Open Thread: Game 81 - A's at Yankees (cont.)
by Nico on Jul 1, 2007 11:51 AM PDT
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Keep puttin runs on the board
Yanks not going away yet. Looks like Haren is settling down at least. Go A's!
At least Haren can get the win
I don't see why he should pitch another inning. He's already probably given all that he has. Why extend him?
He'll start the next, and see if he can get
another, quick inning.
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
the reason haren goes 1 more
is because of the alternative. lead is only 0.8 embrees.
casilla could go 2, but if he can be limited to 1 he is available tomorrow too.
balancing today and tomorrow...always tough.
the only thing entertaining about that inning...
was Travis Buck's new cleancut look.
what was that i guess we will see when
they come back after commercial
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
He went around, but that was a very late swing...
...call. You have to call that immediately in a situation like that.
Who knows why Kotsay
stopped running
by Bleeding the Green and Gold on Jul 1, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
That was on the ump
You can't wait that long to make the call in that situation.
I agree that was on the ump
I just would have liked to see Kotsay run it out just in case ... it can't hurt
by Bleeding the Green and Gold on Jul 1, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
umps get graded on their umpiring that ump will
get a F
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
andy phillips???
what's wrong today?
C'mon Haren!!
Make it quick and get an additional shutout inning!
Can't let Peavy have the ERA mantle!
Dallas Braden?!
gets really interesting...
from here on out. Please let Dallas throw his screwball.
brothers and sisters
let's start praying.
we need Pleshkin for relief
(get that name right, kurt what's his name, escape from nyork?)
Snake Plissken
i don't think
there are any consequences to bad umpire grades besides not being selected for the post season.
so why do they bother???
Electronic strike zone
Just a buzzer in the pocket. If it buzzes, call a strike. No buzz, not a strike.
I'm surprised there are night games. They didn't use electricity in 1890! Why now??!! Let's keep the game "traditional".
by One won lost won on Jul 1, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Geren did this wrong
He should have taken Haren out. Why leave Haren in so long? I swear Geren is a dumbass.
Breathe in... breathe out.
Be more positive! :-)
I might argue that someone else is...
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
you could but you would lose
This is why baseball managers are so bad. Danny Haren struggled all afternoon and you're going to leave him in with 93 pitches? But yes I'm the idiot. What was I thinking? Personally I'd rather Danny struggle for 5 innigns and get the win. Lord knows with all his no decisions he's earned it. He's pitched like an ace. The one day he doesn't you overuse him bloating his era and not trusting your pen to finish a job you know Danny can't finish? Please.
We don't have any help right now. Please give
me your rundown of who you would pitch the rest of the game- inning by inning. A struggling Haren is better than anything else we've got right now. Especially when you consider that there are 3 more innings to go.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Danny throws 140 pitches that argument
holds no merit. First off you're saying he doesn't trust the pen which is understandable. But when your starter doesn't go his requisite 7 innings after a briliant start by Gaudin YOU HAVE TO ADJUST. If Bob Geren doesn't have the bullpen to finish the game off that isn't his fault. Now you point the finger back to Billy Beane and David Forst. It's Geren's job to manage the bullpen. It's Beane and Forst's to make sure that Geren has that talent on hand. That argument, while understandable, holds no merit and covers up organizational deficiencies. Braden Castilla Flores Embree Marshall or Lewis is your pen. That isn't Geren's fault again. Unless his handling of the other Pen Members led to their injuries, which would mostly be on the organization and Curt Young at this point, directly I can't fault Geren for everything. This organization has serious holes and no amount of bullshit will ever be able to hide it. As I said you will lose this argument every time.
But you said "Geren is an idiot."
I agree with you on the organization being the problem but that's not what you said.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
What i said WAS
Geren should go to his pen. I gave the reasons why he should have. You said he didn't trust his pen. I said that isn't Geren's problem. That is the organizations. I gave my reasons why. Now you're saying that's not what I said when that is all part of what I said in the first place. It's Geren's fault for not taking out Haren. It's the organization's fault for not having better relievers. There is a difference.
Are you saying that the crappy relievers that BB
is giving him are actually better options then? Who would you pitch in the 7th, 8th & 9th specifically?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saying Killing Danny Haren
IS NOT A GOOD OPTION. How hard is this to understand? What are we talking e=mc2 here? I stated who the pen guys are? I don't know who they should use. Braden Casilla and Embree I guess. None of them pitched yesterday and you should try to win today I suppose. I'm saying that Bob Geren can't manage every game to win by killing Danny Haren to try and stretch him because of crappy relievers. If all Danny can give you is 5 than that's all Danny can give you. The relievers have nothing to do with it. I'm sorry if that is too hard to understand. That may be hard for you to accept but that's the reality of this group. They aren't good enough to win as presently constituted. Killing Danny Haren to accomplish comfort is always the wrong thing to do. IT'S CALLED GIVING A CY YOUNG CALIBER PITCHER AN ARM INJURY.
I don't see how 93 pitches is gonna "kill" him.
I also don't claim to know everything. I was just asking what your strategy was in this situation since you called Geren an idiot. That's all.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And I told you
You don't like it. That's not the same thing. And who said I knew everything? If I knew more about running a baseball franchise I'd throw an entire weight room on top of Billy and run the A's myself.
Would you also take on a soccer franchise
when you already have your hands full?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And it could be worse
I could have my Jason Richardson comment show up 50 times like it did the other night :)
how about a nice double-play ball, Johnny?
Tense moment. Come on Braden.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
What will we do after the 6th?
I wish we had more guys like Casilla right now. Damn we need some bully help.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really. We will need him later in the game.
I hate that we're in this situation but it is what it is until Duke and Street get back.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
kendall told him inside
he went down the middle
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
That's what you get with AA & AAA'ers ;-(
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
it was so clear,
except for geren.
You can't keep runing Casilla, and Embree out for
2 innings each game. Someone else HAS to step up.
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
we don't have that 'someone' right now
0.6 embrees
Can we bring up Andrew Brown?
Or are there some 40 man roster issues?
come on boys...we can get 10 outs before they
score three runs... (i think...)
On the record...
I think this 5-run outing should reflect on Kendall just as much as the shutout did yesterday. The bad with the good, etc.
In my completely biased, unfounded, unsourced opinion, I believe Suzuki would have held the Yankees to 2 runs.
not if the pitchers dont pitch the ones he tells
them to do
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Louis, Louis, Louis ...
You demonstrate your fundamental misunderstanding of the KME. The "M" only ever works to the benefit of the K; and you can't engage in sophomoric reversals of terms just to attribute M to the K of your choice -- M always accrues with veteranness and grittitude.
If Suzuki had started behind the plate today, the Yankees would have undoubtedly scored at least 42 runs off of Haren.
how many innings are in a baseball game????
why go with the "best pitcher/highest leverage"?
I'm not fo any strong opinion one way on the other re letting Haren stay in/bringing in Braden/bringing in Casilla ... but I think there's a decent case to be made for using the "upside-down" best-pitcher-in-the-highest-leverage-situation argument in the bottom of the 6th. Use Casilla to get out of the inning and through the 7th, and then the mopup guys in the 8th/9th.
uh, why *NOT* in the subject line
there is
but the a's coaching staff, like every other major league team, does not believe in that theory.
See, Angel Hernandez?
That's the home plate up double checking on the checkswing.
All in all... I feel pretty good about Braden
getting out of that jam. I was expecting less from him.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
dont tempt those ? gods
im having a senior moment
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 12:19 PM PDT reply actions
The A's need a quick clinic
ADD.
ON.
For criminy's sake!
2,20 era for Haren
marathon news conference with
mariners resigned Grover finally over on FSNwest.
there goes Haren's All-Star start
the 1.xx was all that was holding him up against east coast bias, and Leyland's wins view.
Does Haren have one more start after this one?
by lenscrafters on Jul 1, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw a vote on espn,com and 56% said Beckett
which goes to shows the reality of how ERA is interpreted among the masses.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
no that just shows the reality that
people living on the east coast are the only ones who can stand to watch and vote on East-Coast PN.
A's fans voted for who was the best option at 1B
and 36% said Dan Johnson even though most are not thrilled with him at 1st. It's good to know that A's fans are still making a logical decision more times than not.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Working 9 to 5!
A double for Cust? That's not manly enough. We want homers!
Cust is the real deal. Oh my...
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:26 PM PDT reply actions
I. AM. SPARTA. CUST.
Jacque Cust..."Oh!"
Mai oui
by One won lost won on Jul 1, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The decision to use Piazza as the backup catcher..
I still say he's going to be dealt.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
my son said hes being kept out to be
healthy enought to catch
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
that lowers the acid level in gut.
No one's afraid of Crosby.
by lenscrafters on Jul 1, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
(whistles "who's afraid of the big bad croz?")
That's not true.
I am afraid of Crosby being on our team. Ellis is afraid of Crosby diving into him.
Now, as much as I bash Bobby Crosby
I would love for him to prove me wrong right now.
He got an INSIDE pitch there.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I would rather see Kendall up
... than Crosby at this point. Scary.
crosby
- K whiffing on outside slider
- popout
- dp
- solid base hit.
- walk
- called strike 3
- inside whiff WINNER
Was he actually standing closer to the plate?
If so, it's amazing how quickly a pitcher would change his approach when he's shown no ability to hit the outside pitch.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't had it all year.
Oh yeah, you're in Sac... you don't get to SEE games...
(I think there's a new rule that arm protection can only be used for medical reason, not just so you can lean in as much as you want to.)
Depending on radio reception
it's hard to LISTEN to games when not at the computer. Don't rub it in.
by LawDaddy on Jul 1, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh God no, it's the bald monkey Ronan Tynan...
...again.
Groanan Tyemeup to listen to him
(hasty search for mute button)
by Englishmajor on Jul 1, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
O's making a comeback...
Time for a change of scenery for Crosby
I think there's some talent there...but I've concluded that it will take a whole new set of minds (i.e. those found in another organization) to turn the potential into performance.
Early hit was nice
off-field hit on a decent pitch.
Baldwin. How appropriate...
by Englishmajor on Jul 1, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
After he finishes a show, he flies off...
..with those ears.
Crosby
needs a hitting therapist.
and oh, the scenery he needs right now is the pleasant view of the field from the bench.
Cros needs therapy
to not be afraid of the ball.
Get closer to the plate, damn it!
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yankees announces...
...screwed up Jairo's non-name.
How hard is it to read a press guide?
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions
beane crosby count
What Beane is thinking "damn I am hoping he can get hot so I can trade him for a minor leaguer".
Booooo
Millar pops out, leaves runners on 2nd and 3rd. Krod gets out of it. 4-3 angels heading to the 9th
Meanwhile in Balmer...
Down 4-3 to the Halos in the bottom of the 8th, the Birds had runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out and managed to strand them.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
K-Rod was brought in for a 4-out save.
LAA is undefeated when leading after 8 innings. Un-freaking-believable.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
LAAAAA seems to be this year's team of destiny...
...which means they'll probably lose to Cleveland or Detroit in the Division Series.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We were the team of destiny in '02
They can still be beat!
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 1, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I was being ironic...
...hence my "prediction" about the playoffs.
Come on, I know better than to call a season at the halfway point!
The M's could easily still catch them! ;-)
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If Kendall can HR,
KEN-DOLL HR POWER!!!
Nice hit, Suzuki
Catchers. Hitting. Good combo.
do you guys have to call him by his nickname
opposing team fans and announcers should never call players by their nicknames reserve that for home fans and announcers I don't want to hear that crap. There isn't even a K in the guys name give it a rest, and I don't need to hear about big floppy whining to the umps every time there is a called strike.
Ugh that is my rant.
93 pitches
and a 5 man rotation.
please explain why pitchers are so much more fragile than they were 20 or 30 years ago???
seriously, haren is a guy who would have been just fine throwing 300 innings in a 4 man rotation. 93 pitches will have zero effect on him.
Nico- Is that a sign of "luck" changing or not?
Hell yeah it is!!
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
Those are some mighty fine-lookin' new...
...pieces of gear Scott Proctor's got on.
I am sensing... Cust.
I can feel the Custness from here. Ellis, keep the bat on your shoulder, even if you have to K! We want Cust!
Yes, please Mr. Torre
Please send Scott Proctor back in.
Look who's coming to the plate with the bags...
...full.
How about a new career high in RBI for the second time in a week?
Mora doubles with one out...
I'm sure he was just going for a sac fly!
How about "F-ROD!"
and how can you call the Angels this years team of destiny? We're only half way done and I wouldn't say anything so permanent like this yet.
Can we sign Cust to a long term contract
Now please.
Wow. Payton bunts for a hit
First and Third one out for O's!!
Chavez needs to bat with the bases empty again.
this game has me ultra nervous
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 1, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions
No pressure Chavvy.
We don't need any more runs.
Just keep playing that D, Chavvy.
We don't need any offensive production from you. Your glove is valuable.
Chavy. Clutch.
2 outs. Bases loaded. Chavy comes through. 11-5.
WTF? Game over in Baltimore
O's lose
finally chavez
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 1, 2007 1:04 PM PDT reply actions
Brian Roberts GIDP to end game...
...with runners on 1st and 3rd.
And your final is Halos 4 - O's 3.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
I think it was a flyout, throwout at home DP
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Right you are...
...I was frustrated with Gameday's slow reporting and leapt to the assumption that it was a more standard DP.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG
Chavez actually got a hit at a good time for once! I WONDER IF THIS LEADS TO ERIC CHAVEZ BEING JUSTIFIED AT THE 4TH HOLE NOW.......
time to save casilla
get lewis in with the lead back over a full embree.
vlad throws out the runner at home
shit, LAAAAAAAAA wins
They are so damn lucky.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The season will come down to
all the A's/Angels games left between us.
by LawDaddy on Jul 1, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope not because I don't see either team
dominating because of pitching. We may be able to pick up 2-3 games on them head to head but we have to crush Seattle and Texas to make up serious ground IMO.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Effin Vlad threw out Mora at the plate.
Start spreadin' the news....
they're leaving today!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on my comfort level
my husband and son went to NY to see a
yankee and a's game before stadium wasnt used anymore. they went to yesterdays and todays. what better games wooo hooo
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions
Casilla still in the game?!??!
Cmon Geren.
I agree
bad call put one of the mop ups in. Spins the wheel and.....Ron Flores.
Eric's RBI's came with 2 outs, there were only
4 pitches or so after. They didnt have time to warm anyone up that quickly
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
the bases were loaded for two batters
not to say the A's ever score with the bases loaded and less than two outs but it would be a reasonable enough assumption to at least get someone going
I like the Stoli vodka ad...
...currently behind the plate.
I wonder how many of the Yankees and their fans will be drinking that today.
Why do they call players "All Stars?"
It's the All Star Game, meaning all participants are Stars.
And why do they call it a FOUL pole...
...when balls that hit it are FAIR?
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 1, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Same reason
they call it a 'near-miss' when it was actually a 'near-hit'.
by LawDaddy on Jul 1, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's because the white sox
use BLACK socks
wasnt here yesterday i saw first of game and then
went to see michael moores movie sicko
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
because they don't make planes
with the same material they use to make the planes' indestructible black boxes
(scratches head and contemplates)
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
KenKo: "Wasn't Haren's best game"
In fact it is his worst game.
But the A's still looking strong. Way to pick up your ace boys.
Barring a Crosby HR, this streak will continue...
His last RBI was in the 7th inning on June 17 vs. the Cardinals (2 weeks ago today).
He has had no RBIs in his last...
--12 games, counting today (1 DNP in Cleveland, the game the A's won there)
--49 official at-bats
--51 plate appearances
I am not defending Crosby, but Swish has 10 rbi
in the month of May, Crosby has 8.
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
4 pitches and a pitching change, plus
time between innings
Crosby should not play anymore. Where's Scoot?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions
brilliant
using enbree too.
does anyone want to buy 2 tickets to tomorrow nights game vs. Toronto????
119/23/aisle
Bad A's contracts
Kotsay in the second year of a three-year deal. Ouch. He is strictly bench material.
Loaiza in the second year fo a three-year deal. Would the Yankees take him off the A's hands? Or any team that needs pitching? Please?
Thank god Kendall is done after 2007.
Bad contract is Zito, all 3 of those players are
being paid like average major leaugers at prime positions. They may not be putting up stellar numbers, but the contracts aren't that bad.
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Roster spots
by McP on Jul 1, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Geren loooking like Macha today
Not smiling? Quiet? Monotone cliches?
by LawDaddy on Jul 1, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
casilla went out to mound when he wasnt supposed
lol they asked is this a pitching change?
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
Geren doesnt get it
He's more concerned about winning just today than tomorrow and 3 days from now too. He screws this team every time he puts the pseudo closer in the 9th inning with a 6 run lead. I swear this is stupid. It makes no sense. GEREN IS A FRIGGIN IDIOT!
[Subpoenas Macha, then fires him]
by LawDaddy on Jul 1, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, Ken, you have said Geren is an idiot the
whole game who would you like to manage this team, you.
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Moore
the HMO's would ruin the game.
by LawDaddy on Jul 1, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The HMO's are responsible for the Bradley trade.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but it is Eric, the Macha the A's drafted
who didn't make it past A ball.
by theblackpearl on Jul 1, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you need a hug? You really seem to love
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
S/He doesn this all the time at the Kings' site.
Nothing new.
I just feel sorry for anyone looking to pick
a fight on a blog. Doesn't make much sense to me.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
First off
I dont pick fights on the blog. I write diaries that apparently you don't agree with. Secondly stating an opinion isn't starting a fight. Just because it isn't popular doesn't mean I'm picking a fight. I said BEFORE THE BOTTOM OF THE 6TH Haren should have done that. It's not like I changed my opinion after 2 guys got on or anything. Jesus don't you understand what criticism is? I'm sorry you don't agree (not that i give a shit about that) but that's your problem not mine.
Do you mean "Geren should have done that"?
My point is that Geren is not an idiot. I don't think there is any need to say it once then capitalize it later- "GEREN IS A FRIGGIN IDIOT!" -because he's done a pretty good job so far and has had little to work with. Blame the front office for personnel issues but how do you blame the manager for trying to cover up those deficiencies when he is trying to win a ball game? Every day that he dodges a bullet it gives us a better chance to make the playoffs when we should have been out of it long ago. I sure am glad he is our manager.
I enjoy hearing everyone's opinion but your tone certainly is questionable. I think there are better ways to skin a cat than using ALL CAPS as if I'm a child and don't understand. I get what you are saying but please use better judgment when delivering your analysis. People are respectful to each other on AN and I think you are pushing that line a bit.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Bob Geren IS NOT
a worthwhile manager yet. Sure he hasn't had much to work with but that is like saying Ken Macha did a good job managing WHEN he didnt. If you don't like that that's fine. It's a matter of opinion. I'm stating my opinion, and apparently too brusque for you, in a way you don't appreciate. That's fine too except there's one thing. I never said it to anybody in particular. If you choose to say my points are incorrect that's fine but you have yet to really say much of anything other than blah blah and let it go. You mostly attack my usage of words than address the actual point. You're very effective being a snob but very short on baseball knowledge. Good Day.
Baseball "knowledge?"
Funny... I haven't read anything from you that shows that you are knowledgable on the subject either. I pointed out that I would have used Haren at 93 pitches rather than use a AAA pitcher with less talent. Haren on a horrible day is still better than Braden, Flores or Marshall on normal occassions. You said that Geren was going to "kill" Haren at 93 pitches but that simply isn't true. Geren takes an average of the pitch counts over 3 outings and he was not risking Haren's arm in any way. You are misinformed if you believe that he was going to "kill" him or his arm.
Minimizing the use of crappy pitchers in the bullpen is also an intelligent move by Geren. He is responsible for wins/losses regardless of what the front office provides. Would he be fired if this team misses the playoffs? Of course not but he has probably "overachieved" by a wide, wide margin so far this year with the misfits that he has been given.
You said that Embree should and shouldn't have been used yesterday. Which is it?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 2, 2007 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Haren's last 9 outings averaged to 108, 113, 106
pitches per 3-game blocks. What looks out of place about yesterday's outing since he topped out at 101 pitches representing the lowest pitch count over his last 3 starts?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 2, 2007 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You play to win the game you're actually in...
...at that moment.
If you hold someone out because you're waiting for a closer game, who's to say when the next time he'll pitch is?
If you only have 1 reliever
to use because he can keep down the lead you wouldn't be 3 games over 500.
If you had relievers that weren't injured...
...you wouldn't be just 3 games over .500, either.
It wasn't about using Embree because he's the only one who can keep the lead. It was about using him because the last time he pitched was on the 26th and you don't let closers go too long between outings.
If you hold him out today figuring they might need him tomorrow, then they don't need him tomorrow, then that's another day or two without pitching.
Do you get that, or do you make the same complaint tomorrow night if Geren uses him in a non-save situation?
That's fine
But today is the 1st. Embree had been used a ton. I get there is a 3 day all star break coming up too which the A's ,and the pen, badly need. That being said that's fine I understand that. But if Embree can't close a game after 6 days off then there is something wrong too. That was the same point about Huston Street used in years past then ken macha would use him for 2 inning stretches when it was obvious Huston was not that kind of pitcher. I'm not worried about Embree in that respect because he's 37 years old. That being said your point of a fine line is understandable. But at what point does that fine line become overuse when it's clear that Street Duke Calero have suffered similar fates?
I totally disagree
you have got to get Embree his confidence back and this is the perfect situation to do it in.
agreed, i'd rather see him pitch like this with
a six-run lead than in a close 2-1 game too.
perfect situation
to try to do it, but so far this is not a confidence builder.
Okay
3-7 on the trip sucks, but 2 of 3 in Yankee...
...Stadium is always good.
3-7 ends up being okay after the way it started.
Let's get home and kick some ASS!
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
nice finish
to the game and the trip.
optimism returns.
A's wn!!
Haren get his W in a bad day.
LET'S GO OAKLAND!!
C U 2MORROW GUYS. NICE RESET OF THE DAY.
go to bed again
:-D
Laundry? Sweep the floor? Paint the fence?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
ME TOO
didnt get ready before game started and then didnt want to quit watching game until it was over
by smasfan on Jul 1, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i like how our Ace's ERA has been
climbing since may and its still 2.20
I like that there were 54,266 Yankee fans
that are pissed off about a 200+ mil payroll losing to our modest 80 mil. Awesome.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
4-2 series victory
this series is the proof that money can't buy you victories.
by greenandgoldpolarbear on Jul 1, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
Naw. He beat him because he wrote the movie.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Always trying to be self-congratulatory
Everyone knows that Russian boxers are better.
Team depends on not doing dumb deals
Like the ones for the Crotsay Sisters. And to tell you how much of a "non-entity" Noaiza, he has fallen totally off the bad deal list. A separate list reserved for the worst deals in organizational history.
Billy is not infallible - we all know that. But where he succeeds and looks comparatively like a "genius" (vs. other sheep GMs) is in the problem-fixing space, even if the problems were entirely of his own making. The Bradley move was genius. Stewart is better and cheaper. Period. The tired act - Bradley's game of woosing-out and getting excessive rest for marginal injuries - was old last year. Totally unacceptable this year and frankly, totally unacceptable at the MLB level.
But Billy has failed with the Crotsay Sisters and Loaiza. This team needs (no, absolutely depends on) buying assets the market undervalues with resources obtained when selling assets the market overvalues. The Crotsay Sister/Noaiza disasters require another genius work-out move (a la Rhodes for Kendall). Let's see if Billy really has the balls to move these three losers and their albatrossian contracts. For some reason, I am really doubting him on this.
by Sashulia on Jul 1, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
lol @ Crotsay Sisters
never heard that one before.
FYI- Gameday audio is free until July 14th.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 1, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
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