One of the downsides of a rebuilding season is that occasionally a player will be put in the majors before they're ready, especially when you have a series of serious injuries.  Gio Gonzalez seems to be a victim of this.  He's still only 22 years old (he'll be 23 years old in 11 days).  I don't really think his stuff is bad, I think it's just a matter of him having a tough time hitting the zone and when he finally does, it's in predictable fastball counts where a hitter can tee off on his 91-92 MPH fastball.  He should probably get pulled from the rotation before he gets ruined mentally.  Course you have to expect a lineup like the Tigers to be itching to face someone like Gio.  He's a lefty, struggling to hit the zone and when he does, it tends to be centered.

Josh Outman followed and didn't fair much better.  He gave up three runs in less than three innings.  He does look like he has a pretty good fastball, but the Detroit announcers kept commenting on how straight it was.  Speaking of Detroit announcers, I love it when folks from larger markets continually rag on the A's.  I mean, Dude, all the Pizza, Pizza money in the world isn't going to get you into the playoffs this year.  Who cares if you have guys like Sheffield, Ordonez and Polanco in the lineup if you aren't going to come anywhere near the postseason?  I really wish Major League Baseball would get with the 21st Century and give us the option to watch the A's broadcasts.  After 143 games, I'm pretty tired of hearing all the chumps calling games for other teams.  The A's TV team isn't the best one in the majors, but they aren't revolting like so many others out there.

The A's actually outhit the Tigers 13-12 but A's pitching wound up giving up a lot of extra base hits as well as walking five batters and hitting three.  It's just one of those games where the A's offense actually showed up but the pitching wasn't in sync.  

It's weird because I can honestly say that outside of these last two years with the A's, I can't remember going through a whole lot of losing seasons with my favorite teams.  The New Jersey Devils have been very good for a long, long time.  The A's have been very, very good for a long time.  It really makes one appreciate those good times and long for them.  Remember the days of Giambi and Dye in the middle of the order and Hudson, Mulder and Zito going every three out of five days?  I'm going to appreciate this so much more when the team finally takes that jump forward again.  It's nights like this with Gio that make you realize that it might be longer away than I think.

By the way, check in with fellow A's fan saint over at Silver and Black Pride tonight.  The Raiders open up the season and with JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden, you never know if the Raiders could be bound for a good year this year.  I'm no Al Davis fan, but the silver and black are somewhat interesting in 2008 because of those two young talents.

I've always loved Tim Hudson and I still hold Huddy in high regard.  So it's with great sadness that I let everyone know that he's decided to have Tommy John surgery.  Hudson was always the leader of the Big Three, at least in my eyes.  He was that guy who just had that different mentality that separated him from Zito and Mulder.  He was simply "The Bulldog" for the green and gold.

I wish him the best of luck and hope to see him on a big league mound soon.  Best of luck, Huddy.  We all want to see that devastating sinker soon (as long as it remains in the NL or comes back to the green and gold - hey, one can dream, right?).

Yesterday you read part I .  Today is part II of Athletics Nation's exclusive interview with A's GM Billy Beane.

Enjoy.

Blez:  You brought something up earlier that I want to go back to.  You mentioned how this team is so founded on pitching.  It’s really been the success of this team with first The Big Three and then Haren and Blanton and now this year you have Eveland and Smith added to that mix.  Harden is…(Beane gestures for me to silence myself for fear of the jinx)

Beane:  Yes, he’s doing good.  When he’s out there it’s a beautiful thing. The thing about Rich, when you watch him pitch…

Blez:  Do you hold your breath every time?

Beane:  No, he’s such a great talent and in fairness to him, everyone knows how good he is and what an impact he can have on this team that everyone gets impatient with him as if it’s something he can control.  He knows how good he is.  He really is special.  He’s the one guy in the league when you talk to any GM or any hitter and they’ll tell you that when he’s on, he’s the best in the game.  I look at a guy like Josh Beckett who is still a great package.  He’s got great stuff.  A big imposing presence on the mound, but there are two guys that when they’re on you feel like you have no chance.  Felix (Hernandez), up in Seattle, is the other one that if he’s on and he has it that day, that’s it.  He’s dominating. 

Blez:  Rich seems to be throwing, and this is something I’ve observed, but he seems to be throwing exclusively fastballs and change ups. 

Beane:  He’s been a lot like that the last couple of years which should give you an idea as to how good those two pitches are. 

Blez:  In other words, to be able to go out there and get out major leagues hitters with two pitches exclusively is astounding.

Beane:  Yeah, that being said, those two pitches are pretty remarkable.  (Former Cincinnati Reds pitcher) Mario Soto was a bit like that back in the mid-80s.  He had a dominating fastball and an excellent changeup.

Blez:  Is he sticking with that mostly to try and avoid injury issues? 

Beane:  He’s been like that the last couple of years.  He’s really gotten away from the other stuff.

Blez:  He used to throw a pretty nasty splitter too.

Beane:  Yeah, but his changeup moves so much…

Blez:  That it can behave like a split.

Beane:  Yeah.  You know watching him this last Saturday, you just admire what he does.  It’s just so overwhelming with those two pitches you wonder ,why bother to mess around with anything else?

Blez:  I guess so.  What I was trying to get to earlier was talking about the offense.  The offense is a sore spot with this team.  It’s better this year, but it has those seemingly wild spells, and you and I were chatting about the Angels’ series when they scored something like 14 in one game, zero runs in the next one, one in the following game and then 15 in the final game.  I know you obviously value pitching quite a bit because that was something you pursued in the trades, but is there a point where you think, “I have to do something to improve this offense a little bit because if I can just improve the offense a little bit to complement the fine pitching, then this team is really formidable right now without even really thinking ahead.”

Beane:  I agree, but it’s not very easy.  You think about this last road trip which was a difficult road trip.  But we could’ve easily won every single game.

Blez:  If you’d had a little bit more offense.

Beane:  Yeah, but the reason you’re in that position is because of the pitching.  The fact that you can have a frustration level (and I have it too) is…well, we played three very good teams on the road trip and the fact is that every single one of those games we could’ve won.  That’s why you want to make sure you have a foundation of great pitching and that’s why you want to be careful in taking away from it.  But to get on your point, yeah we have some young players who are just coming into their own.  Ryan Sweeney is just getting his sea legs underneath him.  I mentioned Travis earlier and Daric has gotten off to a slow start, so with some of these younger players you’re just going to have to be patient with them.  You’ve got Eric (Chavez) coming back soon off his injury rehab, which I’m sure you’re aware of.  But Jack (Hannahan) has been great in his absence.  He had a tough start but he’s battled back nicely.  Having Eric out has had a big impact, and hopefully he’ll come back to the level he was in previous years. 

Blez:  Not to belabor this point, but when you decided to pick up Frank Thomas and Daric is struggling a little bit, do you pause for a second and think, maybe he should be given some more time in the minors and he starts to feel more comfortable.  You know that a lot of success in the majors has to do with a guy feeling confident at the plate.  Maybe he then gets more confident in Sacramento while you get to field the best possible team up here by having Mike Sweeney play first, Frank Thomas as DH and Jack Cust in left field.  Have you thought about that possibly being the best option right now for the big club?

Beane:  Playing first base might be difficult for Mike on an everyday basis, so that kind of rules that out.  We’ve always been hesitant to just send guys down once they’ve gotten here when we feel they’re long-term answers.

Blez:  Because it can be deflating psychologically?

Beane:  Yeah and I just don’t like that up and down yo-yo.  We’ve been pretty good about avoiding that over the last 10 years.  It’s not that it hasn’t happened.  I’m not convinced that it’s a good idea.  We’re just not convinced that’s the best option at this point.  Daric’s done a good job defensively.  He’s played good defense and I think I saw somewhere that one of the defensive fielding bibles had him as the best defensive fielding first baseman in the league. 

Blez:  Someone on AN wrote a post about that.

Beane:  Yeah and some of the numbers that we use in-house are really good too.  We think Daric is going to be a great major league hitter and we just have to exercise patience.  If a time comes that we feel that a young player needs to go down to get some more experience, we will.  But in Daric’s case part of becoming a good major league player is being allowed to go through some struggles.  Very few guys come up and hit their whole career.  That’s just part of becoming a major league player.  And then there’s an organizational balance too when maybe you say perhaps sending someone down would be best for the player.  I think in Travis’ case, we felt that was the right thing to do at that time.  We do think he’ll be back soon because we think so highly of him.

Blez:  The minor league system for the A’s is stacked and has gone from mediocre to poor ratings. Now you’re rated near the top by most of the experts.  It also now appears like the major league team is a lot better than people might have suspected.  Did you honestly believe that you could accomplish the goals of remaining very competitive in the AL West while completely rebuilding a barren farm system?

Beane:  The goal was to restock the farm system and the second part, we didn’t really know.  I wasn’t convinced that we were going to be a terrible team, which is what some people thought.  I wasn’t also ready to run up a hill and say we were going to be the best team in the league either.  We weren’t really sure.  There were a lot of what ifs there that didn’t really allow us to get a gauge on where we were.  I was looking forward to rebuilding this thing and making it really good for a long time, but it makes it a lot more pleasurable when you’re winning at the major league level.  So you find yourself getting used to winning after a while and then when you lose a few games in a row, you have to remind yourself that you have a young team.  Then you have to stop and appreciate where you’re at and what you’ve accomplished and be pretty happy.

Blez:  Part of that improved minor league system is Henry Rodriguez, someone you wouldn’t have found in years past.  But because you’ve added revenue to the Latin American scouting program, Rodriguez turned into a gem you were able to unearth.   Is that an area of great market opportunity for you to exploit moving forward?

Beane:  I don’t know that you can exploit it anymore.  It isn’t like it’s any great secret. The fact of the matter is is that 15 to 20 years ago we had a lot of success down there.  We kind of coat-tailed the first big clubs going in there, like the Dodgers, Blue Jays and they were the best at it.  We kind of followed them and had a nice little run signing a lot of guys.  It didn’t cost us a lot of money.  What ended up happening was that the cost of doing business there ended up going up significantly.  We tried to do business the way we used to do it and we spent less than anyone down there and it just wasn’t going to work any more.  In international signings over the last decade, we were last in all of baseball.  We thought that the way we did business before was going to work and it just didn’t.  And the proof was showing up at the major league level because Casilla was really the only one we got out of there in the last decade.  If we were going to go down there and have an academy and get something out of it, and the fact is you need to get something out of there because 30 percent of major league players are coming from there, then we needed to go in there like everyone else.  We started in the fall.  We’ve now signed a number of players out of there since the fall, out of Venezuela, the Dominican (Republic) and a kid from Mexico named (Arnold) Leon who has been excellent.  We just missed on signing a great kid out of Australia.  And the reason I recently went down to the Dominican was that we had a huge try out camp and I was seeing a bunch of kids from there.  It’s an area of focus, we’ve gotten off to a good start and we’re going to continue to be aggressive down there.

Blez:  How excited are you about Rodriguez?  Peter Gammons wrote during spring training that a few of the scouts he talked to said that he had one of the best arms they’ve seen in a while.  He’s struggled a bit since being promoted to Double-A.

Beane:  We were hesitant to move him up because he is so young but we felt like even during the earliest times of the season that he was so dominant that we had to consider it.  He’s actually getting better and learning some things.  We hesitated sending a 21-year-old up there, but people in the organization felt like it was best that he go up there and start learning some of the things he need to learn like throwing his offspeed pitches a little more.  We had almost needed to clear the Stockton team out because we had some kids in Kane County who needed to be up there like (Trevor) Cahill and (Brett) Anderson.  We thought it was good to create some mobility for those guys coming through.  Rodriguez has had a few ugly lines, but some of them have been deceiving.  We usually get pretty detailed reports and even though he hasn’t dominated there he’s still striking guys out which is usually a good indicator of future success.

Blez:  In general, the scouting budget has been increased.  Some of the old-school baseball minds might call this a bit of “backpedaling” from the philosophy Michael Lewis outlined in Moneyball.  The A’s were trying to get by on the shoestring budget.

Beane:  I don’t know that Michael necessarily wrote about that when it came to the draft.  We did spend a lot less in terms of the draft and there were a lot of dynamics in play there.

Blez:  What I’m saying is that, rightly or wrongly, Moneyball is always sort of seen as the scouts versus computer geeks lightning rod.  I don’t think that’s the best way to represent the book, but for better or worse, it seems to have taken on that popular view. 

Beane:  When was Moneyball published?  What 2002, so that’s six years ago now and we’re still talking about it?  I usually let Michael and others define what they thought what the book was about.  The bottom line is that I don’t there was anywhere in the book where we sat down and gave a manifesto on how to do things so I think that’s the most misinterpreted thing.  But as far as how we do business in the draft, the more you do this job, and this can apply to almost any business job, the more you realize you don’t know.  The idea that you are going to create a template that is going to work forever in a very competitive business just doesn’t happen.  Are there some things we still believe in?  Absolutely.  There are also some things where we say, “Maybe we need to take a look at this.”  But that’s the evolution of any business if you’re going to stay on top and try and be successful.  I’m glad we’re like that.  Maybe seven, eight, nine years ago I wouldn’t have been so much like that.  Successes and failures are things you can learn from.  For us, we’re constantly trying to evolve.  Just because we do something different that we didn’t necessarily do a previous year doesn’t mean it’s something we don’t believe in.  Someone will inevitably say that’s blasphemy compared to how we used to do business.  We’re constantly checking ourselves.  And the business is changing.  The people running teams now, in my opinion, are as good as they ever have been.  There are some really smart guys running businesses.  It’s incredibly competitive and the idea that you’re going to have an “intellectual edge” anymore is, and I not sure that there ever was, but I’m not sure it exists any more.  I can tell you the guys running teams now have some really, really smart guys working for them.  You’re not going to outsmart too many people.  We all have the same information available to us.

Blez:  Is (the influx of young talent in front offices) the result of Moneyball?

Beane:  No, you know what I think it’s a result of, is that it’s a result of being big business so the people who are really successful buy baseball teams.  Very smart people buy baseball teams and they expect results so the more money pumped into the business, the better people are going to be attracted to it. 

Blez:  You’ve taken a lot of steps to change the organizational processes in relation to keeping players healthier.  Yet injury problems already cropped up again a little bit with Duke and Harden, Chavez, Denorfia, Ellis, Buck and even Mike Sweeney.  Granted many of these guys have injury histories, but do you think that you have possibly turned the corner with the injury issues with some of the changes you have made?

Beane:  One of the things I’ve noticed with the injuries is that you really, really notice them when you don’t have depth.  We all get anxious, including fans, when you’re waiting for a player to come back, but when you can bring up a Greg Smith to replace Rich in the rotation and he pitches the way he does it allows you to go through the due process of a guy who is injured normally so you aren’t pushing them out there too early.  It becomes a vicious cycle if you don’t have depth.  You get a guy hurt and you push him back early and he might get hurt again and be out for a longer period of time.  The process is more than just being about looking at the team doctors and how you do things. That’s certainly part of it, but our responsibility on the baseball side is providing enough depth in understanding that you’re playing a sport where you’re going to have injuries.  If they are injured then we give our guys the proper time they need to heal and don’t expect them to play half way through the injury, then expect them to be healthy.  The less depth we had, if you noticed, the more injuries we started to have because we kept pushing those guys out there.  To some extent, like Eric (Chavez), who busted his rear end to get out there in time for spring training.  We all said, we really want him out there and need him out there and then we took a step back and said, wait a second let’s do this the right way.  He’s almost there now and has had a very detailed program since the end of spring training.  He’s out playing in games right now.  But the fact that Jack has performed so admirably up here allows that process to happen.  I think that part of our medical problem has been not having the depth in the organization that we probably should’ve had and each year it got tougher and tougher.  I am happy with the new process though.  Soup (Head Trainer Steve Sayles) has done a phenomenal job.  Meanwhile, Steve commands a lot of respect as a trainer because he has a great presence.  He’s conservative by nature.  Our rehabs are longer but he’s also had the advantage of having depth.  He’s very conservative.  If I’m thinking something is going to be 2-3 days, he’ll probably say it should be 7-8.  That’s just the way he is. 

Blez:  And perhaps that will help the guys stay on the field longer too once they get back.

Beane:  Yeah, exactly.  He’s definitely showed great leadership since we hired him which is something I think we all expected.

Blez:  There is going to be a roster crunch coming.  Especially with Chavez coming back and you mentioned that you want to get Buck back in there.  I know you can’t really say what you’re going to do with all the extra players and the first base, DH and left field shuffle, but how much does a win-now mentality affect that decision compared to giving those young players a chance to develop and mature?

Beane:  It’s one of those questions that I say that you’ll probably have to check with me at the time.  The press is always asking those questions…you know, what are you going to do in two weeks when this happens?  Well, when we get to two weeks we’ll let you know.  Inevitably something always seems to happen in between.  Not to avoid your question because those are all fair points, but I think it will be something we’ll be better equipped to answer when the time comes.  Right now it’s just too early to speculate.

Blez:  Speaking of the upcoming roster crunch, what did you like about Rajai Davis so much to go ahead and pick him up?

Beane:  He’s got unique speed.  It’s hard to find that kind of speed you can pick up for $20,000.  He’s right handed and one guy we’ve never had is someone to come in in the seventh inning to pinch run and steal a base.  He’s actually handled left handers well in the past and we thought he was a great complement and dimension that we didn’t have.  We felt like he was too good of an athlete to pass up for the cost.

Blez:  How close did you come at the beginning of the season to keeping both of the Gonzalezes (Gio and Carlos) with the big club coming out of camp?

Beane:  They’re both so very young.  They’re both only 22 years old.  So we had pretty much made up our mind up that they would need some time down in the minors.  And then when Carlos had the hamstring injury, it kind of impacted it in that it wasn’t as though we couldn’t have had that conversation in the spring.  We would’ve liked to have taken Carlos to Japan for the exhibition games but it would’ve taken quite a bit for us to break camp with them.  They’re still both very, very young even for the level they’re at now, which is Triple-A.

Blez:  Did the number of years you could have them under contract control factor into the decision?  I believe some media sources out there reported that some veterans on the team, and they were unnamed sources I believe, wanted Carlos to remain on the club. 

Beane:  That means they might not have been here then (laughs).  But no, that’s not the case at all.  Spring training is not a good judge.  I think I hit .400 one year in the Cactus League which will tell you it doesn’t mean a whole lot.  That happens every year.  I remember one year the veterans wanted to keep Mark Mulder.  He promptly went out and had like a 5.00 ERA in Triple-A that year.  Just because you have a good spring training doesn’t mean you’re ready for the big leagues.  I think in both of those kids (Carlos and Gio) they’re still both cutting their teeth at Triple-A.  Carlos got off to a good start and then went through a little lull and now he’s back over .300.  And Gio has had some great games, but he’s also had games in which he’s struggled.  They still need some time.

Blez:  The pitching staff down in Stockton and Kane County seem to almost unfairly loaded with pitchers like James Simmons, Cahill, Anderson and de los Santos.  I know you don’t like to make predictions about what players are going to be but do you think that we’re going to see some true major league aces come out of this crop of talent?

Beane:  (without hesitation and emphatically) Yes. 

Blez:  And when I say aces I mean, number one starter ability.

Beane:  Number twos do everything the number one does, but the number one is the guy.  It’s like when Stew (Dave Stewart) was here.  We had Mike Moore and Dave Stewart and when you look at them it was hard to say who was actually better on the mound but Stew was number one and Mike was number two because of the presence factor and the cache.  The number one label is based on presence.  I’ll say this, there are a lot of guys down there who have the ability to be good number twos and threes.  But we’ll just see if they have the cult of personality there after a couple of years. 

Blez:  How much research do you on the personality when it comes to trying to decide if they might evolve into that type of guy?

Beane:  Personality may be the wrong word.  It’s more like a swagger.  (Tim) Hudson had it when he was here. 

Blez:  Would you have called him the number one out of the Big Three?

Beane:  When he came up, Tim seemed like this nice quiet kid from the south, but then after a few years in a major league clubhouse he became a very self confident guy.  The way a GM knows a kid versus the way a kid really is takes a few years.  And in order to be a number one, you have to develop a track record too.

Blez:  I often ask you this question when we get together, but since the minor league clubs have changed so much since we last got together, I’m interested to hear what you think now.  Tell me about some unheralded gem in the A’s system that the fans might want to keep a close eye on.

Beane:  Yes, you do always ask me that (laughs).  There is nothing win-win for me in this one because I’ll inevitably have to single someone out which means excluding a number of others.  How do I answer that?

Blez:  In the past, you’ve given me names.  Sulentic was someone you gave me one year.

Beane:  David (Forst) actually saw him in high school and I can remember when he saw him in high school.  I’m going to take the fifth because there’s a lot of guys.

Blez:  Is it because the system is stacked so it’s harder to choose someone?

Beane:  I’m trying to do the proper thing in a leadership role.  You know what, Aaron Cunningham has come back and he wasn’t one of the heralded guys in the Haren deal but he’s a guy that we like quite a bit.  He’s a right-handed bat, plays all three outfield positions and he had a real good start to camp.  Then he broke his hand and just got back.  It’s fun seeing him and he’s played pretty well since he got back.

Blez:  I assumed if I kept you talking long enough you’d give me someone.

Beane:  Probably (laughs).

Coming tomorrow:  The final part of the interview.  Beane discusses the Jack Cust phenomenon of striking out, walking or hitting homers, Bobby Crosby's improvements this season and whether or not Beane believes in clutch hitting.

Happy Memorial Day!!  What better to top off a sweep of the Red Sox than a visit with A's General Manager Billy Beane. 

It's been quite a while since I had the opportunity to have one of my lengthy interviews with Beane.  In the time between he and I last spoke, he's kick-started a rebuilding process with the green and gold, trading away Nick Swisher and Danny Haren.  His rebuilt team got off to a surprisingly good start and he also made the decision to bring back 2006 A's MVP Frank Thomas.  AND his team is sporting one of the most surprising pitching staffs in all of baseball right now.

So, as you could imagine, there was plenty to discuss when he and I sat down last week.  This was one of our longer interviews, yet I'm going to try and get it down to three parts.  Without further ado, here is my most recent interview with Billy Beane:

Blez:  It’s been a long time since we chatted and the last time we did, you shied away from the word “rebuilding” and called it “retooling” instead.  Since then you’ve gone through the rebuilding process and you yourself referred to it in the media as that. What was the impetus behind that rebuilding?

Billy Beane:  The impetus for it was where I thought we were headed. That to me is as important as anything with a franchise: not where you are but where you are going.  I really thought our best-case scenario for the next year or two was really mediocrity.  Ultimately there was no chance to be a really, really good team and I just felt we were going to just be in that middle area there.  I also knew at some point we were going to have to, so to delay it was really just wasting time.  We were at the FanFest and a few people were upset.  Actually every year there are a few people upset (laughs).  I remember asking the question back to a gentleman in the audience who was upset and it‘s good that he was upset because he cares about the team and he was there spending a Saturday which is why we have those events.  But I asked him the question of how many games he thought we would win if we stood pat and he said something like 75 or 80.  He was upset and I said, “Are you OK with that?”  That was essentially trying to stimulate what was going through our minds and get him thinking the same way.  Winning 75 or 80 games is nothing to get excited about, particularly if that’s what you’re going to do over the next several years.

Blez:  Especially when the fan base is used to success.

Beane:  Exactly.  I’ve always said you’re either building something that’s special or you have something that’s special.  In between is just no man’s land.  That was really it.  I felt like as good as the players were that we traded, we need a lot of good players to create something long-term.  

Blez:  How did you approach the process?  Did you basically just put a lot of calls out there to other GMs and say, “Everyone’s available, come make me an offer.”  Was it like that or did you even target certain players on your roster that you felt might have the most value?

Beane:  No, very rarely when it’s one of our high profile guys is it a situation where we’ll solicit a deal.  If you start doing that, whether someone admits it or not, it’s going to diminish value by you being the aggressor.  In Danny’s (Haren) case, and to Arizona’s credit, he was someone they always wanted.  And (Arizona GM) Josh (Byrnes) started poking around a little bit at the end of the year last year.  In truth, the process hadn’t been decided.  I wasn’t completely convinced that if we had come back completely healthy that sticking with the current roster and seeing what we had was an option.  You know if Rich (Harden) was healthy and Duke (Justin Duchscherer) was relatively healthy and Chavy was going to be ready to go.  I wasn’t completely convinced yet that it was time to do it so there was hope for a healthy club, but we hadn’t really decided.  That being said, we actually waited for clubs to come to us figuring that the clubs who came to us would understand the value of the player and would be serious about doing business.  We weren’t out there soliciting things at all.  The clubs that were serious, we would talk to them.  In Arizona’s case and to their credit, they had done their homework and checked in early so we were pretty far along in the process once we decided to go ahead and make the move.

Blez:  Arizona had been poking around before you decided to go this route?  They had initiated the discussions last year?

Beane:  Yes.  We had also made it known that we weren’t sure what direction we were going to go yet.

Blez:  Did you do that on purpose?  You know, saying it publicly that you didn’t know where you wanted to go yet to try and get some interest going.

Beane:  Yeah, you do it for two reasons.  First, it can lead to people calling you on some guys.  What you don’t want to do is to go out there and be making calls on your own players.  If you are, then it can diminish their value a little bit and you don’t want to be doing that.  It also gives you some options without committing yourselves.  We literally hadn’t decided until we touched down from coming back from the winter meetings what we were going to do.  That’s when we decided that we needed to do something.  When we were at the winter meetings, we had talked about Dan with the Diamondbacks, but at that point it was unclear if that was what we were going to do.  And it was literally when the wheels touched down was when we decided to do something here.  That’s when we got the injury report on Gaudin.  Chavy was still battling through his problems and we felt like we were kidding ourselves thinking we could patch this thing together.  

Blez:  How different was this process compared to the (Tim) Hudson and (Mark) Mulder process of a few years ago?

Beane:  I think when we did trade Tim and Mark we quietly felt like we were going to be a lot better than people thought especially when you took into account the fact that we had some significant injuries that past year and we had a terrible injury month of May.  Then Croz (Bobby Crosby) came back and we had a great run.  But I think prior to that year, everyone (in the front office) thought we’d be better than people thought.  So it wasn’t really a rebuilding, but more of a shifting around of assets.  The difference this time is that we anticipate this being a longer-term situation and I’ll be honest, I didn’t know what we had.

Blez:  You mean what you got from the deals?

Beane:  Not so much what we got from the deals, but I didn’t know where we would be in the process until the season started.  So every now and then people would ask, “How good do you think you’re going to be?” and some people would ask, “How bad do you think you’re going to be?” and I don’t think we had any expectations for either.  At the same time, I don’t think we have limitations either.  We sort of kept an open book.  We wanted to create an atmosphere that was somewhat forgiving, which I think we did.  When you’re a contending team every year, people start filling up their stories (in the news media) about who is going to fill out the roster as the 25th man and who is going to fill the role of a left-handed bat off the bench.  There is such intensity every day and every article.  Our spring training articles were, “Getting to Know Ryan Sweeney” and “What is Kurt Suzuki’s Favorite Color” and things like that.  So an environment was created that we wanted to encourage.  

Blez:  Low to no pressure?

Beane:  Yeah, low pressure and kind of an open book and I think it helped.  People have said it, but I also think the Japan trip helped too.

Blez:  I think it did help because the team got off to one of its best April starts in a few seasons.  Are you surprised at how the team shot out of the gate?

Beane:  Not after the spring training that we had.  The spring training we had was really good.  So yes and no.  I wasn’t shocked.  A couple of individual performances surprised me.  We liked Greg Smith, but him coming up as soon as he did and performing as well as he did-- we found out that he’s a little further down the road in terms of development that we thought.  There were also some disappointing surprises too.  Travis (Buck) getting hurt and struggling like he did.  He’s the last guy I thought would’ve ever slumped out of the gate.  All he’s ever done since we drafted him is hit.  And so that was a surprise.  We had a blip when Duke and Harden went out. But that allowed Greg Smith to come in and Chad (Gaudin) did a really good job in the rotation.  I don’t really know whether I’m surprised or not surprised.  I really don’t know.  It’s still a short-term situation where I’ve stayed away from making predictions and I’ve been reasonably happy.  I just think there is so much more room for improvement which is really the encouraging thing.  When you start off and have the best pitching in the league and you have that as your foundation then you’re more than halfway there.

Blez:  Was the goal in making the Haren and Swisher deals to make sure you were building the best possible team towards moving into the Fremont Stadium in 2011 or 2012?  Was there any thought given to that rather than worrying about now?

Beane:  In the background, but even if we’d stayed here for the next 10 years, it was going to have to happen.  The benefit of this time around is that maybe these players we got and are grooming will stay around a little longer than years past.  If we develop a young player and he’s going to be a free agent at 26, maybe we can sign him to a long-term deal.  But if we’d stayed here, we’d still have to do this and probably more so because with the revenue situation it would’ve been a short-term constant similar to what we’ve had to do the last few years.  

Blez:  You and I have talked about this in the past, but there have been articles written about how this team is perceived as being soulless and having a revolving door of players.  The Athletics constantly have that carousel of players every year and the fan base has to get reacquainted with their players.  My wife was watching a game with me the other day and basically said, “Who‘s he and who‘s he?  They really did get rid of everyone.”  Are you afraid of how that’s viewed in the community?

Beane:  Not really.  We really don’t have any other choice to do this.

Blez:  I’m not really talking about the hard core fans who live and breathe and die with the team like the Athletics Nation people do.  I’m talking more about the casual fan who comes on occasion because the team has an interesting player they want to see.

Beane:  I don’t think people come out on a regular basis to see individuals.  I think people come out to see a team.  We have no other way to operate. We could operate where we have a whole generation of players well beyond its prime but there would be even less people here.  For every one we lose because we don’t keep their favorite player, we’re going to keep two if we win.  And the reverse is true.  The thing that’s always been interesting about being here is that there is always excuses about why people don’t come out.  The fact is that we don’t draw.  The blame has always been on this thing or that thing.  There is always something new.  I mean we went to the ALCS in 2006 and in an era when baseball attendance was shooting up 26 percent or something, we wound up drawing less people the next year.  Explain that.  Over the last decade, we’ve put a pretty good product on the field.  We have a group (of fans) here that’s been here since the first year we came here.  The fact remains is that we’re still well behind the curve when it comes to attendance and some of it is probably the organization’s fault.  Not everyone is completely blameless.  You can understand that when you’re having that kind of turnover you’re going to lose some of that loyalty.  Again the flip side for us, given everything that we have to balance, is that we’re going to maintain that loyalty with the hardcore people by putting the best product we can on the field and having to err on the side of making good business decisions instead of making emotional decisions.  Believe me, my life would be a lot easier if we could just stamp a team down for the next six or seven seasons.

Blez:  Obviously bringing someone on board like Frank Thomas doesn’t really jive with what people think of when they think of the term “rebuilding”.  What were some of your thoughts about why to bring someone like Big Hurt back to the green and gold? And are you afraid that it might take some valuable playing time, especially when you made such an effort to rebuild, from a great young talent like Daric Barton where he‘s sitting on the bench instead of gaining experience?

Beane:  That’s a fair point.  I think I saw someone on your site say, “Why did you sign Emil Brown?”  Someone was afraid he was going to take at bats away from others.  

Blez:  Man, you’re jumping ahead on me here.

Beane:  Well, we’re nothing if not efficient at these things now (laughing).  In Mike Sweeney’s case even before Frank got here, we were thinking we didn’t really have a young DH.  We wanted Jack Cust in the outfield for part of the time.  Not on a full-time basis, but part-time.  Jack will be the first to tell you that he isn’t going to win a gold glove, but we wanted it as an option.  It’s nice having a guy who can go out there when you need him.  But getting back to Frank, those points are fair, but in Daric’s case, when we signed Frank, Mike’s knee was barking a little bit.  Daric is still going to get the bulk of the at bats and his history, even in the minor leagues, suggests that he hasn’t played a full season.  This is an opportunity to give him some rest that’s needed.  We have a 162-game schedule and the idea that we’re just going to run him out there for 162 games when his past history suggests that he couldn’t do it in the minor leagues is probably a little unrealistic.  The other thing too is that we’re always going to look for opportunities.  If we find something that we perceive as a great value, we’re going to jump at it.  You always try to do both.  It’s not a zero sum game where you’re either this or that.  You can accomplish this while still trying to do that.  You can try to get young players and rebuild and create a good situation and also try to be competitive.  Quite frankly, Frank was such a positive influence when he was here.   The thing I like about having Frank around the younger players is how he prepares himself.  He prepares himself similar to how Barry Zito used to prepare himself to pitch in a game.  That’s good for young guys to watch.   And I have such a soft spot for Frank.  He had such a great year (when he was here).  And you can’t beat the price for a guy who brings all he does.

Blez:  Would you had made the decision to bring Frank back if the team hadn’t gotten off to a pretty good start?

Beane:  Yeah, I think so.  Our history suggests that if you can make incremental improvements, you should.  Yeah, it’s hard to imagine not being interested in Frank.

Blez:  You guys basically got back nine players in the Haren and Swisher deals.  You got nine players for three.  What made the nine guys you got back so appealing?

Beane:  It was well-laden in pitching.  A lot of the success we had the last 10 years was due to the fact that we had some great pitchers here.  A good deal of them were home grown and started with us.  We needed to get back to a point where our pitching was coming through the system because we had no other way of getting it.  It’s hard to sign it.  It’s too expensive.  It’s hard to trade for it once it’s established.

Blez:  Well that makes sense especially considering that you got six players back for an established pitcher.

Beane:  Yeah, exactly.  The Arizona deal and the Chicago deal help out greatly and we have a few guys in our system that we like quite a bit who are pitchers.  When we did the Hudson and Mulder deal, Meyer got hurt and Danny turned into what we thought he would, but in a perfect world you don’t struggle with injuries and you don’t lose half the value of the deals right there.  So we knew we needed a lot of guys to get this done, especially pitching because even drafting pitching in the first round is risky.  The biggest thing from our end is to know we have some good potential starters down the road knowing that things are going to happen over the next couple of years.  

Blez:  How tough was it for you to trade a guy like Swisher knowing that he has a couple of the traits the A’s covet the most in a hitter: power and patience?  He’s also one of your favorite personalities.

Beane:  It was a tough phone call.  I remember exactly where I was when I called him and he was shocked.  It was tough.  We had a long conversation.  I did like Nick.  He’s a good kid that had a lot of personality that fans saw and we saw.  How he is on the field is exactly how he is in the clubhouse.  He always had a smile and a lot of energy.  From a playing standpoint, he had the power and the patience.  We knew we were giving that up, but the thing about this winter is that there were never any illusions that we weren’t giving up good players.  We were essentially giving up a couple of good players to get a lot of really good young players.  These guys are both in the prime of their careers.  But in short, it was one of the most difficult calls I’ve ever had to make from a trade standpoint, if not the most difficult call.

Coming Tomorrow:  Beane discusses Rich Harden, the A's lack of a consistent offense and the first base, left field, DH shuffle.