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DLD: A's interested in Mike Sweeney?

Jason Stark wrote that the A's are among a couple other clubs mildly interested in Sweeney.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3225433

Star-divide

I would be shocked if the A's had any interest in Sweeney.  He can only DH or play 1B.  We have Cust/Johnson/Barton/ to slow up the basepaths.  It'll be a challenge just to get those three guys some ABs.  

This is probably just a case of Stark looking for some news.  The A's have historically had interest in Sweeney but that was when they were trying to contend and Sweeney's health was a lot better.

I don't know... maybe this doesn't merit it's own diary, but I keep refreshing my browser and haven't seen anything new on the site for a couple hours!

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Brenarlo: put "DLD" in the diary title

and we'll be all set.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 1, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just did

Dump like truck...  what?

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Feb 1, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we can't get Bonds

maybe we should get Mark Sweeney.

It starts with rule No. 1 from coach Don Nelson: Shoot the ball.

by mikeA on Feb 1, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think we should get D.B. Sweeney
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or D.B. Cooper

He's still out there somewhere.

"hunting for fresh meat"

by Masaryk on Feb 1, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or the dBs

As DB Cooper can attest, lonely is as lonely does.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or the D.B.'z

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Feb 1, 2008 6:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or de Killer Bees.

Feel the sting!

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by Ozzz on Feb 1, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

owwwww
my eyesssssss
President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Feb 2, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hollywood Oz,
Sorry but natnotes.com gets nothing as well as your former site which is now restricted.  But I am certain that eventually you will get a site going again.
Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN

by Charlie Brown on Feb 3, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MARK Sweeney might actually make some sense

... in a "we're paying $1 million for a one-win improvement in a non-playoff season" kind of way. Although stap me if I can figure out why the team would need a left-handed pinch hitter.

MIKE Sweeney makes absolutely no sense at all. Cust playing the outfield (which is what this would cause) would, I'm fairly certain, have a significant negative impact on tickets sold.

It would also mean cutting Dan Johnson, if anyone still cares about that. Then again, Chris Shelton cleared waivers, so maybe that's not such a big deal.

(Side note: Is there anyone else who wonders why the A's didn't replace DJ with Shelton when they had the chance to? They've posted similar not-quite-good-enough OPSs at first base, and Shelton is at least right-handed.)

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Feb 1, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think it would be quite entertaining to watch Cust in RF all season.

What are they going to do...send you to baseball jail?

by methodrampage on Feb 1, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure that stapping you...

would be a CGV, if not downright unlawful in some states.

"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Feb 1, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But I think staphing him

would be easier to get away with.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 1, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MRSA! AAAAAAAAAH!
"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 1, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My co-worker? Where?
"Glitter is the herpes of craft supplies."

by Jennifer on Feb 1, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MRSA. Cuts. He dead.

< / Conrad >

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how stupid would that be

if the a's didn't go after bonds, and got mike sweeney instead...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 1, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty stupid
President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Feb 1, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So stupid it'll never happen.

If there's any interest at all, it'll no doubt be in the "Angels are interested, so let's ramp up the price for them" game.

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by Ozzz on Feb 1, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the NFL's Rosemary Woods?

Arlen Specter is going to find out, by gum, as he is demanding to know why the NFL destroyed the Patriots spy tapes.

Picking up on the horse Gregg Easterbrook's been flogging all year, Sen. Specter wonders why the NFL immediately destroyed (ostensibly) every copy of every tape the Pats recorded of opponents' signals, contravening NFL rules, and also destroyed what may have been evidence of other forbidden tech snooping activities, perhaps extending to past Super Bowls.  Specter also wonders why the NFL didn't answer when he asked them the first time, in November, or the second time, in December.

In a Jan. 31 letter to Specter, which the senator released Friday, Goodell said the tapes and notes on the investigation were destroyed to ensure that the Patriots "would not secure any possible competitive advantage as a result of the misconduct."

Specter said the explanation "absolutely makes no sense at all...There's a credibility issue here," Specter said.

Specter, a lifelong Philadelphia Eagles fan who still calls sports radio stations on Monday mornings, said he was concerned about the integrity of sports.

He also, I imagine, promptly took the Giants and the points.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 1, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can't respond to that without a CGV or three
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OT: What, no eyeball?
"The Athletics at Fremont" is lame

by ArakSOT on Feb 1, 2008 1:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There was an eyeball.

Just not at the beginning.

"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 1, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

What, no eyeball at the beginning?

"The Athletics at Fremont" is lame

by ArakSOT on Feb 1, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We should boycott.
"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 1, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again?
"Glitter is the herpes of craft supplies."

by Jennifer on Feb 1, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kate isn't pregnant
"The Athletics at Fremont" is lame

by ArakSOT on Feb 1, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure?
"Glitter is the herpes of craft supplies."

by Jennifer on Feb 1, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well, the little punk is dead

oh, wait

"The Athletics at Fremont" is lame

by ArakSOT on Feb 1, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eric Chavez

sigh

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 1, 2008 1:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

6/$66

Sign of the beast?  Could we have guessed the future of Chavez if only we realized the numerical significance...?

I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Feb 1, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Crosby

< sigh >

"Perhaps most importantly, the A's have a very capable replacement for Tejada at shortstop in Bobby Crosby, whom I just ranked as my #6 prospect in all of baseball."

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap.

That's what I get for skimming past the article's date.  I thought Chavy was just signed to another 6-year extension.

"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 1, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THT links

The quest for respectability-- notable because it includes a phrase I never thought I'd see written in any publication: "Although [Jason] Bartlett will hit for more power..."

Also, changing numerous players seems to improve a lot of bad teams. Never underestimate the power of getting rid of awfulness (here's looking at you, Kendall and Kotsay) and replacing it with averageness.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Feb 1, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

where are the links?

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Hea...

Report: Mets, Santana nearing agreement

SI.com's Jon Heyman believes the Mets and Johan Santana are closing in on a six-year extension worth about $22 million per season.
Other sources have said the Mets are holding firm at five years, perhaps with a vesting option, but Heyman has said all along it'd be six years. Heyman also says the Mets would add about $7 million to his 2008 salary of $13.25 million. That'd mean Santana would earn about $152 million over the next seven years. Feb. 1 - 2:26 pm et

Mets get two-hour extension in Santana talks

Several reports indicate that the Mets and Johan Santana have been granted a two-hour extension past the Friday 5 p.m. EST deadline to continue contract negotiations.
This previously happened during the Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson deals, and it's no surprise that MLB is letting it go again here. If they didn't, there's nothing in the rules to stop the Mets and Twins from agreeing to a new trade and opening a new 72-hour window that way. All signs still point to the sides coming to an agreement. Feb. 1 - 5:20 pm et

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they can split the difference

and sign him for six lunar years.

"The Met's are happy to announce that we've reached an agreement on a contract extension with Johan Santana.  Johan will be wearing a Mets uniform from Rat to Snake."

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 1, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

from Rat to Snake

You mean from Anaheim to Phoenix?

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure. And from Goat to Monkey
would cover Nico and you.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 1, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no, it wouldn't

Nico's behind the goat.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OT links

Speaking of frankenplayers, scientists can now use stem cells to grow spare body parts in your abdomen. That one might not really be off topic, as this could have come in handy for the A's the last couple of years.

And under pressure from outraged parents, Woolworths has stopped selling the "Lolita Midsleeper Combi, a whitewashed wooden bed with pull-out desk and cupboard intended for girls aged about 6."

At first the store refused to withdraw the product. It said that although it wanted to appeal to the family market, "we also have to respond to customer demands and follow current trends".
"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on Feb 1, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

woolworths is still around?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 1, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Was it just that one, or the whole chain?
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

do they still sell the "Quilty" comforter?
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THAT's why A's wanted to keep Blanton.

Spare parts farmland for other players.

"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 1, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

In 2006 Tesco was <sic> removed its pole-dancing kit from the toys and games section of its website after it was accused of destroying children’s innocence.

"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 1, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but they still carry a Swede-dancing kit
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatif I already have a spare part on my abdomen?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 1, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have an entire spare abdomen in my abdomen.

Maybe three.

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by Ozzz on Feb 1, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

???

The Lakers also receive the Grizzlies' second-round pick in 2010. Memphis gets retired guard Aaron McKie, signed earlier Friday for salary cap purposes.

I do not understand NBA transactions. They signed a retired guy just so they'd be paying enough money in salaries?

Bizarre.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Feb 1, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if MLB ever adopts a cap (which they won't) ...

... (and which I for one don't want to see) boy, would Beane come up with some bizarre financial moves.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I have to say

that I'd gladly give up the ability to understand MLB transactions if it meant the A's actually had a level playing field.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Feb 1, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

level, schmevel

Franchise appreciation, on-field payroll, off-field payroll, and revenue sharing checks -- plus one of the richer majority owners in MLB, who could choose to use on-field salaries and signing bonuses as loss-leaders to develop a far more widely and effectively marketed franchise if he so desired -- mean that the A's could be much more "competitive" in their spending than they choose to be.

What's more, my original guess still stands: that if a cap was adopted, Beane would likely be on the bleeding edge of exploiting its loopholes.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really disagree here

but at the same time I also think that you could say the exact same thing about 25 other baseball teams. And if they all go all-out to try to win, frankly, some of them are going to lose-- and there's a good likelihood that the A's would be one of the losers. (Revenue-wise, I mean, not on the field.)

Apart from which, I wouldn't be in favor of an unfair system even if I thought it favored the A's. Someone, be it Kansas City or Tampa or whoever, is going to be on the bottom of the revenue heap. And it's not fair to that team's fans to expect them to suffer for the sins of their ownership.

My take on this situation is pretty simple-- well marketed teams should make money, and badly marketed teams should lose money. Similarly, well-managed teams should win games, and badly managed teams should lose games. What I don't see is the justification for there to be a crossover between the two (apart from the obvious one of winning teams attracting more fans).

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Feb 1, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Better to accomplish that

through (fundamental) revenue sharing on the backs of the owners than through a salary cap on the backs of the players.  IMHO.  Not that either's very likely.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 1, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where to get a new alernate A's hat?
Can't find any online yet, kind of weird.  Usually as soon as a new logo or something is unveiled its available.  I found a new era hat with the new alternate but it has the new era logo on the side, not an authentic MLB hat, which I'm looking for.  A's site still shows the old alternate.
Gas to Chicago- $23.87 A's/White Sox Tix- $28 Watching the A's whipping the Sox in July 05'- Priceless

by WiscoFan on Feb 1, 2008 5:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No, really ...

... I didn't do it!

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 5:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who the hell did this calculation?

The amount of sewage spilled would cover a football field - including the end zones - in sewage 6.3 feet deep.

Good thing they specified that they were including the end zones.  It would totally change my view of the situation if it only went goal-line to goal-line.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 1, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to know how many frontons it would fill
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 1, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's pretty irresponsible
for them not to specify an American or Canadian football field.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 1, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Canadian football fields..

...already have enough shit on them.

Have you guys taken back Ricky Williams yet?

Thanks.

Notes From The Nat has a new home: http://www.natnotes.com - Stop by and mock me for getting my domain stolen.

by Ozzz on Feb 1, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They have an intern

who covers a football field in 2.7 million gallons of sewage and then measures the depth.

"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on Feb 1, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And that intern measures it

by having a series of interns, ranging in height from 5'0" to 6'10", stand on the field.  He fills the field up with sewage and determine which is the tallest intern to be completely covered.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 1, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You laugh.

I was an intern for an environmental consultancy for a summer.  One of the engineers was preparing to testify  in some case about the amount of a particular chemical that had been spilled, and they asked me to compute its volume in units of Olympic-sized swimming pools.  I didn't find the comparison all that enlightening, but maybe the trier of fact did.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 1, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How much to cover Mt. Davis?
"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Feb 1, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Larry?
Notes From The Nat has a new home: http://www.natnotes.com - Stop by and mock me for getting my domain stolen.

by Ozzz on Feb 1, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Super Bowl

They should play Sunday's game on that field...then maybe I would watch.

by drew24 on Feb 1, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like he developed a bit of a habit.

Authorities said Findler had been sneaking into Grace St. Paul Episcopal Church in the night over the last three weeks to look at pornography.

Double Fudge Brownie

by Ice Cream on Feb 1, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No reason to crucify him.
Notes From The Nat has a new home: http://www.natnotes.com - Stop by and mock me for getting my domain stolen.

by Ozzz on Feb 1, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well, aren't *you* superior
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 2, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's 'You'.
Like 'He'.
Notes From The Nat has a new home: http://www.natnotes.com - Stop by and mock me for getting my domain stolen.

by Ozzz on Feb 2, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll init-cap those pronouns ...

... if you'll abandon that freedom-hating Canado-Australo-Brit punctuation scheme and put those quote marks outside of the stops where they belong.

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 2, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were quoting, I would.
But as I'm not using actual quotes, I'm going to go ahead and keep on letting the periods run solo.

"That's what she said."

Notes From The Nat has a new home: http://www.natnotes.com - Stop by and mock me for getting my domain stolen.

by Ozzz on Feb 3, 2008 2:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Duke and Dan Meyer Super bowl quiz video

On yardbarker

MR. Lynch showing some oakland A's pride.

The Video at the yard

by Athletix Man on Feb 1, 2008 11:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

God Bless Hooters and their football jerseys

The eye candy made this video barely watchable.  Because those athletes ... wow, when the Hooters chicks are smarter than you, that can't be good.  Good thing they make athlete money. This video could've used a minute-by-minute commentary.  'Seau' 'Ow!'

by Rickeyfan on Feb 2, 2008 12:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't agree with blessing the jerseys
The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 2, 2008 7:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona: "Come on vacation, leave on probation"

Ever hear of Joe Arpaio?  He's the self-promoting tough on criminals sheriff of Maricopa Country, Phoenix AZ, who believes that prisoners are too damn well treated in this country.  Over the years he's brought in "civilized" measures like chain gangs, tent prisons, and issuing pink clothing (including underwear) to his inmates, in pursuit of the penological theory that it's not enough to have tough sentences...prisoners need to be humiliated at every turn to truly be scared straight.

In today's Chron Scott Ostler catches up with Sheriff Joe and his plans to introduce his retro-style to a whole new audience:  people attending the Super Bowl!


Included on my (embarrassingly long) list of nervous encounters with law enforcement was my trip to spring training in 1994.  My buddy and I drove all night, arriving just before noon on a scorching day in the parking lot of Phoenix Muni.  Just enough time before the game to, um, burn an offering of California's top cash crop to the Gods of the Desert.  And to drink a bunch of beers.

In high spirits we then traipsed into the ballpark and found our seats, which as luck would have it were across the aisle from a maybe a hundred folks with cropped hair, mirrored sunglasses, and rigid postures.  And their husbands.  Their disdain washed palpably about us; fortunately their attention quickly shifted to the on-field ceremonies, where the first pitch was about to be thrown...by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, celebrating Law Enforcement Day at the ballpark.  His legions next to us stood and cheered raucously.

I've never made more of an effort to avoid locking eyes with other fans in my life.   Somehow, my (non-Samoan, non-attorney) friend and I managed to avoid giving any offense beyond the unavoidable ones made by our long hair, sandals, and tie-dyed clothing.

Most of the Arpaio contingent left before the game ended.  We of course stayed for the full 10 innings (the game was eventually called in a 2-2 tie) and headed for my truck.  Wherein we found that the blistering desert heat, reaching perhaps 150 degrees in the closed cab, had the effect of multiplying the smell of agricultural products many times over.  The truck reeked with an intense aroma more common to New Year's Eve in the Coliseum lot than March in Phoenix.  

Five hours of no drink and abundant fear had me scared cold sober.  I locked arms on wheel in 10-to-2 position, stared straight ahead and inched slowly, very slowly, through the lot, which was exceptionally well staffed by Men With No Eyes.

We made it to our Motel 6 refuge without incident, or really (in retrospect) even the slightest actual brush with John Law.  But to this day that remains my benchmark of sporting event fear, against which encounters with Hayward meth freaks, angry drunk Angels fans, and obnoxious Boston ex-pats have been mere trifles in comparison.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 2, 2008 1:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

but inquiring minds want to know ...

... were you "cool," or "groovy"?

The best that can be said about this is that it's imaginative. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 2, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure, but they couldn't see my eyes either

because of my tea shades, and my knuckles were surely white from inner tension.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 2, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All tell tale symptoms

that were blaring neon signs to Arizona's finest distinguished public servants.  But no one is really interested in the medicinal cures of old hippies....especially on their off time when said hippies are minding their p's and q's.    

What's truly surprising about the Maricopa county Sheriffs methods is the level of support it receives from even ex guests.  Oddly enough, his methods may create a safer custody environment.  I suppose thats because it's rather exhausting to engage in gang predation after you've sweated your ass off for 12 hours in the Arizona sun.  

On the whole, in this particular situation your paranoia (herbally induced or not) was probably warranted.  Mr. Arpaio surely means what he says when extolling the virtues of Arizona law and his disdain for those who would sully it.  

Your story reminds me of another one several years ago in my area.  Two of our lesser lights in the community decided to rob a bar at gunpoint.  Unfortunatly for them the bar they choose happened to be a "watering hole" for a segment of society that was legally armed as a consequence of employment.  Apparently they were celebrating the promotion of one of their own when our two would be bandits made their presence known, only to find themselves staring down the barrels of 25 or so handguns of varying caliber.  I'm told the silence was deafening, punctuated only by the sound of hammers being locked in position to fire.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Feb 2, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Mind if we dance with your dates?"

I was hopeful that you'd weigh in here with the insider viewpoint.  I can totally believe that inmate misbehavior drops fast when faced with extra pink-clad chain gang time.  I'm less sure that the "hard time" approach works as a deterrent to the actual committing of crimes on the street.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 2, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At the risk of sounding rude,

which is absolutely not my intention, it's easy to pick out people who have no idea of what goes on in a custody setting.  Actually, it speaks well of you that you don't know, and I sincerely hope you go on not knowing.  To be honest, there are a lot of folks who have done a little county time and continue to be ignorant of what a harsh place prison can be.  There is a rigorous system of "classification" that usually results in the criminally unsophisticated being kept separate from the more agressive predators.  Their limited point of view during the short duration of their stay limits their understanding.  Fortunately so for them.  

It's not a matter of corralling misbehavior.  We can usually accomplish that goal no matter the circumstances of incarceration.  Arpaio's methods are effective in deterring his target group precisely because of his "humiliating" tactics.  The segment of the population he takes aim at are the average Joe's who stop off at the local bar and dally a little longer than is prudent.  These are folks who work, pay taxes, and in a moment of lapsed judgment, make a poor decision.  He keeps the threat of incarceration front and center in this type of persons mind.  He's succeeded in keeping the specter of incarceration an apparition of public shame.  His methods are effective with his target audience precisely because they are decent people at heart who respect "right" and "wrong".  Which is not to say that some of them don't pay heed.  As long as human beings have a human nature, there will always be mistakes.  But on the whole, his methods have served the public and those whom he targets quite well.

On the other side of the coin are those folks whom most members of the public fail to understand at all.  There is no "deterring" them or rehabilitating  them for that matter.  Their sociopathic tendencies are ingrained to such an extent that their world view is beyond the comprehension or reach of society.  Self interest and fear are the closest approximations that most of us will ever experience which serve as common denominator between us.  These are the forces that perpetually dominate and drive their thinking.  Lecter said it best when dealing with these people.  We are neither savage nor wise.  Instead we lock them up together and allow them to wreak havoc on one another.  Pity the weak among them at your own peril. And understand that there a lot more of them walking around with you than you would think.  They live perfectly ordinary lives until the day they perceive that it is in their interests do to otherwise.  

You, my friend, have a healthy dislike of conforming with authority for the sake of conformity alone. Like most cops you chafe at the burdens imposed upon you by authority while simultaneously understanding that right is right and wrong is wrong. The Socialist in you wants to go on believing that human beings are basically good in nature because you yourself are basically good.  You would be wrong to apply that standard across the spectrum of humanity.  It's an illusion.      

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Feb 2, 2008 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I think people suck

I have few illusions about that.  Though I'm sure I can't conjure up the depths of sociopathy one in your position sees every day.  When it comes to the violent predators, I've little problem deferring to the experts.

It's the idea of deterrent shame as an acceptable tactic against minor non-violent first offenses that I object to.  Leave aside drunk driving, which recklessly puts innocent lives at risk.  But for things like smoking a joint, or vandalism, or stealing a car stereo, to have first offenders sent for any time is usually overkill, I think, and to make it time in a tent jail with days spent on public humiliation display is uncivilized.  I'm sure it has a certain deterrent effect; so did the old public stocks and flogging.  Doesn't make it right in the 21st century, and that's where Sheriff Joe bothers me.  Not everything that's effective is OK.

I appreciate your insight and don't find your assumption of a lack of behind-the-bars knowledge on my part rude at all.  Though I might surprise you on that score too.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 3, 2008 12:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And yet paradoxically,

it's the revulsion you experience at public humiliation that make it an effective deterrent.  Why knock one of the few things that actually works?  You don't actually suppose the ancients were barbaric and cruel with no purpose at all in mind do you?  Measured in terms of civil societies, they put us to shame. But as with all things.....at a price.

I suspect you've spent a night or two contemplating bail schedules and their application to the eighth amendment....lol.  Nonetheless, virtue is a vice in which you still engage.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Feb 3, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your story started out as Fear and Loathing in LV

(as you pointed out), and ended up as Up in Smoke!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 2, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball analyst for the Seattle Times

Larry Stone indicates from this article that if the Bedard trade goes through, the Mariners gain in the short-term (immediate contention for the AL West), but at great longterm cost.

by OaklandSi on Feb 3, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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