Open Thread: Game 88 - A's vs. Mariners
Well, here we are, at the part of the season that will decide the remaining games...will the A's be buyers or sellers?
One team is hard enough to catch; let alone two, and the A's are in danger every day of falling out of the race completely. They simply must put together some wins, starting with the game today--the last game before the All-Star Break.
They have a good shot on the mound, as Joe Blanton, who has been amazing for the last month, faces off against LHP Ryan Feierabend, someone the A's haven't seen before. Here's to good pitching from Blanton, and timely hitting from the offense.
One day at a time. That's all we still have left. The Angels are losing big right now, so with a win, we can knock a game off in the standings.
Lineups
Seattle
Suzuki
Lopez
Ibanez
Guillen
Sexson
Beltre
Johjima
Bloomquist
Ellison
Oakland
Stewart, LF
Ellis, 2B
Swisher, CF
Cust, RF
Kielty!!! DH
Chavez, 3B
Johnson, 1B
Crosby, SS
Kendall, C
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
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Sadly, the WC teams
are now on par with the Angels, meaning we can't catch either without catching both. Of course, when you're one game over .500 it's hardly worth worrying about...Need. Some. Wins. Like a lot in a row, preferably three or four in a row just today.
FIRST!!!
Dang. :-(
-Cindi.
Nico, you are the best in your class
and in a class of your own.
Must be the first-ever attempt to claim "First!"
We could also use
Some of those hotspots, like in NBA Jam TE, where you can score multiple runs if you hit it to a certain spot. We'd probably break 50 if they gave us five runs every time we grounded into a double play. It would also further validate Beane's strategy of acquiring hitters who are strong enough to roll over and ground any pitch thrown with a man on first.
Need Offence?
Maybe we should DFA Swisher or Johnson Or Stewart?
Anyone think that would help produce more runs?
Billy?
I really hate to say it - but we are D O N E.
I will still watch and pull for the A's like I have since 1970 though.
Hey, there's a great idea
DFA Swisher. Why didn't I think of that?
The story is in the details...
Apparently, while Swisher may bring offense, he can't bring "offence". We're looking at it all wrong!
Scouts at the game
Sounds like Beane put out some bait and trying to reel in some trades. Out there as bait are kenedy, keilty(activated today), and Piazza. A few teams are interested in Piazza and how well keilty does he could be traded too. If kkenedy pitches out of the starting rotation soon then its because the A's are show caseing him for a team.
Today is the day!
Big win coming today. I can feel it. We need to go into the ASB with a good taste in our mouths...maybe like Grolsch or Widmer...
Oh yeah, I think Daric should at least get a few ab's...just in case it is lightning in a bottle...
Start selling
Sadly, we are not going to catch the other teams in front of us. Ship off Kennedy, DJ, and Piazza and bring up Barton. Now, if we win 10 in a row, I'll change my tune, but since we can't win 3 in a row, I'm not going to hold my breath.
I hear ya, but...
I wouldn't give up right now. Piazza is on the way out anyway and probably to a national league team. That has to be the only reason the A's would have him work on his catching. Kennedy is no great loss, and what would you get for him? Let's see what the next couple of weeks bring the A's and then decide.
by Coach Cleats on Jul 8, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
agree on Kennedy
he was solid in the bullpen last year and i think that's where his role is when Loaiza comes back. his value is probably as low as its ever been this year and we werent going to get a lot for him anyway.
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
i'd hold onto Piazza
and take the draft picks next year when he walks no matter where the a's are when the trade deadline comes up. there arent many teams out there that are going to give up top prospects for a DH or part time catcher whose catching skills are on the decline. plus having Piazza on the team is going to help the younger guys like Swish and Suzuki like Thomas did last year.
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
draft picks
Are you saying nobody wants Piazza? If so, what makes you think we get draft picks for him?
We only get draft picks if another team signs him, and if they don't sign him before Dec 7 we only get the picks if we first offer him arbitration.
Last year San Diego declined to offer arbitration to Piazza, so they didn't get any picks when we signed him. I think something similar will happen after this year.
selling Piazza now
isnt selling high. i'm hoping for a strong second half from him and i think he'll probably want to go back to a NL team next year anyway rather than come back as DH.
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
FEIERABEND NOW!!!
Boy, mikeA is not going to be pleased at all with today's starting pitcher for the M's.
You're right, not on board with that
Especially this:
He was especially indignant about the condescending attitudes of many scientists towards alternative traditions. For example, he thought that negative opinions about astrology and the effectivity (sic) of rain dances were not justified by scientific research, and dismissed the predominantly negative attitudes of scientists towards such phenomena as elitist or racist.
Luckily, he comes from the tradition of pitching that celebrates yielding runs in great abundance.
Sounds like
SPWC would love him.
as would Poole and Del Grande
so, therefore ...
... Nico and I are being elitist when we criticize LD for planning players' rehab sessions around their star charts?
Offense?
No worries, Milton Bradley is coming ba--oh wait.
in the office now....must be later than
usual sunday start....hopefully can finish up and get home for mlbtv since i can no longer get it at office pc. hopefully i can maintain some equanimity in this last game before the ASB no matter what the outcome.
Buyers and sellers
The buyer-seller dichotomy is exaggerated in general and certainly doesn't apply to the A's.
I used to get frustrated reading all the posts here about how we should give up on this season and become "sellers". But as I read the detailed proposals from these posters, I realize that most of them only want to "sell" the borderline junk players that we ought to try to trade anyway, and even as a "seller" they aren't willing to give up anyone any good. If that's what it means to be a seller, then sure, sell away.
Nice to see Ervin Santana
maintain his stellar away form ... 9 earned runs on 7 hits & 2 walks in 3 innings.
by green star oakland on Jul 8, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
woo-hoo!
< high-fives mikeA >
Kielty DH, Cust RF.
Why not the other way round ?
by green star oakland on Jul 8, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe
they're planning to sub Suzuki for Kielty as soon as the starting pitcher is out?
I dunno. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.
Kielty is injury prone?
And Jack Cust is Superman.
Cust in RF
we need to find out if he can play an acceptable level of defense anyways assuming the master plan still is to have both him and Piazza in the lineup in the second half.
Kielty's just coming off the DL and was sore after playing 9 innings in the OF for Sacramento on friday, so i guess this is just precautionary.
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Learning the position?
Maybe with the thought that Piazza will need some ab's, and his catching is not going well, so if they can find a place for Cust on the field....
kendall and crosby
both competing for the cellar at this point.
an interesting study in contrasts: kendall has absolutely no power and gets robbed in shallow OF while crosby keeps hitting them hard without a plan, right at the fielders. kendall looks like he's lost his eye at the plate this season, his walks are way down. crosby looks like one of the dumbest hitters in the league right now. he's absolutely adamant about not making adjustments and sticking with his swing while the pitchers have him figured out.
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Suzuki
is apparently lost in the land between time. Catching tomorrow, catching yesterday, but never catching today.
can anyone explain mgmt's catcher "strategy"?
I'm starting to strongly suspect/fear that Beane will, in fact, sign Kendall to an extension in the offseason.
I assume the strategy is
that they really do believe Kendall's handling of the pitchers is crucial and having Suzuki on the team helps him to learn.
mlb audio
Its free trial time again!
yay!
so many games to watch!
I want to watch the A's game, the futures game, and the Dodger game... I need picture in picture in picture!
hehe looks like another stellar Barry Zito outing
the worst contract in the history of sport and it was the Giants who are stuck with it. hahahahahhahaha!
by Virgil Chevalier on Jul 8, 2007 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
why not the other way around, part 2
Ichiro DH, Ibañez LF
Blanton doesnt look sharp
in the early going. too many pitches up.
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 1:14 PM PDT reply actions
if Crosby goes 0/4 today ...
... and Kendall goes 2/4, Kendall will surpass Crosby in AVG.
Hmmm...
So basically, the only question is if Kendall can go 2 for 4.
i'm tuning out of the thread
for luck. hopefully the a's come back to win this one!
by oak1 on Jul 8, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions
Fun Zito reading...
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/sto...
but the original 'Mando cartoon is better.
Suzuki triple got me to wondering...
is that his name...or what he rides around the bases. That guy is ridiculously fast.
Hi everyone! I see we are already losing...
Imagine the difficulty of the guy who posts highlight video on oaklandathletics.com when you get shutout? He chose DiNardo's excellent work out of the bullpen when I would rather no highlight be posted at all.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
Ronnie Mac is coming up to bat. Yea!
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
Cleaning the bathroom for luck
Just tuning in, after cleaning the bathroom, which I'd long been putting off. Goes back to the days where I firmly believed that if I put off my homework to listen to a game, the A's would lose. Let's hope it works, because deeyamn.
Hopefully he gets a couple of hits today so
it can boost his confidence during the break.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yay Eric!
Chavy slama-lama-ding-dong! Hip, hop hooray!!
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
but but
there was one out! and that was the tying run! ahhhh!!!
Thank you, Chavez!
what? A's hitters scoring on a pitcher with an
ERA over 9?? Unheard of!
OK...but which team is
Damian playing for?
Of course no one else has "squared up" on one...
and this pitcher appears to be awful at best. Still I am glad that we are tied.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Stew's arm looked powerful right there
due to the short distance to 2B.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Didn't he tear it up in HS playing football?
I'd cut him some slack. He's had a successful career despite a horrendous injury - not too shabby.
I never heard that one. That sucks.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick inning for Joe.
Hope that continues.
This "Dibs" talk is getting very tiring.
Do they not make enough money to get their own? The other night Huston was wanting to take the "Stomper Bear" and Ray said "that's for my grandson" so he must really save some money getting all these freebies.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
Those Dibs are good!
I want free ones too.
anybody see this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...
jayson stark first half awards...AL LVP is Julio Lugo. Honorable mention go to Jason Kendall AND Bobby Crosby. And we ANers think the national media doesn't reward the A's enough. See, we got recognition. d'oh!
good news is that he gave first half AL Cy Young to Dan Haren.
Crosby really needs to improve on his throws
to 1B. He is "off-line" on many routine plays.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
Gee ya think? ;)
Hey, it's worked for him this long
so therefore there's no reason to change anything.
</snark>
Nice :-)
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks :-)
Scary thing is I can imagine something like that coming out of his mouth..
Actually, his throws are far down
the list on things that Bobby needs to do better.
What is happening?
Why are they getting hits? This upsets me.
Apparently it has something to do with
swinging the bats. I hope our guys study this developing trend.
That would be great!
Hits are coming THIS inning...
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Whew. We deserved to get out of there
unscathed. Mariners have been pretty fortunate today so far.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions
Bless me Father...
for I have hit. And I'm going to do it again.
come on klown, klobber one
a walk will do....but risp with chavey...not good, prove me wrong.
Go to hell.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry I borrowed your phrase
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, you have reached the end of your credit
line. He only hits solo shots...and only once per game.
no funds available...and the card gets
sucked in by the atm
Oh well at least he tied the game.
Baby steps Chavvy, baby steps.
smart move
pitching around dj to get to crosby...
Lets go Croz!!
DO IT.
please prove us all wrong, Bobby
bases loaded two out and we got...
crosby...wheee
Your are now seriously overdrawn.
maybe the blind squirrel
will find a nut next at bat
hey, i am used to it...but good gawd!!!
Let's run down Bobby's list
of things to do.
Strike out less often.
Take a pitch or two of a 9 plus era.
Reach out and pop up a pitch on the outside corner.
Throw straight.
What am I missing?
Suck less?
Maybe catch a career ending
illness? OH wait...he may already have that.
Go away forever?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Crosby doesn't play the part of a baseball player
very well. Not even on TV.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
Probably because Swish kicked him out of the
house.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
<sigh>
Is this the second time this series that the Mariners walked the bases loaded to get to Crosby? Well, can't blame them, the strategy works everytime.
crosby fails to deliver
with the bases juiced and 2 out...(shocking)
I had "K" for all of the marbles.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
prop bets
on how crosby or chavy would make an out with risp would be riveting!
really after watching Fbrand walk two in the
inning and the bases loaded, you thought Bobby would see enough pitches to K???
Gotta question your thought process on that...
True but a broken clock can be right twice a day.
I just assume that Crosby will accidentally do something right on occasion. Silly me.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I had "get a hold of one"
which is basically what happened...
and once again through 4 complete A's two hits
off a pitcher with ERA at 9.7 at the outset.
Stellar.
Crosby!!!!
Dude, just threw 5 straight balls and he tries to pull an outside pitch. C'mon
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
Admitting failure before he steps into the box
is much easier. No reason to think of something rational when he is up... since he is incapable of using his brain.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I was all in with a Crosby fly out trying to pull
an outside pitch. Too bad I was right. I hate being right. When will Crosby realize his potential. When or if?
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
the longer the season progresses...
the more i believe it's an "if"
Kipling?
I don't know, I've never kippled
the ceiling has been hit in rookie
year and lowered ever since
True and he was probably the least impressive
ROY that I can remember.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
the good thing about the crosby ab
at least there wasn't one out. because then he would have hit into a dp.
nice hit kendall
i was just about to make a snide comment about you leading off the inning
i'm glad geren
decided to make something happen rather than wait for the big hit
This is exactly why you bunt sometimes.
Our offense is struggling mightily and you just have to force the action every once in a while. I'm glad we tried to "give away an out" there.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
I wonder if Ryan will wear his jersey?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I kid. I kid. Props to him.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we could use a big break like that. Let's go A's
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
the little league bunt triple!!!!
WOOHOO!
A BREAK!!!
Are the BB's gods teasing? Do they have evil intentions and plan on ripping our hearts out later on? Is this why they used Beltre?
Crosby is selling his soul to the devil
during the ASB. Afterwards he will hit 25 hrs and drive in 56 runs during a 2nd half MVP-like close to the season.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hah...even Satan won't make that trade.
Crosby doesn't have that much trade value.
Satan just doesn't give it up for nothing
these days? Times have changed when you consider all of the butt-ugly rock-n-rollers who made out pretty well over the years.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It's KLOWN time bitches.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions
This is exactly what I haven been...
...talking about for 2 years! Drag the ball, even if it isn't a surprise. Ellis (who may be the only one apparently)who knows how to bunt and it worked. This is called luck AND manuafacturing runs. With no outs and men on first and third, what is next?
Ronald MacD to the rescue
hello!!!!! memo to the Seatle Manageer. Big red crushes lefties.
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions
He must have known something there.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Chavez showing horrible body language
after that first pitch. He must have decided that "The Man" was screwing him before he rolled over to 2nd.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
yes..after a strike call he does not
like, it seems to linger with him...when in fact it is as set in the past as the pyramids and julious caesar.
It really is sad that a guy making that much
can't adjust to a bad call. Maybe that is why he always swings at the 1st pitch in key situations? He ain't gonna wait around and let that ump screw him over.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys are ridiculous, you expect our LOOGY, to
get out lefties like Big Papi, but when another team brings in a good LOOGY, Chavez has to get a hit. It doesn't work both ways.
by theblackpearl on Jul 8, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you see the pitch he grounded out on?
It was about face high and outside. All I want is for him to swing at a reasonable pitch. Is that too much?
and he looked "defeated" after the Strike 1 call.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
well isn't that standard.
I can only laugh
It took a lot of creativity and brilliant execution to not score from a bases loaded, nobody out situation. I respect that..
Chokvez,
a single would have scored two there big guy!
by BruceBochte on Jul 8, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
thanks kielty
probably the worst thing he could have done in that situation. would have much preferred a strike out or even a pop out. bases loaded, no outs.... and we come away with NOTHING. makes me grind my teeth.
by mcaforlife on Jul 8, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
On the first pitch
Way to be patient with a new arm in there Booby!
by BruceBochte on Jul 8, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
bases loaded and no outs?
A's love possiblying ruining our Sunday. C'mon A's
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 2:36 PM PDT reply actions
How bad are we playing these days?
Even in the innings where we take the lead (for the first time since Thursday), I feel icky at the end, like we just fell behind.
I'm so sick of this lineup.
Are there ANY big league hitters on this team? Stewart and Swisher... that's about it.
so let me get this straight
we can score two runs with runners on first and second while bunting, but can't score any with bases loaded nobody out...
Okay just needed to write that out to truly understand it.
Allrighty then...
Let me see if I have this straight. Bases loaded, no outs. The A's manage to GIDP and NOT score a run...and then end the inning on a routine groundball from their slugger. Nice. VERY VERY nice.
If you want to get all legal and technical...
I withdraw the comment. Of course I meant "alleged slugger."
A's have more Boobies than a mother's group
Kielty
Crosby
by BruceBochte on Jul 8, 2007 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
yea
bases loaded no outs with your 5 & 6 hitters coming up. and nothing. pathetic.
by mcaforlife on Jul 8, 2007 2:38 PM PDT reply actions
Apparently, neither has anyone else
on this team.
He's seen Pac-league pitching for a while
but I assume you don't mean that.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
"thanks for saving my ass ellis"
~ joe blanton
GO Dodgers!!
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
on the upside
a very nice neat shut down inning from big Joe.
Atta boy.
Suggestion for Blanton:
Next time throw your body in front of it--I guarantee you won't miss the ball.
We'll be calling him
Tank Blanton after that
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He does have snail-ly quickness...
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
hilarious...kielty's first game back
...batting .160, and he bats 5th in our lineup before chavy and crosby. the kicker is that it actually makes sense.
Does the team dislike Crosby? I am waiting
for a Mychael Urban truthful article on him becoming a "tired act."
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions
Are you kidding?
They love the guy. The players know that no matter how bad a game they have, Crosby will play his regualar game, and let everyone else off the hook.
at the workplace I love working
with underacheivers....that way, i can coast and seem talented.
I liken his lack of adjusting to someone at work
being late every day and then saying "I'm trying my best." No you aren't trying your best if you don't try and change an approach that isn't working AT ALL.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
yep, i work with one of those and the
boss lets them skate and accepts their excuse....resulting in synicism and lowered morale and dedication with the others...as it has been going on for three years.
Man our offense is really pathetic
Is this the best we can do? For all the sabermetrics Beane has invested in, we are at the bottom in most offensive statistics. Our pitching is what has kept our record above .500.
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
What's with all the negativity?
We're up 3-2 and getting plenty of hits.
Weekend home games are the worst for game threads on AN. Most RAFs are at the game, so the game thread is dominated by bitter cranks who just want to bitch.
If we do bad, they're happy. If we don't do bad, they dream up weird things to bitch about like Chavez's body language. His body language?? What the hell does that mean? Did you approve of his body language after the home run?
Yeah. His body language after the strike 1 call.
Did you not see his reaction? I'm very happy that he hit a homer but we should have scored more runs unless you haven't been watching the game.
We scored two runs on a bunt and one on a solo homer. I certainly don't think it's crazy to expect 4 or 5 runs right now instead of 3.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Whats with all the negativity?
wait for it...wait for it...THERE!!
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not still with Cleveland?
Finally
getting some good body language. That'll help the team.
why don't I feel as confident when the opposition
has the bases loaded with nobody out.
When our team has that situation I am totally confident they wont score.
Too late on the post.
Just trying to support :-)
I like that though!
I sure am ready for the ASB.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Seattle's fifth outfielder
Vidro getting a day off, with Ichiro at DH.
Normally they'd start Bloomquist in CF, but Betancourt was a late scratch, so moved Bloomquist to SS and put Ellison in CF.
He's being a good teammate
Blanton shoved Ichiro for no good reason (unless you count "showing some emotion" a good reason).
Blanton acted out of frustration -- OK, that's understandable. But don't defend him like he was right, or Ellison was wrong for defending his teamate. Blanton was clearly in the wrong here. By tomorrow he'll realize that.
Hey at least he has some fire. No one else
has shown much emotion lately.
I agree that he overreacted, though.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Blanton just grab his package?
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 2:58 PM PDT reply actions
Several times...wow.
That was pretty bush league.
Yeah, some of the Mariners were in the way, but Blanton went a little too far with the shove and Ellison sure didn't help.
Felix Hernandez rushed out way late and that was pretty silly.
Blanton's upset at losing the lead but he went a bit overboard with all the f-bombs, grabbing his junk and so on.
Sad.
I totally agree
That was totally bush league on Blanton's part. I'm glad I wasn't there at the game with my nephew. The children at the game didn't need to see that. Totally uncalled for.....
by 30something on Jul 8, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ichiro basically standing on the ball
Blanton took a pretty cheap shot and shoved him away (trying to get the ball). Ellison took exception, and shoved Blanton. Fight ensued from that.
Thanks. I got the impression Ichiro wouldn't
move so Blanton shoved him to get to the ball and Ellison came in and attacked Blanton. So Blanton was primarily at fault for the fracas?
Ichiro
had no idea the ball was there.
It bounced off Lopez running for home and rolled slowly off to the side. Ichiro was just out to high-five the runner who came in, didn't even see the ball.
And Ellison didn't shove Blanton nearly as hard as Blanton shoved Ichiro.
It was a cheap shot in that
Blanton shoved Ichiro far harder than necessary (probably understandable, heat of battle, frustration, etc, but still, not good), then stared at Ichiro for 5 seconds before picking up the ball (not good at all).
Ellison responded with a shove, and all downhill from there.
And Ellison put up his dukes right away.
Double fielded by Stewart, hit Crosby, who threw
home. His throw was deflected at the plate by whoever was sliding in (Ichiro?) and Kendall lost track of the ball. Blanton finds it, pushes a loitering Ichiro out of the way and then gets bumped by Ellison.
Followed by a bench clearing, lots of posturing and erm, handbags at 10 paces. Your typical baseball 'fight'.
blanton went to get ball and ichiro was just
standing by the ball and another player. blanton shoved ichiro and another guy went after blanton
by smasfan on Jul 8, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
dont think Ichiro saw blanton..
he was looking towards the field and blanton came from behind..
Joe was just frustrated and pushed him out of the way before he realised he had no play, and then some fool pushed him and pulled up his dukes.
The guy was about half the size of Blanton and looked sorry he pushed.
I never like brawls
but I have to say this is one of the stupidest brawls I've ever seen.
yep, this is a dumb one
and no doubt built up frustration is main cause.
It was Blanton vs. All Mariners at one point
And I think it was a close draw. Would have been interesting to see Joe vs. Ichiro in the ring. Suzuki wouldn't have lasted 60 seconds.
It wasn't a brawl. They probably exchanged...
...phone numbers so the guys not doing anything for the next few days can make golf plans or something.
This could rival
the Lackey-Kendall brawl of last year...did we get hot after that?
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
I don't like
brawls either and I admit it was a somewhat cheap shot Blanton took but what I do like is the emotion good or bad. A little fire whether it is out of frustration or not is good to see from these guys. It is nice to see that they are frustrated with things too.
He was standing on a live ball with a runner at 3
who can come on.
by theblackpearl on Jul 8, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you miss understood
sorry my fault in the way I worded that. It was just a shove I know, saw the whole thing. I am by all means not trying to make more of it then it is. Like I said it was nice to see the emotion from the guys is all i am saying.
Screw that.
All I know is that the A's finally entertained me for the first time in weeks. No need to apologize for that. lol
Blanton always has emotion when he's losing
He tends to get quite frustrated... either with himself or his lackluster offense, nobody knows. Brawl or not, he just gave up an extra base hit with the bags full. That's on him.
Holy Goodness!
Blanton almost ate the entire Mariners team!
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 3:04 PM PDT reply actions
Must. Resist.
Godzilla. Reference
It all started with Crosby's errant throw
I BLAME ALL OF IT ON CROSBY. A GOOD THROW GETS THE RUNNER OUT AT HOME
by Testy1212 on Jul 8, 2007 3:05 PM PDT reply actions
Works for me except the other 2 runs.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You can go backwards from there...
- I blame it all on Blanton for throwing the pitch to Ibañez. (And for loading the bases)
-- back further --
- I blame it all on Kendall for calling the pitch that Blanton threw to Ibañez (and for loading the bases.
-- back further --
- I blame it all on Geren for letting Kendall and Crosby play in the game.
-- back further --
- I blame it all on Beane for not DFAing Kendall and Crosby who called the pitch and made the bad throw that let Ibañez get the hit that let the M's take the lead and start the fight.
-- back further --
- I blame Bud Selig for everything.
Agreed
Crosby should be suspended for 30 days!
announcers were funny they said at what time is
the ball considered dead. when the fighting erupts?
by smasfan on Jul 8, 2007 3:07 PM PDT reply actions
also just said Blanton wasn't ejected, but
gameday said he was. doesn't matter anyway, just surprised if he didn't get ejected. surprised if only 1 or 2 by the sounds of it.
they said if he hadnt shoved first and grabbed
ball and then did it would have been interference
by smasfan on Jul 8, 2007 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
Reverse of the Miguel Tejada miff vs. Boston
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That was dumb to get in a "fight"
... hopefully it will fire our offense up in a good way and we can get the lead back. Assuming we get out of this inning with the score as it is.
offense...
you know, the thing that the other teams seem to have a lot of lately.
I thought it was how Jason Ellison
took Blanton's shove of Ichiro.
In all fairness to Blanton
I'd be pretty PO'ed too if my team can't score runs for crap (especially off a guy with a 9 something ERA) and manages to not score a single run with the bases loaded and no outs.
Thats not why hes frustrated!
Hes frustrated cause he couldnt eat Ichiro
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 8, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
OH yes...
yes he could. I had to laugh at the Mariner who attempted to puff up. I actually did laugh when he raised his hands into a fighting posture and then slowly lowered them when Joe advanced. I guess he thought maybe it wasn't such a good idea.
Lip reading
I think the Mariners were looking for a place to get dim sum, and Blanton emphatically recommended this place several times.
We will soon know if our
pathetic offense can be enraged. The Mariners are pretty much mocking them as a potent force. It damn well is Ichiro's job to know where the ball is, especially when it's in play, and most especially if he is on the field. Blanton had every right to push him out of the way. He' trying to field a live ball.
Casilla is pitching with an attitude. Maybe this little dust up when waken the team from its lethargy.
Prewtty close to right...
...What bothers me is that the ball is in play. One man from the opposing team (Sexton) is the on-deck batter and deserves to be on/around that circle. The rest of Seattle is supposed to be in the dugout. Why was Ichiro even out there? For me the proper call would be the moment Ichiro didn't clear away from the ball, he interferred and all runners return to the base where they were. Whether Ichiro saw the ball is beside the point. If for some reason it was OK for him to be where he was, he still had the duty to move as far away from the ball as he could. If this is all wrong, them why not bring both dugouts out and let them lounge around. This way the catcher, third baseman, first baseman, etc., can't 'get through the crowd to catch any ball.
i agree i brought that up in another post someone
said they didnt have to and i disagreed on that
by smasfan on Jul 8, 2007 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No one suspended?
Good call by umps.
Blanton was out of line, but it wasn't a suspension-worthy offense.
Ellison's retaliation is excusable given that Blanton started it.
they kicked out a mariners that ran out of the
dugout and they restrained him even before he got into it. he couldnt there were so many mariners. batista
by smasfan on Jul 8, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he was out of line pushing Ichiro
but he definitely was when he grabbed his junk and threw F-bombs towards Seattle. He made it worse by continuing to jar with them.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty nice job of damage control by Casilla.
I have to concentrate on something positive.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 8, 2007 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
Did Joe get tossed, or just pulled by Geren?
Casilla didn't seem to throw more than the standard warmup, where if Blanton was tossed he'd have as many tosses as he wanted.
Ejected
NEW THREAD OPEN!
God knows we need it!
Well, anyway...
I'm off to the bookstore to pick up something for my upcoming vacation.
It will be different not obsessively trying to catch A's scores this time.
As for the "fight," Blanton was more frustrated than anything else. Ichiro didn't get out of the way. But Blanton didn't bother to pick up the ball right away. He was more interested in shoving Ichiro. Ellison was sticking up for his star teammate. I'm not surprised he wasn't tossed.
Hey, what a surprise! More crappy offense.

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