like gems.

I really thought Ethier was destined for this organization and with all the excitement here about him... it really seemed like he was going to be one of our own, a guy we'd be rooting for long after now. Our higher level ain't exactly uberstocked now that we've brought up so many guys, it was nice to have Ethier, our future ROY, to look forward to.

I guess what really bothers me is that we traded a great prospect for a guy that I cannot, in good conscience, root for.

I mean, Milton Bradley? Goddamn. I was so happy that, with a Rinconless team, I could finally have a year where I didn't hate anyone on the team.

Milton Bradley is a jackass, and given Jose Guillen and his tendencies towards drama, I was hoping that Billy would be smarter than a signing like this. We can do better than Milton Freakin' Bradley.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Although...

I am happy about pimping out our bench. Perez will be a nice addition.

But Milton Freakin' Bradley? Oh Billy... he and Macha are gonna have some interesting fights... I just wish we could have gotten someone different and superior for Ethier if we packaged him with Cruz or Saarloos or someone.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you on this

This is one of the saddest A's days I can remember. Milton Bradley is a big jerk. Now I have to find a way to root for the A's and hope one of the players goes 0-4 every night. I will never root for Bradley.

by homerozzieandthestraw on Dec 13, 2005 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A little surprising

Seems like a decent trade. Bradley is phenomenally talented, but has never quite put it all together, partly because of his behavioral problems, and partly just because of injuries. I thought that the rumored trades for one of our extra starters (Saarloos or Kennedy) made more sense given our glut there and LA's needs, but with Ethier it could be that Beane feels that he's at his peak trade value, and is selling high. Ethier is a better prospect than Teahen, but is probably not the future star that some have been hoping for.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." - Billy Beane

by andeux on Dec 13, 2005 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

anyone know anything

about perez????????????

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

well

I can't even figure out if he's a pitcher or an infielder. or both...

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/antonio-perez.shtml

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ya, no kidding!

strange huh. a very good hitting pitcher????

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah it's weird...

but I'm pretty sure he's just an infielder. The base ball cube has pitching statistics, but I think its a mistake. Check out his ESPN player card:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7105

by TheCatch on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's definitely a mistake

his espn card for 1, and the baseball cube has him listed as a pitcher for the D-Rays organization from age 23-25, and as an infielder for the Dodgers from ager 23-25. Must be a different Antonio Perez in TB!

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 13, 2005 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perez has talent

The A's are my favorite team, but the Dodgers are my second so i watched them alot last year. Perez is a really good player...the problem is he is naturally a shortstop. They tried to put him at third last year but he couldn't handle it defensively, and he was never comfortable at second. I think that with Wash he will improve quickly defensivly. And hitting wise he is a pretty good hitter he was the dodgers best hitter for a while(mainly when he first came up, and i am kinda biased cause i saw him jack one against the giants) I am really excited about getting him....the only problem is he has nowhere to play, but he is a young and a great pickup

"What an ending. Who would have thought that? A's win with a bunt." ~Macha on Ramon's Winning bunt in the '03 playoffs

by NvrFrgtRamon55 on Dec 13, 2005 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Wash can help him. :-/

I mean, I guess it makes sense to definitely pick him up given the Chavez issues... but if he's got problems defensively at 3B, I'm scared.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Antonio

Another player you should be happy to have. Unfairly charged with having "bad defense" should provide about a .750 OPS from a guy who can play 2nd, short, and third. Look for about .275/.350/.415 numbers from him,

by regfairfield on Dec 13, 2005 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

last year

was .297, .360 OBP, and only .398 SLG.

But can be a good backup for Chavvy if the shoulder acts up.

What happens to Ginter now?

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 13, 2005 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He stays in Sac.

for now antonio is looking like a much beter option for infield back up. i like this trade, but then i liked the team before the trade.

"Baseball is simple. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. sometimes you win. some times you loose. some times it rains." -Bull Durham

by DC on Dec 14, 2005 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Great trade

Ethier profiled as a 4th OF, Bradley is a very good player who can play a corner OF and fill in capably in CF when Kotsay's back acts up. He's a very good hitter who can help us for a couple of years. Good trade.

Payton may be the odd man out, unless somebody wants to give up a lot for Kotsay.

by danielj on Dec 13, 2005 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Great Trade

I think this was a steal for the A's. Looks like BB took advantage of a new GM who wanted to get rid of everything the man he replaced set up.

Do not worry about chemistry. BB would not have done this without talking long and hard with Paul DePo.

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Dec 13, 2005 2:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I dunno...

Beane's brought in (and promptly shipped out) his share of troublemakers. I don't know if even a chat with DePo would dissuade him if Bradley was the guy he wanted.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley is OK

I agree that the trading is not over. Bradley made a big impact on the Dodgers the year before last. I have to think having Kent around had a lot to do with Bradley's troubles.

This Perez can also help. A great pickup of talent at a time Ethier's stock was at its highest.

Who else was after Bradley? Perhaps this is just the beginning of a delayed three way deal.

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Dec 13, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I Second that motion!

The baseball world would have looked at Beane and Depo funny if they made the trade. But with McCourte handing the reigns to Colletti, Beane sliced and diced his way into another steal. Beane has too much respect for Depo and his buddy in Toronto to commit this type of larceny.

Chemistry, shmemistry, Just Win Baby!

With the two-headed beast that now represents the Red Sox front office, I wonder whom he'll fleece from there? Perhaps the "Greek God of the Walk"?

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Dec 13, 2005 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This offseason so far...

is kind of freaking me out. We're getting, like, (relatively) big name players. We signed a free agent pitcher. We're supposedly close to signing a big free agent slugger. And, as of yet, we haven't lost/traded one of our big homegrown stars. Yes, the offseason's not over, but man, is '06 looking good. This is insane.

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 13, 2005 2:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

YAY!!!

NEWS!

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Perez...

Came up in the Cincinatti and Tampa orgs, pilfered from Tampa by Depo and company for Jason Romano. A Second basemen, He's only 25, hasn't shown much ability to hit for power, but makes good contact(.360 obp last year). I'm not sure about his defense, but he seems like a great super sub kind of guy with a bit of upside.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Wow.....

I hate Bradley.....going to be hard for me to root for him....but talent wise, I think it is a phenomenal trade. Great job Billy from a talent wise swap...Im very worried about Bradley fitting in.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Let's not forget

Bradley needs to stay healthy for this acquisition to work for us. He had knee surgery which ended his year, and we better hope he's recovered and ca play 100+ games in the outfield.

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Oh crap.

We better keep him away from Bulldozer Bobby. :-/

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha...

Bulldozer Bobby. Wayy too true. ;)

Just have to say, I love all this activity on AN right now. Almost feels like it's the baseball season again... sigh.

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 13, 2005 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha

Maybe that's why we got Perez. If you see Ellis running away from pop-ups than you know it's true.

by RunRickeyRun on Dec 13, 2005 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I love this deal

thats it. i just want it to be known.

I rebuilt your mom last night.

by SLOtown on Dec 13, 2005 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have Thomas than Bradley

I hope this doesn't jeopardize signing Frank Thomas

by JeffRoper on Dec 13, 2005 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

wait

where does it say that we gave up ethier? i haven't found anything on this yet.

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Dec 13, 2005 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

no sign...

yeah, i'm looking everywhere...this is the only place that says its Ethier

by Gene Nelsons Mullet on Dec 13, 2005 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here.

Link.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Bradley ...

fits in with the clubhouse. I think that is the major issue with this deal. I hope the laid back atmosphere is what he needs and that he realizes that he can help this team win -- in a BIG, BIG way!

Lets go A's!!!

My coworker, a huge indians fan, is giving me all sorts of crap for this trade. He's saying its the worst trade in 15 years. I want to hit him.

by CyZito on Dec 13, 2005 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

we should have a pool

where we guess which Athletic Bradley has his first public dispute with. Or which Athletic Bradley will label as "racist."

We should also try to make sure that there's a big "Milton Bradley Fan Club" sign right in the corner of the stadium that corresponds to the place in Dodger Stadium where he had his tirade.

by rubin sierra on Dec 13, 2005 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You should hit him

how could it not be a good deal to trade an unproven kid, with a lot of talent, for two proven ball players. each of these guys hit just in right neer 300 last year, and as we all know, in oakland it only takes two guys hitting 300 to cover the spread against our amazing pitching.

there is no way to know weather Ethier would be sucsesful in the majors. the ods say no. i hadden to believe that he would have beenbut most dont. now we have a deep bench for the next two years, power, defence, and pitching.

even if Ethier ends up being great some day this is still a good trade for the moment. they are going for it this year and these guys are going to help them get it done.

"Baseball is simple. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. sometimes you win. some times you loose. some times it rains." -Bull Durham

by DC on Dec 14, 2005 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now I won't have to worry...

about Ethier being unconscious.

"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Dec 13, 2005 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

No

But Coletti may well have been when he said yes to this.

username

by spal on Dec 13, 2005 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perez is quite a bit better than I thought

perfect backup for chavez fluky shoulder. ginter is so gone.

BB totally fleeced colletti. Ha ha ha.

I doubt thomas is signed now.

anyone know bradley's contract value?

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 13, 2005 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I cant imagine we only gave up Ethier....

for Bradley and perez....has to be more to it from our side.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

guys like you

have been driving down bradley's worth..thanks
:-)

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha....It might have been all me :-)

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing it's Jairo

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd prefer

for it to be Jairo than Ethier

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant "and"

Well, hell, Bradley + Perez for just Jairo would indeed be a steal.

But I'd still like Bradley + Perez for Ethier + Jairo.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ah

yea, Bradley + Perez for Ethier + Jairo would look a bit more even, but in my opinion, it'd still be a good deal for the A's

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who is this mystery man Oaklandas725

He was first to break the Ken Macha re-signing.

Whatever, keep up the good work!!!

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2005 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I think Zonis was first.

"I'm so green and gold that I hang on every pitch, not just every game." - Lew Wolff

by BleacherDrummer on Dec 13, 2005 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perez can back up 3rd & 2nd

That seems be be the end of Scutaro in Oakland. Wasn't it supposed to be Edwin Jackson & Antonio Perez traded to Oakland last year for Hudson that was being reported on ESPN?

by Bud Light on Dec 13, 2005 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

yup

jackson and perez for huddy

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 13, 2005 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

More on Perez

He did slug .511 in Las vegas in 04, but it was the PCL after all. Looks like he can play short as well, and he's got some speed. So he can spell Ellis, provide Crosby insurance and not embarass himself. Really nice pickup. If anyone knows anything about his defense i'd love to know...

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Defense

Again, Jim Tracy refused to play him because of bad defense, but most defensive metrics put him at about average, and he had the highest range factor at third base in baseball (by far).

by regfairfield on Dec 13, 2005 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What about Scutaro?

Doesn't he already do this?

"If I'm not having fun, then I am not playing well" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 13, 2005 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Scutaro

has a weak bat, though. he is reasonable defensively. i love the guy, though.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

New team mascot?

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The

Oakland Scutaro's

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 13, 2005 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but

Perez doesn't suck.

by regfairfield on Dec 13, 2005 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

neither does Scutaro

especially if he's not an everyday player

by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2005 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

I do believe a career .303 on base qualifies as sucking. Thank god he can at least play defense.

by regfairfield on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Defense

I watched the Dodgers last year and he was groomed to be a shortstop. They tried to put him at third last year so he could play more but he couldn't handle it defensively, and he was never comfortable at second when they put hime there and Kent at first(those were some hilarious time with kent at first). I think that with Wash he will undoubtedly improve defensivly. He is young and a great talent.

"What an ending. Who would have thought that? A's win with a bunt." ~Macha on Ramon's Winning bunt in the '03 playoffs

by NvrFrgtRamon55 on Dec 13, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Great deal

I LOVE this trade. It's tough to lose Ethier, but Bradley is a great pickup. The lineup will be much better with him in it every day and JayPay as the 4th OF.

by Jeff in Seattle on Dec 13, 2005 2:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jay Payton

will likely stay in the OF, and Swisher will move to 1B, with DJ going to DH. If Thomas is signed, then it all becomes muddled.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

beane might also flip bradley

on somebody else, given the outfield situation. or trade payton, or kotsay, or swisher for a big payload. as much as i loved ethier, i think we traded him at his highest prospect value given his AFL success. this is indeed a "f&*cking a" trade (and will be even more so depending on who else gets traded as a result), we haven't had one of those in a little while!

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 13, 2005 2:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jason Stark just confirmed the deal

for Bradley...but he says he hasnt heard for sure who the A's gave up.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Is this a precursor to trading Ellis?

Ellis is at a high trade value right now, and 2B could be a Scutaro/Perez platoon next year. Keep your eyes peeled!

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i hope not

Ellis has been fantastic defensively and his bat is just starting to come around

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

there's probably more to this...plus, if we really are signing thomas, we got another logjam between swish, dj, and big hurt for 1b/of

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 13, 2005 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ick

Boy, I sure hope not.

I mean, I'm not opposed to trading Ellis, but I really wouldn't like to see that as our 2B combo.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

there's probably more to this...plus, if we really are signing thomas, we got another logjam between swish, dj, and big hurt for 1b/dh (assuming bradley stays and takes over the other corner of spot)

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Dec 13, 2005 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't Seem Likely

after Macha's recent comments that Ellis earned the leadoff spot, but who knows. Anything can happen.

by timed exposure on Dec 13, 2005 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, because

Beane takes Macha's feelings into account when making roster moves. I get the feeling that Beane just does whatever, hands the final product over to Macha and say, "Look, this works. Don't screw it up." :)

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I suddenly

feel a little sick!

"If I'm not having fun, then I am not playing well" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 13, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If it is you can all blame

me. I'm the one who first suggested BB move Ellis and Ethier (admittedly in the same deal). I'm starting to get cold feet unless the Ellis deal is this good in value.

"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra

by vignette17 on Dec 13, 2005 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't imagine who else it would be...

Beane would never deal Barton, and we don't have any other upper level prospects ready to contribute at the big league level in the near future.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Must believe payton is

the odd man out. even if beane needs to eat 1.5 mil, thats what the buy out was anyway.

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

VERY good point.

hadn't seen it this way, but makes a lot of sense.

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 13, 2005 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

25- and 40-man

Doesn't this mean we need to drop someone (or two) from both the 25-man and 40-man rosters?

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

no

A's just dropped that guy beane got from the jays for ford-griffin.

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

gaudin?

when?

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jason Perry

by OaktownTribesman on Dec 13, 2005 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks,

couldn't remember that dude's name...it was just...right....there, but i couldn't spit it out.

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe not

ethier is on the 40 man, and i think we had 39 anyway

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

only because komine wasn't listed for some reason

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2005 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he was drafted in 2002

I think he'll have to be protected next year

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

actually

Komine is on the 40 man roster

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Roster

Ethier was on the 40 man roster, and there was another spot open from when they DFA'd Baker last week. If they still plan on signing Thomas, they'd need to open up one more spot.
There isn't really a 25-man roster in the offseason.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." - Billy Beane

by andeux on Dec 13, 2005 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh gross.

KNBR just mentioned that Swish will probably be moved to first. I know they pull everything out of their ass, but still. :-( I worry for the fate of Dan Johnson.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

nah

DJ will get his at-bats. there is no way BB has Macha sit someone as young and talented as that.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

two thoughts

KNBR has an intimate familiarity with the inner workings of the A's their roster makeup -- erm, not
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to moving DJ if Thomas is in the bag -- I think DJ has a high perceived value and may not have much higher of a ceiling

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

if this is all for 2006

than no one will be traded.

you keep saarloos as #6 starter because he will keep you in every game unlike glynn/etherton.

you keep kennedy because he can be the yabu (blowouts), the loogy, and the saarloos replacement if saarloos ends up in the rotation b/c of injury.

you keep payton because enough games will be missed between kotsay, bradley, and frank thomas that you still need him.

you keep keilty because he's cheap and has no trade value whereas he has some worth.

and finally the a's have depth. there will be injuries, there always are.
that's the lesson from last year, if the a's had one more major league caliber starting pitcher and hitter last year, they would have made the playoffs.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2005 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

okay, mlb.com mentions it now too.

LOS ANGELES -- The Dodgers resolved the Milton Bradley situation on Tuesday, trading the outfielder and infielder Antonio Perez to the Oakland A's for top outfield prospect Andre Ethier, according to a Los Angeles source.

oaklandas725, are you billy beane?

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Dec 13, 2005 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

link

here

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Dec 13, 2005 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

if he was

do you think he'd tell us?

although, BB has mentioned his appreciation for AN... that would be nice.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ha

it would be great if BB was on AN giving us the heads up on moves he's making!

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Dec 13, 2005 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

if Billy was indeed a member ...

... wouldn't his tag be something like "I<3Hatte"?

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Check out Oaklandas725's

comments and previous posts. S/he claims to work for "another" baseball team.

by timed exposure on Dec 13, 2005 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yea

only one diary (this one) and one previous post (the macha resigning news)

that's a pretty good track record...

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oaklandas725 is officially freakin' awesome.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

MLB.com

MLB.com press release

LOS ANGELES -- The Dodgers resolved the Milton Bradley situation on Tuesday, trading the outfielder and infielder Antonio Perez to the Oakland A's for top outfield prospect Andre Ethier, according to a Los Angeles source.

Bradley is recovering from knee surgery and he goes to Oakland hoping to turn the page after a turbulent two seasons in Los Angeles. Perez, a utility infielder with a live bat, was recently sidelined in the Dominican Winter League when he was hit in the face with a page and suffered a small fracture of his left cheekbone.

Bradley posted modest numbers in an injury-marred 2005, with a .290 average, a .350 on-base percentage, 13 homers and 38 RBIs. Perez batted a career-high .297 with 11 steals and 13 doubles.

Ethier, the A's top outfield prospect, was named the Texas League Player of the Year last season, and had a strong Arizona Fall League, hitting .366 with 21 RBIs and a .495 on-base percentage over 23 games.

The trade is the first for new Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti, who appears intent on reshaping the Los Angeles outfield and the roster as a whole.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Perez sounds like an injury risk

He can't take getting hit in the face with a page? I hope it was at least gold leaf.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Dec 13, 2005 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

reshape the OF?

Drew and $ for Payton, Kennedy, and Ginter!

"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra

by vignette17 on Dec 13, 2005 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

antonio perez

hey, this antonio perez guy isn't half bad.

he can be this year's ginter, except hopefully he doesn't suck.

.360 OBP over 98 games last year, .353 over 159 major league games...

this is a good addition given how fragile crosby is and given that chavez didn't have surgery.

perhaps it's scutaro who is on the way out. i'd miss him because he's a nice guy, but he's just not that good.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2005 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hmmmm

Talent-wise, I like this deal. Bradley is a big time talent, Ethier MIGHT be a big time talent. However, I have serious reservations about taking on an alleged wife-beater.

by dchu on Dec 13, 2005 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

MLB Radio says it

urban says that in the Winter Meetings, it was:

Kirk Saarloos and Andre Ethier for Bradley

NOW its:

Andre Ethier for Bradley and Perez

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nice work, Billy!

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

holy crap

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Dec 13, 2005 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

someone got desperate to move Bradley... i like Coletti already... who else do you suppose he wants to sell?

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

PLEASE

I'm dreaming of a Barry Zito for Billingsley, Tiffany/Broxton and LaRoche trade =]

Other: Urban says "yeah, I was on MLB.com radio earlier today... (i'm a whore)"

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

soeaking of porn ...

"Tiffany Broxton" is totally a pornstar name ...

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's see if we can get Choi

And then play an "all-castoffs" team occasionally: Perez, Bradley, Scutaro, Payton, Saarloos, Kennedy, etc.

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 13, 2005 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"all-castoffs"

What about Denver, Hale, Backus, Schafer, Louise, Johnson, and Wells?

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Unbelievable

Beane is the MAN

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2005 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that's definitely something

to be grateful for.

Desperation for moving Bradley scares me a bit... But damn. If BB'd taken the Saarloos/Ethier deal, that would have been an ugly day!!

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

highway robbery?

and here we all thought bradley's price was going up because of the pirates, cubs, and other teams.

keeping saarloos is huge.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2005 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dang.

How does Billy do it?

"No, really, Ned. Let me help you. You really don't want Saarloos. Ethier is like Superman-- he can be your star rookie outfielder and your fifth starter. And you know, I think we could help you out a little bit more-- that Perez guy seems like he'd be a pain. We can take him off your hands for ya. Oh, it's no problem at all, Ned. Just trying to help out an old friend. Yup, see you for dinner this weekend. How's the wife?"

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL!!!!!!!!!

That's awesome!!!!!!!!!

"I like Band Camp. He hits things." ~ Kyli (9/24/05)

by AsGirl on Dec 13, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

had me laughing out loud.

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 13, 2005 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm assuming that Swisher moving to 1b

is just speculation since Thomas isn't signed yet.

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Dec 13, 2005 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

no

for OF we would have Kotsay, Bradley, Payton, and Swisher. Swish would move to 1B, because he is better defensively there, and DJ would DH

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

but that's if Thomas isn't signed.

right?

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yea

if we sign Thomas, there is a serious roster problem

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Payton is in his way out....

I read that the Pirates was interested in Bradley too, so a trade Payton for Damaso Marte could be a good deal for both teams

by Olijerez77 on Dec 13, 2005 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

the A's would rather have Swish at first and DJ at DH than the other way around.

by Alien on Dec 13, 2005 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

my point is that

Swisher is moved to 1b only if Thomas isn't signed. Therefore, Rosenthal is moving the guys around the diamond under that scenario.

I guess there's been so much talk of the Big Hurt signing with Oakland, that I'm still thinking he's going to be here.

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Dec 13, 2005 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

several possibilities

among them, Payton as 4th outfielder (will get plenty of playing time to rest Kotsay's back, also in case Bradley has any other injury or other issues) Swisher part-time OF and part-time 1B (DJ 1B/DH, even with a Thomas signing since Thomas is also an injury and perhaps aging risk).

And of course, there may be more trades...

by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2005 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

anyone else upset about losing Either?

even tho I am glad its not Either AND saarloos anymore, we pimped out this deal...but dang! Either is gonna be real good

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That's certainly not a given..

He looks like either a great 4th of or an average at best starting left fielder. He just doesn't have the pop to make an impact as a corner outfielder. I've been excited about him, but when you can get a proven on base buy who shows flashes of good power (last year when healthy his isolated slugging was around .200, playing in dodger stadium no less) for a guy with ethier's profile you gotta jump on it.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree i do love the deal

i just got rivercats tickets to go see him...guess Barton will do.... haha

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Another trade in the works

What does this mean for Kielty/Payton/Scutaro/Ginter with Bradley and Perez coming over? ,

somebody has to go. If we sign Thomas maybe two of them have to go. Payton has the most value and is the most expensive plus possibly we could spin perez as part of a bigger deal.

"Who wouldn't look great wearing the Green and Gold?"- Ray Fosse

by OakAs33 on Dec 13, 2005 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

there has to be another one

i've been trying to figure out how the roster would work after this, and there just has to be something else coming. it looks like it will be out of the blue, since there are no other trade rumors being bandied about. i'm guessing ginter/scutaro/kielty/payton are all candidates for leaving now.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

there's at least one more shoe to drop

possibly more

by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2005 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe for a cheaper LOOGY

or another seanz bench like player who is real good at pinch hits, but I agree someone has gotta be on his way out of Oakland, so much talent not enough roster space

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I keep seeing Ginter's name mentioned ...

I think the psychology behind that goes: Our roster is much better now, could get even better if we get Thomas, we've got all these guys who could play a useful role, Kielty, Payton, Scutaro, Ginter ... Ginter!? Crap, he can't play a useful role! He was horrible last year, and he has a contract to receive like a million dollars to be horrible some more this year! And he's taking up space in our roster ... Did somebody say, "trade package?"

by rubin sierra on Dec 13, 2005 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i got it

sign thomas and then trade payton for prospects! replenish what we gave up in this trade!

I rebuilt your mom last night.

by SLOtown on Dec 13, 2005 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not for prospects, for a LOOGY

I just want to see a Payton Marte trade with the Pirates, they need a CF, they were after Bradley...

by Olijerez77 on Dec 13, 2005 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What about Scutaro????

:(

"I like Band Camp. He hits things." ~ Kyli (9/24/05)

by AsGirl on Dec 13, 2005 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

marco! ... scutaro?

yea, it looks like he may be a goner.

Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 13, 2005 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still playing the...

MARCO! SCUTARO game.

by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2005 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Payton is now either benched, or gone..

Thank god we didn't have to endure 500 at bats from him. Bradley is a sure upgrade. That said, I love Payton as a fourth outfielder/lefty basher. He really is the perfect right handed bench player. If we can get good value for him, I'd still trade him.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He will be playing as soon as Game Buy melts down.

Over/under the same day as Oaktoon turns to doom and gloom

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Shoot...Game Boy

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"Oaktoon turns to doom and gloom"

Hilarious!

Did you see, in wake of the Bradley trade he now predicts 102 A's wins in 06!

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 13, 2005 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

booby/payton/saarloos/kennedy=

gone

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

could it be ...

... with Bradley in the fold, we'll have a maximally flexible/redundant OF (especially if Payton isn't traded).

With Perez, we'll have a substantially more flexible/redundant IF (especially if Ellis or Scutaro aren't traded).

Could Billy have finally realized the importance of having roster flexibility/redundancy for his position players?

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

but you can only carry so many players on a roster

with bradley and Perez, for a guy who wasnt on the 25 man roster, is there enough room for Scut, and Ginter? and Kielty AND watson?

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Watson

Won't be on the 25-man. This pretty much guarantees that, barring some other drastic change.

by timed exposure on Dec 13, 2005 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

THAT, would be a f'ing shame

I like that dude.

by bigelephant on Dec 13, 2005 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No shame

He's done nothing, ever in an A's uniform.

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 13, 2005 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He hasn't been given much of a chance...

Watson has minor league numbers that say he'd be a solid 4th outfielder. He has all of 40 at bats or so with the a's. He deserves a chance, I'm hoping he lands on a big league bench next year and gets an extended shot to show what he can do. Having said that, Payton or Kielty are both better options.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But,

if your options for a 4th OF are Payton or Watson, there is no real decision to make. Watson stays in AAA.

How about a three way? You, me and some of this pork.-Donny Baker

by gatling on Dec 13, 2005 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Doubting Thomas

I bet that the A's don't sign Thomas now. His stock is rising and he's too big a risk. I like Bradley a lot better, because of the combined age/durability factory.

Great move Billy. Amazing, he gives up unproven AA talent for two PROVEN major leaguers, one of whom has star potential!

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 13, 2005 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

So is Zito safe now?

is he ours for the year?

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He's never safe.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 13, 2005 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's looking more and more that way...

Seems like Billy is really going to try to make a run this year. I don't see Zito being traded unless somebody really blows us away with an offer we can't refuse.

by Little Rickey on Dec 13, 2005 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Move Bradley

To the Pirates for Mike Gonzales. Just an idea.

Payton and Bradley don't fit on the same roster in my opinion. Even though the OF Defense would be amazing, and the IF too w/ Swish at first.

hollowspec: What's your favorite beer? Dan Johnson: Free.

by FireballerHARDEN on Dec 13, 2005 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Keep Bradley AND Payton

Think about it you basically have a rotation of 5 players for 4 spots: Payton, Bradley, Johnson, Kotsay, Swisher. One of them sits about every four days. No big deal.

Obviously BK broiler is the odd man out, but he has had a grand total of what, one good month in the G & G?

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 13, 2005 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You dont sit GameBoy every 4 days...

Unless you want one militant dude in the clubhouse.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2005 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perez is injured...

"Perez, a utility infielder with a live bat, was recently sidelined in the Dominican Winter League when he was hit in the face with a page and suffered a small fracture of his left cheekbone."

link

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051213&content_id=1281529&am p;vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

hollowspec: What's your favorite beer? Dan Johnson: Free.

by FireballerHARDEN on Dec 13, 2005 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

How?

How do you get hit in the face with a page? That must be one thick book!

"If I'm not having fun, then I am not playing well" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 13, 2005 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

their bad, not mine.

My best guess is "pitch" not "page"

hollowspec: What's your favorite beer? Dan Johnson: Free.

by FireballerHARDEN on Dec 13, 2005 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

Maybe they meant a pager?

by OaktownTribesman on Dec 13, 2005 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's the page

that Milton Bradley plans on turning in his career.

by RunRickeyRun on Dec 13, 2005 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe ...

... he worked for Congress in the late '70s/early '80s ...

... OK, I'll do it myself: BAnNeD!!!

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2005 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

talking toa dodger fan

he says Perez is real good, just not so great with the glove, but with Wash im not worried. looks like we got out new Scutaro, and a better one

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

its the dom league

report was prolly translated wrong, means Pitch is my guess

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 13, 2005 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This should be great

Ethier gone, eh never bad when you want to add some power and good bats along the way, good for our boys from oakland.

The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it.-W. M. Lewis

by doublehustle22 on Dec 13, 2005 3:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

got my question answered on MLB Radio

of sorts. The guy wasn't too bright.

Said Kielty has no trade value (correct), but I was more talking about PAYTON being traded to a team needing a CF, rather then Kielty as a CF.

Brushed over my Perez injury question.

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 3:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Frank Thomas

I would not automatically assume Frank Thomas is going to be signed. We haven't heard much in a while, and last we heard, multiple baseball execs were impressed by Thomas' shape and attitude. I'm still optimistic that we'll sign him, but right now we can't go filling lineup cards and assigning positions thinking Thomas is in the bag.

If in fact we do end up signing Thomas, we can trade Payton to the Yanks who are still looking for a CF. As of now, DJ is our DH, and we have arguably the best defense in baseball.

by OaktownTribesman on Dec 13, 2005 3:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Got another question answered

under another name (used Tom from Seattle)

Asked "If Dinosours existed today, would they belive in Carl Everett"

He didn't have an answer :P

There are only two races in Baseball, Right Handers and Left Handers.

by Zonis on Dec 13, 2005 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

let's just remember...

2 of the best franchise player's had real bad tempers and battle with alcoholism and violence.

Miltion Bradley, please meet:

Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersley

Here's hoping you follow in their footsteps to a bright future!

Billy Beane: "....it's way cooler to be an a's fan". Larry Kreuger: "....but i like our old decripity eroding worse tomorrow then they are today team"

by ST on Dec 13, 2005 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Black Mike

earned the nickname for a reason and Lefty Grove had a serious temper. Reggie Jackson wasn't the most popular teammate either.

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by devo on Dec 13, 2005 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I still remember..

Back when Stewart was pitching against the Cleveland Indians in the late 80's, he beaned their catcher.

Although the catcher charged the mound, Stewart picked him up and threw him against the ground and just started pummeling him!

For a pitcher, Stewart was immensely intimidating with his death stare and his ability to pitch inside, then utilize his fork ball to get people out, not to mention his physical presence and attitude!

Billy Beane: "....it's way cooler to be an a's fan". Larry Kreuger: "....but i like our old decripity eroding worse tomorrow then they are today team"

by ST on Dec 13, 2005 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perez's D....

For anyone who thinks perez cant play D all i have to say is Ron Washington. Wow i love this move

"I play infield, outfield, and pitcher i'm an all around player and bitch i'll hit ya" -Mac Dre

by Schwanie2 on Dec 13, 2005 5:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

ST

I was at that game. The catcher was Andy Allanson, who was not a small dude (6'5", 225). And, if I remember correctly, I think Stew broke out some of his karate moves on Allanson. Andy didn't stand a chance -- Stew didn't just have the most intimidating stare out there, he could back it up too (Lee Smith in starter's clothes).

Thanks for reviving the old baseball brawl memories. I frequently re-hash that game with my friends...

by Uncle Charlie on Dec 13, 2005 7:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Don't Worry About Milton's Temper

First of all, Oakland is the HOME of second chances. The much hated Al Davis brings convicts, criminals, has-beens, crackheads and everyone else into Raider land and they somehow get along. It's been a similar story with the A's throughout the years... maybe it's the weather, but people get along in Oakland.

Second of all, all of these so-called Bradley blowups are blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. Milton's "history" of domestic abuse is tied to allegations and charges, he's never been convicted of anything. His dugout "brawl" with Jeff Kent was... oh wait, did you say Jeff Kent? That explains everything -- Jeff Kent is a fucking asshole. And as for crawling into the stands... let's just say I fully support any player's right to come into the stands if some dickhead fan is hurling racial epithets or batteries at them. Fans need to learn how to behave if they expect players to learn how to behave.

Lastly, our clubhouse is about as cohesive as it gets. Milton will fit right in... don't you worry. Let's get excited about the fact that we just robbed LA blind in this deal. We add a #2-6 switch-hitter with good defense for an unproven prospect with one good year in AA and an outstanding AZ Fall League season. Adam Piatt anyone? Shane Spencer anyone? Flash-in-the-pan you very much? I may be wrong, but I'll take the guy with the longer track record...

by Uncle Charlie on Dec 13, 2005 8:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Exaggerations

I would say even you are exaggerating Bradley's incidents. For instance there were no charges of domestic abuse pressed, and his incident with Kent was definitely not a brawl, not even a heated argument. All he did was go to the press and state that Kent was was making him uncomfortable. He was very calm when he stated it.

by OaktownTribesman on Dec 13, 2005 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good points...

I don't expect Bradley to be a problem. Now, we do have problems if Payton is sitting on the bench.

If we get Thomas, Payton has to go.

Steal more!

by magnantecandunk on Dec 13, 2005 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Has anybody heard about Perez's character?

I was reading an article that mentioned that Perez might have an attitude problem. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

"Perez, 25, also flashed potential but his attitude was consistently in question. He was less than popular in the clubhouse and it hardly appears coincidence he already has been traded four times in his young career."

http://whittierdailynews.com/sports/ci_3307503

by spookster1013 on Dec 14, 2005 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don't really like this trade,

but that is only because I have seen firsthand being an Eagles fan what a bad apple can do! Otherwise I am all for the trade.

"I think he'll fit right in with our team concept" "That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?"

by EglAthltcsFan on Dec 14, 2005 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm a Niners fan

and I remember TO leading us to all of the glory we've had in recent years ... he didn't do so badly for you guys at first either.

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by devo on Dec 14, 2005 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

PAST TEXAS LEAGUE MVP's

1999- Adam Piatt, Midland (.345 AVG, 39 HR, 135 RBI)
2000- Keith Ginter, Round Rock (.333 AVG, 26 HR, 92 RBI)
2001- Jason Lane, Round Rock
2002- Chad Tracy, El Paso
2003- Justin Leone, San Antonio
2004- Ryan Shealy, Tulsa
2005- Andre Ethier, Midland (.316 AVG, 18 HR, 79 RBI)

and piatt and ginter drawf Ethier....i really love this deal now

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 14, 2005 5:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs