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Your 2005 Oakland Athletics outfield

The outfield: A terrible weakness in '03, a strength in '04, an area of transition and intense discussion on AN so far this post-season.  Let's take a close look at the issues and personnel for 2005.

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1.  Mark Kotsay.  In my mind, with all the discussion about Byrnes and Dye, the #1 question of the A's offseason is going unnoticed:  Mark Kotsay has an opt-out clause in his contract.  Here's something from Susan Slusser in the Chronicle, 11/27/03:  "The A's will pay Kotsay $5.5 million in 2004, and $7 million each of the following two years. He can opt out after any season, but said that he will not do so."  (I've seen Kotsay's contract listed as $6.5M each year for 3 years, but let's assume Slusser's numbers are correct and the other figures are just someone taking a 3-year average.)  From Josh Suchon on the same date:  "The trade allows Kotsay to become a free agent after either of the next two years, but Kotsay doesn't expect to exercise that clause. 'I don't plan on using the contract anymore,' Kotsay said. 'I'm excited to be in Oakland and excited for the next few years.'"

Well now.  I hope that's true, but it's not as if he  waived his contractual rights.  At that time, it seemed like a moot point, since he was coming off an injury-marred, underperforming year, and his contract looked like a bad one.  That's one reason Billy was able to unload T-Long:  The deal was, in part, an exchange of  "bad contracts."  But now the money remaining on Kotsay's contract is down from $19.5M to $14M, and Kotsay is coming off a career year.  Suddenly the contract is almost a bargain.  Kotsay is from southern California, he's played for the Padres, the Pads are a newly-rich team with a lucrative new ballpark with a roomy center field, and they're desperate for a center fielder.  It's not hard to see them (or the Dodgers) being willing if not eager to pony up more years and dollars than Kotsay currently has on his contract, and Kotsay's agent will know this.  He could change his mind about opting out, or use his leverage to get Billy to add years and/or dollars to his current contract, sucking needed dollars out of Billy's budget.  Kotsay's current contract is a perfect fit for the A's in another way:  It expires after 2006, which is just about the time that Javier Herrera and/or Richie Robnett, a couple prospects currently in the low minors who have potential all-star ceilings and who can both supposedly handle center field, may be ready to start providing quality performance on the cheap.

2.  Eric Byrnes.  Let's get one thing clear right off the bat:  There is absolutely, positively no way in hell the A's will fail to offer Eric Byrnes arbitration.  This is not the same thing as to say that he'll be in the Oakland outfield next year.  It's merely to say that he is a valuable commodity, a solid performer at a bargain price, and the A's will realize that value either by playing him themselves or by trading him for something of real value.  Not to offer him arbitration would be to lose this valuable commodity for nothing, which would be stupid.  The A's may be cheap, but they aren't stupid.

Let's look at a few numbers from 2004:

Byrnes:  .814 OPS
Dye:  .793
League average (corner outfielders):  .792

Byrnes was better than Dye last year (also, of course, in 2003), while Dye provided just about exactly league average offense at a gargantuan price.  Dye is a better outfielder, but Byrnes is younger (28 vs. 30), faster, a better baserunner, much more durable, a high-energy guy and a fan favorite, and of course vastly cheaper.  And Byrnes will still be a bargain.  He's a first-year arbitration-eligible coming off a $328,000 salary and a solid (not great, but good) year, he isn't going to break the bank.  I'd say Taj Adib's estimate in another thread of $1.2 - 1.8 million for Byrnes next year sounds about right.

And remember another important fact about Byrnes:  He's not only our starting left fielder, he's our backup center fielder.  As such, he keeps the A's from having to blow a roster spot on a light-hitting defensive specialist in that role (Chris Singleton, anybody?).  He's also a perfect complement to Kotsay:  If you want to rest Kotsay a dozen times a year, you can choose to do it when there's a lefty starting (you always want Byrnes in the lineup when a lefty is out there anyway), preferably when one of our groundball pitchers is starting.  I'm assuming here, until shown otherwise, that the A's would not trust center field to Swisher except in an emergency, not as their "regular" centerfield backup.  I know they played him there in the minors, but that's likely a case of trying to challenge a prospect to test his maximum capabilities; I've never seen a single comment from anyone outside the organization who feels Swisher can handle center on a regular basis, and the A's have been pretty conservative about their defense at the big league level for several years now.  Blez, you watched him a lot, do you have a feel for the team's thinking here?

As useful as Byrnes is on the A's roster, Billy could decide to utilize his value as a trading chip instead.  I disagree with Tal  Adib's expectation that Byrnes could be a .300/30HR guy:  That's not impossible, but it's quite unlikely.  Odds are pretty good, given his age, that his 2004 season is about his peak, and I'd be happy if he just repeated that performance instead of backsliding a bit.  But he has a lot of qualities--good 2004, reasonably young, fast, always hustling, "hair's on fire" plays, white, fan favorite--that make him the sort of player other teams might overpay for.  I'd miss him, but I trust Billy Beane to make the right evaluation here.  Byrnes is useful, and entertaining, but not indispensable.  (Unless we lose Kotsay; Billy can't do anything with Byrnes until he's certain Kotsay is staying.)

  1.  Jermaine Dye.  I like Jermaine, but I don't want to see him back, and despite the polite noises made in today's newspapers that seem to indicate a willingness to explore bringing him back at a lesser price I'd be absolutely shocked if Billy brought him back at any price.  I talked a lot about Jermaine in my Eric Byrnes comments above, but the bottom line is that he's provided two league-average years and one horrible year in the past three, he's a major injury risk and is on the downslope of his career, and with all that he will still command a stiff salary.  It's nothing personal, it's just a consequence of Dye's early-career success, his subsequent injuries, his high current salary, and his free agent status that whoever signs him has no chance whatever of getting a bargain, some chance of getting what they pay for, but a very high risk of getting badly burned.  As an aging and expensive but about league-average player, Dye is exactly the sort of player a smart organization should not consider offering a multi-year contract to, but should be able to find reasonable alternatives.
  2.  Nick Swisher.  And here is that alternative.  I have a strong feeling that the A's will just commit to the rookie from the get-go, as they did with Crosby in 2003.  This will not result in nearly the steep offensive dropoff we experienced from Tejada to Crosby, because the post-2001 Dye is not nearly at Tejada's level.  In fact, I rather expect that Swisher, as a rookie, will match or exceed Dye's 2004 production.  I expect a mediocre batting average, a ton of strikeouts (but Dye is a champion striker-outer himself), lots of walks (enough that his OBP should be an improvement, maybe a big improvement, on Dye's), and 20 home runs (that's not that many for a full-time player, and Swish hit 29 HRs in just 125 games at Sacramento).  Defense:  Sometimes flashy good, sometimes the erratic path to a fly ball, quite a few more errors than you'd like to see.  (Blez, as our "eyes-on" Swisher expert, does that sound right?)  Adequate, and improving.
  3.  Reserve outfielders.  I don't really understand Billy's handling of the scrubs last year--as bad as Kielty (.214/.321/.370) and McMillon (.185/.255/.326) were last year, he never called up guys like Watson or Edwards from AAA.  What are those guys there for, if not as potential major-league reserves (after all, they aren't really prospects)?  Anyway, whatever he does next year, a force stronger than Billy Beane will improve the 4th and 5th outfielders next year, whoever they turn out to be:  A little thing called "regression to the mean."  That is, they sucked so bad the A's would be hard put not to improve those spots even if they tried not to.
Sorry for the godawful long post.  I hope it provided some useful food for thought.  What do you think, AN?

And oh yeah, Go Cal!  KILL the Bruins!!!

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the "elephant" in the living room
thanks for reminding us about the 'opt-out' clause in Kotsay's contract. i agree that it is absolutely essential that Billy ensure that Kotsay does not exercise his right to opt out. We need him in Oakland, especially since we can expect a defensive dropoff between Dye and Swisher.

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2004 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Opt out clause
I thought part of the hold-up of the Kotsay deal (remember, it was reported in the paper, but wasn't made official for several days) was not only that they wanted to get his back checked out some more, but that there were "financial considerations" as well, namely they wanted to eliminate the opt-out clause.

I remember BB saying something like, "it took a lot for us to get him, we want to make sure we have him for three years," or something to that effect.

by bigthree17 on Oct 17, 2004 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he never gave up the opt-out clause
In fact, the trade is what triggered the opt-out clause.  If you can find evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it (and so would a grateful AN).  All I saw was people downplaying the possibility that Kotsay would choose to exercise that clause, not in any way formally waiving it.  Remember, it seemed like a hollow threat at the time, as Kotsay had quite a sweet contract and was coming off a poor year.

Actually, it gets worse; I overlooked something.  Here's another snippet from Susan Slusser, 11/20/03:

"Kotsay will receive an automatic $1 million extra per year because he was traded, so the A's are scheduled to pay him $6.5 million a season for the next three years. Another clause in stipulates that because he was traded, each remaining year becomes a player option -- so Kotsay could declare free agency after any of them. That is highly unlikely. It's a generous contact.

'The last thing that Mark or any people in his camp are thinking about is his ability to be a free agent after each year,' Moorad said. 'He's very excited with the idea of playing in Oakland for the balance of his contract.'''

Yeah well, agents say a lot of stuff, don't they?  I hadn't realized he could opt out next winter as well.  That is a sweet contract: If you flop, the team is locked in, but if you succeed, you can opt out.  Even if he doesn't exercise the clause this year, no way he can refrain from doing so next year if he has any sort of decent season; the leverage is just too compelling.  If Billy negotiates an extension, he needs to negotiate away that player option.

From Billy's perspective, he probably looks at it this way:  He either has a highly valuable center fielder, or he has an extra $7 million to try to repair the damage.  I'd rather have Kotsay.

by Faust on Oct 17, 2004 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dye
when you are including him in here, are you saying he will be back next year? Also, i dont really want to say this, but byrnes could be someone who could sweeten the "proposed" package of redman and rhodes. But in that case it would mean we have to find another outfielder by possibly trading hatteberg. there are a lot of things we can do this year on the market, providing we sign byrnes.
ohad

by ohad on Oct 16, 2004 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
personally I don't like byrnes... I hate redman and rhodes... so if byrnes is need in a trade to strengthen our weaknesses, pull the trigger and throw in redman and/or rhodes.

by ucla kid on Oct 16, 2004 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Food for Thought
Thanks Faust for breaking the outfield down from several different perspectives. I'd like to see similar posts done for other position players and the pitchers.

As far as the outfield goes, I think a Byrnes-Kotsay-Swisher lineup is what we all should expect for next year, if Billy plays the safe route. But that all depends if Billy does not recieve, or conjure, a deal that will:

  1. unload Rhodes' terrible contract
  2. bring in a reliable late-inning reliever
  3. get a big power bat in the lineup
We all know Billy's penchant for getting great value in return for what he trades. So I think all of our outfielders are in effect "on the trading block" if we can swing a sweet deal.  

by Taj Adib on Oct 16, 2004 1:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes is our best bet.
Byrnes must stay! The reasons to consider other options such as trades makes sense on paper but not in real life. What do we need so bad that we have to package Rhodes, Redman, and Byrnes in the same deal. That's a No. 5, a set up man and starting corner outfielder from our potential 2005 roster. And in return what/who do we ask for? What player fits our request for star potential at a bargain price.We dont want a big contract on the books after this year. Unless the player we are talking about could be more valuable than one of the Big Three. Faust is totally right in the assumptioin that Byrnes can match Dye if not better his year this year. Take that and pair it with Swisher's potential for a 20+ HR season and then pick up a quality #4 outfielder who could share the load if Swisher really struggles or maybe even contribute off the bench! WOW what a thought!(think Michael Tucker/Reed Johnson as guys who may be squeezed out of their current situations and be affordable).  Byrnes must stay, Redman goes cause Blanton is ready. Hatteberg is so hard to cut ties with but may be a casualty (depends on Durazo decision). And as for Rhodes we may have to give this guy another chance. There wont be many buyers after last season and he obviously wasn't himself later in the season, his velocity seemed way down and his pitches had no bite. Blame it on injury and give him a chance in spring training to take the role as our 7th inning guy or a 1 out lefty killer. If he does well again you can hold on to him or trade him at the deadline when everyone needs bullpen help. There is always more for sale when the seasons potential has been played out a little. Thats when Beane is his best.

by JSCHWAN on Oct 16, 2004 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Responding to some of these comments...
Ohad, I guess it's a little confusing because of the title I put on this post, but I listed Dye because he's an important part of the discussion, not because I think he'll be here in 2005.  I'm dead certain he's gone.

And I'm happy enough with a Byrnes/Kotsay/Swisher outfield.

I agree that, if Byrnes is traded, a couple main objectives are likely, separately or in combination:  1)  As part of a package bringing another, even better outfield bat in return.  We'd be short one outfielder otherwise, as there's way Billy will count on Kielty going into next year (although I can see him being given a chance to hit his way into the lineup, as Byrnes himself has done the last two years).  2)  He could also be used as a sweetener to entice someone to swallow the Arthur Rhodes "poison pill," as Hernandez did for T-Long last year.

Taj Adib, you say that all of our outfielders can be considered to be "on the trading block" for the right offer, but if you think about it, really it's only Byrnes.  I can't imagine a Kotsay trade where the return could compensate for the hole it would open up.  Centerfielders who excel both offensively and defensively are scarce and expensive commodities, and the A's probably value Kotsay's defense more than any other team would.  As for Swisher, nobody but nobody trades top-of-the-line prospects these days, the years of relatively cheap production are just too valuable to lose.  Besides, as Rob Neyer said of Billy Beane in a chat this year, "I think he'd trade his daughter before he'd trade Nick Swisher. And Billy's devoted to his daughter."  Great line, and true.

Of course, the fact that Byrnes has trade value doesn't mean he'll be traded.  And certainly Kielty could be traded, but that's kind of irrelevant because he really wouldn't bring anything in return at this point.  I'd send him down and see if he can re-establish his value.

by Faust on Oct 16, 2004 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Point about the Trading
Kotsay is really too valuable for us to trade him, unless he makes some noise about opting out of his contract, which you mentioned is a possibility, even with him stating that he won't.

I have never heard of Billy trading a prospect right after promoting him to the big league team, so Swisher's spot is probably pretty firm as well.

Everyone is speculating that for some reason Byrnes will be thrown in with Rhodes and/or Redman for some kind of magical bullpen health. I personally would speculate that Billy would more easily work a backup outfielder like Kielty or McMillon into that trade even it was a possibility.

Throwing Byrnes into a trade to get bullpen health fills one hole by opening another. Not a bright idea.

by Taj Adib on Oct 16, 2004 4:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cost vs value
All good comments above. Faust, nice starting point for the discussion -- and thanks for reminding us of the opt-out clause in Kotsay's contract.

Kotsay's situation regarding a potential trade is a tricky one. He is probably at the height of his perceived value right now, coming off the eye-opening (for the AL) defensive show and the breakout year at the plate. And given his cost in actual and potential dollars (potential cost in that Beane may need to sweeten the pot/extend the contract to keep Kotsay from opting out), his cost may actually outweigh his value to the A's right now. But that opt-out clause would make a trade pretty darn difficult, wouldn't it?

As for Byrnes, on his own he is and should remain an outstanding low-cost value for the A's. It would be very interesting to know just what exactly the opposition's collective opinion on Byrnes is. I honestly don't know what value he would actually have as trade bait and/or as a "sweetener" for the poison-pill Rhodes contract. I'm not saying he doesn't have value to other teams; I just don't know what level they place on his value.

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2004 4:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is difficult to tell
what the value of your players might be to other teams, I agree.  But Byrnes has substantial value to the A's, so there should be no deal that does not yield at least that value in return.  I assume Billy's position on Byrnes is approximately as follows:  Byrnes is someone you don't HAVE to trade and shouldn't be trying to unload, but you should be willing to part with him as part of a "fuckin' A" trade if the right opportunity presents itself.  There's no pressure to sell Byrnes, so he should only sell if he can sell high.

But as for value, hell, I thought Ted Lilly last year had excellent value both to the A's and as trade bait:  very good stuff, dominant performances down the stretch, a magnificent performance in the ALDS that should have gotten the team to the second round if both his defense and his offense hadn't betrayed him abysmally, and still cheap.  But Billy wound up trading him for an assortment of J.P. Ricciardi's used sweatsocks and jock straps, and then replaced him with Redman, who delivered an inferior performance at a far higher price.  So go figure.

by Faust on Oct 16, 2004 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's his value?
He's 28, so his best 4 years are ahead of him.  He had 1 outstanding 1/2 and 1 year at .280, 20 HRs.  He is not Free agent eligible for 3 years.  He runs into walls and is a fan favorite.  He is extremely telegenic.  What is there not to love.  I'm thinking an east coast team, so he can be on ESPN every night. He'd be the talk of the town in New York, Chicago, St.Louis or Boston.  What about LA or Anahiem.  But I still believe he's going to SF.  They need a publicity stunt to calm those Brain Dead talk show hosts on KNBR.  Byrnes is Perfect.   And takes the heat off Bonds without causing a stir in the Clubhouse.  I'm telling ya.  If they don't offer 3 years, he'll go to arbitration. Beane doesn't go for that. So then do you trade his rights?  They have very little value, Though the Giants did get Pyrzynski that way. But You are right Where do we find a player That is reaching his prime for less money?  This should be interesting!      

by A s Avengers Dad on Oct 16, 2004 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Waking up in a cold sweat ...
... because I read this post about how Kotsay, the only good thing about the last A's offseason, could ruin this one by opting out of his contract.  Man, oh, man, I hope he doesn't.  I guess thank you, Faust, for being the messenger of this bad news.

As for everyone looking for the blockbuster deal that would unload Rhodes and Redman, it's not going to happen.  I think we all need to take a long hard look at the likelihood that they'll be back next year.  And hey--is it that bad?  If Rhodes is not our closer but a set-up guy, and he's healthy, that could work out.  (shrug)  He could have something left.

And with Redman, aren't we just kind of picking on him because he's sort of lumpy, a guy who could be hard to pick out of a lineup with Jim Mecir?  With him on the mound, the A's won about half the time.  You know that stat they always showed about Marco Scutaro having the best average of any No. 9 hitter in the league?  Well Mark Redman was, if not the best, then one of the top three fifth starters in the league.  Maybe they can try a grand experiment in 2005 by having him only pitch road games.  (shrug, again)

But seriously, all I really want for this offseason is to avoid any trades as mind-bogglingly dumb as Lilly for Kielty.  And isn't it freakin' amazing that Billy Beane, undisputably one of the best GMs in the game, could make a trade that looked that bad at the time, and still looks that bad a year later.  And there aren't too many people around saying, "Well you just wait, because Bobby Kielty has tremendous upside."  

You know BB and JP Riccardi are supposedly friends, so maybe, hopefully, the deal was part of an agreement whereby this offseason the A's will trade Arthur Rhodes and Mark Redman to the Jays for Carlos Delgado (pretend he's not a free agent).  But alas, I fear that's not the case, and it's more likely that BB had lost a high-stakes game of poker with Riccardi the previous night and was only paying up when he handed Ted Lilly over to his friend for the price of one orange-haired utility outfielder.

by rubin sierra on Oct 17, 2004 12:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lilly for Kielty
I liked the trade when it first went down, because I thought the A's had seen the best Lilly had to offer and Kielty's bat looked intruiging.

I admit it doesn't look so good now. Thank goodness for hindsight!

by grover on Oct 17, 2004 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call your optometrist, Rubin
Jim Mecir is 6'1" with two club feet and one leg shorter than the other. He's also a little chunky.

Mark Redman is 6'5" and weighs about the same as Mecir even though he's 4" taller.

If you can't separate those two out of a lineup, you probably shouldn't be driving without corrective lenses.

by monkeyball on Oct 17, 2004 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

arbitration
I think some people are looking at the fact that the A's don't go to arbitration much and wrongly concluding that avoiding arbitration is part of Beane's approach. The fact is, very few players from any team end up in arbitration (although the numbers have gone up a bit in the last couple of years). The teams offer arbitration to their eligible players and in most cases the two sides end up agreeing on a 1- 2- or 3-year contract instead. As Faust said above, given Byrnes' level of performance (solidly league-average for a corner outfielder) and probable cost ($1-2 million dollars a year for the next 3 years), he has inherent value, and there's no way that Beane gives that up by non-tendering him. A trade is a possibility, as with any other player, but I expect to see Byrnes in Oakland for at least another year or two. After Swisher, the next top outfield prospects (Herrera, Robnett, Putnam) are still in the low minors.

Very nice analysis overall, faust. The only quibble I have is that I think expecting Swisher to outperform Dye right away is too optimistic. He looked decent in his brief call-up at the end of the year, and is major-league ready, in the sense that there isn't much more he could learn in AAA, but most players need some time to adjust to major league pitching, and I wouldn't expect numbers much better than what Crosby did as a rookie (around .750 OPS).

When Kotsay was struggling in his first two months in Oakland, who would have thought that we'd be worrying about him opting out of his contract. He could probably get a little more on the open market right now (Johnny Damon makes $7.75 million/year), but $6.5 million is still pretty good money, and the facts that Oakland is a competitive team and that he had his breakout year here after struggling in SD might be enough to convince him to stay.

Now that Edwards has been outrighted, it looks like Kielty and Watson are the leading contenders for the backup spots.

by andeux on Oct 17, 2004 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Swisher
You may of course be right that I'm too optimitstic about Swisher, but I'm basing it on 2 things:  1) The bar isn't really set that high, because Dye's performance, while sound, just wasn't quite as valuable as people seem to think; and 2) while I can see Swisher replicating Crosby's .239 rookie batting average as well as his strikeout totals, I'd also expect him to replicate his 20 home runs but with a lot more walks, driving up his OBP.

But let's say he does come in with a .750 OPS.  I think you'd agree, wouldn't you, with the core point that the $5 million or so (WAG) extra dollars we might spend on Dye could certainly be applied more effectively than to chase the 40 points or so of OPS that Dye might provide over Swisher?

by Faust on Oct 17, 2004 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

more on swisher
On the question of value, of course I agree. Bringing back Dye, even at a reduced salary, (or going after an equally expensive free agent) would be a poor use of resources. I still think Dye has quite a bit of upside if he stays healthy - a couple years of an OPS around .850 wouldn't surprise me at all. But that still isn't the superstar that we thought we were getting in 2001, and even if you don't believe that particular players are injury-prone, waiting for "the season when he finally stays healthy" gets kind of old after 3 or 4 years.

As for projecting Swisher's stats: for what it's worth, Swisher hit .269/.406/.537 for Sacramento, while Crosby hit .308/.398/.544 there in 2003 - nearly identical, except that more of Swisher's OBP was in the form of walks rather than hits. While the combination of patience and power bodes well for the future, in the short term I'm not sure that walks carry over to the big leagues more than hits. Of course, the fact that Swisher was able to contribute immediately, while Crosby struggled badly for a couple of months, also is a positive sign. As I said, I think Swisher is ready for the big leagues, and will turn out to be a pretty good player, but I think it's wise to have modest expectations for his rookie year.

by andeux on Oct 17, 2004 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The trouble with the projected outfield
Kotsay's fine, as long as doesn't opt out.  Who negotiated that idiotic contract anyway?  San Diego?

Swisher may turn out to be the designated Rookie of the Year candidate, and looked promising.

Byrnes, yes, will be offered arbitration and is the incumbent.

Here's the problem.  There's no punch.  The A's need somebody in the middle of the lineup, ideally a righty, who can be a productive power hitter.  Who is that going to be?  Durazo may or may not be back.  We've still got Hatteberg at first base, who - even at his best - doesn't hit for power.  So the mystery power guy will need to be an outfielder.

Swisher may develop into that sort of player, but he isn't one now.  I also developed some real doubts about his defense.  Yes, he made that one diving catch that we all raved about.  But he looked a little lost a lot of the time, and his arm strength appeared to leave a lot to be desired.

Byrnes is an ideal fourth outfielder who has a little pop but still can be induced into a weak out with a slider away too many times.  Unfortunately, on our team, he plays every day.

by bear88 on Oct 18, 2004 1:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i know ive already posted this
thats why i keep saying we should do something to get melvin mora. If we had him, we have so many options. Mora in left, kotsay in center, byrnes at right wile moving swisher to first. or we could have swisherin right, byrnes as number four, and dan johnson playing first. But i also like the idea of getting derek lee because u dont think of melvin mora as that guy who can come up to the plate and bash it. plus lee is gold glove at first.
ohad

by ohad on Oct 18, 2004 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson
I personally would rather see Mora in left, Kotsay in center, Swish in right, Dan Johnson at 1st and Byrnes as a 4th outfielder/pinch runner.
No TV and no beer make Homer go crazy!

by nothinlikethetown on Oct 18, 2004 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swisher
Cant Swish play Center field?
Then You wouldn't need Byrnes for that.
I love Byrnes, but Beane could use him as trade bait for more importent things.

by sam on Oct 18, 2004 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree

by ucla kid on Oct 18, 2004 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does everyone think Byrnes will be that $$$?
Byrnes is entering his first arbitration year (first). He has had only one year of decently consistent production where he played every day. He has no leverage in negotiations. He can't request a three-year contract because no one in baseball would give him one at this point in his career. If he goes to arbitration, I doubt seriously he'll get more than $1 million. There are too many flaws in his game to think that he'd get veteran starter outfielder money. And I'm sure the A's would take Byrnes to arbitration, if need be. They were willing to go there with Bradford and Durazo before settling late in the process.

Still I think that Byrnes won't be with the team this next year because he is a relatively valuable trade chip that the A's can (hopefully) use to get a slugging corner outfielder or a good hitting catcher or second baseman.

As for Kotsay, I seriously doubt he risks testing the market. As good as he is, he is making close to top dollar for his position and most of the big market teams are set at center. The Dodgers won't have that kind of dough unless it is for a Nomar-type and the Padres still have a lot of heavy contracts to deal with. Kotsay would be taking a huge risk not playing it out in Oakland.

by Melissa on Oct 18, 2004 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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