Comcast needs two Hotstove shows!
The hotstove show on comcast which is supposed to be split between As and Giants is almost all about the giants it makes me sick!I tried watching it and each time its like 90 percent Giants ,even the set is Giants orange!
The Giants bias has become even more obvious since the world series win I all but stopped watching chronicle live for months because all it was was a Giants love in!In all the As four world series wins I dont think they got a tenth of the coverage the Giants got with one,Giants fans better pray that they can have a division race against the el foldo San diego Padres a team which always finds a way to lose and then meet the overrated Phils which can beat the Rays but ofcourse roll over for the Yanks and then get to play the super choker Rangers a team that amazes me with the inventive ways they find to blow the big one!Being an as fan can be tough but the more vocal we are about the bias pointing out that untill recently with the advent of the Giants new park each team sold about the same amount of tickets with the As outselling the Giants some seasons.Be loud and proud and call the media on this less than subtle bias which was well in place long before the new park in San Fran
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Moneyball Part II: Billy Beane Shocks the World. Again.
I write my own baseball blog, called Baseball's Economist; and I figured I'd share my post from the other day about the A's signing of Yoenis Cespedes with the Athletics Nation community:
Does Billy Beane know something that no one else in baseball knows… again?? How could baseball’s smallest market team put up a figure that scared off all the big market teams, including the craziest spenders of this off-season, for a player who has never stepped foot on even a minor league field in America? This week, Yoenis Cespedes signed a 4 year/$36 million contract with Beane’s Oakland Athletics. Kevin Goldstein rated Cespedes the 20th best prospect in baseball coming into 2012, and he has put up some incredible numbers against baseball’s elite, albeit in a small sample size. In six games during the 2009 WBC, Cespedes hit 2 home runs, drove in 5, and hit .458; good for an OPS of 1.480. This move by Oakland came completely out of left field (pun intended), and brings up many interesting questions; I’ll attempt to answer three of them.
1. Does this deal make financial sense for Oakland?
This deal does make financial sense because to be worth $9 million a year, Cespedes will only need accumulate a WAR of 8.0 (based on today’s current market). Also, the contract does not push Oakland’s 2012 payroll over $60 million. Id be shocked if Cespedes wasn’t worth 2 wins a season over the next four years. The outfielders who had around 2.0 fWAR in 2011, were Coco Crisp, David Dejesus, Seth Smith, and Josh Willingham… all who are ironically connected to Oakland. I’m not a scout so I can’t truly analyze his ability, but from what I’ve read Cespedes will likely be more productive than those five players. I’m sure Beane feels the same way, or else he would not have made Cespedes his highest paid player for the upcoming season.
2. Can Cespedes reach his maximum potential, and if he does what does that mean for Oakland?
Based on Cespedes' 2011 numbers in Cuba, Clay Davenport projects a major league line of .245/.311/.469 for the Cuban outfielder. A .780 OPS is solid and similar to the offensive numbers put up by outfielders, Adam Jones, Marlon Byrd, and the 2007-10 version of Hunter Pence; which would be serviceable to Oakland, but not the superstar Beane seems to be hoping for. Oakland's front office must think that Cespedes will reach his lofty potential, and be a powerful corner outfielder along the lines of Jay Bruce. Over the last two seasons, Bruce has produced an average of 29 home runs and an OPS of .832. Bruce is projected (by Bill James) to have an OPS of .859 and hit 32 home runs, in 2012. An outfielder in his late twenties, who is able to put up those kind of numbers would be an extremely valuable asset, and make this signing an incredible one.
The question is if Cespedes will be used to bring in another stock of prospects to continue Oakland’s rebuilding, or if his production will have Oakland competing during 2014 and ‘15 seasons. Beane has traded almost all of his valuable assets away this off-season (Trevor Cahill, Gio Gonzalez, and Andrew Bailey), for a stock of young players that have added to Oakland’s youth. Oakland won’t be competitive in the A.L. West in 2012 or 2013. But, they have an interesting young pitching staff, and Jemile Weeks is a ballplayer, so by 2014 when there will be two wild cards teams, it would not be outrageous to think the Athletics will be a playoff contender. Waiting through two more non-competitive seasons may be a little depressing for Oakland fans, but there is definitely some glimmers of hope.
3. Is cleaning house at a certain position and then acquiring a massive surplus at that position in the same off-season, the new "Moneyball" strategy?
On December 31st, Oakland’s outfield consisted of Ryan Sweeny, Michael Taylor, and Jermaine Mitchell, …. Who?? Since then, they have traded for Josh Reddick, Smith, and Colin Cowgill, and signed Crisp, Cespedes, and Jonny Gomes. The moneyball concept used to be acquiring players with high OBP’s, that concept now seems to be all about converting a weakness into a surplus. Let’s say you lock in Crisp in center and Cespedes in right, that leaves Oakland with four outfielders, two left-handed and two right-handed all competing for left field. I’m not sure if Beane has a plan to trade some of this stock, or just wants an incredible amount of depth. Cespedes, Smith, Reddick, Cowgill and Crisp are all under team control for at least the next three years, so it seems that Gomes is the most expendable. This amount of outfielders leaves me as confused as Scott Hatteberg must’ve been when he was told that he was going to replace Jason Giambi at first base in 2002. I honestly cannot come to any conclusion on what Beane expects to do with all of these outfielders. My best guess is that he hopes Gomes gets enough at-bats in 2012, to have some value at the trade deadline, then trade Smith either before 2013 or during, and have Crisp, Cespedes, and Reddick as a lethal outfield in 2014. I’m not sure if Beane’s strategy for the future is the right one, but the last time he thought outside the box like this, his team was a perennial contender.

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Let's Make Some Nicknames!
I'd like to take a minute or two from everyone's day to talk about nicknames. Or more specifically, nicknames of current A's players.
Everyone knows about how Chuck Finley was the ultimate showman and turned his team into almost the circus act of baseball with their garish uniforms, awesome facial hair, and great promotions. I think we, as the fans, should bring some of that attitude back.
We are in a unique place in baseball history where we can create nicknames for our team that can spread via the interwebs. Nicknames which AN, with its considerable influence, can spread to the A's and their broadcasters, and finally on to ESPN where the country at large can learn about how awesome some of our guys are.
The Mustache Gang, the Bash Brothers, Catfish, Eck, Hendu, Blue Moon, Rollie (Side note to Ray Fosse, just adding -ie or -y to the end of someone's name should not be the basis for EVERY nickname). Let's put our heads together and come up with some awesome nicknames that can spread throughout the baseball world and generate some interest in our boys in Green and Gold.
Let's have some fun with this. Some of my suggestions after The Jump...
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Wolf being told to spend money
I don't know if this has been brought up or not as I have not been keeping up with AN over the last few weeks, but the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that Lew Wolf has been told by Selig that he will give him San Jose but that Wolf has to play ball. At around the time Selig announced that the stadium was on the "front burner" Beane started signing players like Coco, Gomes, Colon and then trading for Smith. Honestly who saw any of these signings coming? With these moves the A's went from possible 100 games losers to being mediocre to decent. The rest of baseball does not want the A's to be terrible because the worse they are, the worse the revenue they pull in which means the other owner would have to shell out more in revenue sharing. The rest of baseball doesn't want to pay welfare to any team and especially not to a team that is intentionally tanking. So Selig told Wolf that if wants San Jose then he needs to spend more money this season in order to generate more wins and revenue.
I believe Selig has a soft spot for Manny mostly because he helped bring a WS to Boston which MLB undoubtedly loves. I think this is a major factor in Manny's reduced suspension. Maybe its a coincidence, but the A's are the only team "interested" in Manny. I don't think is a coincidence. If the A's sign Manny then its another box checked off on Seligs 'San Jose to Do List' for Wolf.
The wRC+ Challenge
No, this isn't a discussion about rally racing, though let's give it up for Ken Block, the American action sports legend and only Yankee* on the 2012 circuit. This is the W.R.C. for those who may be confused right now. Okay, enough international racing talk, let's get back to some baseball. Here's the challenge:
Who do you, AN, believe will lead this team in wRC+ at the end of the upcoming season?
In non-sabermetric terms, this question is simply: Who will be the team's best hitter in 2012? The math inclined (myself included) like to quantify this through mathemagic and look at stats such as wRC, but please use the metric of your choice. Keep in mind that this discussion isn't about the best overall player; I'm tired of hearing about defense and positional value. I want to know who you think will be the guy we most look forward to seeing come up the plate.
I have no idea whatsoever who's going to take home the A's wRC+ title. Last year Willingham's skill set of home runs and not much else beat out Weeks with his doubles n' triples and Scott "I sort of know how to draw walks" Sizemore's late season surge
2011 A's who were above league average in wRC+ (100 is an exactly league average hitter)**:
Willingham: 123
Sizemore: 118
Weeks: 110
Crisp: 100
This year the title is completely up for grabs. With Willingham gone, Sizemore is now the reigning champ on the team. But Weeks should be biting at his heels. Crisp will probably finish outside the top 3 again (yay for veterans you can count on). The question becomes, who among the hordes of OF/1B/DH do you like to challenge Weeks and Sizemore for king of the hill?
There's the new golden boy Cespedes. Smith could wind up with a huge wRC+ if platooned correctly. Allen could turn in a Willingham type season buoyed by HRs and eke out the top dog position. Maybe Reddick/Carter/Kila/Taylor blossoms into a stud hitter? That walking fool Barton is still just a year removed from a 126 wRC+ season.
My prediction: Smith takes home the title for this rate stat, but does it with only about 300 PA to his name. Among the full-timers, I like Sizemore to take a step forward and capture the 2012 A's wRC+ title. A guy like Reddick could settle in to a quiet life of 105 wRC+ production, but the others will have wild swings of productivity and slumpage. I've resigned myself to the idea of Manny coming to Oakland, and I'm okay with him putting up serviceable numbers. I dislike the idea of him being our best hitter. Here's a stat: In Manny's worst full season he put up a Willingham-like 125 wRC+ (for Boston in '07).
So, who do you all think will be the biggest threat at the plate for the green and gold this year?
*Does it bother anyone else that out hated baseball rival bears the name of the international nickname for Americans. Every time someone references the US populace using that nickname, I have to twinge a bit.
**Well, if you want to play small sample size, Jai Miller hit that one home run as part of his 12 PAs and wound up with a 103 wRC+ last year.
Maybe this is a stupid stats question
Think about the most average player, and whatever you think the best hitting summary statistic is, which i'll call 'H'. now think about whatever pitching stat you value the most, and let's call that 'P'. You can sort the league's pitchers from low P to high P values, and look at the hitter's H stats in that way (ie. his H value for the bottom 10% of the pitchers, then the next 10%, etc). Obviously there will be a tendency for reduced H values as the P group becomes more difficult. Over the population of a league, you can get a measure of what that relationship looks like.
The goal is find out whether a hitter does better than expected given his overall stats against either strong pitching or weak pitching. (ie., if his overall stats indicate a H value of 5, you might expect that he will bat like a 7 against the bottom 10% of pitchers in his league, and a 3 against the top 10%. )
For minor leaguers, would you think that a player that outperforms his overall stats against the better pitchers be a better prospect than a batter who outperforms his overall stats against the weaker pitchers?
I think maybe so, because the better pitchers on a given minor league level are the ones who the minor league batter will face when he gets to the next level.
For major leaguers, are there really some hitters who succeed more than expected against better pitchers and suck more than expected against weaker pitchers? If you could quantify this, would it be useful on either the major or minor league level? And even if it would be useful, is there enough data to evaluate and get significance in your answers?
(and if it would be of use, it could be turned around to evaluate a given pitcher and his performance against better and worse hitters vs. expected results)
I was just trying to think of a way to better predict future performance. I picture 2 AAA hitters with identical overall stats -- but one doing better than expected against the best AAA pitchers but not as good as you would think against the weak AAA pitchers.
This question written by someone (me) who knows little about baseball stats, and I'm sorry if it is, indeed, stupid. It's a long off-season.
A's reportedly sign Cespedes
KNBR just announced that the A's signed Yeonis Cespedis for 4 years $36 million. We will see if this is true. So far I haven't found anything official yet. I was suprised when I did not see anything on AN about it yet. This is an interesting signing if it is true. The Athletics could certainly use the talent, but it does not really fit the rebuild. If we did sign Cespedes where does he fit in with all of the other recent player acquisitions?
Is It Really Worth It: Three Veterans Who May Be Playing Oakland Next Year, But Shouldn't Be
.261/16/73
.290/13/63
.059/0/0
Those were the stat lines (AVG/HR/RBI) of three well-known veterans in 2011. The 1st is johnny Damon. The 2nd is Vladimir Guerrero. The third... is Manny Ramirez.
Of course, Ramirez only had 17 plate appearances in for Tampa Bay before he was suspended (again) for drug use. He ended up retiring halfway through the season before announcing his return to baseball this offseason, and perhaps ushering baseball's version of Brett Favre. He will miss the first 50 games of the season in 2012, and unless he plays just about every single game, he'll finish with 100 games played. Coupled with his lousy attitude and the fact that he's a 39 year-old with a bad track record, is he really worth signing to a million-dollar contract just so that we can see Manny being Manny (which isn't even a good thing).
But here's the thing: are any of three aforementioned vets - Vlad, Damon and Ramirez - actually worth signing? Well, I say no but let's compare them.
1: Johnny Damon
For those of you who didn't know (which may be no one, but whatever), Johnny Damon played exactly one season for the A's, in 2001. He hit .256 with 9 homeruns, 49 RBI and 27 steals (12 CS) in 644 AB's. He was a good hitter who played excellent defense and was a catalyst atop the Oakland A's lineup (and he was better then his successor, Terrence Long). After 2001, he left to pursue a multi-year contract with the Red Sox and ended winning a World Series. Statistically, he made a name for himself as a premier player, and twice hit over .300. In 2006, he went to the Bronx where he once again won a WS while continuing to hit and play good defense. then, he signed a 1-year contract with Detroit. The thing is, the Tigers had a young kid called Austin Jackson who ended up hitting over .300 as a rookie. Damon played 33 games in left, but he ended up spending most of his time as a DH. In 2011, johnny hit 16 homeruns and stole 19 bags in 582 at-bats for the Tampa Bay Rays. This was almost solely as a DH; he played 33 games in the field. Here's his career stat line:
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | |||||
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| 1995 | 21 | KCR | AL | 47 | 206 | 188 | 32 | 53 | 11 | 5 | 3 | 23 | 7 | 0 | 12 | 22 | .282 | .324 | .441 | .765 | 97 | 83 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | ||
| 1996 | 22 | KCR | AL | 145 | 566 | 517 | 61 | 140 | 22 | 5 | 6 | 50 | 25 | 5 | 31 | 64 | .271 | .313 | .368 | .680 | 73 | 190 | 4 | 3 | 10 | 5 | 3 | * | |
| 1997 | 23 | KCR | AL | 146 | 524 | 472 | 70 | 130 | 12 | 8 | 8 | 48 | 16 | 10 | 42 | 70 | .275 | .338 | .386 | .723 | 88 | 182 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 2 | * | |
| 1998 | 24 | KCR | AL | 161 | 710 | 642 | 104 | 178 | 30 | 10 | 18 | 66 | 26 | 12 | 58 | 84 | .277 | .339 | .439 | .779 | 101 | 282 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 | * | |
| 1999 | 25 | KCR | AL | 145 | 660 | 583 | 101 | 179 | 39 | 9 | 14 | 77 | 36 | 6 | 67 | 50 | .307 | .379 | .477 | .856 | 116 | 278 | 13 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 5 | * | |
| 2000 | 26 | KCR | AL | 159 | 741 | 655 | 136 | 214 | 42 | 10 | 16 | 88 | 46 | 9 | 65 | 60 | .327 | .382 | .495 | .877 | 118 | 324 | 7 | 1 | 8 | 12 | 4 | * | MVP-19 |
| 2001 | 27 | OAK | AL | 155 | 719 | 644 | 108 | 165 | 34 | 4 | 9 | 49 | 27 | 12 | 61 | 70 | .256 | .324 | .363 | .687 | 82 | 234 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 1 | * | |
| 2002 | 28 | BOS | AL | 154 | 702 | 623 | 118 | 178 | 34 | 11 | 14 | 63 | 31 | 6 | 65 | 70 | .286 | .356 | .443 | .799 | 109 | 276 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 5 | 5 | * | AS |
| 2003 | 29 | BOS | AL | 145 | 690 | 608 | 103 | 166 | 32 | 6 | 12 | 67 | 30 | 6 | 68 | 74 | .273 | .345 | .405 | .750 | 94 | 246 | 5 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 4 | * | |
| 2004 | 30 | BOS | AL | 150 | 702 | 621 | 123 | 189 | 35 | 6 | 20 | 94 | 19 | 8 | 76 | 71 | .304 | .380 | .477 | .857 | 117 | 296 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 1 | * | MVP-16 |
| 2005 | 31 | BOS | AL | 148 | 688 | 624 | 117 | 197 | 35 | 6 | 10 | 75 | 18 | 1 | 53 | 69 | .316 | .366 | .439 | .805 | 111 | 274 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 9 | 3 | * | AS,MVP-13 |
| 2006 | 32 | NYY | AL | 149 | 671 | 593 | 115 | 169 | 35 | 5 | 24 | 80 | 25 | 10 | 67 | 85 | .285 | .359 | .482 | .841 | 115 | 286 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 5 | 1 | */3 | MVP-15 |
| 2007 | 33 | NYY | AL | 141 | 605 | 533 | 93 | 144 | 27 | 2 | 12 | 63 | 27 | 3 | 66 | 79 | .270 | .351 | .396 | .747 | 96 | 211 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 1 | /3 | |
| 2008 | 34 | NYY | AL | 143 | 623 | 555 | 95 | 168 | 27 | 5 | 17 | 71 | 29 | 8 | 64 | 82 | .303 | .375 | .461 | .836 | 119 | 256 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | */3 | |
| 2009 | 35 | NYY | AL | 143 | 626 | 550 | 107 | 155 | 36 | 3 | 24 | 82 | 12 | 0 | 71 | 98 | .282 | .365 | .489 | .854 | 119 | 269 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | * | |
| 2010 | 36 | DET | AL | 145 | 613 | 539 | 81 | 146 | 36 | 5 | 8 | 51 | 11 | 1 | 69 | 90 | .271 | .355 | .401 | .756 | 105 | 216 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | ||
| 2011 | 37 | TBR | AL | 150 | 647 | 582 | 79 | 152 | 29 | 7 | 16 | 73 | 19 | 6 | 51 | 92 | .261 | .326 | .418 | .743 | 110 | 243 | 4 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 1 | *D7/3 | |
| 17 Seasons | 2426 | 10693 | 9529 | 1643 | 2723 | 516 | 107 | 231 | 1120 | 404 | 103 | 986 | 1230 | .286 | .353 | .435 | .789 | 105 | 4146 | 93 | 50 | 57 | 71 | 38 | |||||
| 162 Game Avg. | 162 | 714 | 636 | 110 | 182 | 34 | 7 | 15 | 75 | 27 | 7 | 66 | 82 | .286 | .353 | .435 | .789 | 105 | 277 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 3 | |||||
Obviously, he's gotten worse over the years, but he's still managed to stay a decent hitter who you can count on for 10-20 homeruns and a good average. Now, I'm not sure whether he could still play in the OF but Oakland's outfield seems pretty much set for 2012, so he play pretty much solely at DH again; Johnny Gomes will spend time at DH, as may Chris Carter (though it also depends on who wins the 1B sweepstakes). Damon is interesting: he's not what he once was, but he still seems like a pretty good hitter who is also a good presence in the clubhouse as a veteran, champion of two World Series.
Here's the thing: where does Damon fit in? It seems whoever loses the 1B contest will get time at DH, as will Johnny Gomes. Damon's defense has decreased and the outfield is pretty much full. Johnny may be the most sensible option for the AThletics, but considering the current situation, signing him would just be a roadblock from some of the rookies and he would either be stealing playing time or not getting much.
Verdict: You could make a good case for Damon, but considering the A's current philosophy, he's not a fit for Oakland.
2: Vladimir Guerrero
Out of all three players, Guerrero may have the most impressive career stat line, even if Ramirez seems to be clearly better. First of all, Ramirez was on 'roids, so we don't know how much of his performance was actually him. Guerrero has 449 homeruns in his career and in 15 full seasons he has hit over .300 13 times. He was ROY in 1997 for the then Montreal Expos and has been named to 9 All-Star games; he was the 2004 MVP and has has finished amongst the Top 10 in voting 5 times. His stats show a scary amount of consistency.
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | |||||
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| 1996 | 21 | MON | NL | 9 | 27 | 27 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | .185 | .185 | .296 | .481 | 24 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | / | |
| 1997 | 22 | MON | NL | 90 | 354 | 325 | 44 | 98 | 22 | 2 | 11 | 40 | 3 | 4 | 19 | 39 | .302 | .350 | .483 | .833 | 117 | 157 | 11 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 2 | RoY-6 | |
| 1998 | 23 | MON | NL | 159 | 677 | 623 | 108 | 202 | 37 | 7 | 38 | 109 | 11 | 9 | 42 | 95 | .324 | .371 | .589 | .960 | 150 | 367 | 15 | 7 | 0 | 5 | 13 | * | MVP-13 |
| 1999 | 24 | MON | NL | 160 | 674 | 610 | 102 | 193 | 37 | 5 | 42 | 131 | 14 | 7 | 55 | 62 | .316 | .378 | .600 | .978 | 146 | 366 | 18 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 14 | * | AS,MVP-11,SS |
| 2000 | 25 | MON | NL | 154 | 641 | 571 | 101 | 197 | 28 | 11 | 44 | 123 | 9 | 10 | 58 | 74 | .345 | .410 | .664 | 1.074 | 162 | 379 | 15 | 8 | 0 | 4 | 23 | * | AS,MVP-6,SS |
| 2001 | 26 | MON | NL | 159 | 671 | 599 | 107 | 184 | 45 | 4 | 34 | 108 | 37 | 16 | 60 | 88 | .307 | .377 | .566 | .943 | 139 | 339 | 24 | 9 | 0 | 3 | 24 | * | AS,MVP-24 |
| 2002 | 27 | MON | NL | 161 | 709 | 614 | 106 | 206 | 37 | 2 | 39 | 111 | 40 | 20 | 84 | 70 | .336 | .417 | .593 | 1.010 | 160 | 364 | 20 | 6 | 0 | 5 | 32 | * | AS,MVP-4,SS |
| 2003 | 28 | MON | NL | 112 | 467 | 394 | 71 | 130 | 20 | 3 | 25 | 79 | 9 | 5 | 63 | 53 | .330 | .426 | .586 | 1.012 | 156 | 231 | 18 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 22 | * | MVP-17 |
| 2004 | 29 | ANA | AL | 156 | 680 | 612 | 124 | 206 | 39 | 2 | 39 | 126 | 15 | 3 | 52 | 74 | .337 | .391 | .598 | .989 | 156 | 366 | 19 | 8 | 0 | 8 | 14 | * | AS,MVP-1,SS |
| 2005 | 30 | LAA | AL | 141 | 594 | 520 | 95 | 165 | 29 | 2 | 32 | 108 | 13 | 1 | 61 | 48 | .317 | .394 | .565 | .959 | 154 | 294 | 16 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 26 | * | AS,MVP-3,SS |
| 2006 | 31 | LAA | AL | 156 | 665 | 607 | 92 | 200 | 34 | 1 | 33 | 116 | 15 | 5 | 50 | 68 | .329 | .382 | .552 | .934 | 139 | 335 | 16 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 25 | * | AS,MVP-9,SS |
| 2007 | 32 | LAA | AL | 150 | 660 | 574 | 89 | 186 | 45 | 1 | 27 | 125 | 2 | 3 | 71 | 62 | .324 | .403 | .547 | .950 | 147 | 314 | 19 | 9 | 0 | 6 | 28 | AS,MVP-3,SS | |
| 2008 | 33 | LAA | AL | 143 | 600 | 541 | 85 | 164 | 31 | 3 | 27 | 91 | 5 | 3 | 51 | 77 | .303 | .365 | .521 | .886 | 130 | 282 | 27 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 16 | MVP-14 | |
| 2009 | 34 | LAA | AL | 100 | 407 | 383 | 59 | 113 | 16 | 1 | 15 | 50 | 2 | 1 | 19 | 56 | .295 | .334 | .460 | .794 | 108 | 176 | 16 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | / | |
| 2010 | 35 | TEX | AL | 152 | 643 | 593 | 83 | 178 | 27 | 1 | 29 | 115 | 4 | 5 | 35 | 60 | .300 | .345 | .496 | .841 | 119 | 294 | 19 | 9 | 0 | 6 | 5 | AS,MVP-11,SS | |
| 2011 | 36 | BAL | AL | 145 | 590 | 562 | 60 | 163 | 30 | 1 | 13 | 63 | 2 | 2 | 17 | 56 | .290 | .317 | .416 | .733 | 101 | 234 | 23 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 3 | *D | |
| 16 Seasons | 2147 | 9059 | 8155 | 1328 | 2590 | 477 | 46 | 449 | 1496 | 181 | 94 | 737 | 985 | .318 | .379 | .553 | .931 | 140 | 4506 | 277 | 103 | 0 | 64 | 250 | |||||
| 162 | 684 | 615 | 100 | 195 | 36 | 3 | 34 | 113 | 14 | 7 | 56 | 74 | .318 | .379 | .553 | .931 | 140 | 340 | 21 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 19 | ||||||
In 2002, he was one dinger away from joining the 40-40 club, and while he's lost almost all of his old speed (and his defensive capabilities), he can still be counted on for 15-25 homeruns and a high average. However, I don't think that his insane 2010 season was an accurate showing of his current capabilities; 36 year-olds rarely have 100 RBI season where they also hit .300. In 2012, I would expect him to put up the same kind of numbers that he put up for Baltimore, perhaps with a few more HR's; think .288/16/77 with .755 OPS.
Well, that's not so bad. The problem is, out of all three players, Vlad is the one who could probably ask for the most money (6-7 million for one year, maybe - I don't know the contract situations), he would be solely DH. Again, the same problem that came up with Damon arises with Vlad, except this time with balky knees. Also, while Damon will probably hit the same way he did in 2011 in 2012, there's a possibility that Vlad will come down to earth and release he's an old man; think .260/11/64. In that case, there's really no point in signing him.
Verdict: Again, interesting, but the chance of a complete failure and the lose of playing time for Carter & Co is too much of a risk.
3: Manny Ramirez
Out of these three players, Manny is the one I feel most strongly about. To put it simply, Manny Ramirez is an jerk. His repeated drug use coupled with his lousy attitude and the catastrophe that is the result of "Manny being Manny" makes him the one of the most disliked players in baseball. He's not going to be a fantastic hitter - perhaps not even a good hitter - he may get injured, and, of course, he'll miss the first 50 games of the season serving the 50-game suspension that he couldn't face last year but says that he'll serve in 2012 (unless he decides to retire again). For a team that seems to pride itself on being loose and fun, Manny is the last player you would want. For sake of being balanced, I'll put his stats here, but they make no difference to me.
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | |||||
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| 1993 | 21 | CLE | AL | 22 | 55 | 53 | 5 | 9 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 8 | .170 | .200 | .302 | .502 | 34 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | / | |
| 1994 | 22 | CLE | AL | 91 | 336 | 290 | 51 | 78 | 22 | 0 | 17 | 60 | 4 | 2 | 42 | 72 | .269 | .357 | .521 | .878 | 125 | 151 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | * | RoY-2 |
| 1995 | 23 | CLE | AL | 137 | 571 | 484 | 85 | 149 | 26 | 1 | 31 | 107 | 6 | 6 | 75 | 112 | .308 | .402 | .558 | .960 | 147 | 270 | 13 | 5 | 2 | 5 | 6 | * | AS,MVP-12,SS |
| 1996 | 24 | CLE | AL | 152 | 647 | 550 | 94 | 170 | 45 | 3 | 33 | 112 | 8 | 5 | 85 | 104 | .309 | .399 | .582 | .981 | 146 | 320 | 18 | 3 | 0 | 9 | 8 | * | |
| 1997 | 25 | CLE | AL | 150 | 651 | 561 | 99 | 184 | 40 | 0 | 26 | 88 | 2 | 3 | 79 | 115 | .328 | .415 | .538 | .953 | 144 | 302 | 19 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 5 | * | |
| 1998 | 26 | CLE | AL | 150 | 663 | 571 | 108 | 168 | 35 | 2 | 45 | 145 | 5 | 3 | 76 | 121 | .294 | .377 | .599 | .976 | 146 | 342 | 18 | 6 | 0 | 10 | 6 | * | AS,MVP-6 |
| 1999 | 27 | CLE | AL | 147 | 640 | 522 | 131 | 174 | 34 | 3 | 44 | 165 | 2 | 4 | 96 | 131 | .333 | .442 | .663 | 1.105 | 173 | 346 | 12 | 13 | 0 | 9 | 9 | * | AS,MVP-3,SS |
| 2000 | 28 | CLE | AL | 118 | 532 | 439 | 92 | 154 | 34 | 2 | 38 | 122 | 1 | 1 | 86 | 117 | .351 | .457 | .697 | 1.154 | 186 | 306 | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 9 | AS,MVP-6,SS | |
| 2001 | 29 | BOS | AL | 142 | 620 | 529 | 93 | 162 | 33 | 2 | 41 | 125 | 0 | 1 | 81 | 147 | .306 | .405 | .609 | 1.014 | 160 | 322 | 9 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 25 | AS,MVP-9,SS | |
| 2002 | 30 | BOS | AL | 120 | 518 | 436 | 84 | 152 | 31 | 0 | 33 | 107 | 0 | 0 | 73 | 85 | .349 | .450 | .647 | 1.097 | 184 | 282 | 13 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 14 | AS,MVP-9,SS | |
| 2003 | 31 | BOS | AL | 154 | 679 | 569 | 117 | 185 | 36 | 1 | 37 | 104 | 3 | 1 | 97 | 94 | .325 | .427 | .587 | 1.014 | 160 | 334 | 22 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 28 | * | AS,MVP-6,SS |
| 2004 | 32 | BOS | AL | 152 | 663 | 568 | 108 | 175 | 44 | 0 | 43 | 130 | 2 | 4 | 82 | 124 | .308 | .397 | .613 | 1.009 | 152 | 348 | 17 | 6 | 0 | 7 | 15 | * | AS,MVP-3,SS |
| 2005 | 33 | BOS | AL | 152 | 650 | 554 | 112 | 162 | 30 | 1 | 45 | 144 | 1 | 0 | 80 | 119 | .292 | .388 | .594 | .982 | 153 | 329 | 20 | 10 | 0 | 6 | 9 | * | AS,MVP-4,SS |
| 2006 | 34 | BOS | AL | 130 | 558 | 449 | 79 | 144 | 27 | 1 | 35 | 102 | 0 | 1 | 100 | 102 | .321 | .439 | .619 | 1.058 | 165 | 278 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 8 | 16 | * | AS,MVP-18,SS |
| 2007 | 35 | BOS | AL | 133 | 569 | 483 | 84 | 143 | 33 | 1 | 20 | 88 | 0 | 0 | 71 | 92 | .296 | .388 | .493 | .881 | 126 | 238 | 21 | 7 | 0 | 8 | 13 | * | AS |
| 2008 | 36 | TOT | MLB | 153 | 654 | 552 | 102 | 183 | 36 | 1 | 37 | 121 | 3 | 0 | 87 | 124 | .332 | .430 | .601 | 1.031 | 165 | 332 | 17 | 11 | 0 | 4 | 24 | *7D | AS,MVP-4 |
| 2008 | 36 | LAD | NL | 53 | 229 | 187 | 36 | 74 | 14 | 0 | 17 | 53 | 2 | 0 | 35 | 38 | .396 | .489 | .743 | 1.232 | 221 | 139 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 16 | ||
| 2008 | 36 | BOS | AL | 100 | 425 | 365 | 66 | 109 | 22 | 1 | 20 | 68 | 1 | 0 | 52 | 86 | .299 | .398 | .529 | .926 | 137 | 193 | 12 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 8 | ||
| 2009 | 37 | LAD | NL | 104 | 431 | 352 | 62 | 102 | 24 | 2 | 19 | 63 | 0 | 1 | 71 | 81 | .290 | .418 | .531 | .949 | 153 | 187 | 7 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 21 | ||
| 2010 | 38 | TOT | MLB | 90 | 320 | 265 | 38 | 79 | 16 | 0 | 9 | 42 | 1 | 1 | 46 | 61 | .298 | .409 | .460 | .870 | 138 | 122 | 6 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 7D | |
| 2010 | 38 | CHW | AL | 24 | 88 | 69 | 6 | 18 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 23 | .261 | .420 | .319 | .739 | 104 | 22 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 2010 | 38 | LAD | NL | 66 | 232 | 196 | 32 | 61 | 15 | 0 | 8 | 40 | 1 | 1 | 32 | 38 | .311 | .405 | .510 | .915 | 150 | 100 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 4 | ||
| 2011 | 39 | TBR | AL | 5 | 17 | 17 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | .059 | .059 | .059 | .118 | -66 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | /D | |
| 19 Seasons | 2302 | 9774 | 8244 | 1544 | 2574 | 547 | 20 | 555 | 1831 | 38 | 33 | 1329 | 1813 | .312 | .411 | .585 | .996 | 154 | 4826 | 243 | 109 | 2 | 90 | 216 | |||||
| 162 Game Avg. | 162 | 688 | 580 | 109 | 181 | 38 | 1 | 39 | 129 | 3 | 2 | 94 | 128 | .312 | .411 | .585 | .996 | 154 | 340 | 17 | 8 | 0 | 6 | 15 | |||||
There's no more to say: Manny has a bad attitude and will hurt the team far more then he'd help it.
Verdict: No, no and no again.
So that's it. Three veterans. Two of them, you could make a case for. But in conclusion, none of them would make much of a difference (they'd just be for one year anyway) and they would contradict the A's current rebuilding philosophy. Say what you want, but I'm not bought on any of them.
Manny's Contract
First and foremost I do not want to sign Manny Ramirez. He has a terrible attitude and personality and will be toxic for the A's clubhouse. He will take away at bats from our young guys AND on top of all that, we can't use him until 50 games into the season. That being said the A's organization doesn't care what I think and they're going to do whatever they want. In case you haven't read the news, it seems like all other teams dropped out of the race and he is Oakland's for the taking.
It will only be a matter of days if we decide to sign him, so what type of contract do you think we should offer. If you look at his stats: http: www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ramirma02.shtml , you can see that he is a phenomenal hitter. Even though he is now off of steroids and Oakland isn't very hitter friendly, he will still probably lead the A's in a lot of categories if given a full season and will still be very impactful with a partial season. Since we are the only team that will give him an offer we can pretty much make it really cheap. As I was brooding about signing him, I thought to myself, 'if were gonna do it we my as well go all out'. So this is what I decided we should offer him:
1yr/ 1mm with a 2nd yr option for 3mm.
2nd year option! Oh no! My reasons are this: He had a 2mm contract from TB in 2011 (even though he "retired"), so since he is only playing a partial season he can get 1mm from us. Then the 3mm option for the next year makes him less upset about only getting 1mm this year.
The next year plan: If he ends up hitting almost as well as he did in 09/10 for the games he plays with us this year (which is absolutely possible), then I think we should bring him back (as long as he isn't a dick). Having someone hit as well as he does and we only pay him 3mm would still be a huge discount to us. By next year Barton probably won't be re-signed and either Allen, Kila, or Carter will be at first. Then one of them can also be traded come the off season. This way Manny in 2013 won't really be taking any AB away from the young guys. If Manny doesn't perform this year then we don't pick up his option. It's a weird dynamic, but it just might work. So if we're going in for Manny with a low ball offer this year, we my as well stretch that low ball offer over to an option for next. What do you think?
Community Prospect List #4
Community Prospect List:
#1: Jarrod Parker, RHP
#2: Michael Choice, CF
#3: AJ Cole, SP
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