Drinking the Kool Aid
For those of you that are newer to this site, I'm proud to say that I drank the Beane-flavor Kool Aid.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the man knows how to cover for his mistakes. First, Kotsay for Hernandez and Terrence Long. Now, Kendall for Rhodes and Redman.
It's just wondrous to watch the man work. He should do children's parties. Watch him stuff Redman and Rhodes into a top hat and pull out Kendall. Beane the Magnificent.
I love this trade for Kendall, and I think Faust did an excellent job of dissecting it below (This is why I love the diary function on AN because the opportunity for the community to make such an argument is unprecendented in the sports blogging world).
Does this also give Beane additional trading chips to help the team out down the stretch in 2005? Chips named Baker, Brown, Suzuki and Powell? Every team wants a great young catcher and since our big club is set in that position for the next three seasons (barring trades), is it possible that Billy uses those youngsters as his "orange chips?"
You can use this thread for more discussion of Kendall's addition and what this means for the future of the Big Three as well as other tremors through the organization.
I'm going to go back to playing MVP Baseball 2004 on my XBox and drinking my Kool Aid. Oh, not that it means anything, but Kendall hit two home runs in his first two swings in his first two at-bats after I traded for him.
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by ucla kid on Nov 27, 2004 9:52 PM PST reply actions
High heat baseball 2002
by Athletics fan and runner on Nov 28, 2004 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Blez,
Anyway with this trade we may have acquired that 100-RBI guy people want. His name is Eric Chavez. Or maybe Erubiel Durazo. (Or both?) It's easier to drive in Jason Kendall from first or second base than it is to drive in Mark McLemore from the seat he took in the dugout after grounding out.
Why be so kind?
Come now
USS Mariner on the trade
I swear that Billy Beane is satan.
We need to have some kind of advertising campaign for the other poor 29 teams that have to deal with this.
"Just say no! It may sound cool now, maybe some of your friends are doing it, but dealing with Billy Beane will destroy your team, your family, and your internal organs"
Jesus, the guy could sell ice to eskimos...then steal all of it! Then take their clothes and charge them $10 each for the trouble!
Billy Beane is THE BEST!
by LongTimeFan on Nov 28, 2004 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Comments from the Pirates blog
This is highway robbery at it's best!
by Mikkoo on Nov 28, 2004 1:45 AM PST reply actions
you're being too hard on Beane
...but he wouldn't steal it back!
...he'd talk them in to giving it back!
-with a smile on their faces! ;-)
by Bleed Green on Nov 29, 2004 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
AL WEST ETC.
Amazing, maybe Schott will open his eyes (and his wallet.) Look at what is happening in the AL West. ESPN mentioned two deals in the works up in Seattle; Carlos Delgado and Richie Sexson, nothing definite, just a rumor, not unlike Kendall was last week. Plus you know Moreno is going to get something down south. The AL West gets tougher every season. We all know with just a bit more money Beane can do wonders.
After watching Swisher in Phoenix last spring I wasn't overly immpressed. However I feel his time spent in Sac really improved his game. Now all can see is Swish flying out of nowhere to snag that ball. He may not have the arm of Dye but he looked good at the plate, patient and capable of doing the job.
by DC in WC on Nov 28, 2004 8:04 AM PST reply actions
Swisher...
by Colorado Fan on Nov 28, 2004 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I saw him play
It is possible
by rickeytime on Nov 28, 2004 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Predictions
by OaktownTribesman on Nov 28, 2004 8:09 AM PST reply actions
let's give ownership it's due
begrudgingly i applaud schott, etc.
NOW JUST SIGN HUDDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ownership
Will Lewis Wolff be the new A's owner in 2007 and beyond?
by OaktownTribesman on Nov 28, 2004 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Lewis Wolff
by paul75 on Nov 28, 2004 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Payroll
Beane's dealings more impressive at lower levels
A little perspective
It's doubtful that the Reds or Brewers would ever have developed Crosby or Harden (the list is even greater) the way the A's did. Beane has acknowledged that we have hands down the best player development director in Lieppman. I tend to agree.
by OaktownTribesman on Nov 28, 2004 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Our farm system
Yes
by OaktownTribesman on Nov 28, 2004 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
re: Swisher 2005?
So even if 2005 is a "go-for-it" season for the A's, that doesn't mean you can accelerate a player's progress "just because." I wouldn't count on better than a .240 avg, .320 OBP for a first full season. Anything better = gravy. Of course, you have to take with a grain of salt anyone who mentions gravy just three days after Thanksgiving. Ooh, did somebody mention salt?
OK, that's it--I clearly have a serious addiction to Thanksgiving leftovers. The only solution is to quit cold turkey.
Get it?
as long as
by ucla kid on Nov 28, 2004 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
SO's
by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 29, 2004 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
is Swisher supposed to be strong defensively?
Slusser and Eric Byrnes: big 3 stay
A done deal: Kendall to A's
Pirates take Rhodes, Redman; will pay part of catcher's salary
Susan Slusser, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, November 28, 2004
Jason Kendall officially became a member of the A's on Saturday. The addition of the pricey All-Star catcher signals that Oakland plans to contend again in 2005 and is willing to add to the payroll to do so.
"More than anything, to me, the biggest part of this whole trade is that it shows the organization is committed to winning a championship,'' A's outfielder Eric Byrnes said.
Kendall is owed $34 million over the next three years, but in sending pitchers Arthur Rhodes and Mark Redman to the Pirates, the A's are shedding two contracts worth a combined $15 million over the next two seasons. (That was a primary reason the trade was able to be completed, according to GM Billy Beane.) Oakland will send $1 million to Pittsburgh each of the next two years, and will get back $7 million in 2007, when Kendall will be due $13 million. So overall, signing Kendall only adds a total of $14 million to the A's payroll if he remains the full three seasons. Beane stressed that he acquired Kendall to keep him, contrary to some reports.
"Everyone understood the need for us to acquire a catcher,'' said Beane, who described Kendall as a great offensive catcher in the prime of his career. "People can see the market for catching is going quickly. Some big-market teams need catching, so we didn't want to wait.''
And the A's didn't settle for either of their modestly priced free-agent targets, Gregg Zaun and Doug Mirabelli. There had been suggestions in the national media that Oakland would be in a rebuilding mode after failing to make the playoffs for the first time in five years. With that came rampant speculation that Beane would trade one of the Big Three, pitchers Barry Zito, Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson.
Redman was the team's fifth starter, however, which means that the A's don't have starting pitching to deal unless they were to obtain a reliable starter in return.
"It kind of makes sense not to break those guys up at this point, because you've traded a starter away,'' Byrnes said. "I can't see the organization wanting to do that unless they absolutely needed to or unless we get something great in return.''
Kendall, who hit .319 with 51 RBIs last year, is an upgrade offensively at catcher (Damian Miller hit .272 with nine homers and 58 RBIs last year for the A's). Kendall's a lifetime .306 hitter with a career .387 on-base percentage. The one thing he lacks is power (three homers last year, 67 in his nine-year career), but Beane won't necessarily look to add a big bat, not even a relatively cheap option such a free-agent Juan Gonzalez. Beane said in a conference call that he's fine with the outfield as currently projected, with Byrnes, Mark Kotsay and rookie Nick Swisher starting, with Bobby Kielty also available. The A's essentially are done talking to their own free-agent right fielder, Jermaine Dye, whom they'd considered bringing back for one year if he didn't find another spot to his liking.
"It looks like going in, Swisher will probably fill that spot,'' Beane said.
If no slugger is added, the offense may have a different approach, especially with Kendall near the top of the order.
"This guy can put the ball in play, can hit-and-run and he doesn't strike out much,'' A's manager Ken Macha said. "The way he handles the bat, there are a lot of things we can do.''
Kotsay, last year's leadoff batter much of the season, suggested that Kendall might hit leadoff, as he did with Pittsburgh, but with left-handed batting Eric Chavez hitting third, it's more likely that Kendall will hit second, behind Kotsay.
Rookie Joe Blanton is the best bet for the fifth spot in the rotation, and recent addition Seth Etherton also is a possibility. The odd man out may land in the bullpen, and 2004 first-round draft pick Huston Street also is considered an option in relief, according to Beane.
The one spot Beane might look to beef up is second base, because Mark Ellis' status remains uncertain as he attempts to return from a season-ending shoulder injury, leaving Marco Scutaro as Oakland's only sure-fire second baseman. The A's have been in contact with Barry Larkin's agent, and, according to reports, they have inquired about Atlanta All-Star Marcus Giles, although it would take a Big Three member to land that caliber of player.
Beane said that Adam Melhuse will remain the A's backup catcher, as expected. With the addition of Kendall, the team will not have to rush any of its excellent minor-league catching prospects, according to Beane, who isn't worried about having a glut of talent at the position.
Sucking Up
Hmmm, that sounds like Byrnes is also drinking the Beane-flavored Kool-Aid... Anything to get land the starting LF job and a contract extension, right Byrnesie? :)
by OaktownTribesman on Nov 28, 2004 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
poker face
that said, i love this deal. kendall's an on base machine and it looks like the big 3 will probably stay in oakland. we'll need as much as we can get since i guarantee the angels will sign at least one huge free agent.
by scooter o on Nov 28, 2004 7:16 PM PST reply actions
Catching Prospects
by Colorado Fan on Nov 29, 2004 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
haha, MVP baseball as predictor
Kendall trade is ok. I guess less Rhodes and less Redman is always great. Addition by subtraction. I don't seriously believe the A's are expecting much out of Kendall. Eric Chavez has to wake the fock up. Look at Beltre--one of the best seasons out of a 3B, playing in another pitcher's park Chavez Ravine. Eric Chavez is consistently good, no greatness. I don't think he will ever have a breakout season. But I digress.
Kendall realistic outlook
(+)
Share leadership w/ Hudson. Eric Chavez will never be leader, and hopefully, he can give 40 HR power.
super D
no more Rhodes/redman.
(bonus)
scores runs 80-100.
hit .300, stay out of groundouts.
Yup, that is their realistic expectation. I really think the A's are not concerned about his OBP or his SLUG percentage. the guy has only gap power.
by suggy on Nov 29, 2004 10:07 AM PST reply actions
Kendall not known for super D
So it looks like the A's will accept some defensive dropoff, in exchange for his offense and leadership qualities.
error stats
Kendall at least still has a chance when he throws it to 2B, and if some of his throws sails away, then so be it.
I think Pass Balls would be a better defensive indicator for catchers. Aggressive catchers will surely have a higher error.
but i agree the same, Kendall needs to step up his defense regardless.
by suggy on Nov 29, 2004 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
2nd Base...
by jarforcefatherofforce on Nov 29, 2004 10:08 AM PST reply actions
2B Giles
by suggy on Nov 29, 2004 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
sign polanco
We already have a two hole hitter
Guzman
by OaktownTribesman on Nov 30, 2004 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
i thought i heard...
boston is in tough with cabarra- wants 5 yrs- boston saying go to hell. if they want polanco for shortstop, then i think that's a mistake. he's much better at 2nd.
money-wise. i'd agree. if he wants more than
4 mm then i might walk away. it depends on what you want to do at other positions i.e. trade hatteburg and his 2.5 mm ass and replace with johnson.
What about Barry Larkin?
by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 29, 2004 8:46 PM PST reply actions
Barry Larkin
by secret ASian man on Nov 29, 2004 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
if Larkin won't consider 2B
Is Q ready?
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Nov 30, 2004 8:37 AM PST reply actions
not ready...
- needs to learn a new position.
- has not yet proven he can hit big league pitching.
Not to Rain on Q's Parade...
What are you talking about?
Q hit .314 in the Cal League in 452 ABs. Are you sure you weren't looking at the wrong guy?
he isn't ready...
p.s. great link though!!!
by bigelephant on Nov 30, 2004 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
i think the point is...
by bigelephant on Nov 30, 2004 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Q in the CL
His CL stats are pretty good, you're right, although his walks total isn't too impressive.
What about Scutaro?
by mitche82865 on Nov 30, 2004 11:00 AM PST reply actions

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