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Link Dump 2/16: Foulke retires

Keith Foulke, brought in by the Indians to compete for the closer's job, has reportedly decided to retire before the season.

Rosenthal:

Foulke, who signed a $5 million free-agent contract this off-season, experienced physical discomfort and questiined his desire to continue playing, according to a source.

Foulke, of course, will go down in history as the closer who helped kill off Boston's silly little "curse" and deliver a long-awaited World Series title to Beantown.  We'll remember him as someone different.

Before Kenny Williams won a World Series and became the hottest GM on the block, his reputation was, well, not so hot.  One of the trades for which he took a lot of guff was the trade that brought Foulke to the Green and Gold.  Foulke had fallen out of favor and lost his job as closer in Chicago after a rough beginning to the season.

But despite having gone 0-4 with a 5.26 ERA, his peripherals were strong: 7.0 K/9, 1.8 BB/9.  The fluky-high home run rate of 1.4 HR/9 was a key culprit.  Demoted to setup man, he finished the rest of the year with a 1.73 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 1.4 BB/9, and a very good .52 HR/9 line.  After Billy Koch's meltdown in the 2002 playoffs, Beane dispatched him and Neal Cotts to Chicago for Foulke, Mark Johnson, and Joe Valentine.  Valentine didn't do much for the A's and Johnson's most notable acheivement as an A was picking off Jason Giambi in the fourth inning of this game.  Cotts became a very good lefty out of the bullpen, at least in 2005, and Koch imploded in Chicago.

Keith Foulke was awesome.  Despite a penchant for blowing saves which would have netted a win for Tim Hudson, Foulke was awesome for the A's, hurling 86.2 innings, striking out 88, and walking only 20. He had a 2.08 ERA and was the A's first dependable closer since...Eck, maybe?  He inspired a lot more confidence than Isringhausen and Koch, that's for sure.  His fastball topped out at, what, 89 mph?  But his changeup was killer, and he fooled a ton of batters with it.

But we were about to pay the price for believing in Foulke.  In game 4 of the thrilling 2003 ALDS, Hudson left the game early with a case of barfightingitis, Sparks valiantly held the Sox down and got the ball to Rincon, who handed it over to Foulke.  It was the eighth inning and the A's were clinging toa 4-3 lead with a chance to put the Red Sox away and advance to the ALCS.  With Garciaparra and Ramirez on base and two down, all Foulke had to do was retire David Ortiz before he had become Big Papi.  But it ws not to be, as Ortiz doubled to bring in the two runners, give the Sox the lead, and the rest was history.

Foulke was good enough that Beane actually made a competetive offer to him before he left as a free agent. Unfortunately for us, he signed with the dreaded Red Sox, a traitorous gambit unrivalled in the history of baseball since Giambi signed with the Yankees before 2002.  The backup plan to Keith Foulke was Tom Gordon, a reliable set up man who had previous closing experience.  But Foulke dilly-dallied too long, and by the time he decided to sign with Boston, Gordon had gone to New York.  The backup to the backup plan was Arthur Rhodes, making - in my irrational mind - Foulke solely responsible for this game, the last I saw in the Coliseum before moving away to - of all places - Boston, where I had to hear about how he was the world's greatest closer during their championship run in 2004.  The worst part was having to hear how the Red Sox "discovered" him, as if saving over 40 games with the A's hadn't put him on the map.

So enjoy your retirement, Keith Foulke.  May Arthur Rhodes haunt you nightly.

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Eeesh
I was at that Yankees game too.  Awful, awful, awful!
"[Frank's] a big battler. He's the mother of battleships."

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Feb 16, 2007 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

Aww...
Love for the white shoes
I see Kirk Saarloos and figure that'll be an easy story, so that's what I do.

Talk to Kirk and he said he was very excited about the trade, the opportunity and everything, but there were two things he was really looking forward to -- hitting and not wearing white shoes.

While talking to Aaron Harang, I brought up Kirk's comment, and he laughed but said he actually liked the A's white shoes. I myself am not much of a fan. But Aaron liked them.
...
Then I talked to Hatteberg -- who is a stylish kinda guy, I might add -- and he said he didn't like the looks of the white shoes, but says the white shoes make players look faster. So, if it's between the looks and at the very least the apperance of looking a step quicker, Hatteberg said he'd take the white shoes because he needs all the help he can get.

"My conclusion is that sportswriters just fucking love food." - Fire Joe Morgan

by JLaff on Feb 16, 2007 7:38 AM PST reply actions  

Dad!
Awesome.  I hope Hatte comes back to the A's when he retires...if he ever retires!!! <eerie music>
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Feb 16, 2007 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

<sobs>
"I almost landed in some lady's lap, which was kinda fun.'' -- Swish

by Sharon on Feb 16, 2007 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Hatte was handing out dvds
at Fan Fest 2002 at the Paramount theater.  We were the first to leave so we got a little extra time with him at the door.  He was stylin' spiky hair and a $200 shirt.  I called out to him "Scott" and he looked at me like he knew me.  I played along and talked to him about WA state for a while.  He's got a great personality and obviously has some brain cells.  He'd make a great bench coach for the org.
"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Feb 16, 2007 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

(by the journalist... not so much the players)
"My conclusion is that sportswriters just fucking love food." - Fire Joe Morgan

by JLaff on Feb 16, 2007 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the white cleats
I'm not sure why guys joke about that when they leave, the cleats are usually 60/40 white/green. They look great in my opinion.
"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Feb 16, 2007 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I wear white shoes in my softball league games.
They really do make you look faster.

Without them, I look like I'm going backwards.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Kirk is the man...
Yet another who can't wait to not wear the horrid white shoes.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 16, 2007 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't be dissing our history, yo.
Next you'll be suggesting we change the colors on our shirts to purple and green.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Breaking down the season...
Three most outrageous contracts
1. Giants throw $126 million, over seven years, at Barry Zito -- even though (we hate to break it to them) since his Cy Young season, he owns fewer wins than Jeff Suppan and a worse strikeout ratio than Casey Fossum.

link:http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2763402

"Will you go out with me? Oh yeah, your just what I've been waiting for my whole life--a slut and a gold digger."--Salvatore

by osuSwisher on Feb 16, 2007 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

It's Friday, and you know what that means?
Someone else is claiming to be the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby. That brings the total right now to four potential fathers.
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 8:34 AM PST reply actions  

On the Radio
I heard that there's a website posting odds and taking bets on who the father is.
"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

You know, it's conceivable that they're all...
...the kid's father.

We're talking Anna Nicole Smith here. It's not like a five-way was out of her wheelhouse.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes,
I'm sure the 5-way was actually in her wheel house.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Feb 16, 2007 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically it is Five
There is the theory that she used "frozen pop" from her 89 year old dead husband.

I am kinda hoping that is true. It will be a giant "HAHA!" in the face of all these money grubbing pigs all trying to claim a baby as their own so they can take her money!

It kinda makes me sick. Does anyone even CARE about this poor little girl who just lost her mother? NO!

"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that's the case for all of them...
There are plenty of people concerned about the girl. Read the article, it sounds like you're just assuming.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I did read the article
And yes, I am assuming. I don't know any of these people personally, so I can't say for fact what they feel, but I do know what I see in the Staged Reunion of Stern and Dannielynn.

The only person I believe actually cares about this kid is Birkhead. He was in the mix long before the death and stated many times that he didn't care about Anna or Stern, he just wanted his daughter.

All these men coming out of the woodwork now just want money. By being the father of potentially one of the wealthiest babies in the world, they will have their hands in all that money too. And they can hand the kid off to nannies and never have to see her. I think it is sad.

And what is worse is when she gets older and someone has to explain all this drama to her. I feel terrible for this little girl.

"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Money's not everything ...
but she'll have a lot of it to pay for the best shrinks, which she'll need ...

by devo on Feb 16, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

This has the potential
to be the greatest episode of Maury ever.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Feb 17, 2007 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh
Someone sent me  that terrible music video where Richard Marx hits a homerun off of Eckersley to win the championship for the Cubs.  There is waaay to much Richard Marx on youtube.
death to myspace!

by malikot on Feb 16, 2007 8:59 AM PST reply actions  

Cut the guy some slack.
He had to go through life with the name Dick Marx.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Could have been worse ...
could have been Skid.
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Feb 16, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

His nickname in high school was Stretch.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes no sense.
Is that Yankee Stadium?  How did the Cubs make it to the World Series?  Was that Greg Maddux?  How did they pay Rickey enough to appear?  How was that hairstyle ever popular?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Feb 16, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

you don't get it either?
I thought his music (and his hair) sucked back then, yet somehow he paid licensing fees, etc.  I'm not sure which stadium the "game footage" was shot in, but the band is playing in the Coliseum back in the days of orange seats and before Mt. Davis.

I'm still trying to figure out why we had Hemond catching instead of Steinbach.

death to myspace!

by malikot on Feb 16, 2007 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

looks like at least 2-3 different ballparks
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2007 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Phoenix Muni is used there as well
Oh yeah, uh...I was at the flower shop too. Yep. Getting drunk at the ol' flower shop. - Homer Simpson

by DCinWC on Feb 17, 2007 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

A's pitchers & catchers
report to spring training TODAY!!!!!

by gotgreen on Feb 16, 2007 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYY!!!!!!!!!
<happy dance>
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

In 44 Minutes
From .... NOW!!

YAY!!

"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

A's minor league
system one of the topics of discussion is on the A's minor league system. MLB radio, here is the link:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/radio/index.jsp

"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Feb 16, 2007 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

more info
at 9am PST

description:
"Jonathan Mayo and Lisa Winston take a look at the A's farm system with director of player development Keith Lieppman and the Mets with Triple-A New Orleans Zephyrs manager Ken Oberkfell."  

"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Feb 16, 2007 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks for the heads up.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Billy Owens On Right Now
  • Barton drawing raves in D.R. about his patience
  • Buck being counted on to do big things  
  • Dallas Braden looking good in Puerto Rico.  Screwball used as his changeup.
  • Italiano should be back mid-season 2007

by Colorado Fan on Feb 16, 2007 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Billy Owens is like E.F. Hutton
When he talks, I listen.  I'm really bummed that I missed this one.  Thanks for the info C-Fan.  Anything else that he said?
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Feb 16, 2007 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Sulentic
Owens was really high on Sulentic. I think they archive the show from Monday. The A's talk starts :30 minutes into the show.
They didn't talk about any of our SP below AAA though.
"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Feb 16, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Other Items
  • Marcus McBeth has a great change-up, and has been hitting 93-94 MPH
  • Javi Herrera is ready to go this season.  Expecting big things.  Similar to a Magglio Ordonez, who can play CF.
  • A's Texas Scout getting props for finding Sulentic.  Owens sounded really excited about him.
  • Richie Robnett looks like a monster (my words).  Huge Power.  In the Arizona Fall League, every out was a LOUD OUT.  He needs to cut down on his strikeouts.  Young baseball mind.  Still learning the game.

by Colorado Fan on Feb 16, 2007 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Sulentic
I got to see Sulentic in Low A ball a lot last season (short season Northwest League).  I really, really liked what I saw there.  But the kid hasn't even proven that he can hit the better pitching at higher levels.  So while I'm hopeful, I'm trying to keep a damper on my optimism.

by LoveDemAs on Feb 16, 2007 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Awful baserunner, awful fielder.
They're considering converting him to second base, or so I'm told.

But holy shit, can the kid hit.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

shane komine interview
OC: What did you learn from your two starts at the major league level last season? Was there anything that you took back with you when you returned to Sacramento?

SK: I think that I tried to be a little too fine last year [in the major leagues]. I tried to hit the corners too much instead of just going after the hitters like I was in my eight starts before that in Triple-A. I really learned from that experience, just being up there. It's the same game, just with bigger crowds, and execute and compete and that is what I am going to do this year.

link

by gotgreen on Feb 16, 2007 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

lol
a rookie, but uses cliches like an old pro.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

But he still knows his place...
The rook is still valeting cars! Can you imagine a big leaguer valeting your car???

by Gene Nelsons Mullet on Feb 16, 2007 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I Think...
He should take it one day game at a time and not play outside of himself.
Oh yeah, uh...I was at the flower shop too. Yep. Getting drunk at the ol' flower shop. - Homer Simpson

by DCinWC on Feb 17, 2007 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Barry Bonds is a nice guy.
So says Joe Posnanski:
Getting mistreated by Barry Bonds is more than an annoyance. It's a sportswriter rite of passage. It's one of those things sportswriters brag about over dinner. Everybody tries to top the other with a good Barry story.

I'm always quiet at those sessions. Here's my problem: Barry Bonds has always been nice to me.

(Hat tip: BTF)

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Feb 16, 2007 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

This DLD is a test
to see if Ray Fosse reads AN.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

I know he does, because...
I am Ray Fosse.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Kendall Sucks
<waits for reply>
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

</test>
"i was not told that this blog would involve math."

by Jennifer on Feb 16, 2007 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Too soon
he was busy eating his Saag sausage.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that a euphemism?
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

that's the wrong question
The question is, to whom does "his" actually refer?
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll ask the questions...
and you'd better answer them. We can do this the easy-a-way, or the hard-a-way.  
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a test..
...to see if Ray Finkle reads AN.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Christ, what an asshole.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I still hate Gwen Knapp
Uh-huh. Yeah, like I really want to read Gwen "I won't ride Muni because of all the Chinese and indigents" Knapp jump on the let's-hector-Tim Hardaway bandwagon.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

The Bible says
"literally" that you can't have a gun under your seat?

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Hardaway seems
very afraid of having a gun under his seat.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

damn ellipses!
I lost crucial second typing those.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

a minute and a half for six periods?
your skills are weak, old monkey.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

How would you know?
When was the last time you had six periods at once?
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

douché!
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm still faster than hockey
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Hardaway just doesn't want ...
... anyone else putting their gun under his seat.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Pshaw!
Heston 3:14 says that you most certainly can.
Kettlecorn! Swishercorn!

by TurnTwo on Feb 16, 2007 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

wrong chapter and verse
I think that's Heston 30:06.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

3006?
Is that the year the monkeys take over?

Damn dirty ape.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

thank you!
I thought for sure Jennifer would be the first to weigh in with the correct pronunciation.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The Myth of Protection?
For all you spork-heads, today's Wall Street Journal (free link!) talks about a soon-to-be released book that uses statistical techniques to debunk some baseball truisms, such as the value of having Manny hit behind Ortiz.
A weak on-deck hitter makes a batter more likely to get an extra-base hit. A strong on-deck hitter lowers the chance that the batter before him will walk, and also lowers his chance of hitting for average and power.

I've  wondered if it would make more sense for a team to spread its best hitters through the lineup, and not clump them up. In that way, the team would avoid black holes at the bottom of the lineup.

The book is "The Baseball Economist: The Real Game Exposed," by Professor J.C. Bradbury of Kennesaw State University in Georgia.

"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

I've wondered how they get the fruit to float...
in mid-jello.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

The Myth of Viscosity?
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's how.
The outside of the Jello solidifies first, which forces foreign objects towards the middle.

Same thing happens with ice.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't give me scientific voodoo...
The jello fairies come out when you're sleeping and put the fruit in the middle.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

the Catholic Church believes that ...
... high-OPS on-deck hitters are immoral and actually kill team scoring.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh...
A good on-deck hitter supposedly keeps a pitcher from pitching around a strong batter; a weak one makes a pitcher more willing to walk the slugger.

Prof. Bradbury shows otherwise. If the on-deck hitter is a threat (think Boston clean-up hitter Manny Ramirez), then putting the slugger (David Ortiz) on base carries a steeper price: Manny has a good chance of driving in Ortiz. The three-spot hitter may therefore get fewer walks if there's a strong clean-up batter, and the strikes he sees may be even harder to hit because the pitcher reaches back for extra speed or movement to keep him from reaching base and therefore setting up an RBI. A pitcher might let Ortiz reach base if a .150 hitter waited on deck, but ratchet up his effort if he sees Manny there.

Speculation is fine, but Prof. Bradbury prefers multiple regression analysis. Using this technique, he and a colleague found that a weak on-deck hitter makes a batter more likely to get an extra-base hit. A strong on-deck hitter lowers the chance that the batter before him will walk, and also lowers his chance of hitting for average and power. "Protection," Prof. Bradbury concludes, "is a myth."


Digest version: A good on-deck hitter prevents pitchers from pitching around the hitter. But that's a myth! Actually, a good on-deck hitter prevents pitchers from pitching around the hitter.

There is a lot of other dumb stuff in that article.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

so the perfect lineup
is one where you alternate between Antonio Perez and Albert Pujols?

thanks, I'll take 9 Alberts.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure
But you'll never have 9 Alberts.
I'm not convinced yet this argument is nonsense. But I'm too busy (aka lazy) to think this through right now.
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Analyzing
wins vs. city population? It is doing stupid shit like that that keeps you at Kennesaw St.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

indeed
Though, to be fair, it's also a pretty pathetic column -- hard to tell whether some of the gross assumptions and head-scratching conclusions belong to the prof or the journo.

The whole thing reeks of "Assume a can opener!"

Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes,
the column is undoubtedly worse than the book.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Or is it?
Mean regression analysis tells us that, though it seems worse than the book, writing a piss poor column actually makes the book worse.

Thus, this being a poor column is, in actuality, a myth. It's awesome n'shit.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't believe
we are attacking some quack mathematicians research results that challenge our preconceived notions of best practice.  :)  sort if ironic

Anyway, some of the stuff this prof says makes me scratch my head.

"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Feb 16, 2007 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

interesting and flawed
like much of the WSJ, the arguments in that article become more confusing as you examine them. Two quick examples.
So is the popular explanation for why there are no left-handed catchers, namely, that a lefty would have a tougher time throwing out runners at third than a righty does. Prof. Bradbury analyzed data from tens of thousands of game situations to count how often various on-base/out configurations led to a run. The difference in runs scored with a man on second rather than third -- a measure of how important it is to throw out a runner trying to steal third -- is a puny 0.4 per game.

Taken on face value, 0.4 runs per game is not "puny".  The A's outscored opponents in 06 by 771-727, an average of 0.27 runs per game. Giving up a free 0.4 runs per game would have probably made the A's an under-.500 team rather than a playoff team.

(I put aside the issue of the utter confusion in trying to sort out the specific claim.)  

Even that overstates the case, because runners on second don't steal every time third is open. That happens only 13.7% of the time.

Sloppy. That is the stealing rate against the average catcher. If you have a catcher that you are convinced is a lot worse at catching runners, then you are going to run more against them.  Let's be generous and say people will steal 40% of the time against a lefty catcher. Then the effect is only 40% of what it should be. That makes (using their dubious figures) .16 runs per game = 26 runs per season.  The difference between a 771-727 differential (our 2006 A's) and 771-753 run differential is estimated at (plugs into James' Pythagorean formula) about 2.5 games in the standings.  All so you could insist on having a lefty catcher.

Protecting against the steal is therefore not a convincing reason to have only right-handed catchers; stealing third is rare, and even when it succeeds the gain is small.

Maybe, but not by these arguments.

by Apricot on Feb 16, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I read the 13.7%
as meaning runners on second attempt to steal third 13.7% of the time. Can that possibly be true? That strikes me as extremely high. I think it must count WPs and PBs.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Methinks the prof has read too much Freakonomics.
And wanted to do a baseball version.

But wasn't equipped with the means.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Is today the 16th?
Because Yahoo Sports tells me that Fantasy Baseball starts on February 16th. It's the 16th. No fantasy baseball yet. I'm sure I can't be the only person hitting "refresh" every five minutes to see if it's up yet. Come on Yahoo, give me something to do today besides work!!!  
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

YAY!!!!!!!!
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you
Or anyone else starting an AN Fantasy League? Count me in!
"My conclusion is that sportswriters just fucking love food." - Fire Joe Morgan

by JLaff on Feb 16, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

sure!
I'm setting one up now....
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, here's one....
League ID#:     10071
League Name:     Athletics Nation
Password:     BlezRules

(http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1)

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

cooool.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Feb 16, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yay
I'm in
"My conclusion is that sportswriters just fucking love food." - Fire Joe Morgan

by JLaff on Feb 16, 2007 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Ditto.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Feb 16, 2007 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

yuck on the rankings...
now I have to redo the draft order again.
"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Feb 16, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

<sob>
"i was not told that this blog would involve math."

by Jennifer on Feb 16, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

"Remember
your future is in your hand."

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/182467

"San Jose A's of Fremont" is a sad sign of the times

by ArakSOT on Feb 16, 2007 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

amusing
surely they could have come up with a better phrasing, like "do you have the balls to make the right choice?"

And maybe you, T-butt, should have thought twice about consequences yourself. * cough * Tosca * cough *

by Apricot on Feb 16, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree on the phrasing
I think I'd have mine say "Were you just in the water?"
"San Jose A's of Fremont" is a sad sign of the times

by ArakSOT on Feb 16, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Um...
"Three of its cakes have been swiped already. Ortiz figures he'll see them next on eBay."

Ew.

"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeff is great
I don't have anything else to say right now, so I'll point you to the best news of the week:

The Angels and FSN West took a serious bite out of Steve Physioc's and Rex Hudler's air time, announcing Wednesday that a second broadcast team of Jose Mota and former big-league pitcher Mark Gubicza will work 50 of the team's 150 telecasts on FSN West and Channel 13.

Physioc and Hudler will return for their eighth season but will work 100 games, down from 150 games last season.

If what the principal in Billy Madison said is true, and people can really get dumber for having heard other stupid people talk, then Hudler and Physioc could go a long way towards explaining why it was only Angel fans who took offense to the trash-talking post from a few days ago that, to me, was pretty clearly a long-winded insult of the Mariners. Nevermind the potential implications of this story for MLB.tv subscribers; the fact that Mota and Gubicza couldn't possibly be as godawful as the Wonder Twins gives us all hope that the next generation of Angel fans might be 33% less feeblemindedly hypersensitive than the current breed. The risk/reward of this broadcast switch is phenomenal, for everyone.

Also, click on the link for a fun picture.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

that is
the best news i hav heard all week! hopefully all of the a's/angels games fall into those 50.

by sypher1504 on Feb 16, 2007 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

first ST pix of 2007!

the star of a gay porn, kaz tadano!

reporters meeting with bob geren.

pix from yahoo!

by gotgreen on Feb 16, 2007 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

*edit
actually, i don't know if kaz was the STAR in the movie.

by gotgreen on Feb 16, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

So...
what's with all the cell phones? Does Bob make the reporters put their phones on his desk or what?
http://chicksdigmoneyball.blogspot.com

by Kelly on Feb 16, 2007 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

tape recorders
journalists like to record stuff.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2007 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah
For press conferences, we all just put our recorders on the speaker's table to make sure we get everything clearly.
"My conclusion is that sportswriters just fucking love food." - Fire Joe Morgan

by JLaff on Feb 16, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah...
that makes a lot more sense. I feel silly now. :)
http://chicksdigmoneyball.blogspot.com

by Kelly on Feb 16, 2007 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Pecking order in action...
Slusser and Urban sit, less tenored folk stand behind.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

At least Geren got to sit too
I thought someone would've thrown his chair.....
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2007 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I would think
Slusser would be more of an alto.
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Feb 16, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I expect better of you...
than to pick the low hanging fruit puns like that. That's my job.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Feb 16, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Aieee! HTML help please
Working on a piece for next week, I've been unable to figure out how to center text.  <center></center> doesn't work, nor does div align=center, nor does <h1 align=center></h1&gt.  Any suggestions?  Much obliged.

Also, are there some tags which work in diaries but not in comments?

"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 16, 2007 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

Try
<div style="text-align:center">
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Feb 16, 2007 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoo hoo!
As I've always said:
andeux rocks

Thanks!

"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 16, 2007 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

use the space bar
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2007 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I tried that
but I got too drunk to remember what the space barflies suggested.  Maybe centering is a product of that which does not center.
"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 16, 2007 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

you working on a new delivery, too?
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

haha!
it this really brandon buckley??

it sure looks like him! i've never seen this pic before!

i found the pic on a brandon buckley fan club yahoo group page! (link)

by gotgreen on Feb 16, 2007 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

How is JLaff's one-day-old
DLD ranked higher than my current DLD?  Injustice!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Feb 16, 2007 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

it's either
all that talk about that show in white text, hanging on to bitterness over Huddy's bar brawl, or pooping in Barry's chair.
death to myspace!

by malikot on Feb 16, 2007 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

immigrant baseball players are stealing our jobs
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=749&Itemid=41
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2007 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

uh-huh
Incoherence as a guiding career principle.
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

OT: Grey's Anatomy
There are still tears in my eyes from last night's episode.  

I'm not a Meredith fan, but I hope she doesn't die!  I don't think I cared about her before the episode, but after watching it, I really really hope she makes it!  By the time the ep ended, I was screaming at the tv saying that she can't die.  :(
And I'm not really a Derek/Mer fan either, but watching Derek like that was so terribly sad.  </Shivers>

And Denny... what a CREEP!

Can't wait for next week's episode.  I can't remember a time when I've been this anxious for a tv show.  LOL.

by AsGirl on Feb 16, 2007 3:30 PM PST reply actions  

Ok, SERIOUSLY!!
First off, she won't die. The show is called Grey's Anatomy! If she died, so would the show. Second off, you really think Denny is creepy, or just when you saw him it was creepy? I TOTALLY got chills when he was standing there!

I totally sobbed when McSteamy sat down next to McDreamy! I couldn't even stand it!

I can't wait until next week! I may POP!! I freaking love this show!!

"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

From Phoenix
There's a new Number 15 in town.

 I  feel uneasy when players change their numbers. Look what happened to DJ.

"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder...
...if the powers-that-be are preparing for a double 35/24 number retirement this season!

by PositionPlayerProd on Feb 16, 2007 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're on to something
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Feb 16, 2007 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

DJ
It wasn't the number change, it was the sunscreen. Or so they say.
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Feb 16, 2007 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Another casualty of thriftiness
On the last day of last spring, Johnson was spraying on sunscreen when a big stream suddenly shot out and hit him in the right eye. Repeated eye-washings didn't help much; Johnson has since learned that there are warnings on the back of the can to call poison control in the event that the product gets in the user's eyes, but the A's purchase the sunscreen in bulk and the warning labels are not on the bulk cannisters.
"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 16, 2007 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only that
The A's buy the sunscreen from the same company that made Costanza's wedding invitations.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Feb 17, 2007 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Question about MLB.tv
Ok, so for March, do black out restrictions apply? I mean they are in freaking Arizona! I don't live there, therefore, I think I should be allowed to watch the games. Someone help me out here. I want to buy it just for March, but I don't know!

"March: Watch over 150 Spring Training games LIVE
April - September: Watch and listen to every regular season Out-of-market game LIVE"

So does this mean in March I can actually watch??

Of course I can't seem to find a PHONE NUMBER so I can call a human and ask, but whatever.

"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

Believe me, you do NOT want
to talk their human beings.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Feb 16, 2007 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I discovered that
When I asked about Spring Training being blacked out, he was like, well if you are in the Giants territory you can't watch their games. I was like, ok first of all, I wouldn't want to watch THEM, I want to watch the A's. And I am only worried about Spring Training. And he says, Oh well are Spring Training games blacked out? UH, HELLO!! Is this thing on?!? That is what I am asking YOU! <bangs head on table>
"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

But did Derek Jeter answer the phone?
I got tired of my last signature. Quick, somebody inspire me.

by Poppy on Feb 16, 2007 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Just Kidding
I found a phone number... <blushes>

I called and they said that Black outs don't apply but there is limited coverage on games. Every game that is filmed will be available, but the games may not be filmed.

Hmmm... Do the Yankees and Red Sox play a total of 150 games?

So, opinions, should I get it, even if only for Spring Training?

"We don't rebuild in Oakland, man," Swisher cackles. "We re-load." Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 16, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You won't see the A's much
As you correctly suspect, a few teams account for the vast majority of the spring training games that are televised.  I count 16 Mets games and 17 Yankees games, so there are 33 of your 150 right there.  Among the Cactus League teams, the Cubs and White Sox have the most telecasts (Cubs 14 but none vs. the A's, White Sox 12 but none vs. the A's).

Most teams have just a few games televised, especially late in spring training, basically to serve as infomercials to help sell tickets back home.  A real quick check shows three A's games that will be televised:  the 21st vs. K.C., the 24th vs. Texas and the 25th vs. Seattle.

Enjoy the games Ken, Vince and Ray do on the radio.  Spend your money elsewhere.

by cynthia2003 on Feb 16, 2007 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

When players want to change their number,
they go to Barry Zito for his stamp of approval.
He said he's always liked No. 15, but he didn't want to ask for it when he first got to Oakland because it's the number Hudson had worn the year before.

"It was too soon," Haren said. "But now I think it's OK. It's a good association now."

Haren, who forged a strong friendship with departed ace Barry Zito over the past couple of seasons, said he's already gotten Zito's stamp of approval on the switch.

"He likes it," Haren said. "It's like he said about his No. 75, it's symmetrical. And 15 kind of is, too."

(Link)

"You're my Sandy Bandaid ♥"

by Kimberly on Feb 16, 2007 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Huston didn't have any qualms...
...about snapping up #20 right away...
I got tired of my last signature. Quick, somebody inspire me.

by Poppy on Feb 16, 2007 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

other blogs are totally ripping us off
making comics:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/story/2007/2/16/41810/8774

interviewing prominent stat nerds:
http://www.gaslampball.com/story/2007/2/14/185823/938

GLB: Here's a question about your competitive nature.

DePodesta: [Laughs]

GLB: I heard from a secret source that when you go miniature golfing...

DePodesta: [Laughing]

GLB: ...Not only do you bring your own putter, but you'll bring a range finder to line up your shots. Is that true or false?

DePodesta: [quickly] Every edge. Every edge that you can find, especially when you have my skill level, is absolutely imperative. Not just mini-golf, but when you have the Front Office Olympics on the line, where mini-golf is one of the events, then it is of paramount importance.

GLB: Is that something real? You have a Front Office Olympics?

DePodesta: [Long pause] I think I'll plead the fifth on that one. [Laughing] I'll put it this way I don't think any of us like to lose.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2007 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

and then there's
this from a Royals blog:
This is just unreal. Looking back through the clippings and notes from these seasons, there's something that really stands out: The Royals (and often Sweeney) always insist Iron Mike is "day to day" or expected to return after a couple of days of rest. Inevitably, "day to day" becomes "placed on the disabled list." How unbelievably frustrating for Sweeney, the Royals and the fans.
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Feb 16, 2007 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

with the A's, though ...
... "inevitably" = "rarely" ...
Astronauts wear diapers during launch and re-entry. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2007 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

And ''day-to-day'' = dead.
I got tired of my last signature. Quick, somebody inspire me.

by Poppy on Feb 16, 2007 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

jason kidd divorce papers
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0110071jasonkidd1.html

wife's response:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0216073kidd1.html

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2007 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

Subject
According to Joumana, 34, Kidd has engaged in extramarital affairs with "several different television reporters," as well as strippers in Arizona, Sacramento, Miami, Dallas and Indiana, a Nets season ticket holder, a Nets employee, and a cheerleader in New Orleans.

Swish, you have a lot of catching up to do.

by mikeA on Feb 16, 2007 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Kidd's all grown up
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Feb 16, 2007 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone know....
if there is GameDay for Spring Training games?
"We got the best of him"

by iloveoakland on Feb 16, 2007 7:33 PM PST reply actions  

If you mean Gameday Audio: yes, there is.
With Robert Buan doing the play-by-play on most weekday games.  Highly, uh, entertaining... if you're entertained by being frustrated to the point of hysteria from not being able to tell what's going on in the game...  ;)

by Poppy on Feb 16, 2007 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

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