Nightmare on 66th Avenue
Ken Macha is Glenn Close waiting to jump out of the bathtub. You thought the concept of Macha as the A's manager was dead. You'd already moved on.
And then like JR being shot on Dallas, it was all a dream.
I was never a huge Macha hater like many around here, but I'd also gotten in the mindset of accepting a change. I'd even started to look forward to seeing another person making the decisions. Perhaps Ron Washington was finally going to get his chance. Maybe lifelong friend Bob Geren was going to get a shot. Maybe even A's killer Orel Hershiser was about to join.
But Macha? I'd put that memory to rest like moving on from an ex-wife. Guess what? The ex-wife is back and we're married to her for another three years.
They were discussing it on KNBR and many think that it was Billy Beane who relented and realized he made a mistake letting Macha go. I personally think that Macha suddenly realized that his only option was the A's or unemployment. So, I imagine the conversation went something like this:
Macha: "Hi Betty, is Billy in?"
Betty: "Who is this?"
Macha: "It's Ken. Ken Macha."
Betty: "Geren, stop playing around."
Macha: "No, really, it's Ken. Can I just talk to him please?"
Betty: "OK, please hold."
Hold music plays New Edition's Home Again.
Billy picks up.
Beane: "Is this really Macha?"
Macha: "Yeah, Billy it's me."
Beane: "Ken, I've got interviews with DeFrancesco and Hershiser coming up. I don't really have time to chat."
Macha: "Billy, you remember the time when I brought Rincon in to face Todd Walker in the Boston series the second time and he hit another home run?"
Beane: "Ken, the whole world remembers that."
Macha: "Well, I think I made a big mistake again. I really never wanted to leave Oakland, except that Pittsburgh job was so appealing. I interviewed and they realized they wanted Jim Tracy instead."
Beane: "Hoofah, how bad is it when Pittsburgh doesn't want you? What's your point, Ken?"
Macha: "I want a chance to finish what I started and I'll accept your original offer."
Beane: "Ken, this is going to look bad for everyone involved. We publicly claimed it was over. We're going to start to look like Pam Anderson and Tommy Lee."
Macha: "I'm OK with that. I just want my job back."
Beane: "All right, I guess. Man, Washington and Geren are going to be pissed."
Macha: "Don't worry, my calm demeanor will help rub off on them."
Beane: "That's what I'm afraid of."
Yes, folks, Mild-Mannered Macha and his gum chewing are officially back. We had all moved on to new possibilities. New opportunities.
But the dream is over and we've got Macha back. Dream on.
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How do the Fans Feel?
tell me this is a bad dream/nightmare
by china bob on Oct 14, 2005 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I, personally, find it hard to believe ...
Why does it all of a sudden feel
Macha is that excuse?
Except...
Of course, it could go like this...
Lifesize cardboard cutout of Lew Wolff in front of the team before a game.
Ken Macha: Every time we win, we pull of a piece.
The A's: WE FORFEIT!!!
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 14, 2005 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether Macha is here or not
<barf>
Billy is a drama queen.
:)
That's part of what makes him so loveable.
WooHoo!
Or I just like his familar face.
I don't think we need much change. And Ken is a steady hand on the ship.
I'm happy...
Why?
I would hardly be shocked to find that most people welcome having Macha back.
Just shocking to me.....
by OaktownPower on Oct 14, 2005 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't either.
Me neither...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 14, 2005 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel bad for that guy.
I mean....
Not surprised
Qualified would be up for debate...
by OaktownPower on Oct 14, 2005 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just not
You are wiser than I.....
by OaktownPower on Oct 14, 2005 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect R-Wash
Sounds about right
by swanwilliam on Oct 14, 2005 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
REHIRED MACHA NOW!
Diplomacy = 0 in Beane's book
I guess Billy really doesn't care what it looks like to reverse yourself:
- Takes the Boston GM job then returns
- Gives the Mets a short window at Howe, then gives them another one when the first one fails.
- Rehires Macha after first effectively firing him.
by athletics02115 on Oct 14, 2005 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
Claims he would never break up the big three.
by portlandoaks on Oct 15, 2005 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
It was Bobby's death that was a dream....
...or maybe it'll be Bud Selig that takes off HIS mask. We'll find out he's really Suzanne Pleshette(if you remember the last "Newhart" episode....another dream sequence)
by Rob @ Athletics Nation on Oct 14, 2005 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
Ah, I never watched Dallas any way
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 14, 2005 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Bobby dies,
by Checkswing HR on Oct 14, 2005 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The main thing that bothers me about Macha
I usually think he handles the pitching staff fairly well and the bullpen. Remember, he coaxed 88 wins out of a team that had been ravaged by injuries and inconsistent offense.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 14, 2005 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
That indifference and stubbornness
by OaktownPower on Oct 14, 2005 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nick speaks....
Jesus...
by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 14, 2005 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
Jesus?!?
When Swisher turns the other cheek
no, JESUS!
Pastafarian....
P.S. If you don't know about the F.S.M. you are really missing out, I'll find a link and post it later.
by PosterNutbag44 on Oct 14, 2005 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What is that?
by Checkswing HR on Oct 14, 2005 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Cognitive dissonance
ha!
Blez, your mock phone conversation between those two was hilarious. I just read it to my mom. I doubt she's ever laughed so hard at work. Good stuff, man.
by rocksolidrichharden on Oct 14, 2005 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
so strange
I guess at this point
Saint and BBG
and china bob?
by Checkswing HR on Oct 14, 2005 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that means no
<throws chair>
(we really need a shirt that says that)
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I'm going to just make a shirt.
Maybe we're the only ones who want one.
I'd buy 10!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
There DOES need to be a shirt that says that. Blez should totally have them. I'd buy one in an instant.
Damn. If there's any time for a <throws chair>, this is it. Stupid Macha.
by the way
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 14, 2005 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
Don't tease me.
good link
Ratto
I can see it now....
wash < sniff >
"I still hope I made a good showing when I talked to them. I hope I impressed them.''
obviously neither wash nor geren
both would probably have been cheaper than macha, so beane must really prefer macha to either of those other options otherwise he would just go with whoever was cheapest.
WHA?!
by dpetri2000 on Oct 14, 2005 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
I'll say it again
by OaktownTribesman on Oct 14, 2005 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
that is definitley
Certainly possible.
good point. other evidence:
you have to love that we're on the cutting edge of dangerous science and reckless medical treatments....
Well, now at least everyone knows one thing
If there was ANY confusion in anyone's mind - players, coaches, media, fans - we all know that the front office is firmly in charge, and hell, I can live with that.
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on Oct 14, 2005 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
note to macha
The post rehiring converstion
Ken - Let's go to Nation's!!
The fans in Pittsburgh or KC might be comparing Macha haters to a rich kids who cry about NOT having enough toys.
Real quick
This move is so much worse than just giving Macha an extension right off the bat (which I wouldn't have minded). The manager is supposed to be respected, and in this situation it appears that kenny is crawling back with his tail between his legs. I think that might hurt his reputation among the players. They should have taken the deal off the table once negotiations with other potential managers began.
Diplomatic middle-ground?
The promotion of Geren would almost be seen as nepotism because of his close relationship to BB. No one would be viewed as more of a pawn than Geren. An easy way to avoid this and not completely piss off your friend - rehire the old guy.
Macha tested the waters and when no one bit, he came back home. BB saw that he could rehire a productive manager for what he was offering and possibly keep the peace amongst his staff and clubhouse. Seems like an odd situation, but the decision is not completely stupid.
Question: will Lacheman return as bench coach? If not, will Geren or Washington be offered the job?
How's this for a theory:
Is it possible that Billy has more information to make a decision than we do? Not to mention baseball smarts?
by Checkswing HR on Oct 14, 2005 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, that is the real question!!
I am equally amazed as all others at AN by this sudden turn of events, and even though I was one of Macha's largest distractors, I was also in the minority on AN who voted to accept Ken's return. Just shows how my head is still spinning, trying to see the situation and future with some sort of clarity...but so far little clarity.
What I think may have been behind Billy's thinking is how close (as in really CLOSE) Billy thinks the A's will be in 2006 to making a run at the Whole Enchilada.
And that Billy is trying to insure some sort of stablility with the team....stability in spring training and during April and May, especially.....but I, like all others here, would love to know what really took place before and during the conversation. Somehow the Geren and Wash interviews also had to play some part in Billy's thinking.
by robertmelvin on Oct 14, 2005 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I Want Wash
Had to make this....
have your speakers on.
safe for work.
by Ryan Hadden on Oct 14, 2005 1:00 PM PDT reply actions
haha
by dpetri2000 on Oct 14, 2005 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
http://athleticsrehiremacha.ytmnd.com/
by Ryan Hadden on Oct 14, 2005 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
by secret ASian man on Oct 14, 2005 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Greatest
by franks a lot on Oct 15, 2005 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
players seem happy
by 415goas on Oct 14, 2005 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
Swisher
by OaktownTribesman on Oct 14, 2005 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Why shouldn't Swisher be happy?
Ask Melhuse if he is happy, or Ginter, or Yabu, or Bynum, Watson and the other guys who sat for 6 months. It was revealing last night when watching the Cardinals how they talked about how the bench players had helped the team win so many games, but in Oakland that is just a fantasy.
by china bob on Oct 14, 2005 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Meet the new boss...
That's some funny stuff...
by Alameda Greg on Oct 14, 2005 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
ha
Blez totally called it
Ahhh....
Kidding! ;)
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 14, 2005 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
and Ratto's wrong again...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/06/SPGAJF39BV1.DTL
I guess they call it the bottom line for a reason...
one bright spot
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/10/14/SPGRSF8D561.DTL
Thank you!
kendall chimes in
"I think everyone had the same reaction," Kendall said. "It's pretty amazing. ... But I'm happy for 'Mach.' He's a good dude, and I think we're gonna have a good team next year."
"I have no idea what happened, and it doesn't really matter, because that's not my area," Kendall said. "Billy runs the show, and he obviously knows what he's doing."
I knew it!
Welcome to Oakland, Kendall!
Hahaha, I loved that quote.
Though I will forgive Kendall, since he DID use the word 'dude'.
I've been critical
by Checkswing HR on Oct 14, 2005 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
I'm an equal-opp'y Macha AND Beane basher
after thinking about it on my lunch break
If only...
Now I only hope BB trades Kendall to the Padres for a hitting coach!
by AAAAAces on Oct 14, 2005 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
Strange Case of Billy and Ken
- Let's not forget that Beane moved Howe to New York to ensure that he wouldn't lose Macha after the 2002 season;
- Please read the Nightengale column in USA Sports Weekly yesterday where Macha basically goes negative on Beane, saying that this past offseason (after resisting for nearly a year and a half) he finally read Moneyball, after friends imploring him not to. Macha "seethed" about Beane's disposable philosophy toward managers. It went on to say that he had a tough year, having to get lineup approaval from Beane and assorted other indiginities;
- Macha's options were few and far between;
- Like I predicted, beane was underwhelmed with the Geren-Wash options;
- Don't you think Curt Young might have offered an opinion regarding either Hershiser or Bud Black, the two most prominent names to emerge in the past several days? "After all i did this year, you'd bring in another pitching coach to be my boss?"
- Both sides got off of their high horses and realized that, for the money, each couldn't do any better.
About Wash...
I don't think it is fair to say that Billy was "underwhelmed" by Wash and Geren. We don't know what he thinks of them. We don't know how the interviews went. For all we know, this may have been the plan all along.
Billy may have just called Macha's bluff right back. When Macha tried to call him out and say $4Mil, Billy just said, ok, we will see about that... and then he just sat back and waited for Macha to come crawling back. Who knows!
So to say that Wash was not cut out for the job as Manager is not giving Wash his much deserved respect. The reality is, we DON'T know what was going on in Billy's head. This whole thing may not have a single thing to do with his reaction to Wash or Geren. So I really think that we should stop playing that card.
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 14, 2005 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha "Like I predicted"
by OaktownPower on Oct 14, 2005 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone Take a Deep Breath....
And if that still doesn't help, how about focusing on Huston's Ass?

NOW don't you feel better??
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 14, 2005 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
I didn't feel all that bad to begin with...
I'm with you on Rincon, btw, but I'd be willing to give post-surgical painless Dotel another chance...
You know the funniest thing
At the last homestand when the players wives were doing the Breast Cancer grab bags with the signed baseballs, I went to contribute to the fund for myself and a friend.
When we opened out grab bags we couldn't figure out who signed my friends baseball ...until we saw the little slip of paper inside... it was good ole' Ricardo Rincon !!!
We were laughing so hard about the odds of getting one of our least favorite players... the people around us thought we were nuts...
We still laugh about it almost everyday...
Take a deep breath
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/7/16/85730/8391
I'll even stand by my own comment in the diary:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/16/85730/8391/6#6
It could be much, much worse folks.
lol moment...
Ditto, Mark. :)
Ellis is all things adorable.
I'm no big fan of Macha ...
one other thing ...
The rumblings of the offseason...
"Now batting for the Athletics...
He's cutting it back in early November, he said?
My biggest worry
by portlandoaks on Oct 15, 2005 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad blood???
Why WOULD Macha want to return? It's like getting dumped, bitching about the other person, and then taking them back.
This makes no sense.
Why?
by OaktownPower on Oct 14, 2005 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder the same thing if the article is true
by china bob on Oct 14, 2005 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I got the news via official A's email list
But the one announcing Macha comes throught
Imagine my surprise
I've always said "expect the unexpected' when it comes to Beane and players. I guess i have to add when it comes to managers as well
<deep breath>
Enjoy the rest of your birthday!!!!!!!
BB girl should have one
This is setting up...
I'm pissed.
I'm sick of September melt downs. I thought maybe Wash or Geren or Black or Hershiser might understand this, and figure out how to do it (and it's not easy -- I sure as heck couldn't do it). But no.
Please, Mach, prove me wrong!!
PT and the tail-end of the roster
A good RH power DH will make this disappear.
Do you think the A's could have beaten the Yanks - they sure didn't during the season----oh and without two starters in games 4 and 5 --and the one for game 5 is this years probable Cy Young winner. Fact is the A's finished 7 games back cuz we couldnt beat KC and the Twins without Harden.
2003 - Boston had a fearsome lineup and Pedro---we had our usual post season pitching injuries we couldn't overcome.
Position by position not many A's will displace players on the LCS teams in a comparison - and all have equivilent or better pitching.
Macha may not be great but he isn't the difference. Torre left Wang in too long and didn't even have someone warming up.Scoicsia had his thrid string catcher in the game - he could have used Benji. All Managers error.
A healthy Harden and a good RH stick fixes the A's not having a third base coach learn how to manage at the MLB level.
Macha has so little charisma
Wilbon: Tony, you're Ken Macha. The A's said they were done with you, but now you've wormed your way back in the door. How did you do it?
Tony, impersonating Macha--with lovable Macha cut-out picture in front of him: Let me ask you somethin': Could you resist this face? I mean, look at this face--could you resist this face?
3 more years
Here's what I want to believe
by kkdaz on Oct 14, 2005 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
Hmm
by As89 on Oct 14, 2005 2:50 PM PDT reply actions
Kyli SMASH!!!
Dude. You're dead-on with your assessment. I did like how Macha's improved since he started as manager, since it gave me hope that I wouldn't be so angry someday. And the Dairy Queen thing was nice. And the players liked him.
But it was SO MUCH FUN thinking about the future. Something new and fresh and that we weren't ready to strangle with hatred for the way he goes cracktastic on the bullpen and hates Adam Melhuse.
THINK OF THE MELHUSE, PEOPLE.
This makes me sad. I think Blez's assessment of the phone call was right on. Can't wait to see the next interview with Blez and Billy, 'cuz... dude. I mean. DUDE.
No doubt in my mind that Macha realized he wouldn't have teams pounding on his door to pour cash on him, that he had a damn good thing in Oakland, so he came crawling back to Billy on his KNEES. BEGGING. Those KNBR guys are absolute idiots to think otherwise. I wish I was listening at the time, so I could have called them.
I'm so bummed. I was excited. Hell, I was even starting to believe that Wash might have a chance for the job.
I ALWAYS think of Melhuse!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 14, 2005 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
me too
Blez, your comments are priceless. I love it! I laughed so hard I almost choked when I read this:
"But Macha? I'd put that memory to rest like moving on from an ex-wife. Guess what? The ex-wife is back and we're married to her for another three years."
by 30something on Oct 14, 2005 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
On the bright side
It mentions the A's & Billy Beane.
Link
by baseballgirl on Oct 14, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hilarious...
Nurse: Dr. Morgan will see you now.
Patient: No thanks, I'll just die.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 14, 2005 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh.
by rookieoftheyear on Oct 14, 2005 3:05 PM PDT reply actions
NOOOOOO!!!!!
I can't take it!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 14, 2005 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
unless they can find a better lefty
how about a LRP ...
OK, OK, small sample size (due to Macha's under-utilization of him) ... but why can't Flores simply replace Rincon?
Drama Llama Fleece Hat Night
Drama Llama lives!
Weep.
He said the ball hit the ground
His comments were brief. He said that Macha was acting a bit "sheepish" and didn't really want to talk about the deal. Can't remember what else he said, and unfortunately the conversation switched to the stupid pitch that was caught/not caught for AssJack's 3rd strike.
resigned to remacha
by conmack on Oct 14, 2005 3:14 PM PDT reply actions
mehhh
According to Jason Kendall
FIRE KENDALL NOW!!
Kidding aside (sort of), I don't think we would have been better off with Geren or Washington or anyone else out there. The manager pool doesn't exactly scream success except for Tracy, and he doesn't fit our system. Geren was a very average AAA manager and Wash has never had legitimate success managing (not coaching, managing).
SCOISCA
SO FRIGGIN LAUGHABLE!
How to Ruin a perfectly good off season by Billy B
Disgusting, just disgusting.
by Morada Mudshark on Oct 14, 2005 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
Worst manager in Oaakland A's history?
You are either new to the team or the Bay Area or both but anyone who was here during the Steve Boros era witnessed much, MUCH worse. The guy was clueless as wwas the redoubtable Jackie Moore, Jim Marshall and Bobby WInkles. Macha has his flaws but worst manager in A's history? Not even close...
by SyMapleleaf on Oct 14, 2005 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Earth to Macha!!! You are no Billy or Phil!!!!
I still cannot believe he is back...Damn!!!
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 14, 2005 4:11 PM PDT reply actions
Hahahahaha...oh, man...
Yes, I was kinda looking forward to a new manager and what he might bring, but the bottom line is that we have a capable team next year. Some astute moves by Billy and we could potentially have a really good team. If the players love Macha and the coaches love Macha, maybe it will inspire enough in this potentially great team to rise above the odd late hook or strange line-up. Maybe.
Point is, I'm willing to put my trust in the guy again. I think pretty much everyone who contributed to this 2005 success (and yes, it was a success despite not making the play-offs) can only go better next year. There's no reason to disbelieve that. Geez..."In Billy We Trust", you say? Doesn't seem like it sometimes.
Macha is not the spanner in the works of a Championship winning machine people think he is. If our team is good enough, he's not bad enough to wreck it.
Please breathe a little easier, folks.
Being the A's manager is like..
by As89 on Oct 14, 2005 4:32 PM PDT reply actions
Lol
when he says take it or leave it he means it
there is no mystery about what Billy and the A's do
dont ask them to change
take it or leave it
by eastcoaster on Oct 14, 2005 4:34 PM PDT reply actions
What are you guys, made of stone?
"It all started with that call," Beane said. "I think it took a lot for him to pick up that phone. It was probably not an easy call for him to make."
Tell me you're not sobbing.
Macha being back doesn't really
I don't think the A's job is very appealing to the majority of baseball. I think the perception is that there is too much micro-managing from the GM's office. I don't know whether this is true or not, but my gut feeling is that there is a great deal of shall we say "help" from the GM's office.
knowns
There are known unknowns, things we know we don't know
There are unknown unknowns, things we don't know we don't know.
-Donald Rumsfeld
by secret ASian man on Oct 14, 2005 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
NO FUCKING WAY...
by rsur5 on Oct 14, 2005 4:55 PM PDT reply actions
Macha should get a chance
by A'sfansince1970 on Oct 14, 2005 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
OH my god!!
Happy birthday, BBgirl:)
by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Oct 14, 2005 4:59 PM PDT reply actions
3 more years of Macha? I haven't been this excited
Break out the whistles and party hats.
by miguel on Oct 14, 2005 5:15 PM PDT reply actions
paging apricot
They BETTER NOT trade Zito
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on Oct 14, 2005 5:17 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed.
"Look into your heart"
LOL!!
and remember, always put on in the brain!
Ron "Tic Tac" Washington
maybe it'll be piazza's body in the woods
T-Shirt Tale

Which has now been shoved off its perch by this one:

:)
by OaktownTribesman on Oct 14, 2005 6:36 PM PDT reply actions
It seems like...
If he didn't, even better; they could get Wash (though maybe not if Billy was quick to pick Mach back up), or one of the other guys from within.
I've never actually hated him, though I would've preferred Wash or something homegrown. Macha's been with these guys for a while now, and coupled with his growing experience (good or ill) as a manager, should help the A's contend.
the article did mention that the fourth year
It's one thing ...
by SalParadise on Oct 14, 2005 10:49 PM PDT reply actions
please
Point of order.
I say let's show Macha a little respect. I, for one, am so tired of in-fighting.
I like the way Billy runs the team and like the way Macha handles the players.
Why search for a figure-head manager when what we need to find is a big bat to bat DH behind Chavvy.
Billy didn't do anything to dis Macha.
And Macha did not do any crawling.
I thought both Beane and Macha handled the situation with great dignity and candor.
Now let's move on.
by Edwinwinwin on Oct 16, 2005 12:14 AM PDT reply actions

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